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Rellik B00n Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.24 18:48:00 - [1] In the beginning - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - a good while back when i started playing i mined. Yes i actually mined. I also ran missions. As i progressed to bigger ships to mine in i noticed that i could get better ore from low sec. I joined a mining corp and we NAPed some local pirates and mined in their 0.3 system. We has frequent incursions from pirates looking for easy kills which lead one night to me engaging my BC and my corpmates BS against 2 PvP setup ships that we stood no chance of beating (tho must have been lols for them ). That was the end for me. The BS player stopped playing, in all fairness to him i think he couldnt stand the preospect of grinding his way to another BS mining, and i dont blame him. I took the "If you cant beat them join them" route, and so began me killing things. Then - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Fairly quickly I learned the ropes. After dipping my toe in with ore-theft agro I installed JCs that id made from mission running status in 3 regions, Derelik, Heimatar and The Citadel. I would fly around in a caracal or a Ferox engaging anything I could find that wasnt bigger than a BC. When the locals started to do their impression of a wasps nest that has been kicked to the floor I would JC and start all over again. Fun times. I cared not about what ships I lost as long as I could get a replacement. I didnt care about ISK. Low sec was FULL of targets and fellow PvPers. Now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Recently I have noticed something about myself: When I lose a ship I immediately think "oh bugger that will screw my k/d" or "crap i dont want to post that loss thats embarrassing." I PvP less, not just due to a lessening of targets in low sec or even to the fact that I truly hate grinding sec status almost more than mining, or the constant blobs: I PvP less because every time I make some kind of error even if i just want to have fun it sits on my KB mocking me. I would never have learned what I learned if I had been posting on killboards from day one. TLDR - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I started playing EvE because it had a great concept and it was lots of fun. For me killboards have taken a portion of that fun away. I would like to return to just flying around pewing stuff for the sheer hell of it. As such I am seriously considering never posting another kill or loss. If this means I cant stay with my current alliance and corp then that just might have to be so. EvE is often described as a "sandbox game" where you can do whatever you like, I think killboards impact on this. They are an unnecessary constraint for someone like me: I dont care who has more kills than me, or who has more deaths, im here to have fun. I still play call of duty united offensive. I have played so much in fact that I can take on people that would describe themselves as "pros" (you can find me as "Fail" on euro servers), but I dont feel the need to maintain a killboard detailing my K/Ds, I just want to blow things up. The same is true for EvE.
Condecinte	Posted - 2007.11.24 18:55:00 - [2] There will always be people who don't post their losses and skew the killboard stats so why not suggest to your alliance to simply remove the losses section from their killboard? The point of a killboard is to show and boast about victories anyway not losses.
Kenneth McCoy Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.24 18:59:00 - [3] Rellik, there's no reason we can't work something out, I know where your coming from. We won't let you leave. Period :p I'll hit you up ingame when I get home from work tomorrow. My opinions and views are not the official views of my Corp.
Reverend Revelator Elite Storm Enterprises Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.11.24 18:59:00 - [4] I wonder what it is with pirates being such a sad bunch of whiners? Never understood that, they can whine three times more than the entire rest of the game, and for the most inane reasons too... -- Dead People Laugh At The Murder Of Love --
Rellik B00n Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.24 19:03:00 - [5] well inevitable trolling aside its just an opinion. My kills are someone elses loss which is why they dont get a mention. I didnt even get as far as people desperately targeting stuff to get on the KM for their stats. pathetic.
Danae Melios Azteca Transportation Unlimited	Posted - 2007.11.24 19:04:00 - [6] I agree, kb posting requirements is one of the major turnoffs for me in the alliance game. It's nothing short of aggravating to constantly be ordered post to this post to that, post everything or you get kicked/fined/another rant in your inbox. Honestly, I think that for bigger groups killmails are meaningless, it is the loss of systems that means something. Even in the measurement of who did what it is largely ineffectual. I once warp scrambled a Recon in a Badger as bait in a belt allowing a couple smaller ships to pop him. Of course I was popped before he was killed-- so I wasn't on the killmail. All that story meant to others was I was stupidly idling in a belt and was popped by a red. The whole killboard k/d ratio is one of the worst elements of Eve. Kills mean nothing, success means everything. Those with specialized combat skills may never even appear on killmails, but get killed quite a bit themselves because of their support functions that simply don't do direct damage. Originally by: game box Conceive a new life without boundaries, where murder, plunder, betrayal, and delusions of grandeur will lead you to boundless glory or to the brink of ruin.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2007.11.24 19:05:00 - [7] Originally by: Rellik B00n Recently I have noticed something about myself: When I lose a ship I immediately think "oh bugger that will screw my k/d" or "crap i dont want to post that loss thats embarrassing." I PvP less, not just due to a lessening of targets in low sec or even to the fact that I truly hate grinding sec status almost more than mining, or the constant blobs: I PvP less because every time I make some kind of error even if i just want to have fun it sits on my KB mocking me. I would never have learned what I learned if I had been posting on killboards from day one. Quote: For me killboards have taken a portion of that fun away. Sounds to me like your ego is taking the fun away. Just post everything and don't worry about it. Or don't... whatever... But it's not the killboards' fault.
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.11.24 19:12:00 - [8] Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 24/11/2007 19:15:00 Originally by: Rellik B00n stuff Hm, why would you honestly care about such ephemereal stuff as k/d ratio, isk damage dealt, point, w/e. It's not like this stuff is affecting you ingame in anyway. Well, unless you think yourself that these numbers are worth much :) As much as you won't like the answer, the problem is not in killboards themselves.
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.11.24 19:33:00 - [9] i really dont get ppl who moan about k/d ratio... ******* stupid imo. i post what i kill and i post what i loose. example: 500m+ huginn (nano). i jump after a t1 destroyer and start shooting it.... well... got killed by sentrys because i was in low sec... didnt even think once about not posting :P raven.... got killed by a arazu .. raven was faction fitted a lil bit... still posted.. ppl that think about k/d ratio shouldnt post on public kbs, because kbs are nice statistics... if u dont post losses.. then whats the bloody point posting kills at all (yes yes.. epeen and crap... but thats kiddy stuff)
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.11.24 19:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Danae Melios Those with specialized combat skills may never even appear on killmails, but get killed quite a bit themselves because of their support functions that simply don't do direct damage. that described every good alliance dictor pilot :) because that job is pretty much suicide all the time :P you dont gek kms in large engagements or even med size.. you just bubble and die. k/d ratio down the ****ter
J Valkor Blackguard Brigade Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.24 19:51:00 - [11] It reminds you of your **** ups. I can count my losses on one hand, each one stings me. Each taught me a lesson. The kills are fun, but you learn from your losses.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.24 20:10:00 - [12] "They are an unnecessary constraint for someone like me: I dont care who has more kills than me, or who has more deaths" But your whole post as about how much you DO care. Stop posting KMs, stop checking KBs: problem solved! CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.11.24 21:21:00 - [13] Originally by: Malcanis Stop posting KMs, stop checking KBs: problem solved! Sounds about right. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Shiva Piva	Posted - 2007.11.24 21:42:00 - [14] Don't post your kills, don't post your losses. Stupid stats can't say if you had fun or not. Why ruin a perfectly good experience, ok, hopefully good experience (no lag etc) with something as banal as a score.
Scott Petterson The Cry of Mankind	Posted - 2007.11.24 22:31:00 - [15] I guess I don't know what the problem with posting losses is? I mean we all tell people losing ships is part of the game and I know that everyone has lost a ship at one time. I guess whats the big deal?
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.11.24 22:35:00 - [16] Kill mails are bad for the game. They make people act selfishly. Kill mails are good for the game. They enable players to quantify their successes. Necessary evil, I guess. It calls for a redesign imo. Incorporate the damage done statistics into the war dec mechanisms. Remove the personal "score". Keep the game from going down the selfish "me me me" route that DAoC took. Learn from Mythic, CCP. They're a shining turd in the MMO world of what NOT to do. ---- WSSH
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.24 22:50:00 - [17] Killboards are not given us from CCP, in fact they are so much fun that people build them apart from the game and see them as an enrichment to the game. Your problem can be easy solved, if you see where the bad thing really is. It's not in the kb system, it's in your head: you think that a bad k/d is embarassing or kill xy is embarassing, you think it's bad or that you have to etc. so the solution is simple: simply don't think that. Instead think that k/d ratio does not say anything, a true pvp person fights against the odds and have naturally a bad k/d while those with a high to perfect k/d are carebears or people that only fight battels that are 1:3 in their fauvor and run if they face equal numbers. You see what i mean ? If you alter the perception of the system in your head, suddenly the problem disappears, and you can have a lot of fun in pvp again, even with killboards.
Rellik B00n Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.24 22:57:00 - [18] Edited by: Rellik B00n on 24/11/2007 23:00:35 This was posted in a maudlin mood not long after i got up and is how i feel today. Tomoro is another day. That qualifying statement aside heres a bit of feedback: Firstly this: I focused on the loss side of killboards: its difficult to find negatives in your own kills for obvious reasons. As I later posted however if I kill someone then they will be posting a loss somewhere, so the overall topic was largely concerned with the negative impact of killboards. Reem and a couple of other replies made a fair point that ego is factor in this. It is inevitable that this is the case: once you start comparing yourself your ego comes into the mix. Killboards by default compare you to everyone else, so whether you want to compare or not isnt a factor. My stats if it were important are actually ok, but part of my point is that this is not something the devs have ever seem fit to incorporate into EvE. For 5 Years. It strikes me that if they felt this was important there would be a very simple .xml that you could just periodically upload to killboards, but there isnt. As a second point of reply: no, i dont really care that much. I just woke up with the idea in my head that killboards were not good for the game. Rather than make a "NERF TEH KILLBOARDS CCP!" post i thought id try and make something vaguely interesting to read - something this forum seems to be missing a large element of these days but thats another discussion . Even if i didnt post my kills and/or losses someone somewhere would be. By there very existence killboards perpetuate this unhealthy state of affairs. So yes, id much rather that overall statistics were incorporated into any campaign you were involved in. This would allow merc corps etc to provide the same history check for potential clients. As a side effect it would also take the individual out of the mix and give an overall corporate/alliance view. To my mind this would be a good thing. Im old enough to know that not everyone in the world will agree with any given opinion i have - thats the way the world is. I also know that these forums are sometimes lacking in the ability to have any sort of real discussion about an issue. That said i was interested to know when i posted how other people felt about the subject i posted and I have been pleasantly surprised by the quality of the replies. Those that have taken the time so far thank you for your input.
Kakita J Placid Reborn Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.11.24 23:00:00 - [19] Originally by: Danae Melios The whole killboard k/d ratio is one of the worst elements of Eve. Well, technically speaking it's a part of Eve's community. To everybody who feels bothered by it I can only say, don't do it, join a corp of laid back people who couldn't care less about killboards. They'll soon be just about completely obsolete anyway, with the killmail system being upgraded... then they'll be a part of your character screen, but you can just not look at it, and all is well. -------------------------------------- "They better fix the bleep bleep bleep jump bleep gates before I bleepbleepbleep and then some."
Quintano	Posted - 2007.11.25 07:41:00 - [20] I've thought for a long time that killboards are partly responsible for the blob mentality. Everyone wants to improve their killboard stats so we only find people willing to fight if numbers are stacked in their favor or if they are guaranteed of winning the fight. The number of pilots and gangs that fight out numbered relying on skill are getting fewer, and they are the ones that deserve respect, not the pilots or gangs with the best stats on their killboards.
Mallikan Gallente Crimson Shadows Crimson Empire.	Posted - 2007.11.25 08:08:00 - [21] Wow.. some of you guys/gals (lol) sound like you need to find a more friendly Alliance. Demands? Fines? Rants in your inbox? MADNESS! --- lol.. I messed up.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.25 08:14:00 - [22] I know what you mean. In my opinion we should do away with killboards entirely because they affect peoples mindsets in combat. From putting one gun on 7 targets to running to keep a good ratio. I myself have never been concerned with my ratio, died nearly 100 times i think ( too tired to check atm ) . I would rather die in an epic battle than live in a crap battle, anyday of the week. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdd74kLxgGo
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2007.11.25 08:17:00 - [23] The solution ive got is to log on my filthy forum alt and go rifter people in a suicidal charge... If you stop training your main char for a few days and get all the basic gear for t1 fit t1 cruiser and a nice little alt corp then it can be a lot of fun with corp mates alts joining the fun
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.11.25 10:22:00 - [24] The problem is not killboards, the problem is that ppl are obsessed with looking 1337 gankers. That K/D ratio that they want to keep as high as possible. Sometimes it gets to the extremes, activating 1 gun on 7 targets, deactivating all guns in the middle of a fight and giving a burst when target is about to die, running when there's a chance of losing. The problem is in people's heads. I personally don't care about K/D, I've lost a lot of ships and I don't care. And killboards provide a lot of useful information too: what's the setup of the gang, what are the fittings of dead ship, what is going on and where. Killboards are not a problem, egos are. Press alt+F4 to reduce lag
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.11.25 10:55:00 - [25] Originally by: Kakita J Originally by: Danae Melios The whole killboard k/d ratio is one of the worst elements of Eve. Well, technically speaking it's a part of Eve's community. To everybody who feels bothered by it I can only say, don't do it, join a corp of laid back people who couldn't care less about killboards. They'll soon be just about completely obsolete anyway, with the killmail system being upgraded... then they'll be a part of your character screen, but you can just not look at it, and all is well. There are suspicions creeping around that the new killmail system will eventually get tied into the EVE API, which means killboards will be able to more efficiently cull information than ever - no more fake killmails, no more "post your kills AND your losses", etc., etc. I'm looking forward to it, personally. Killboards are a valuable tool to track points of success and failure - so long as they're fairly accurate, you get a pretty good idea of what your people are doing right and what they need to improve. Honestly, people posting losses is a lot more important than slapping up their kills...losses show how you've screwed up, and by bringing those to light you can go about working out the wrinkles. That's a hell of a lot more important than flaunting pwnage, really. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
squall321 Gallente Blackguard Brigade Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:01:00 - [26] Another factor also with this game is that some alliances/corps, require you to show them a link to your killboard stats in order to join... i find that very stupid. be glad you have people willing to join your alliance/corp. the whole K/D thing is annoying. I would also agree that killboards are just for ego boosting really for the top guys of each alliance. it shows that they are out there alot just ganking whatever. getting that K/D perfect...where as i couldnt care less. but i have to post mine. shame really :) -squall -----------
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:02:00 - [27] I love killboards. Killmail cheaters should be shot. May the power of the killboard guide you. Ya rly. Kthxbai.
Rilder Caldari THC LTD	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:07:00 - [28] I don't understand, why can't you just join a corp that doesn't have a killboard, THC went without a killboard for like 6+ months before we broke down and got ours.
Calvin Caltrain Gallente Exordium Mining Contingent	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:41:00 - [29] Kill mails and Killboards are something that get my back up! I view any kill as a private transaction between two players. I delete any killmail that enters my mailbox the instant it appears without even opening it, and will not post on any board. I don't need to boast about a kill or whine about a loss - It is part of the game!! null
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.25 11:51:00 - [30] OP thats a long post. Is it so long coz you could not bring yourself to say: "I dont like admitting i failed" Either way, lie as much as you like to yourself and your corpmates. Your death will be recorded on another killboard. All that it means is your own killboard will be meaningless. - - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.25 15:32:00 - [31] Oh, don't worry, soon killboard will integrate with EVE-API and auto-upload your killmails to the killboard you sign up for C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.25 17:01:00 - [32] Killboards do kind of have some bad side effects that I also don't really care for. Best advice for you would be to just not be so OCD about it and just not give a crap. "If it feels good, it is good."
Shaemell Buttleson Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.11.25 19:23:00 - [33] There is a pilot in our alliance who has helped set up loads of kills but never really apears on them. He was as effective with scanprobes with the old rules as most ppl are with the newer method of usuing them which lets face it is a doddle now. He never seemed to care too much if he was on the mail though as the end result was the important thing to him. Now in the complete opposite of this another member of our alliance (previouse alliance) used to stick 8 different guns on 8 different targets no matter what was happening or how important it was to nail the primary and frankly that sucks. KM's were more important to him or specificaly being high up in the KB was most important. I like KB's as if they are used correctly it gives an indication of how well your corp is doing etc but unfortunatly human nature will allways make some ppl either cheat with them or become so obbsessed by them that the board itself is more important than the game itself! snip Do not use your signature to troll or insult other EVE players snip - I somehow doubt Rauth put that :) Cortes -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Garborg Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.25 19:27:00 - [34] I don't see anything wrong with making kills public and loses private.
Skraeling Shortbus Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.25 19:38:00 - [35] I like how subs during wars kept track of tonnage sunk, I like doing the same. If this bugs you so much, don't post your kills or losses... problem solved! Love to the Assault Frigate!
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.11.25 19:53:00 - [36] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 25/11/2007 19:54:53 With killboards as anything else there's always some people that can't handle them. Myself I see them as reminders of fights past, visual aid for telling tall tales, nothing more. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
6Bagheera9 Slacker Industries	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:41:00 - [37] I've just never let KB stats get to me. I only really get upset when I die because I did something stupid. After all gate-camps happen and it is a badge of honor to go down in a blaze of glory in a real battle. Plus every death teaches you something new about pvp and makes you that much better. I've known more than a few people who started out loosing at least a cruiser day while purposefully looking for fights solo. This went on for months, but before too long they started killing people before they went down and eventually clearing house and coming back in one piece. Its not important what it took for you to become a good pvper, only that you are one now. I think that the best thing you could do right now is to fit out a T1 cruiser and go pick a fight that you have no hope of winning (Not Concord!) and just get this K/D ratio anxiety bs out of your system.
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition Drunken N Disorderly	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:50:00 - [38] Edited by: Feng Schui on 25/11/2007 20:50:57 Originally by: Roy Batty68 Kill mails are bad for the game. They make people act selfishly. Kill mails are good for the game. They enable players to quantify their successes. Necessary evil, I guess. It calls for a redesign imo. Incorporate the damage done statistics into the war dec mechanisms. Remove the personal "score". Keep the game from going down the selfish "me me me" route that DAoC took. Learn from Mythic, CCP. They're a shining turd in the MMO world of what NOT to do. QFT. Why is it that the NOS nerf reminds me so much of the Left Axe nerf when it came to berserkers (dominix) and shadowblades (pilgrim) edit: I wonder if Mackey is working for the ccp dev team these days
Deathifier Minmatar Carebears Must Die Ltd.	Posted - 2007.11.25 21:42:00 - [39] Yeah I must say it amuses me no end, espcially when flame wars start up on the forums because he/she didn't post a killmail on their board, so their opponents spend ages searching the internet for other killboards to find killmails to show them up. These stats obsessed whackos really need to get a life, Nexa cough .....
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.25 23:42:00 - [40] Well, I do believe that most killboards will probably start harvesting your kill/death info directly from your player info in the near future. So rejoice, soon you'll never have to post one again... or even look at your corps killboard if you prefer not to. Warning: This will not prevent people from mocking you about embarrasing losses in local however.
Arshes Nei Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.11.26 15:35:00 - [41] Edited by: Arshes Nei on 26/11/2007 15:37:20 I see where the op is coming from. I find myself aswell worrying about appearance on killboards, cause admit it or not, your setups and losses not only reflect back on yourself, but also on your corp. For example i dont let the enemy pod me, instead i warp off and selfdestruct my capsule, and i see many people doing the same. You dont want to give your enemy kills, even if they are inconsequential like noobships or pods i want destroyed anyway. Yet i know this is due to a failure of my own mindset not the killboards purpose. Maybe i take this k/d thingy a bit to serious, then again internet spaceships are a serious buisness . P.S. Also i dont like my corpses being left in places where people can find them ... you never know what they do with it .
Lord Zoran Caldari CrAzyF1sTs	Posted - 2007.11.26 16:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 25/11/2007 19:54:53 With killboards as anything else there's always some people that can't handle them. Myself I see them as reminders of fights past, visual aid for telling tall tales, nothing more. yup thats what i use them for, sometimes i just browse the killboard and it turns up some very interesting fights whether i lost or won --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! Yarr!?!?!?!?!
Nicoli Voldkif Caelli-Merced INC. Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2007.11.26 16:32:00 - [43] Personally the K/D ratio is worth less to me... The real use for a kill board is Intel. Whether or not you have a high K/D ratio is worthless compared to me knowing if out of the past 20 engagements they fielded 90% Amarr ships. That gives me a leg up on the opponents because that means my EWAR birds fly double or tripled up on Amarr racials. Is it nice to have a great K/D ratio sure. But the kill board can provide a lot of useful information if you know how to use it. -----------------------------------------------
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.11.26 18:40:00 - [44] A well-run killboard is like any other information resource. Many people look at the front page, say "yay me", and close the browser. If you really dig deep and analyze the information that is there, you can uncover alot of information. Do roaming gangs visit your space at regular intervals? Are your pilots losing ships in a particular choke point? Do you have pilots running around low-sec on the other side of the map? What ships/modules are used the most? Farham: "Remember, sometimes evolution ends in extinction."
Jinn Eleuter BALKAN EXPRESS	Posted - 2007.11.26 19:04:00 - [45] Edited by: Jinn Eleuter on 26/11/2007 19:06:06 I got to remind you about your gloating in CAOD, where you gloat about K/D stats in VHI vs. VGL war. You were flaming delta for rook losses etc. Now your banner is very oksimoronicly looking in that post. CAOD gloat thread Nothing personal , but when i read what you wrote here i had to remind you.
Stuart Price Caldari Havoc Inc	Posted - 2007.11.26 20:28:00 - [46] Depends what you read from your killboard. I use ours to pinpoint which systems see action, which ones we meet heavy resistance in and to gain a feel for what ships are most effective at given times in given areas. My k/d ratio is pretty good but considering a huge majority of those kills were part of a gang and usually very unfair fights I don't take it as a measure of my skill. I actually learn more from my lossmails, which are always posted. Even the dumb ones where I lose interceptors by jumping into high-sec That said it's always damn funny to look at killmails where people have taken on insane odds and won (sleipnir against EIGHT cruisers/battleships/HAC's or, perhaps more insanely, Incurses against Hyperion), or where we've had a decisive victory in what started as a pretty equal fight. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.11.27 06:39:00 - [47] Originally by: Deathifier Yeah I must say it amuses me no end, espcially when flame wars start up on the forums because he/she didn't post a killmail on their board, so their opponents spend ages searching the internet for other killboards to find killmails to show them up. These stats obsessed whackos really need to get a life, Nexa cough ..... I don't care if they post them or not. It's when they sit and brag they have no losses then brag that they always post their losses but they just haven't had any. Then I start digging.
Jennai The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.27 06:51:00 - [48] Originally by: squall321 Another factor also with this game is that some alliances/corps, require you to show them a link to your killboard stats in order to join... i find that very stupid. be glad you have people willing to join your alliance/corp. the whole K/D thing is annoying. I would also agree that killboards are just for ego boosting really for the top guys of each alliance. it shows that they are out there alot just ganking whatever. getting that K/D perfect...where as i couldnt care less. but i have to post mine. shame really :) that's an easy way to weed out blatant isk farmers - they have no kills and lots of deaths in ratting-fitted ships. alliance kbs also let leadership see if their corps are participating in pvp without having to take attendance on ops.
Rellik B00n Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.27 08:12:00 - [49] Originally by: Jinn Eleuter Edited by: Jinn Eleuter on 26/11/2007 19:06:06 I got to remind you about your gloating in CAOD, where you gloat about K/D stats in VHI vs. VGL war. You were flaming delta for rook losses etc. Now your banner is very oksimoronicly looking in that post. CAOD gloat thread Nothing personal , but when i read what you wrote here i had to remind you. This is true Jinn. That was 6 months ago however, and even a couple of days after i got all emo and posted this I still feel the underlying truth of it: Killboards produce a lot of negatives within the game for me.
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.11.27 10:28:00 - [50] Originally by: squall321 Another factor also with this game is that some alliances/corps, require you to show them a link to your killboard stats in order to join... i find that very stupid. be glad you have people willing to join your alliance/corp. the whole K/D thing is annoying. I would also agree that killboards are just for ego boosting really for the top guys of each alliance. it shows that they are out there alot just ganking whatever. getting that K/D perfect...where as i couldnt care less. but i have to post mine. shame really :) -squall The reason for this is to: a) Show that you are a capable PvPer, registered kills are as good as proof that you are what you say you are as you are likely to come by. b) See that your fittings are reasonable. I wouldn't recruit someone who just copied whatever garbage was spewed on EVE-TV for example.. c) To see how much you play, and at what times. Killboards show you exactly when someone plays, and that is very important when building a strong team. d) To see what kind of PvPer you really are, someone can say they have 200 registered kills in X ship, but what did they kill? Shuttles or other X ships? With friends or solo.. So you see, the problem is with the players, not the killboards. The killboards are a solution for a lot of things EVE currently lacks. Also, if it's that much of a problem, join a laid back corp that doesn't care what you kill/lose.. they do exist.
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.11.27 10:30:00 - [51] Originally by: Rellik B00n Killboards produce a lot of negatives within the game for me because I joined a corporation that cares too much about appearances. Fixed.
Rellik B00n Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.30 15:00:00 - [52] Edited by: Rellik B00n on 30/11/2007 15:01:57 Originally by: Awox Originally by: Rellik B00n Killboards produce a lot of negatives within the game for me because I joined a corporation that cares too much about appearances. Fixed. If you had any idea what you were talking about id be happy to let a fix stand. This reply is just flamebait which im happy to say i wont be rising to, nor I imagine will the rest of my corp. suffice to say its not my alliance that cares, its me. edit: also read your checklist above. seriously, read it.
Zeonos Amarr Fairtrade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.30 15:24:00 - [53] solution. killboard that uses a form of API, not sure if you can get that sort of info, now that kill mails aren't mails, if you cant, i hope CCP make it possible in a near futur. Look I Hijacked a sig!! -Kaemonn <3 Kaemonn -Zeonos A sunset with Kaemonn... how nice... -Wachtmeister In Eve-Online Forum Hijack Signature! -Ivan K This space is reserved for moderator hijacking, Need more colors! Red & Yellow & Pink & Green, Orange & Purple & ME! - Deckard My yellow pwns Deckard's fruity rainbow thingie anyday. BRING IT BABY! -Hango Black and pink 4tw however gold pwns -Eldo
Lord DeFault Minmatar Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.11.30 15:52:00 - [54] Edited by: Lord DeFault on 30/11/2007 15:55:00 It's always bait n Blob. Fair enough it's a tactic. What (&^&^%$ me off. Is most of eve will not encage unless it's heroically unfair fight. It's boring. I take little pleasure in ganking something senseless. personally I love up to 5v1's. Many alliance won't take you unless you have an "80% ratio". Now.. If that many people in EVE Alliances could really do such things. I'd love to know who there shooting lol Random newbs? .. thatÆs no fun.. "I killed a dominix" No you blobed it in a inty gank. KB's are gravely inaccurate. if I pop a BS 1v1, I get the same points as capt'n 50v1. An insured t2 fitted BS costs me 30mill per loss. Killborads seem to think I lose much more... And a BS loss is looked down on.. Even though an AF costs just as much. People are scared to field capital ships throw fear of being posted on a KB. People judge alliances by cap loses? not what they kill with them lol Alliance warfare is boring. You oftern banned from taking BC's and BS's out. Cos there tooowo slow? I'm here to fight man! They want nano gank something then run away style.... There real use? getting ship intel and fittings! :p Sad it's changed EVE culture. I Allways wanted to kill piwats as a newb. Now I have the SP..there gone :( For the Republic
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:25:00 - [55] So let me get this straight: The OP is a low-sec piewrat who isn't good enough to maintain a decent kill/death ratio, and now wants us to hug him and make him feel all better about the fact that his victims occasionally kill him? Therefore he wants to be 'forgiven' for not posting his losses?
Alz Shado Ever Flow DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:35:00 - [56] Killboards also serve a key function for alliances: intelligence gathering. Anything from an enemy pilot's fitting to their choice of ship to their most active systems, it's there for the alliance. And post your deaths, too. Does a particular strategy seem to be failing? Maybe you have too many tanks against one type of damage that the enemy is exploiting. It shows hot spots for camps and ganks. Killboards are not personal e-peen yardsticks. They're to report to your alliance mates what and where something happened. So what if your K/D ratio sucks. It's just more intelligence for your team in the long run.
Pitt Bull Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.30 17:41:00 - [57] In responce to the title: Stop dying.
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.11.30 20:12:00 - [58] kill boards are great iv'e always been a supporter of them . now there will always be guys who mess around and multi target to get as much mail as possible but for me it's more important to be on the top of the mail then just another name on it . but honestly post your losses if you only post kills but no losses thats weak . besides killboards make great story telling material . like , remeber the time when that guy autopiloted into pf- from orvolle in a domi , yeah for his whole 15km approach i was saying holy SH*T your not going to beleive this LAWL or the time that guy was bragging in local about his zealot being uber and then ... good times signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) why dont you just tell me ?

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