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Sadako Yuji
Encom Mining Co.
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Posted - 2012.02.01 00:14:00 -
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So I'm inspired to flex the old writing muscles and shell out a story at least partially in the cannon of EvE. However, I need to know (or at least have a decent guess) what the average population of any given system would be. Now to be clear I don't mean player base. What I mean is, how many human beings would be living in any given system? Given that there seem to be habitable worlds as well as moon bases and star bases combined with immortality available to virtually everyone, I can't even muster a guess. Any information or calculated guesses on this subject is greatly appreciated.
Thank you. Fly safe.
~Sadako~
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Lucius Vindictus
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.02.01 01:48:00 -
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Good question. I'm not sure how literal we are supposed to take it, but one of the chronicles mentioned that the Gallente federation alone is populated by "trillions" of people. That's quite a lot of people! On the other hand I've read news reports about the slave emancipation in the Empire where slaves are measured only in mere "millions". Given that the empire is supposedly more populous than the federation that doesn't seem consistent.
Personally I prefer the idea of huge populations, even if it's only to justify the huge amounts of ship losses suffered every day without apparent stress on the empires. Many of those ships containing multiple thousand crew each. |
Kiran
Knights of Azrael The Azrael Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:01:00 -
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A few years ago each world had a population stat in the show info unfortuantly it has been removed with recent updates.
At a guess I would say for Empire controlled space for each Terran and Oceananic world will be about the same as Earth is today.
Space stations are like cities in space so take New York population or London.
As for low sec and null sec it can be a bit random due to small settlements and remote outposts. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:42:00 -
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Several trillion for both the Amarr Empire and the Gallente Federation. A couple/few trillion for Minmatar Republic (but more Minmatar outside of Republic than in it)
Hundreds of billion for Caldari.
Highsec worlds with city lights on it could be in the billions (fly to the dark side or try to view it in planetview). Worlds without city lights probably in the millions (couple million widely dispersed on lowsec worlds)
Space stations in the hundreds of thousands. Seyllin I (former barren world) had a subterranean population of 500 million, however. |
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CCP Abraxas
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.06 13:23:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Several trillion for both the Amarr Empire and the Gallente Federation. A couple/few trillion for Minmatar Republic (but more Minmatar outside of Republic than in it)
Hundreds of billion for Caldari.
Highsec worlds with city lights on it could be in the billions (fly to the dark side or try to view it in planetview). Worlds without city lights probably in the millions (couple million widely dispersed on lowsec worlds)
Space stations in the hundreds of thousands. Seyllin I (former barren world) had a subterranean population of 500 million, however. Anyone feel like giving me cites for these? We may do something with population numbers as part of the Immersion Project. |
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2012.02.06 14:04:00 -
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http://freebooted.blogspot.com.au/2010/09/new-eden-is-saved.html A High Sec Manifesto |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2012.02.06 14:17:00 -
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CCP Abraxas wrote:Anyone feel like giving me cites for these? We may do something with population numbers as part of the Immersion Project. Great, in my quest of finding a place of birth, I was severely challenged by the fact that I could not tell which planets are inhabited. I was/am fearful I will eventually have to retcon my background because some fiction comes out that classifies my birthplace as uninhabited.
I guess you could call this a request to return population numbers to 'Show Info' on planets/moons etc. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.02.06 15:03:00 -
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CCP Abraxas wrote:Anyone feel like giving me cites for these? We may do something with population numbers as part of the Immersion Project.
Citations? I just pulled it out of thin air :D
No, but seriously, in an effort to be less lazy...
Nearly 2.8 trillion citizens voted in the election, by far the highest turnout in the history of Gallentean democracy. http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1296&tid=4
Assuming 60% of the population can vote, taking age and franchise considerations into account. Then assume 60% actually voted (bit of a conservative number)...that puts the GalFed's population at 7.8 trillion minimum (rounded to one decimal place)
Then consider the Amarr Empire is bigger, the Caldari State T_T about being too small...and also this little gem posted on Backstage by Kaito
http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=1642.msg20612#msg20612
In that case, he ignored non-voters. From the 7.8 trillion figure, one-third of the Federation is apparently Minmatar, so that's 2.6 trillion. One-fifth of the Minmatar in total reside in the Federation, so that's 13 trillion Minmatar in total. But only one quarter of them are in the Republic, so that's 3.25 trillion in the Republic...so...
Population of GalFed: 7.8 trillion Population of Minmatar Republic: 3.25 trillion Number of ethnic Minmatar overall: 13 trillion.
p.s. 60% of population being of voter age is going to be the most accurate percentile in the above case, looking at RL demographics. The 60% turnout may just be 80% instead...depending on what CCP says |
Mirajane Cromwell
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Posted - 2012.02.06 15:18:00 -
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The number of babies born each year must be at least the same or higher than the amount of deaths on planets, in stations, in npc ships and in capsuleer ships or otherwise the population would not grow at all.
Ships' crew guidelines can be used to calculate an estimation for crew deaths per year if we know how many each type npc/capsuleer ships are destroyed yearly. I bet that's going to be some huge number...
Then estimate how many deaths happen on all habitated planets and in all stations yearly - sum everything up to get the number of babies needed for positive population growth per year. Then just multiply that number by 100 years (or whatever the maximum expected lifetime is) to get the total population... the actual number will be even higher if there's any positive population growth. |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.02.06 15:20:00 -
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation |
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CCP Abraxas
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.06 15:59:00 -
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Mirajane Cromwell wrote:The number of babies born each year must be at least the same or higher than the amount of deaths on planets, in stations, in npc ships and in capsuleer ships or otherwise the population would not grow at all. Those survivors' rates, I, uh ...
Let's try to leave assumed ship deaths out of the equation of total New Eden population numbers if we can. I'd rather that they didn't affect the total pop. at all, and if they actually do, I am going to sit in a room with some people and shout at them until we can figure out a more sensible average survival rate. I don't see any sense in masses of people signing up for what's basically a career of suicide missions. |
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:34:00 -
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CCP Abraxas wrote:Those survivors' rates, I, uh ...
Let's try to leave assumed ship deaths out of the equation of total New Eden population numbers if we can. I'd rather that they didn't affect the total pop. at all, and if they actually do, I am going to sit in a room with some people and shout at them until we can figure out a more sensible average survival rate. I don't see any sense in masses of people signing up for what's basically a career of suicide missions.
DUST tech for ship crews?
Or did I just break the lore?
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3092
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:55:00 -
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You could say that pirate ships are severly understaffed hence thier laughable performance against capsuller ships.
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Louella Dougans
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:20:00 -
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some missions and things mention that there are many space colonies and things.
All you need is a solar collector for power, an astrofarm for food, a docking platform, habitation module for living space, and you have yourself a homestead sort of thing. Be a Space Nun, it is fun. \o/ |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:09:00 -
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You may also consider there are probably more worlds inhabitated than there are star gates going to and the only way in an out are jump freighters if they can jump to such systems but that would be cost prohibitive to live there.
It be easy and safe to say eve's population is probably in the qaudillions of humans.
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:40:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:It be easy and safe to say eve's population is probably in the qaudillions of humans.
I think that's a little extreme, given the numbers I have provided already. The Gallente, for example, achieved spaceflight around 500-700 years ago upon first contact with their Caldari neighbours. Their homeworld would have a population of 10 billion as a complete assumption. It's already quite a leap to go from billions to trillions, but there would definitely not be enough time to go to quadillions
Again as I pointed out, if 2.8 trillion is the highest voting turnout in the Federation, which is the second largest empire in New Eden, then we're looking at no more than 20 trillion perhaps. |
Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.02.07 00:27:00 -
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I would hazard a guess that we should also take into account the people who are not essentially part of space stations and planets, but in deadspace pockets... which sounds like a shoddy idea given that for missions and for probing, their must be trillions of more hidden people around here and there.
Besides that, I am more inclined to believe that the population of New Eden is in the hundreds of trillions. Nomadic Thukkers, the Sansha's Nation (can they be counted as alive?), and the cartels and pirate factions as well as ORE have to count as well, and I would say that such areas like Caldari Prime and the central worlds of these nations would have populations well above ten billion, with underwater cities as well (brought up in the fiction before).
But yes, it would be nice if we had some statistics to go on. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.02.07 07:38:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Nova Fox wrote:It be easy and safe to say eve's population is probably in the qaudillions of humans. I think that's a little extreme, given the numbers I have provided already. The Gallente, for example, achieved spaceflight around 500-700 years ago upon first contact with their Caldari neighbours. Their homeworld would have a population of 10 billion as a complete assumption. It's already quite a leap to go from billions to trillions, but there would definitely not be enough time to go to quadillions Again as I pointed out, if 2.8 trillion is the highest voting turnout in the Federation, which is the second largest empire in New Eden, then we're looking at no more than 20 trillion perhaps.
There may be plenty of freeloaders that may receive protectorateship in galletne space but cannot get themselves to a secure polling station. Voter turn out for gallente presidents could be comparatively alot lower than us electing csm members percentage wise.
Also skeleton crew size for any of our ships havent been indentified either. Or the factor that automation could go far to reduce manning on the ship until the point it becomes cost prohibitive to do so.
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2012.02.07 13:42:00 -
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CCP Abraxas wrote:Mirajane Cromwell wrote:The number of babies born each year must be at least the same or higher than the amount of deaths on planets, in stations, in npc ships and in capsuleer ships or otherwise the population would not grow at all. Those survivors' rates, I, uh ... Let's try to leave assumed ship deaths out of the equation of total New Eden population numbers if we can. I'd rather that they didn't affect the total pop. at all, and if they actually do, I am going to sit in a room with some people and shout at them until we can figure out a more sensible average survival rate. I don't see any sense in masses of people signing up for what's basically a career of suicide missions.
Part of the lore around deaths inflicted by capsuleers is fleshed out in "the burning life" novel. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Velarra
Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2012.02.07 18:24:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:CCP Abraxas wrote:Those survivors' rates, I, uh ...
Let's try to leave assumed ship deaths out of the equation of total New Eden population numbers if we can. I'd rather that they didn't affect the total pop. at all, and if they actually do, I am going to sit in a room with some people and shout at them until we can figure out a more sensible average survival rate. I don't see any sense in masses of people signing up for what's basically a career of suicide missions. Or did I just break the lore?
It was possible with EMMA to calculate one's yearly npc ship kill numbers. If you took those numbers and made conservative npc fleet comp estimates, referenced these numbers with current ccp published survival rates for mundane vessels.....
The last year the Sansha have been incursing & uplifting people (arguably killing or at least removing people from their normal lives & making them zombies...) has nothing on 1 MR in a year of mission running in a pre-agent quality change new eden. That's just 1 MR. Multiply this by several hundred. Or, say several thousand. Over one year. Multiply these values over 5yrs, 7 years.
This is only factoring a handful of mission hubs.
Include plexes, Include asteroid belts, Pirate faction mission running. Consider the number of Sansha being killed in Vanguard sites due to protracted attrition driven warfare sponsored by Concord (re: the IC consequences of VG farming in shiny ships & resulting protracted incursions).
The amount of death if published numbers up to now are accurate, - that caspuleers are responsible for is nothing short of staggering. |
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Kiran
Knights of Azrael The Azrael Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.17 07:06:00 -
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You will also have to consider that most normal citizens can live way past the 150 years mark due to technology and gene therapy.
Densley populated areas will be the main trade hubs I would say. Then get smaller as it filters out towards the edge of their relative Empires.
When you compare the capsualeer population within Eve we only have about 300k subscriptions so I would say thats the amount of capsuleers in the New Eden star cluster. Yes there will be NPC ones but I would say these will be small in number as it is a rare few that can actualy be trained/made into a Capsuleer.
Compare this figure of 300k with the rest of New Eden and it is tiny very tiny.
At one point I did have a world clock link but the site was taken down. It showed how many births and deaths there was per second each day. Was prety cool if a little geeky. But it could of helped solve this very easily. |
Tsijha Zirud
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.10 19:23:00 -
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CCP Abraxas wrote:Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Several trillion for both the Amarr Empire and the Gallente Federation. A couple/few trillion for Minmatar Republic (but more Minmatar outside of Republic than in it)
Hundreds of billion for Caldari.
Highsec worlds with city lights on it could be in the billions (fly to the dark side or try to view it in planetview). Worlds without city lights probably in the millions (couple million widely dispersed on lowsec worlds)
Space stations in the hundreds of thousands. Seyllin I (former barren world) had a subterranean population of 500 million, however. Anyone feel like giving me cites for these? We may do something with population numbers as part of the Immersion Project.
If there is immersion is the some eve conworlding going on?
I'm still looking for a suitable temperate homeworld in the adishapur fiefdome that doesn't require planetary ground gravimetric engineering, daylight replacement , breathing support, or genetical manipulation to have an half way enjoyable live ... except the avability is exactly what divides the holder and high class citizen of the empire from low class citizens and the masses of slaves. |
Mordein Raize
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.26 00:48:00 -
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ZZZZZZZ, get titans to do orbital bombardment, level every inhabited planet and do allot of repopulating under our control. LETS DO IT! :D |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:29:00 -
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There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:35:00 -
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Stream of consciousness on the subject of population density:
I wish I knew how many temperate worlds there were per nation, but we can make an educated guess - according to [url]http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planet#Temperate[/url] there are:
- 1,115 temperate planets in highsec (12% of all highsec planets)
- 714 in lowsec (10.3%)
- 3,129 in nullsec (10.5%)
- 2,242 in W-space. (10.6%)
focusing just on high and lowsec and the four main nations...
- Amarr Empire: 484 systems
- Caldari State: 503
- Gallente Federation: 507
- Minmatar Republic: 291
Using the average incidence of temperate worlds (11.15%), we can guess roughly how many of those systems are likely to have a temperate world in them:
- Amarr: 54
- Caldari: 56
- Gallente: 56
- Minmatar: 32
Include a generous margin of error, obviously.
Now, here's the part where the numbers fall apart for me. because if the Amarr Empire were to have "several trillion" citizens living in it - let's say, for the sake of an argument, three trillion...
3 trillion divided by 54 = 55,555,555,555.56 people per planet.
If the Republic were to have a single trillion citizens, then that's 31.25 billion people per world.
Earth is already getting cosy at a "mere" seven billion.
And this is all averages. Bear in mind these include the figures for lowsec worlds, which are likely to have smaller populations than big highsec core worlds like Amarr or Gallente Prime.
All of which means that I reckon the "several trillion" figure being bandied around is a touch optimistic. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Velicia Tuoro
Light Speed Interactive The Mockers AO
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:11:00 -
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Stitcher wrote: And this is all averages. Bear in mind these include the figures for lowsec worlds, which are likely to have smaller populations than big highsec core worlds like Amarr or Gallente Prime.
All of which means that I reckon the "several trillion" figure being bandied around is a touch optimistic.
Hmm. Add to that populated orbitals, nomad thukkar-style fleets and possible bio-dome style things on barren/non-normally inhabitable worlds?
Still a very big number to find :/ Senior Representative Light Speed Interactive http://www.lightspeedinteractive.net |
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems The Fourth District
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Posted - 2012.03.30 05:12:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Stream of consciousness on the subject of population density: I wish I knew how many temperate worlds there were per nation, but we can make an educated guess - according to http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planet there are:
- 1,115 temperate planets in highsec (12% of all highsec planets)
- 714 in lowsec (10.3%)
- 3,129 in nullsec (10.5%)
- 2,242 in W-space. (10.6%)
focusing just on high and lowsec and the four main nations...
- Amarr Empire: 484 systems
- Caldari State: 503
- Gallente Federation: 507
- Minmatar Republic: 291
Using the average incidence of temperate worlds (11.15%), we can guess roughly how many of those systems are likely to have a temperate world in them:
- Amarr: 54
- Caldari: 56
- Gallente: 56
- Minmatar: 32
Include a generous margin of error, obviously. Now, here's the part where the numbers fall apart for me. because if the Amarr Empire were to have "several trillion" citizens living in it - let's say, for the sake of an argument, three trillion... 3 trillion divided by 54 = 55,555,555,555.56 people per planet. If the Republic were to have a single trillion citizens, then that's 31.25 billion people per world. Earth is already getting cosy at a "mere" seven billion. And this is all averages. Bear in mind these include the figures for lowsec worlds, which are likely to have smaller populations than big highsec core worlds like Amarr or Gallente Prime. All of which means that I reckon the "several trillion" figure being bandied around is a touch optimistic.
I think we can assume Barren worlds are capable of supporting sizable populations (and some are on their way to being terraformed).
In the case of the Federation and State there may be vast populations in space, especially for the State. Lai Dai Infinity Systems |
Rhealee
An Eye For An Eye AN EYE F0R AN EYE
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:50:00 -
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So where does the pirate nations come in on this? They get killed a lot, the sansha were forced to abduct slaves. I fly with angel cartel a lot and i would say they would be slightly undermanned.
Curious if in each pirate nations home region, if they have their own races, and the different ways they go about maintaining population. |
Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.03 04:07:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Stream of consciousness on the subject of population density: I wish I knew how many temperate worlds there were per nation, but we can make an educated guess - according to http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planet there are:
- 1,115 temperate planets in highsec (12% of all highsec planets)
- 714 in lowsec (10.3%)
- 3,129 in nullsec (10.5%)
- 2,242 in W-space. (10.6%)
focusing just on high and lowsec and the four main nations...
- Amarr Empire: 484 systems
- Caldari State: 503
- Gallente Federation: 507
- Minmatar Republic: 291
Using the average incidence of temperate worlds (11.15%), we can guess roughly how many of those systems are likely to have a temperate world in them:
- Amarr: 54
- Caldari: 56
- Gallente: 56
- Minmatar: 32
Include a generous margin of error, obviously. Now, here's the part where the numbers fall apart for me. because if the Amarr Empire were to have "several trillion" citizens living in it - let's say, for the sake of an argument, three trillion... 3 trillion divided by 54 = 55,555,555,555.56 people per planet. If the Republic were to have a single trillion citizens, then that's 31.25 billion people per world. Earth is already getting cosy at a "mere" seven billion. And this is all averages. Bear in mind these include the figures for lowsec worlds, which are likely to have smaller populations than big highsec core worlds like Amarr or Gallente Prime. All of which means that I reckon the "several trillion" figure being bandied around is a touch optimistic.
You have the wrong number of systems.....
Amarr=702 Ammatar Mandate=118 Caldari=326 CONCORD=8 Gallente=388 InterBus=1 Khanid Kingdom=84 Minmatar=280 ____________ 1907... you just count 1785
You have "Station System Count" and not "Sovereignty System Count" from the datadumb.
So follow your Amarr example with 11.15%....
Amarr=72
Let see like you for 3 Trillion divided by 72... it is than 41,666,666,666....
let say if count the same number of Barran and Moons as temperate worlds... so 144 Total... etc... than you come to 20,833,333,333. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:21:00 -
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Publius Valerius wrote:let say if count the same number of Barran and Moons as temperate worlds...
Let's say we don't, on account of how there's no city lights all over the night side of a barren world or a moon.
An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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