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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:00:00 -
[31]
It seems to me you done very little research on this. I mean Not looked at other IPO or bonds or anything. people who ask for crap loads of isk and put out a very plan! or even lack of detail will not get much. Because of this i have no confidence and not offer support!
people not hostile there just been fair because you asking people isk! Research + prepare? + plan = better chance of starting off better?
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:11:00 -
[32]
scam or not this bond lacks any real form of business plan. I can't believe how receptive some of you are to this after the whole Wylker incident. Wylker provided a far more comprehensive business plan as well as a ton of references.
Now I know Siri Blue has done a few things in Eve but none have matched up to this 70b level. Going through old posts it can be seen he was in possession of a mackinaw bpo at one point or another. Siri I asked you in EGSE channel but you ignored it. Would you be willing to lock down that or a similarly valued bpo as a 50% security to your bond?
Generally such low returns are hand in hand with a highly secured corporation. Anyway it all comes down to a business plan that took 3 minutes to type up, has had zero research done, no experience with shares/bonds and wanting 70b of public isk.
We had Blue Dice go down the same path with people use his WTS forum trudging as their own safety buffer. This failed miserably as all his burn victims can attest.
Siri, check the stickies and start by redesigning your whole plan. Follow Hexxx standards guide, and type up another business plan that isn't a carbon copy of FIN (minus business plan or security).
In a rating out of 100, I would rate this as a 5 for reputation. Nothing else whatsoever of worth is here. BTW, did anyone here forget that almost zero t2 bpo's can return 100% of their value over 12 months these days?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:22:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Ricdic
scam or not this bond lacks any real form of business plan. I can't believe how receptive some of you are to this after the whole Riethe incident.
FTFY. 
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.28 23:35:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Ricdic
scam or not this bond lacks any real form of business plan. I can't believe how receptive some of you are to this after the whole Riethe incident.
FTFY.
I used Wylker because I was pointing out how large this bond was for another person with no market history. Riethe had a small IPO with an average sized SMO that he managed to manipulate to increase his yield.
So it still stands, I was referring to Wylker
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Oscar Kain
Amarr
The Kain Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.29 09:59:00 -
[35]
Yay another business venture from siri.
Count me in for 50 mill (wish it could be more)
BTW everyone thats worried about scamming doesnt know siri!
Good to see you back in the Tech 2 game for good dude!
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 12:05:00 -
[36]
\o/ yay
Thanks to Morning Maniac and Oscar Kain for your investments and your trust 
I didn't sleep well tonight and can't concentrate well but I started to overwork this a bit 
I adjusted the Buyback options to allow a much quicker withdrawl of funds. The weekly max Buyback options of 500 million ISK represent what I can easily carebear myself within 5 days of playing.
I hope that is more to the liking of the "pros" here 
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 12:15:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Shadarle
Where to begin...
You say you guarantee 4% per month. This is tiny, as you should know. You then pay out 20% of profits you make. Lets analyze this 20% number.
T2 BPO's generally sell for 12 months of production value. This means you, in theory, will make 100% profit over 12 months. This is 8.33% per month. 20% of this is 1.666%. This would make 5.666% per month. If you do indeed run for 2 years then the T2 BPO profit doubles effectively to 3.332%, bringing the total to 7.332%. Of course this is all theoretical numbers, prices could go up/down, you could get them cheaper, invention could really hurt T2 production more after patch or it could effect it less.
We also have to decide if this reward is worth the risk. 70 billion is a TON of money to trust to someone who has never run an IPO and does not have a major presence or reputation on these forums. Then add in the lack of payback for a year which would only be 70% anyways.
You need to clear up what that 80% of profits will be used for. Is it going to be held by the corp and still belong to the corp (thus increasing share price) to handle buybacks or are you pocketing it so you can buy back shares if needed and if not needed you'll use it for your own purposes?
It might be a decent enough IPO for a well respected/trusted person to release, tho the buyback is just bad as it is now. I think if Ricdic, Shar, DS, or many others here posted this exact thing it would get some heat... but people would trust them enough that they'd prob go for it in a very slightly changed form. You'll have to work a bit harder imo.
20% of the surplus ISK will be given out on top ot the 4%, right.
I decided that another 20% would be withheld as a reserve should any unexpected circumstances hit and the remaining 60% would be used to buy additional assets thus effectively increasing the value of the venture and its potential profits.
Should everything go well and I don't need the 20% reserve to pay out dividends, etc...I'd like to claim that small part of the surplus profits as a salary at the end of a one year period.
The 60% reinvested would increase the profit margin on the venture over time and should I try to buyback more bonds than people want to sell...I would adjust the buyback option accordingly (calculating the 60% surplus profit reinvested into the Buyback price).
So should people wait for the venture to be successful enough to allow me to buy back bonds, they will effectively get 4% plus 80% of all the surplus profits.
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 12:32:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Siri Blue on 29/11/2007 12:34:44
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 28/11/2007 17:24:31
You're not going to get many investors until you convince people that you can give them 7% per month or better, otherwise they're effectively giving you free isk to the tune of 3% per month. You've said that the figures you've got are assuming the worst-case scenario - what are your optimal and mid-range estimates?
Slighty optimistic estimates are 7% monthly profits, which would result in 4.6% monthly payouts, 0.6% reserve accumulation and 1.8% reinvestments (which then results in a higher Buyback price when special Buyback offers are being made)...
Optimal results would be 10-12% monthy profits but I don't think this is likely to happen with the new Trinity changes to invention.
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
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Would you be prepared to lock down the BPOs in a corp where only a trusted third party had the necessary access to remove them? (this would involve creating a separate corp to issue shares). Ideally, the trusted third party would receive all the isk raised from share purchases and use it to buy the BPOs and would also remain in the corp so as to be able to reimburse shareholders in the event of a bus splat or similar.
How would you transport the BPOs to the production site?
Can you offer any security in the event of the BPOs being converted to max run BPCs, or removed, or made redundant via further improvements to invention? Most ship BPOs in particular are going to become a lot less profitable with Trinity, because inventors' costs will fall (due to the improved decryptor stats). Have you considered this in your calculations?
No, I don't give out shares, these are bonds for a completely secure investment unless CCP completely devalues T2 BPOs which CCP does not with Trinity and the next patch is a long way off.
Also...decryptors will be used for the new ship types where no BPOs exist and if decryptors become cheaper and more available by removing them from static complexes...remains to be seen.
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.29 13:30:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Siri Blue
No, I don't give out shares, these are bonds for a completely secure investment
I think misleading potential investors is not too fair. There is no such thing as a completely secure investment and you missed the point where you can turn and take all the money tomorrow if you want. Not quite as completely secure any more...
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unless CCP completely devalues T2 BPOs which CCP does not with Trinity and the next patch is a long way off.
I guess you missed the memo sent out with the Invention patch. CCP didn't devalue T2 bpo's back then per se, but they did allow a phenomenal devaluation on t2 profits.
Also you must have missed that there are in fact a LOT of changes this coming patch in 5 days that can devalue T2 profits further.
Let me copy and paste as you obviously haven't read the patch notes yet.
Originally by: Patch Notes
# The maximum runs of Tech 2 Hybrid, Laser and Projectile blueprints have been increased from 10 to 100.
# Max production run of Barrage M blueprint has been changed from 10 to 100.
# The S&I job times of T2 missile blueprints have been reduced to be more inline with equivalent T2 ammo.
# The bonuses provided by decryptors in invention have been increased by varying amounts to be more effective in invention jobs.
# The chance of inventing ship blueprints of smaller Tech II ship classes has been increased leading to a greater chance of success with frigate, destroyer, cruiser and battlecruiser invention.
# Invention times for Mining Laser Upgrade I Blueprint and the Ice Harvester Upgrade I Blueprint have been reduced to be in line with other modules.
# Changed invention research time on Target Painter I from 120,000 to 9,000 seconds.
So here we have changes to a handful of specific items, especially a rather large change to the success rates of invention. That coupled with the constant expected decrease in the Mechanical Engineering datacore likely leads to a determination that any T2 BPO purchased will face a considerable drop in profit as these and other datacores drop in value.
Have you considered BMBE for this?
To determine your competency in the T2 Market, can you tell us the kinds of BPO's you will be looking to spend the 70b on? Ammo, drone, etc. I would like to see a more defined shopping list. Or do you plan on buying a whole pile of different ones and just seeing what happens?
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Also...decryptors will be used for the new ship types where no BPOs exist and if decryptors become cheaper and more available by removing them from static complexes...remains to be seen.
Well yes you have just personally found another potential way your idea can fail as well as all the above. How will you meet interest repayments whilst looking for the bpo/s you want? Do you already have purchases lined up? Or will you initially pay dividends using the 70b from the bond for the first few months whilst finding something to spend it on?
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 13:43:00 -
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I will concentrate on Gallente Ship BPOs as said already and yes, I have potential sellers at hand...
So the production could start a few days after the BPO purchases...
I actually expect BPOs to drop in price again, thats why I want to raise the funds to buy them when they are being dropped on the market...
And again I calculated with worst case scenarios of falling ship prices to still be able to provide the 4% profit payouts.
Any payouts done before profits actually come in will be covered by my personal funds and only paid back later when profits come in, so the full sum can be used for investments.
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.11.29 15:08:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Ricdic
scam or not this bond lacks any real form of business plan. I can't believe how receptive some of you are to this after the whole Wylker incident. Wylker provided a far more comprehensive business plan as well as a ton of references.
Now I know Siri Blue has done a few things in Eve but none have matched up to this 70b level. Going through old posts it can be seen he was in possession of a mackinaw bpo at one point or another. Siri I asked you in EGSE channel but you ignored it. Would you be willing to lock down that or a similarly valued bpo as a 50% security to your bond?
Generally such low returns are hand in hand with a highly secured corporation. Anyway it all comes down to a business plan that took 3 minutes to type up, has had zero research done, no experience with shares/bonds and wanting 70b of public isk.
We had Blue Dice go down the same path with people use his WTS forum trudging as their own safety buffer. This failed miserably as all his burn victims can attest.
Siri, check the stickies and start by redesigning your whole plan. Follow Hexxx standards guide, and type up another business plan that isn't a carbon copy of FIN (minus business plan or security).
In a rating out of 100, I would rate this as a 5 for reputation. Nothing else whatsoever of worth is here. BTW, did anyone here forget that almost zero t2 bpo's can return 100% of their value over 12 months these days?
The business plan doesn't look very good at all. That is plain, but there have been IPO's here before that have dramatically turned around. I guess what I was saying is I'm not calling scam yet, but the possibility is still there.
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
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Posted - 2007.11.29 15:20:00 -
[42]
Completely agreed Slurm. But I feel right now we are looking at an investment for a huge amount of isk with nothing to back it up, a partial rep but none in handling public isk and a business plan I could write up in 3 minutes without cross referencing any material whatsoever.
First impressions last. When looking at a business plan, that's my first impression. Having said that, as Slurm has said we have seen people come back from bad business plans to do some nice things (LaVista with Cap4U, Genbukan with Best Buys Inc, Ambo with his bond : to name a few).
I strongly recommend Siri either recreates a far better business plan, or seeks someone in-game to verify his personal documentation pertaining to this business. If none exists then this business almost has guaranteed failure from the start. If it does they can say "hey he has a ton of info, is just hiding most of it to avoid public knowing what he is doing".
Normally I would offer to provide this service but I feel pre-biased and think my report would be negative by default so would strongly recommend against using myself to do this.
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2007.11.29 16:10:00 -
[43]
lol he just doomed him self to ever sell bonds! I also feel he ignoring people advices.
bad plan! so lets move on nothing to see
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:26:00 -
[44]
*sigh* You know, I prefer playing the game INGAME and earning ISK instead of running numbers for a few selected people that think they are the Official CCP stockmarket control squad so that they may **** off over a few pages of fancy looking numbers.
I prefer to actually do business over doing hypotetical calculations about how the effect of a bag of rice falling off a hauler in minmatar space would be on my venture.
That said, I have monitored the T2 ship market for a long time and been busy on it as well with inventing, building and selling a lot of ships. And I've always come out with a profit, whatever I did in Eve.
And yes, I am in a bad mood, my granddad died last week, I didn't sleep tonight, my ex is making my stomache ache and Ricdic, you are...annoying me, if you don't like it, don't buy it, easy as that.
I said advice how to make it better is welcome, just running your mouth is not!
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May Shiko
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:45:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Siri Blue
I said advice how to make it better is welcome, just running your mouth is not!
As a potential, all I can really say is;
If you want help, we need solid numbers!
We need information about the how, why, what, when and where to make any accurate, justifiable, relevant or respectable suggestions on how to improve this offering.
Your personal experience =/= public experience.
I just learned this when I started Shiko Productions back at the beginning of November. When I did things for myself, it was easy to achieve the numbers I wanted, because I only had myself to answer to. The production and managing of an item is easy enough, relaying the promised profits to investors is not.
Again, we get back to the fact, there are far many more options, which return 4% or greater per month on far smaller capitalized amounts.
So if you want a few suggestions:
Find a way to offer 8% returns or more per month.
Find a way to prove you can return 8% returns or more per month.
Find a way to prove to potential investors how their money is going to be secured.
Three easy starting points. These are bare basics that most investors ask, or at the least should be asking (there's wiggle room for the Return on Investment per month), and right now, there are other options available out there for people that meet all three of these criteria, where as you do not.
Saying 'it will be' is not enough, if you want people to take you seriously, show them how serious you are by providing concrete information to answer their questions/concerns and show that you are business minded enough to properly manage even 10% of the asking amount.
I do wish you the best of luck and I do hope there's a few changes. Until you meet the three basic criteria of your John Doe investor though, this is simply on the watch list for myself and my friends.
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:45:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Siri Blue
I said advice how to make it better is welcome, just running your mouth is not!
I have given you advice repeatedly. You have refused to listen to it. I and others strongly advised you do a proper business plan. The fact you are refusing to provide any figures or bother appeasing your potential shareholders (one of whom happens to be well known for putting billions into a lot of new offerings) speaks wonders for you.
You may have your own personal problems. Don't take them out on me wanting to make sure my potential investment is secure. Go deal with your own things and stop making excuses.
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:55:00 -
[47]
Initial Investment for known BPOs I want to buy are about 50 billion ISK, the rest is not yet planned out.
On that 50 Billion Investment expected monthly profits (worst case) are 2.1 Billion ISK. (4.2%)
Current profits would be 3.15 bil per month. (6.3%)
The remaining ~40 Bil (20 of my own ISK) are there for opportunity buys within the first 6 weeks.
Need more numbers?
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.29 17:58:00 -
[48]
Sure, what are the bpo's? 
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:02:00 -
[49]
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:33:00 -
[50]
Siri Blue, I am not a major investor or contributor to the MD forum. I do not carry the clout of some people (Ricdic, Shadarle, Shar, Hexx, etc..), but I am the type of investor you require to make your IPO successful.
I tend to invest (through other toons) lots of smaller amounts of ISK (50-500 million) so I can spread my risk across many IPO's.
So when I invest I want to understand a few things:
1. Do you have a good reputation/character life
2. Sound business plan
3. Payout in relation to risk
I looked at your IPO, and you are not giving me a reason to invest, for a number of reasons:
1. I could find a higher or equivalent return in one of the banks or safer IPO's with a good history.
2. Your business plan is more of the 'give me the cash and trust me types". Directly after losing money with Riethe I want more assurances and a better plan.
3. Your IPO relies on no major changes being made by CCP (very unlikely)
4. Lots of people have tried to be helpful and give you pointers, but when pushed for details you get surly, and make excuses.
5. Too much money to control without a good history.
Take the criticism and learn from it, don't pick a fight. Remember people WANT you to succeed and you NEED their help.
Provide more information!!
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:42:00 -
[51]
I provided more numbers 3 posts above and I definitely won't say which BPO(s) I'm going to buy, there are far too many BPO resellers out there atm.
And as for the business plan...
I get ISK, I buy BPO, I buy parts, I produce, I sell ships, I make profits, I give out profits to investors.
In the end I buy back bonds.
What else do you need?
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Atherin Gaius
Caldari
Domini Umbrus
VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:56:00 -
[52]
I'm not an "invest a bil isk here and another bil isk there" type investor.
But to make investing in your IPO/Bond (whatever) financially worthwhile, I would need to invest a bil isk. Even then, there are other operations that I could invest that in that payout at a much higher (100% higher) level.
So let's say that I was looking to invest a bil ISK. You haven't given any substantial information in your business plan. I can't say that I've seen you on the market discussions forum before, and the fact that you ran a lottery with prizes boesn't make you trustworthy to give isk to.
Put some time into this if you want it to happen. I would love to run an IPO worth 10bil and make some killer ISK from it but to be honest, I don't want to put the time into it.
And that is what your Business Plan is saying, I want to make some quick ISK.
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Atherin Gaius
Caldari
Domini Umbrus
VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 18:58:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Siri Blue
I provided more numbers 3 posts above and I definitely won't say which BPO(s) I'm going to buy, there are far too many BPO resellers out there atm.
And as for the business plan...
I get ISK, I buy BPO, I buy parts, I produce, I sell ships, I make profits, I give out profits to investors.
In the end I buy back bonds.
What else do you need?
Numbers. Like I will spend this much on BPO's this much on this.
Production will take this long, revenue will be this much.
You know the business stuff....
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 19:11:00 -
[54]
I did do that several posts above...
Initial Investment for known BPOs I want to buy are about 50 billion ISK, the rest is not yet planned out.
On that 50 Billion Investment expected monthly profits (worst case) are 2.1 Billion ISK. (4.2%)
Current profits would be 3.15 bil per month. (6.3%)
The remaining ~40 Bil (20 of my own ISK) are there for opportunity buys within the first 6 weeks.
Need more numbers?
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.11.29 19:11:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Hexxx on 29/11/2007 19:13:03
edit: edited for clarity
I still haven't finished my standard set of questions for every IPO, but let me point out some things here.
1) Investor relations and communications is a sore point right now, and history has proven that a combative manager who does not readily disclose information, nor make the effort to address appropriate investor questions is a significant risk factor for a successfully run IPO.
2) The long term nature of this IPO (buy-back rate and timeline) presents another significant risk factor. History has shown that CCP can and will change the invention/T2 landscape. While this doesn't compromise the ability of the manager to produce, it may affect the cost structure of his production. With such a potentially low return, volatility in returns is highly undesirable.
3) Risk vs. Reward. Given the risk factors I've mentioned and compared against the reward, this IPO is largely unviable as a investment vehicle for investors with a low to moderate risk tolerance. I would only recommend that high risk tolerance investors with surplus funds consider investing in this if they are comfortable with it.
4) Lastly, making a statement that an investment is completely guarunteed is not appropriate nor accurate. No investment is guarunteed unless a 3rd party holds a security worth 100% of principal investment. In summary, it's misleading.
Closing Notes
People are free to do as they please, but my personal opinion on this (which is to say, the opinion of Hexxx, not EBANK) is that this IPO is too high risk and too low return to be attractive to investors. As such, I recommend that the majority of investors steer clear of this paticular IPO.
Now, with that said, Siri does have a good reputation. Each investor needs to take that into consideration when making their own personal choice.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.29 19:27:00 -
[56]
Thanks for your adive there...
I can only repeat that my numbers are pretty much worst case scenario numbers for the next 12 months.
I doubt worse case will hit though with the new ship designs coming in.
And yes, I will be working on polishing this all...but not right now :)
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.11.29 19:47:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Siri Blue
Thanks for your adive there...
I can only repeat that my numbers are pretty much worst case scenario numbers for the next 12 months.
I doubt worse case will hit though with the new ship designs coming in.
And yes, I will be working on polishing this all...but not right now :)
If I change my opinion, I will updated my posts. Again, I'd like to stress that each investors needs to make their own choice. While all investing is inherently risky, different investors have different risk tolerances.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2007.11.29 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 29/11/2007 20:23:33
Thank you for your replies. You still haven't said whether you would be willing to secure the IPO via a mutually trusted third party- this would be a significant advantage from the point of view of a potential investor who doesn't know you terribly well.
I realise that you're not keen on issuing shares, but this does have the advantage of making it easier for people to switch investments or when they suddenly need some cash, and reduces the pressure on you to offer buybacks, as well as reducing admin work.
Finally, you needn't publicly post exactly which BPOs you intend to purchase, but if you were to send detailed projections of your returns for several different scenarios (new success rates for ship invention and the new decryptors affecting margins, for example) to a few potential investors who are trusted & respected within the community, you'd have won half the battle. Many people would probably be happy to invest if you managed to convince the greatest doubters that you've put a lot of time into working out the numbers - assuming that you could offer sufficient returns, of course.
I realise that for you this would be taking a gamble, but you're asking everyone else here to assume good faith; don't be surprised if we expect the same of you.
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Posted - 2007.11.29 21:19:00 -
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Take this with a grain of salt: Originally by: Siri Blue
You know, I prefer playing the game INGAME and earning ISK instead of running numbers for a few selected people that think they are the Official CCP stockmarket control squad so that they may **** off over a few pages of fancy looking numbers.
I prefer to actually do business over doing hypotetical calculations about how the effect of a bag of rice falling off a hauler in minmatar space would be on my venture.
Taking this attitude when you need us, not we need you, is not going to help. You don't have the rep for it and this will likely sink you. Originally by: Siri Blue
And yes, I am in a bad mood, my granddad died last week, I didn't sleep tonight, my ex is making my stomache ache and Ricdic, you are...annoying me, if you don't like it, don't buy it, easy as that.
Save this kind of chat for Out Of Pod forums. Telling us your life is in chaos does not increase the appearance of stability. It is not that we don't care but we won't let caring influence our decisions either. Originally by: Siri Blue
I said advice how to make it better is welcome, just running your mouth is not!
I said this earlier this week, "Becareful whose toes you step on as they might be attached to the bum you have to kiss tomorrow." Do not presume that many of those talking here are just forum warriors without any in game success and insight. That is a big mistake. You are asking for a lot of moola here. If you aren't ready for tough questions, I suggest you move right along as you'll be leaving as empty handed as you appeared. Just be mindful, you might have the smartest most surefire thing ever created... but you need us and you are either going to act like it, and thus succeed, or you are not and maybe succeed on your own. If the latter option was most likely, you'd already be doing it so take this advice: Take all critique as helpful no matter how annoying. Going to conclude with another bit of oft repeated advice: Take a few days off. Scour this thread for everything said, absorb it, come back refreshed and with a sharper focus.
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Posted - 2007.11.29 22:12:00 -
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I am really wondering why anyone would start a project that has minimum profits of 4%. I am generally wary of starting investments under 10% because game changes could happen at any time... at least within 4+ months. At 4% you have to hope nothing changes for 2 years in your field... that is just not a good gamble, especially in the T2 market.
Granted, you should make more than 4%... but maybe not. You refuse to give us an confidence in your ability to make smart decisions with your money. You say you will get money, buy bpos, buy components, build, sell. No crap. We want to understand why you are special, why are you going to do this better than all the others who do it. What insights do you have, what knowledge of the markets do you have, etc.
I've looked at doing the exact thing you're looking at doing, only I'd do it with my own funds. I didn't think the profits were worth it for just myself. If I had to give away the first 4% and then 80% of the rest I'd never dream of wasting my time. This will take more time to run than you may think... and there is a good chance the prices will drastically change in at least a few of the BPO's you buy. Not to mention there are very few T2 bpo's being sold these days... most of which are selling at 15+ month prices. This is a horrid time to start up a business like this imo, yet you are claiming it is a good time.
I am really not going to get into the numbers specifically... because I don't think you're even ready for that yet. The numbers are easy to change if needed... but no level of payout would be worth the risk and uncertainty I feel your investment has currently. Even if you offered 20% payout monthly I'd avoid investing... though I'd probably be sure you were scamming if you claimed 20%, the 4% number is the only reason I think you are probably fairly trustworthy. Any scammer would claim much higher returns.
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