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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.11.25 15:32:00 -
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Oh, don't worry, soon killboard will integrate with EVE-API and auto-upload your killmails to the killboard you sign up for C|S|I|N|x. |
Bein Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.25 17:01:00 -
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Killboards do kind of have some bad side effects that I also don't really care for. Best advice for you would be to just not be so OCD about it and just not give a crap.
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Shaemell Buttleson
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.11.25 19:23:00 -
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There is a pilot in our alliance who has helped set up loads of kills but never really apears on them. He was as effective with scanprobes with the old rules as most ppl are with the newer method of usuing them which lets face it is a doddle now. He never seemed to care too much if he was on the mail though as the end result was the important thing to him.
Now in the complete opposite of this another member of our alliance (previouse alliance) used to stick 8 different guns on 8 different targets no matter what was happening or how important it was to nail the primary and frankly that sucks. KM's were more important to him or specificaly being high up in the KB was most important.
I like KB's as if they are used correctly it gives an indication of how well your corp is doing etc but unfortunatly human nature will allways make some ppl either cheat with them or become so obbsessed by them that the board itself is more important than the game itself!
*snip* Do not use your signature to troll or insult other EVE players *snip - I somehow doubt Rauth put that :) Cortes* -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) |
Garborg
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.25 19:27:00 -
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I don't see anything wrong with making kills public and loses private.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.11.25 19:38:00 -
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I like how subs during wars kept track of tonnage sunk, I like doing the same.
If this bugs you so much, don't post your kills or losses... problem solved!
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.11.25 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 25/11/2007 19:54:53
With killboards as anything else there's always some people that can't handle them.
Myself I see them as reminders of fights past, visual aid for telling tall tales, nothing more.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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6Bagheera9
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.25 20:41:00 -
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I've just never let KB stats get to me. I only really get upset when I die because I did something stupid. After all gate-camps happen and it is a badge of honor to go down in a blaze of glory in a real battle. Plus every death teaches you something new about pvp and makes you that much better. I've known more than a few people who started out loosing at least a cruiser day while purposefully looking for fights solo. This went on for months, but before too long they started killing people before they went down and eventually clearing house and coming back in one piece. Its not important what it took for you to become a good pvper, only that you are one now. I think that the best thing you could do right now is to fit out a T1 cruiser and go pick a fight that you have no hope of winning (Not Concord!) and just get this K/D ratio anxiety bs out of your system.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar The Ninja Coalition Drunken N Disorderly
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Posted - 2007.11.25 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Feng Schui on 25/11/2007 20:50:57
Originally by: Roy Batty68 Kill mails are bad for the game. They make people act selfishly.
Kill mails are good for the game. They enable players to quantify their successes.
Necessary evil, I guess.
It calls for a redesign imo. Incorporate the damage done statistics into the war dec mechanisms. Remove the personal "score". Keep the game from going down the selfish "me me me" route that DAoC took.
Learn from Mythic, CCP. They're a shining turd in the MMO world of what NOT to do.
QFT. Why is it that the NOS nerf reminds me so much of the Left Axe nerf when it came to berserkers (dominix) and shadowblades (pilgrim)
edit: I wonder if Mackey is working for the ccp dev team these days
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Deathifier
Minmatar Carebears Must Die Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.11.25 21:42:00 -
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Yeah I must say it amuses me no end, espcially when flame wars start up on the forums because he/she didn't post a killmail on their board, so their opponents spend ages searching the internet for other killboards to find killmails to show them up. These stats obsessed whackos really need to get a life, Nexa *cough* .....
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Ranger 1
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.11.25 23:42:00 -
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Well, I do believe that most killboards will probably start harvesting your kill/death info directly from your player info in the near future.
So rejoice, soon you'll never have to post one again... or even look at your corps killboard if you prefer not to.
Warning: This will not prevent people from mocking you about embarrasing losses in local however.
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Arshes Nei
Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.11.26 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Arshes Nei on 26/11/2007 15:37:20 I see where the op is coming from. I find myself aswell worrying about appearance on killboards, cause admit it or not, your setups and losses not only reflect back on yourself, but also on your corp. For example i dont let the enemy pod me, instead i warp off and selfdestruct my capsule, and i see many people doing the same. You dont want to give your enemy kills, even if they are inconsequential like noobships or pods i want destroyed anyway.
Yet i know this is due to a failure of my own mindset not the killboards purpose. Maybe i take this k/d thingy a bit to serious, then again internet spaceships are a serious buisness .
P.S. Also i dont like my corpses being left in places where people can find them ... you never know what they do with it .
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Lord Zoran
Caldari CrAzyF1sTs
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Posted - 2007.11.26 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 25/11/2007 19:54:53
With killboards as anything else there's always some people that can't handle them.
Myself I see them as reminders of fights past, visual aid for telling tall tales, nothing more.
yup thats what i use them for, sometimes i just browse the killboard and it turns up some very interesting fights whether i lost or won
--------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! Yarr!?!?!?!?!
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Nicoli Voldkif
Caelli-Merced INC. Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2007.11.26 16:32:00 -
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Personally the K/D ratio is worth less to me... The real use for a kill board is Intel. Whether or not you have a high K/D ratio is worthless compared to me knowing if out of the past 20 engagements they fielded 90% Amarr ships. That gives me a leg up on the opponents because that means my EWAR birds fly double or tripled up on Amarr racials. Is it nice to have a great K/D ratio sure. But the kill board can provide a lot of useful information if you know how to use it. -----------------------------------------------
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.26 18:40:00 -
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A well-run killboard is like any other information resource. Many people look at the front page, say "yay me", and close the browser. If you really dig deep and analyze the information that is there, you can uncover alot of information. Do roaming gangs visit your space at regular intervals? Are your pilots losing ships in a particular choke point? Do you have pilots running around low-sec on the other side of the map? What ships/modules are used the most?
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Jinn Eleuter
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2007.11.26 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Jinn Eleuter on 26/11/2007 19:06:06 I got to remind you about your gloating in CAOD, where you gloat about K/D stats in VHI vs. VGL war. You were flaming delta for rook losses etc. Now your banner is very oksimoronicly looking in that post.
CAOD gloat thread
Nothing personal , but when i read what you wrote here i had to remind you.
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Stuart Price
Caldari Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2007.11.26 20:28:00 -
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Depends what you read from your killboard.
I use ours to pinpoint which systems see action, which ones we meet heavy resistance in and to gain a feel for what ships are most effective at given times in given areas.
My k/d ratio is pretty good but considering a huge majority of those kills were part of a gang and usually very unfair fights I don't take it as a measure of my skill. I actually learn more from my lossmails, which are always posted. Even the dumb ones where I lose interceptors by jumping into high-sec
That said it's always damn funny to look at killmails where people have taken on insane odds and won (sleipnir against EIGHT cruisers/battleships/HAC's or, perhaps more insanely, Incurses against Hyperion), or where we've had a decisive victory in what started as a pretty equal fight. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier" |
Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.11.27 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Deathifier Yeah I must say it amuses me no end, espcially when flame wars start up on the forums because he/she didn't post a killmail on their board, so their opponents spend ages searching the internet for other killboards to find killmails to show them up. These stats obsessed whackos really need to get a life, Nexa *cough* .....
I don't care if they post them or not. It's when they sit and brag they have no losses then brag that they always post their losses but they just haven't had any. Then I start digging.
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Jennai
The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.27 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: squall321 Another factor also with this game is that some alliances/corps, require you to show them a link to your killboard stats in order to join... i find that very stupid. be glad you have people willing to join your alliance/corp. the whole K/D thing is annoying. I would also agree that killboards are just for ego boosting really for the top guys of each alliance. it shows that they are out there alot just ganking whatever. getting that K/D perfect...where as i couldnt care less. but i have to post mine. shame really :)
that's an easy way to weed out blatant isk farmers - they have no kills and lots of deaths in ratting-fitted ships.
alliance kbs also let leadership see if their corps are participating in pvp without having to take attendance on ops.
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Rellik B00n
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.27 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jinn Eleuter Edited by: Jinn Eleuter on 26/11/2007 19:06:06 I got to remind you about your gloating in CAOD, where you gloat about K/D stats in VHI vs. VGL war. You were flaming delta for rook losses etc. Now your banner is very oksimoronicly looking in that post.
CAOD gloat thread
Nothing personal , but when i read what you wrote here i had to remind you.
This is true Jinn.
That was 6 months ago however, and even a couple of days after i got all emo and posted this I still feel the underlying truth of it:
Killboards produce a lot of negatives within the game for me.
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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.11.27 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: squall321 Another factor also with this game is that some alliances/corps, require you to show them a link to your killboard stats in order to join... i find that very stupid. be glad you have people willing to join your alliance/corp. the whole K/D thing is annoying. I would also agree that killboards are just for ego boosting really for the top guys of each alliance. it shows that they are out there alot just ganking whatever. getting that K/D perfect...where as i couldnt care less. but i have to post mine. shame really :)
-squall
The reason for this is to:
a) Show that you are a capable PvPer, registered kills are as good as proof that you are what you say you are as you are likely to come by.
b) See that your fittings are reasonable. I wouldn't recruit someone who just copied whatever garbage was spewed on EVE-TV for example..
c) To see how much you play, and at what times. Killboards show you exactly when someone plays, and that is very important when building a strong team.
d) To see what kind of PvPer you really are, someone can say they have 200 registered kills in X ship, but what did they kill? Shuttles or other X ships? With friends or solo..
So you see, the problem is with the players, not the killboards. The killboards are a solution for a lot of things EVE currently lacks.
Also, if it's that much of a problem, join a laid back corp that doesn't care what you kill/lose.. they do exist.
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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.11.27 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rellik B00n Killboards produce a lot of negatives within the game for me because I joined a corporation that cares too much about appearances.
Fixed.
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Rellik B00n
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.30 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Rellik B00n on 30/11/2007 15:01:57
Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Rellik B00n Killboards produce a lot of negatives within the game for me because I joined a corporation that cares too much about appearances.
Fixed.
If you had any idea what you were talking about id be happy to let a fix stand. This reply is just flamebait which im happy to say i wont be rising to, nor I imagine will the rest of my corp.
suffice to say its not my alliance that cares, its me.
edit: also read your checklist above. seriously, read it.
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Zeonos
Amarr Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.30 15:24:00 -
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solution. killboard that uses a form of API, not sure if you can get that sort of info, now that kill mails aren't mails, if you cant, i hope CCP make it possible in a near futur.
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Lord DeFault
Minmatar Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.11.30 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Lord DeFault on 30/11/2007 15:55:00 It's always bait n Blob. Fair enough it's a tactic.
What (&^&^%$ me off. Is most of eve will not encage unless it's heroically unfair fight.
It's boring. I take little pleasure in ganking something senseless. personally I love up to 5v1's.
Many alliance won't take you unless you have an "80% ratio". Now.. If that many people in EVE Alliances could really do such things. I'd love to know who there shooting lol Random newbs? .. thatĘs no fun..
"I killed a dominix" No you blobed it in a inty gank.
KB's are gravely inaccurate. if I pop a BS 1v1, I get the same points as capt'n 50v1.
An insured t2 fitted BS costs me 30mill per loss. Killborads seem to think I lose much more... And a BS loss is looked down on.. Even though an AF costs just as much.
People are scared to field capital ships throw fear of being posted on a KB. People judge alliances by cap loses? not what they kill with them lol
Alliance warfare is boring. You oftern banned from taking BC's and BS's out. Cos there tooowo slow? I'm here to fight man! They want nano gank something then run away style....
There real use? getting ship intel and fittings! :p Sad it's changed EVE culture. I Allways wanted to kill piwats as a newb. Now I have the SP..there gone :(
For the Republic
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.30 16:25:00 -
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So let me get this straight: The OP is a low-sec piewrat who isn't good enough to maintain a decent kill/death ratio, and now wants us to hug him and make him feel all better about the fact that his victims occasionally kill him? Therefore he wants to be 'forgiven' for not posting his losses?
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.11.30 17:35:00 -
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Killboards also serve a key function for alliances: intelligence gathering. Anything from an enemy pilot's fitting to their choice of ship to their most active systems, it's there for the alliance.
And post your deaths, too. Does a particular strategy seem to be failing? Maybe you have too many tanks against one type of damage that the enemy is exploiting. It shows hot spots for camps and ganks.
Killboards are not personal e-peen yardsticks. They're to report to your alliance mates what and where something happened. So what if your K/D ratio sucks. It's just more intelligence for your team in the long run.
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Pitt Bull
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.30 17:41:00 -
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In responce to the title: Stop dying.
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prathe
Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.11.30 20:12:00 -
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kill boards are great iv'e always been a supporter of them .
now there will always be guys who mess around and multi target to get as much mail as possible but for me it's more important to be on the top of the mail then just another name on it . but honestly post your losses if you only post kills but no losses thats weak . besides killboards make great story telling material . like , remeber the time when that guy autopiloted into pf- from orvolle in a domi , yeah for his whole 15km approach i was saying holy SH*T your not going to beleive this LAWL or the time that guy was bragging in local about his zealot being uber and then ... good times signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
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