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Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:57:00 - [31] Originally by: Miss Anthropy Originally by: DarkMatter When we are all a singular race, and without religion. This is how fascism takes hold of a country. "Let's all unite under common ideals and anyone who doesn't agree with us we'll eradicate". **** Germany anyone? Be careful what you wish for. Mankind is at it's most dangerous when united under a common cause, or have you learned nothing from history? Why should I have to submit to the ideologies of another simply to placate the masses and blend in? In order to unite nations under a common banner you would have to take away the freedom and privacy of the citizens of those nations. If this is the society you want to live in then you don't deserve the freedoms you currently enjoy. You have to clarify what you're saying. Humanity is most dangerous when united under a common unjust cause. Which is the Germany example. How do you think the Ecosystem crisis, and the global warming crisis will be sorted out? It will take humanity united under a just cause, which should be humanity at it's best. And why couldn't you unite people by saying they can keep their freedoms and offer them benefits to uniting with you? Isn't that how the States were United? The kind of uniting you're talking about isn't uniting at all, you're talking about conquering. People only unite under a mutual agreement. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Multras Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.30 21:58:00 - [32] Originally by: Ilvan When capitalism, nationalism and theism are all dead and buried. So when we are all mindless slaves that do what our masters tell us to? Thanks to EVE Art Store for the sig.
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:02:00 - [33] Quote: When one culture sees another performing well it incorporates that into itself. Sorry, but that's a bit nanve. The idea that cultural development is informed by picking and choosing things it likes from other cultures overlooks hundreds of years of colonialism, oppression and displacement where the dominant culture is forced on another. That isn't 'progress' in my view. Aditionally, what I got from your view of culture is that better technology e.g developed countries = better cultures. What are we uniting under here? MacDonalds? __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:02:00 - [34] Originally by: Ilvan When capitalism, nationalism and theism are all dead and buried. So never, barring genetic engineering to remove 90% of evolutionary instinct? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Ilvan	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:04:00 - [35] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Ilvan When capitalism, nationalism and theism are all dead and buried. So never, barring genetic engineering to remove 90% of evolutionary instinct? Yeah, pretty much. Sucks. Originally by: Multras So when we are all mindless slaves that do what our masters tell us to? I forgot to include 'social hierarchy', so no.
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:12:00 - [36] Religion will never disappear. You dont have to believe in a temporal god to be religious. Atheists have their own religions whether they believe it or not and that doesn't make them any less fanatical or faction based than anyone else. The problems of the world have more to do with human nature than any christian/buddist/islam religion. But they make great scapegoats. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:17:00 - [37] Originally by: Kalahari Wayrest Quote: When one culture sees another performing well it incorporates that into itself. Sorry, but that's a bit nanve. The idea that cultural development is informed by picking and choosing things it likes from other cultures overlooks hundreds of years of colonialism, oppression and displacement where the dominant culture is forced on another. That isn't 'progress' in my view. Aditionally, what I got from your view of culture is that better technology e.g developed countries = better cultures. What are we uniting under here? MacDonalds? Are you saying that there are no peaceful ideas that are traded between cultures? How do you think different religions formed? Look at the similarities between polytheist religions towards paganism towards monotheistic religions. Not all those were at the point of a sword, Cultures take philosophies and ideas from one another all the time. War can be a major factor, but it would happen regardless. Even though I'm against universal healthcare, it's taking roots in America because it s performing better than the current system in the US and other societies have implemented it well. Look at the move away from dictatorships, towards notions of redress of grievances, due process, civil liberties, human rights. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:30:00 - [38] Quote: Are you saying that there are no peaceful ideas that are traded between cultures? No, I'm not saying that, what I'm saying is that citing that as how a culture changes/develops overlooks a lot. Maybe it would be better to specify that gradual change occurs peaceably, and the sudden changes are usually due to a change in dominant ideology by gunpoint... Quote: Not all those were at the point of a sword, Cultures take philosophies and ideas from one another all the time. No but a lot of them, if not most of them, were. Using religion as a primary example of peaceful cultural exchange was possibly a bad example given religious wars and persecutions...You mention paganism, but that was pretty much stamped out forciably on the British Isles (though my history might be iffy on that one). Quote: Look at the move away from dictatorships, towards notions of redress of grievances, due process, civil liberties, human rights. There are certainly good aspects to western culture depending on your subjectivity, but there also bad aspects. The same could be said of any culture, really. I suppose you could summerise my view as overly pessimistic (towards western culture and it's spread anyhow) and yours overly optimistic, a balanced view would probably situate somewhere between the two __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2007.11.30 22:48:00 - [39] Quote: No but a lot of them, if not most of them, were. Using religion as a primary example of peaceful cultural exchange was possibly a bad example given religious wars and persecutions...You mention paganism, but that was pretty much stamped out forciably on the British Isles (though my history might be iffy on that one). I was talking about the formation of the religions, not the spread of a singular religion. For example look at Greek Mythology, Roman Mythology, and Egyptian Mythology. That was not spread by the sword, it was spread through word of mouth, migrations and things like that. I don't really know of a religion that was created at sword point. But thinking about it, it is odd that religion was created peacefully but spread through war :). Take the formation of Christianity for example, they were heavily persecuted in the beginning but their religion spread despise the persecution. It's formation was in fact a peaceful cultural exchange. It's ideals were taken from many other religions, in fact you'll find that many religious have a very similar vein, and that's due to subtle cultural exchanges. And notice how that is region based. The middle east, and Europe. But look at Orient and you not only get very different values, but another similar vein of thought regionally due to the cultural exchange. Of course history is plagued with many example of people forcing their religion on each other, however that's not what I was referring to. Quote: There are certainly good aspects to western culture depending on your subjectivity I agree western society isn't the model of perfection. But there are many philosophies established that are just better than anything presented before. There is no argument that due process, civil liberties, human rights, and rule of law aren't the best advancement culturally that have happened thus far in creating a sustainable and peaceful society. Something like that isn't subjective, I'm not saying that there isn't some level of subjectivity among other philosophies, Universal Health care being a right for example. But those 4 things I mentioned aren't really up for any kind of debate. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.11.30 23:14:00 - [40] Originally by: Rialtor Well not really when since no one can really guess a year :). It's just a discussion if you think the world will unite one day, and if so what will be the catalysts to this change? When the dominant species isn't human beings. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2007.11.30 23:31:00 - [41] Edited by: Kalahari Wayrest on 30/11/2007 23:31:53 well, as far as subjectivity goes, given we're within western culture it's difficult to be objective. a country with democracy being forced on it, for instance, will inevitably look upon it as hostile. your subjectivity is dependant on your positioning regarding it - both literal and as in, a subject position. I do agree the specific four things you mentioned are the 'good' aspects and the pinnacle/achievement of our civilization...but it's all that goes with it. I mean, a lot of the disillusionment in the Modernism movement was coming to terms with the idea that with all the greatness of western civilisation, the philosophies, literature, art, history...it just amounted to horror and concentration camps as we arrived at the world wars. To be honest, I think everything being up for debate moves culture along more than anything else... Although these debates aren't neccesarily peaceful. (edit: yeah, sorry I did completely misunderstand where you were coming from with the religion point ) __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
The Anointed Caldari Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.30 23:36:00 - [42] Dude, there could be 2 people left on the planet and I guarantee issues would still arise. Its the nature of the beast.
Captain Hudson Caldari Intergalactic Space Defense Force Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:37:00 - [43] When you all fall back under the flag of the British Empire, then we will have peace, you all wanted to be free countries and look where it got you. If want can even raise a army of Christendom, with the flag of St.George and everything and go to the holy lands, oh wait. The Real Eve FanFest
sbreach Gallente PezCo - Ice Services Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:43:00 - [44] Depends on your prospect of Unity, there will always be arguments and there will always be crime, but if unity as in working together while not hating/plotting nasty things or doing things for the greater good there needs to be some drastic reasons. As said before, Alien interference. whilst the prospect of intelligent life forms on other planets coming to us is incredibly slim, the chance that somewhere in the big big big big reaches of space intelligent life doesnt/ or has existed is as mind bogglingly low as the mind boggling large scale of the universe, and by all means humans are not something id call extremely intelligent, but were good at surviving so maybe we are. Whilst religion may be one step, perhaps a global dominant religion would also garner the same outcome? you just got to quell any I SAW A VISION or my religion is more righteous and right than yours. I mean people who say they hate religion almost treat science as a religion. Actually the same is with Environmentalists . We should pick one religion and stick to it! (yea this will happen, but same likely hood as world equity being equal!) Extreme suffering or human strife on a completely unprecedented and global scale. The worst of humans brings out the best in others. where people unite against a common goal for survival or for righteousness. Theres many examples of where People being the worst made others become almost utopic. however first any kind of unity to occur after this assumes good wins over evil, assuming a good/evil side can be determined and set in stone. Second of all it would have to be on the scale it effects every single person on the planet and the crimes or catastrophes occurred would have to be pretty dire to even bring people closer together. But knowing mankind its a possibility though if what Einstein predicts, if world war 3 happens, looks like a life of stones and sticks are left! Similarly a natural disaster of worldwide destructive propertions could bring unity to a much wider scale, where as most of the population of the world is gone, and surviving relies on not blowing each other up, such disasters could be a meteorite (however the likelihood of this happening diminishes all the time as technology, mapping and prediction and if needed neutralisation increases. This is perhaps one of the few events man can easily get rid of, Some success in major earthquake avoidance was made but is deemed to risky as it can cause earthquakes itself and currently has no real understanding. Volcanoes, i'm not aware of any really effective method of reducing the chance or full power of a volcano but im sure there are. All in all, mankind will not unite under any cause other than ones which threatens mankind itself to a degree it cannot be ignored or endured. Be it through global wars, global catastrophes or intergalactic beings saying, oh hi nice planet of resources, we'll take it. (Its only logical to suspect that a advanced intellectually superior race would probably have similar needs of sustaining life as us, and since we have a abundance of sources to make life it could be a highly valuable commodity) of course assuming the race is not benevolent. If i were to guess a year, 23XX would be my guess things get ugly and changes are made. the 21st century will have bumps and burns but will most likely be relatively un-eventful. lest we not forget unity can be enforced and generally if a unity is to occur this is the most likely man made approach
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:43:00 - [45] I've seen a couple people bring up the notion of our "nature". Man unlike other species has everything necessary to overcome our instinctual programming. But we act against our instincts all the time. Very often society makes us contradict our instincts. Point being "human nature" is always changing, and advancing. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
sbreach Gallente PezCo - Ice Services Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:45:00 - [46] Originally by: Rialtor I've seen a couple people bring up the notion of our "nature". Man unlike other species has everything necessary to overcome our instinctual programming. But we act against our instincts all the time. Very often society makes us contradict our instincts. Point being "human nature" is always changing, and advancing. Mankind is the only race I know which stops natural selection and protects and supports those who would fail at natural selection if it wasn't otherwise. However natural selection will always ultimately decide.
Frank Horrigan	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:45:00 - [47] Humans, when in groups of over 100 or more, automatically fracture into smaller groups.. its something built into our dna.. you will never keep us in one group.. drifference is the key to our species.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:53:00 - [48] Uniting involves terms & conditions - these are often contentious. Logoffs
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.12.01 02:58:00 - [49] Originally by: Rialtor I've seen a couple people bring up the notion of our "nature". Man unlike other species has everything necessary to overcome our instinctual programming. But we act against our instincts all the time. Very often society makes us contradict our instincts. Point being "human nature" is always changing, and advancing. Your statement is false. Too many studies done on this and too many "omfg!" results have shown that humans has not changed at all. Society norms and morales are always changing. Human nature is still brutal and quite scary. The second society begins to break down even a little, the real monsters come out. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2007.12.01 03:17:00 - [50] There's always going to be conflict of some kind really, you could never have the unity you speak of. I have enough problems agreeing with myself sometimes, let alone other people What does it even mean anyway? Everyone is united without conflict... resistance is futile? -----
Multras Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.01 07:31:00 - [51] Originally by: Ilvan Originally by: Multras So when we are all mindless slaves that do what our masters tell us to? I forgot to include 'social hierarchy', so no. So then we are the equivalent to a plant or very low life form. Animals and humans always rely on a leader figure, or you have a **** up pile of **. Thanks to EVE Art Store for the sig.
Ilvan	Posted - 2007.12.01 09:30:00 - [52] Originally by: Multras So then we are the equivalent to a plant or very low life form. Animals and humans always rely on a leader figure, or you have a **** up pile of **. Try thinking outside of the tiny little box you keep your mind in.
Multras Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.01 10:35:00 - [53] Edited by: Multras on 01/12/2007 10:35:27 Originally by: Ilvan Originally by: Multras So then we are the equivalent to a plant or very low life form. Animals and humans always rely on a leader figure, or you have a **** up pile of **. Try thinking outside of the tiny little box you keep your mind in. No, because forms like that do not work for a society. Try living in reality. Thanks to EVE Art Store for the sig.
NightHaunter Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.01 11:30:00 - [54] Originally by: Arvald i agree with this, it is impractical to have a racist attitude in this day and age. Being prejudice and suspicious is fine though.
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind STELLAR LEGION	Posted - 2007.12.01 11:39:00 - [55] We shall have world goverment wheter or not you like it by conquest or consent James Warburg In the senate foreign relations committee Feb. 17, 1950 Countless people will hate the new world order and will die protesting against it H.G. WELLS The new world order (1939) 1. Eropean Union 2. North American Union 3. Asian Union 1 bank 1 army 1 capital 1 world goverment -RonP 2008-
Frygok Minmatar Malicious Intentions The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.01 11:45:00 - [56] The current Bretton Woods international system and both UN and NATO needs to be reformed. We had a chance to make the world better for everyone, and thereby more easily get people to unite, after World War II, but instead of learning from the past, those who had the power used it to secure their own interest in short term, rather than the long-term gains for everyone. Also, stating that religion is a reason for why the world uniting isn't happening is wrong imo. It is more a symptom of what the real problem, as is hunger and poverty. The real problem is that we have created an international system that keeps poor countries poor.
Dheorl Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.01 15:33:00 - [57] It will only truly unite when there is 1 person left... unless of course that one person has schizophrenia then we've got a whole other bunch of problems.
Thorliaron	Posted - 2007.12.01 16:15:00 - [58] Since we are all fairly blood thirsty and our prisons are overflowing with morons why not bring back gladiatorial games?. It would be great, like pitting the worst killers against each other and giving them spoons and watch them work their magic on each others eye sockets.
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.12.01 16:20:00 - [59] Edited by: Araxmas on 01/12/2007 16:21:36 I think we will all unite under one banner as you say when these might happen. 1, Space travel becomes quite sophisticated (a.k.a we have more than one planet under our control and breathable)...although that's likely to not happen for a damn long while 2, An incredibly BIG war, and I mean big 3, One state conquers the others, guerilla fighting and rebelling might ensue so not best option. 4, Something threatens the world and finally shocks the idiots into realising that were all on a speck of crud floating in a big void. 5, I get to power and start my fallout fantasy. edit: oh and we will still need an enemy so we can make the cylons for that. -------- The Derek Quote Pyramid
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.12.01 16:43:00 - [60] Edited by: LUH 3471 on 01/12/2007 16:48:17 earth peace will prevail when poeple get to know themselfs better you can contribute to earth peace right here right now start by knowing yourself better the truth is most only know the top of the iceberg of their being they think they are this thoughts in their mind they think they are the mind they dont cant imagine they can exist wihtout that mind but now i dont want make you more confused as you already are

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