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CobraBytez GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:09:00 - [1] Edited by: CobraBytez on 01/12/2007 00:11:19 This is a cross-post from the Goonfleet director forums. As many of you know, Goonfleet has a severe shortage of covops pilots. To counter this, they have learned to utilize their t1 frigates and math skills (hence their nickname "nerdswarm") in dishonorable ways. As you might have guessed, I'm waiting for my roles to expire. You **ed me off for the last time, Nate Hammertown. ----- TL;DR Version for yougots: Using dark magic and employing evil sorcery I have created a set of bookmarks that will warp you wherever you want and kill slow moving bad guys. This system requires instas to three specific points above S3 in SU. There is a set of 22 bookmarks giving 5 alternate instas to these points along with origination and warpout bookmarks, it is your duty as a goonswarm pilot to claim this escrow and recopy/escrow it so that we can make our enemies weep and lament at our hax. This escrow should be labeled "GPS - SU, S3 - WTF BOOKMARKS (COPY AND RE-ESCROW!)" and now the rest of the story The Goon Positioning System (GPS) is much like GPS in real life. Your GPS unit in your car reads signals from three satellites and based on their delays it figures out how far away they are, and then based on these three distances your device tells you where on the planet you are. This involves a bit of math. It occured to me that we could do this in EVE, since distance is the one bit of info that always seem to know. So after much headache and weeks of ***** with spreadsheets, bookmarks, and cans I put this together, implemented it, and tested it. And it works. It works SURPRISINGLY WELL. (It should be mentioned I had the help of Spazzle, Rycar, Fartbubbles, and Nobu Yori among others). The first application of GPS will be a defense mechanism against slow moving, sniping battleships, and it has already been implemented and tested at S3 in SU. I have put together a training MP3 (fraps is too large/tough to edit for me) to demonstrate both the use of and the effectiveness of GPS at S3. It can be found here. If you can't listen to the MP3 here is a basic rundown of how this works. 1) A hostile snipping battleship is spotted at S3, a gang is formed and warps to a SS near S3. 2) Three frigates, covops, shuttles, or any fast warping/aligning ships are chosen to scout. They are codenamed Whiskey, Tango and Foxtrot. 3) The WTF scouts warp to their own safespot, everyone involved aligns to S3. 4) The fleet commander commands the WTF group to warp to their respective bookmarks (whiskey warps to whiskey at 15km, tango to tango at 15km, etc). 5) Whiskey reports his distance to the hostile on teamspeak, upon hearing this tango reports his, foxtrot follows. Once a scout reports his distance he escapes with an insta warpout. 6) The FC inputs these distances into a spreadsheet that is only given to the FCs. He then runs a quick sort/filter on the spreadsheet and is given the closest warpin point to the hostile, and the bookmarks involved. 7) The FC warps the gang to an intermediary safe spot, and then warps the gang to the warpin point at the distance given by the spreadsheet. 8) The sniper is hopefully tackled and killed. If you listen to that MP3 I demonstrate this whole process. I have edited it to make it play faster, but I did not edit from the time I command the frigate scouts to warp in to the time when the first point is called. The total duration from when the WTF scouts warp in to when we tackle the hostile is 1 minute 17 seconds. In this example the spreadsheet reported that we'd hit the hostile at 8.2 kilometers, and instead we hit him around 4km, he just happened to be moving closer to our warpin point, but he only moved 4km by the time we landed on him. When tested with stationary targets (cans, ships that are stopped) this system gives a margin of error around 2km.
CobraBytez GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:09:00 - [2] The grid at S3 is effective from the station between 50-250km, and the largest gaps in those distances should only be around 20km. The grid consists of 71 bookmarks (without the WTF instas) giving us 5586 points to warp to. In future deployments of GPS we will only need 50 bookmarks (I have removed redundancies while maintaining accuracy). MATH NERDS: But doesn't three distances in 3d space allow for two possible points?. Yes, but in the same way that "real life" GPS assumes you are on earth, my refference points assume the sniping battleship is not off grid, eliminating one of the points. SECURITY NERDS: Haven't you just given away all these secrets you created?. The goal of GPS is to either kill sniping battleships en masse or make the people flying them so scared that they wont use them against us (or a combination of both). Whether our enemies discover and duplicate this system or not will not effect that goal. Still I have taken some precautions, the full bookmark set and spreadsheet will only be given to trusted FCs and I have made multiple WTF instas making it harder to camp our scouts. As for the gang safe spots, there are multiple off grid points involved in the bookmark set and therefore trying to camp them all would be pointless, provided the gang isn't a slow moving cow. Also there is an assumption that the complexity of this system, both in the math and the actual conceptualizaion, will deter our enemies from just picking up a trig book and foiling our plans. WHAT I NEED FROM EVERYONE AND PLANS FOR THE FUTURE: ======================================= 1) Locate an escrow at S3 in SU called "GPS - SU, S3 - WTF BOOKMARKS (COPY AND RE-ESCROW!)". Claim this free escrow, copy at least one (if not multiple) sets and re-escrow them. There are only 22 bookmarks, even 5 at a time it will only take a few minutes to copy these! Anyone who takes a set without re-escrowing them is a douchebag and I guarantee I will give you and your mother aids! You have now done your part! You may be called at a later date to be whiskey, tango, or foxtrot - CHOOSE YOUR PATH WISELY. 2) Obviously we want this system in place at spots other than S3 in SU. I am letting my brain settle for a week or so because I'm tired of bookmarks and spreadsheets and want to mine in an apoc and kill things with an arbitrator. Once that is done and out of the way then we must begin deploying the system at other locations, starting with the 6U gate. It took me and a few other goons a week to make the set at S3, I'm hoping that this thread will encourage some goons to want to help out with this a lot. With a gang of even 10 people we could drop cans at the bookmark points and create the grid pretty quickly, maybe even in an hour or two. For now I want people to wrap this concept around their head and maybe if we're lucky we can try it out on some real hostiles should any show up in SU. 3) I've requested that an invite only sub-forum be made for a team of people crazier than myself who want to work on silly ideas like haxoring eve with excel to make it do what we want. There are already future plans for GPS that will expand beyond just sniping battleships, and other people are already pursuing those paths without any help from me. We need a place for us to discuss these ideas securely and then figure out how to deploy them when they are ready. As it is I wasn't sure how to go about publicizing GPS and I sent a lot of PMs to mittani and other goons trying to figure everything out. A forum with threads and discussion could have helped this come sooner. 4) Someone lend me an apoc, I need to mine. And stop sucking all the crok in 98q at least a little bit. Kthx.
Annaliese Witschak Minmatar	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:12:00 - [3] Spies have no honor, youre disgusting.
Darklin Eldaris Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:13:00 - [4] You COULD get on some MIT ish and do that. Or, you could get a decent covops pilot and 25 seconds later. Bam, warp in. Seems like it would be like 7 minutes faster than this method at worst. Oh, and this is the nerdiest thing I have ever heard of. Ever.
Alex Hawke Nocturnal Soldiers	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:13:00 - [5] Right.....
Gok Tor Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:15:00 - [6] hardly cheating just using an in-game system surprisingly well
faterror Sphinx Inc Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:15:00 - [7] Is it possible for other Alliances to purchase or produce under license this Goon Positioning System?
thetwilitehour Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:17:00 - [8] How is this dishonorable.. this seems awesome to me, one of the greatest things about Eve is the variety of ways you can play it. Huge amount of work though.
Misfitsa Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:24:00 - [9] SPAWN MORE BPOS DEVSWARM
Uzec GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:24:00 - [10] Edited by: Uzec on 01/12/2007 00:25:27 This is spam on coad.
torN Deception GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:26:00 - [11] STOP SELLING CARACALS ON THE MARKET!!!
Barek Ironfist Gallente eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:28:00 - [12] This seems like an amazingly intelligent system,this must have taken this person a considerable amount of time to put together. Barek
Karanth Gallente Crazy 88's	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:28:00 - [13] Lol warp to 15? RMR called, they want their instas back. All that's left... There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. Well, there's not many of us left! -Rauth
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:34:00 - [14] Didn't read but i'm sure if i lean back in my chair and drool out of the corner of my mouth, it will find a home in your post http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdd74kLxgGo
Marko Zhang Destructive Flatulence	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:39:00 - [15] Originally by: CobraBytez Fartbubbles for CEO --- [18:47:59] CCP Admiral Chamrajnagar > be safe.. enjoy killing some D2
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:49:00 - [16] Not meta gaming by any means but some serious headwork there. It gave me a brain freeze. /Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:52:00 - [17] If that's real and true then it's probably the best thing done by Goons, hell anyone in the history of Eve. But tbh I suspect elaborate BS.
CaptainMiller	Posted - 2007.12.01 00:59:00 - [18] Not really that complicated. 3 ships warp in at 3 predetermined BMs, say their range, then according to a chart which was made after hours of plotting BMs all around the gate, determine which BM to warp to. Not really "trig book" stuff. More like algebra or even lower. I don't give kudos for brillance, I give them for thinking outside the box. Just seems so clumsy and a waste of time, reinventing the wheel. Why not just train for a Cov Ops and do the same thing at every gate instead of having to plot 50ish BMs at every station, gate, POS, planet, etc in each system. I guess the description of Nerdswarm was right lol
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:12:00 - [19] You should see my own personal list of bookmarks for 3-F or EC-P8R. It's every bit as accurate as this and instant. Just ask Fink. Farham: "Remember, sometimes evolution ends in extinction."
Merrick Solipsus D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:13:00 - [20] So a sniper, knowing theres hostiles in system, sees 3 of said hostiles at different bookmarks around the gate, and actually stays there long enough for these positions to be reported, run through a spreadsheet/calculator, then wait for the hostile gang to warp to him? Any pilot that stupid deserves to die.
Atama Cardel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Zhaine If that's real and true then it's probably the best thing done by Goons, hell anyone in the history of Eve. But tbh I suspect elaborate BS. It's not complicated at all really, it's just a pain to get all the bookmarks and put the spread sheet together
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:17:00 - [22] Hardwork paying 'dividends'. Gj. [Balance] The Caldari problem.
Gjs312 The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:19:00 - [23] This is probably the most overcomplicated solution to a non existant problem that I have ever seen. However, I do thank you from the deepest depths of my cold heart for bringing it here for our entertainment fine sir .
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:23:00 - [24] impressive! /me reboots brain Free Corporation website? click here Trinity Corporate Services
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:27:00 - [25] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 01/12/2007 01:27:04 It takes a noob, dedicated alt around 30-40d to train for Buzzard/Anathema/Helios/Cheetah. Though this can work - and probably does, it is a waste of time. Rifter is not X-Wing CCP. Trinity model kinda sucks.
Technix Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:35:00 - [26] This is why Goons are doing what they are. simply.Impressive.
Katjia Minmatar Shadows of Valor Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:39:00 - [27] Actually this is not a waste of time...to those that believe the "just train covert ops" idea.. you loose a combat capable pilot in a covert ops frig just to get on target now with this idea if it is true or works you can maintain DPS and combat pilots while your 3 scouts can be your tackle/ support later on. This is perfect did something similair to this in provi not as complicated but it wasn't as accurate either. Great job if it's true... I bought a computer with vista and all i got was a "smart" paperweight.
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:40:00 - [28] Originally by: faterror Is it possible for other Alliances to purchase or produce under license this Goon Positioning System? thread over imo p.s. didnt read it all but 200 mil sounds good...y/n? The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:46:00 - [29] heh what a nub that's not a director forum anyways.
Surreptitious Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.01 01:48:00 - [30] Thats some smart $hit right there,,,, love it. And it could potentially screw CCP with the bookmark nerf. Double win! Syrup
CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 02:34:00 - [31] I think we did this because training astrometrics was a waste of time, at the time.
FireAnt Caldari Wings of the Storm	Posted - 2007.12.01 02:42:00 - [32] i think i perfer your crapsmackthreads than this garbage.
CobraBytez GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.12.01 02:46:00 - [33] Originally by: Aprudena Gist heh what a nub that's not a director forum anyways. If there is any forum more exclusive than SGBS, I'd like to see it.
JeanPaul Sartre 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.12.01 02:51:00 - [34] It's as cunning as a fox thats just been made professor of cunning at Oxford university. -- Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.12.01 03:32:00 - [35] If you are trying to get people to stand against Goons with their "GPS", you FAIL. It's like saying that everyone that uses the Jumplanner Tool to move capitals is a cheater. EVERYONE USES OUT OF GAME TOOLS. Get used to it.
Vhero Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.12.01 03:43:00 - [36] Quote: Bonus: 25% bonus to cloaked velocity per Black Ops level theres your warp in. slap some overdrives on, you'll move at a decent pace.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.12.01 03:58:00 - [37] The most damaging aspect of this revelation is the death of Goonswarms' rep as a bunch of...well...goons. My hat off to their braintrust.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 04:05:00 - [38] goons are dishonorable for using mathmatics and you sir are a dishonorable spy
OozoO Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 04:11:00 - [39] bunny Do not discuss moderator actions or troll in your sig. -Kaemonn Email if you understand and your sig will be unlocked.([email protected])
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.01 04:28:00 - [40] Originally by: OozoO bunny Look at dat bunny I driks lot signature removed- Jacques([email protected]) Next mod that nerfs my sig gets a **** punch
Ashaii GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 04:37:00 - [41] Originally by: OozoO I approve of this rabbit, and/or service.
OklahomaCity Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 04:53:00 - [42] I'm not up to much man, how's everything on your end bud? keep crankin' that solja boi. Love, OKLAHOMACITY P.S. remember that hamburger from burger king 3 years ago? LOLOLOLOLOL
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2007.12.01 05:00:00 - [43] This is actually quite clever, if you know your distance, your 3 scouts distances you can figure it out. It is totally within game mechanics, its just like the calculations to say newt a mothership's cap in 30 seconds, time vs cost to research a titan bpo, all of it is done with a little math. This is just an application of math that we should have learned in our geometry class. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Irongut M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2007.12.01 05:13:00 - [44] Sounds overcomplicated and requires extensive time to set up all those bookmarks so really only of use in a friendly system. Much easier, quicker and more versatile to just train some covops pilots tbfh. Join M8S Racing Team sponsored by Frontier Technologies!
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.12.01 05:16:00 - [45] Originally by: dastommy79 Originally by: OozoO bunny Look at dat bunny Lookin' at dat bunny -- ADVL CEO. LootTrack Sales KB
Brother Theos Amarr Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.01 05:18:00 - [46] I can't believe what I've just read. You're seriously suggesting that people (well Goons anyway) use Excel to assist them to play EVE. Surely this is some kind of haxor exploit. I thought even having a Microsoft product installed on a computer that also has EVE installed on it is against the EULA. What is the world coming to... /me shakes head
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 06:01:00 - [47] gotta say im a little surprised how many pubs have fallen for this particular troll it's a cool system back before probing was done, we used it around s-u s3 to compensate for our total and utter lack of t2 snipers back around march 06, since the whole corp was based around a single station it was useful despite the cumbersome initial setup
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.01 07:06:00 - [48] Edited by: Plutoinum on 01/12/2007 07:14:44 Yes, think it's a clever idea. Could have needed that during the times, when we got got into trouble with GMs for dropping cans as warpin to deal with snipers like over one year ago. Think for most people it would have been just too much hassle. Anyway, would have liked to see the responses of the victims, who had no clue, how they got caught. I approve of such tactics ofc. edit: nvm, missed the point that the spreadsheat also spits out intermediate bms, which reduces the number of bms to achieve a good warp-in ofc. Nifty system.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.01 07:17:00 - [49] I don't get it. goons played smart (OMFG!) and that's metagaming? ...wait, it might actually be not. --- planetary interaction idea!
MisEllaneous Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.01 07:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Technix This is why Goons are doing what they are. simply.Impressive. did u have to wipe after this post?
CaptainMiller	Posted - 2007.12.01 07:35:00 - [51] Edited by: CaptainMiller on 01/12/2007 07:35:00 Originally by: The Mittani gotta say im a little surprised how many pubs have fallen for this particular troll Looks like someone is trying to act like his alliance aren't nerds. We all love playing tough guy with our fake internet spaceships too....we're all nerds too brosef.
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.12.01 07:39:00 - [52] if you play an MMO, you're a nerd, maybe just a 21st century nerd, but nerd just the same
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.01 10:16:00 - [53] TBH that sounds pretty awesome. Sig removed for the third time, inappropriate content. Sig Locked. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Doosh Bagitis THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2007.12.01 10:52:00 - [54] must be a joke, it's called Goon Positioning System
olzi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 11:12:00 - [55] How many fakeposts does cobra have to do before CAOD catches up to him. You'd think after the "Largest heist in eve history" bs thread no one would believe him. But yeah, there was once such a system, who knows how many years ago. Or the thing was a goonpranke and rumours from the start.
FOFOFOF CRAPSTORM	Posted - 2007.12.01 11:17:00 - [56] Efficient or not, GREAT work... The intelligence in this post refreshed me...
Ormen Tuttle Caldari Intergalactic Amalgamated Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.01 11:19:00 - [57] Originally by: Annaliese Witschak Spies have no honor, youre disgusting. I have to side with the Goons on this one. They have worked hard to over come their lack of covops and have used their heads to create a system that works for them. One point for being smart and another for being innovative. Ormen Tuttle http://www.ahnog.us
Jeremy Paxman Special Doc	Posted - 2007.12.01 11:23:00 - [58] lol escrow lol warp to 15
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.12.01 11:44:00 - [59] Originally by: The Mittani gotta say im a little surprised how many pubs have fallen for this particular troll it's a cool system back before probing was done, we used it around s-u s3 to compensate for our total and utter lack of t2 snipers back around march 06, since the whole corp was based around a single station it was useful despite the cumbersome initial setup Don't listen to him, he's trying to cover up for this horrible intelligence leak. He's trying to downplay their superweapon. Now that the secret is out, we all know not to fly into triangles. Goons are ******. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.01 12:11:00 - [60] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 01/12/2007 12:12:08 Wow. Thats some awesome thinking there. Never thought you can use triangulation from 3 scouts for selecting warp-in points in this manner O_o. EDIT: ...even if this is old
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.01 12:15:00 - [61] Your tactical brilliance is really starting to shine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdd74kLxgGo
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.12.01 12:52:00 - [62] Hum, 50 BM per spot... say a station and 3 gates per system, average... 200 BM per system... way to much work to be really effective, imho... ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2007.12.01 12:53:00 - [63] You said fartbubbles. eheheheheh The rest of it I didn't understand.
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.01 13:05:00 - [64] Total backfire on OP's crap attempts at flaming GS. You fail utterly. KIA - Don't ask me, I was off grid.
TRYPTIC The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.12.01 16:07:00 - [65] I use this kind of math in my day job. It's commonly called a "distance-distance" intersection, also called a "resection". Simply put, you're solving a triangle using the Pythagorean Theorem ("A"squared + "B"squared = "C"squared). It's very easily calculated with any scientic calculator. But what's the sense of doing it when you have cov-op ships? I play the game for fun...not as an extension of my day job Regards, Tryp
consider telos Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.01 16:45:00 - [66] Heh, overly complicated and clever. I like it.
Yosarian Hand Of The Tahiri Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.12.01 16:45:00 - [67] Clever stuff. Setting up all those bookmarks though... you have serious patience
FOFOFOF CRAPSTORM	Posted - 2007.12.01 16:48:00 - [68] Originally by: TRYPTIC I use this kind of math in my day job. It's commonly called a "distance-distance" intersection, also called a "resection". Simply put, you're solving a triangle using the Pythagorean Theorem ("A"squared + "B"squared = "C"squared). It's very easily calculated with any scientic calculator. But what's the sense of doing it when you have cov-op ships? I play the game for fun...not as an extension of my day job Regards, Tryp jealous Regards, no of your business
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 17:41:00 - [69] we used this system during a time when covops cloaks were 80m ISK each and the average skillpoints of a goonfleet member was 4m just fyi i.e. before revelations 1
Ungdall Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 17:42:00 - [70] :cripes: What's wrong with you people?
Gjs312 The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.01 18:04:00 - [71] There are lots of incredibly dumb people posting in this thread atm, I think this reminds me why I dont comre here often .
Gjs312 The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.01 18:07:00 - [72] I R NOT SUNDERSTANDING THIS IS NOT REALLY HACKING!?!?
Shimali Softpaws Free Lapland	Posted - 2007.12.01 18:10:00 - [73] Working for a federal agency, I can definitely say that this doesn't involve enough paperwork to succeed on goonswarms scale.
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 18:11:00 - [74] Originally by: Gjs312 There are lots of incredibly dumb people posting in this thread atm, I think this reminds me why I dont comre here often . Come here more so you can laugh at them.
WrathOfOprah Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.01 18:15:00 - [75] wow. blast from the past.
Sanka Cofie Amarr Nubs.	Posted - 2007.12.01 18:29:00 - [76] The GOON-BoB War is alot like the Football War of 1969 fought over six days between El Salvador and Honduras... -[WillChat4ISK]- I can be the handsome Amarr space captain. You can be the helpless Minmatar slave girl.
Kitukia Gallente Trioptimum	Posted - 2007.12.01 18:32:00 - [77] Ironically this idea is almost as bad as the goons K/D ratio.
Rachel Andoris Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.12.01 18:50:00 - [78] This is a very cool idea! How long will it be before we see the Goon Positioning System in module form? Any idea on the fitting requirements? Will it fit on a velator? Will there be a civilian version??? AEWSOME WORK!!!!
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.12.02 00:42:00 - [79] Okay, seriously. Snoop probe, maxed skills and rigs==something like 19 seconds with a 10% implant. Impressive that you've gone to this effort, but seriously, this is like people who use faction damage mods without Surgical Strike V. Just train for 15 more days, ffs. Oh, and your error is not 2 km. It's the cube root of (infintesimally-smaller-than-) 6., or around 1.817 km. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.02 01:02:00 - [80] Originally by: Pilk Okay, seriously. Snoop probe, maxed skills and rigs==something like 19 seconds with a 10% implant. Impressive that you've gone to this effort, but seriously, this is like people who use faction damage mods without Surgical Strike V. Just train for 15 more days, ffs. Oh, and your error is not 2 km. It's the cube root of (infintesimally-smaller-than-) 6., or around 1.817 km. --P I guess this idea came up, when you still needed 3 probes to probe and it took longer and the usual derivation was around 60km with snoops. And like someone said, when most Goons didn't have the skills. The new probing version: 'I probe someone down in only 20 seconds and get warp-in right on top of him' is rather new. Less than 1 1/2 years old.
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.12.02 01:08:00 - [81] Originally by: Plutoinum Originally by: Pilk Okay, seriously. Snoop probe, maxed skills and rigs==something like 19 seconds with a 10% implant. Impressive that you've gone to this effort, but seriously, this is like people who use faction damage mods without Surgical Strike V. Just train for 15 more days, ffs. Oh, and your error is not 2 km. It's the cube root of (infintesimally-smaller-than-) 6., or around 1.817 km. --P I guess this idea came up, when you still needed 3 probes to probe and it took longer and the usual derivation was around 60km with snoops. And like someone said, when most Goons didn't have the skills. The new probing version: 'I probe someone down in only 20 seconds and get warp-in right on top of him' is rather new. Less than 1 1/2 years old. True. I missed putting two and two together with the mention of "15 km warps". Ah well, nothing like getting trolled by some nice math. MP Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.02 01:12:00 - [82] Just for anyone who does not know how so 2006 this is, this is pre single probe, when GS lived in Syndicate. KIA - Don't ask me, I was off grid.
Papa Ina GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.02 01:16:00 - [83] I think I was in maybe 2 gangs ever that used this. And it did work. Then CCP fixed astrometrics. Still it was a nice demonstration on what you could do with actual intelligence rather than skill points.
ThaDollaGenerale Perkone	Posted - 2007.12.02 03:11:00 - [84] That's really impressive. Give it to them GF
Rakso Smith	Posted - 2007.12.02 03:11:00 - [85] nice
LastTraitorStanding Amarr The Imperial Assassins	Posted - 2007.12.03 16:53:00 - [86] MATHS! -------------------------------- Semper ubi sub ubi
Kin Hanyerec Applied Eugenics Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.12.03 17:09:00 - [87] Not new but nice.
Quasar Black Minmatar Rens 911	Posted - 2007.12.03 17:21:00 - [88] This was freaking magic back then. Especially to one as mathematically challenged as myself. Of course CCP went and made probing a ton easier (And most importantly, faster) a few weeks later, rendering the work unnecessary.
Salastil Rens 911	Posted - 2007.12.03 18:37:00 - [89] I think we only had one set as it was so brutal to make, it worked amazingly though.
Trzzbk Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:53:00 - [90] Originally by: Zhaine If that's real and true then it's probably the best thing done by Goons, hell anyone in the history of Eve. But tbh I suspect elaborate BS. No, it actually worked. We had a lot of free time when we lived in Syndicate. And to the people saying "Get a Covops newbs!", this was during RMR, where you needed 3 snoops more than 45 seconds to get a probe result. --------- Hurr.
fathitman Gallente Woopatang The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.03 23:24:00 - [91] GPS = Waste of life
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.12.04 00:57:00 - [92] Sounds like a pretty ****** system. What self respecting sniper BS is gonna sit there as local fills up with 5 pilots. ----------------- Friends Forever**
Unsane Molibdenus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.04 04:54:00 - [93] Edited by: Unsane Molibdenus on 04/12/2007 04:55:01 Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Sounds like a pretty ******** system. What self respecting sniper BS is gonna sit there as local fills up with 5 pilots. This was back when we were in S-U, there were typically 300+ in local at primetime, and never less then 100. This was also before they nerfed stabs, so all the snipers had at least one. That was when were still noobswarm, fish in a barrel!
Taedrin Gallente Magellan Exploration and Survey Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.12.04 05:16:00 - [94] 8/10 You lose points on escrow and warp to 15km. But an excellent post nonetheless, thanks to actual intelligent tactics for pre-warp-to-0km. Also remember that back then, probing was much harder (though I had never tried it back then)...
Scruffy Jed GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.04 08:33:00 - [95] Ahaha, I remember this. I helped test it once or twice, although I can't remember who made it. It was absolute magic and, if the FC was accustomed to the process, took about 30 seconds from the time WTF got the order to warp in to when the target was tackled. At the time, that was quite a bit faster than probing. Besides which, we had maybe 20 goons who could fly covops, of which maybe 5 actually had them on hand. Furthermore,
Qual Gallente Cornexant Research	Posted - 2007.12.04 08:47:00 - [96] I was once working on something similar, though the coverage was for a grater area and only using 8 bookmarks and two covert pilots. As such different, but many of the same ideas. Cudos to you if it really worked as well as claimed. My system never did... "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:11:00 - [97] Brilliant idea. Did you worked out what was the minimal amount of bookmarks for warping gang with given warp accuracy? 50 sounds like a bit too many for 20km accuracy and I think you don't need less than scramble range accuracy anyway. To those who see it as a cheat and metagaming: if you don't like using spreadsheet you can make all the calculations in your head.
De'Zori legion of qui Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:50:00 - [98] Originally by: Merrick Solipsus So a sniper, knowing theres hostiles in system, sees 3 of said hostiles at different bookmarks around the gate, and actually stays there long enough for these positions to be reported, run through a spreadsheet/calculator, then wait for the hostile gang to warp to him? Any pilot that stupid deserves to die. qft. thread owned,knocked the fck out,raed and thrown away
Ventro69 Caldari Manson Family Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:13:00 - [99] Get a hobby that doesn't involve spreadsheets.
x racer Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:47:00 - [100] 2005 called, they want their tactics back. *But, but, but, DB Preacher told me there are* no goons!**
ry ry StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:09:00 - [101] Eve is all about the spreadsheets. if they're getting this to work for them, fair play tbh. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
General Windypops Gallente Skullduggery Inc	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:38:00 - [102] It's a good job Goons don't take the game too seriously. Oh, wait.
DogTyred Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.12.04 13:25:00 - [103] much as i dislike Goons I can see no cheat here, whether its worth all the effort is another matter......but nobody ever said Goons had to make sence.....
Ticl Er Sweetrock Mining Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:24:00 - [104] Originally by: Karanth Lol warp to 15? RMR called, they want their instas back. I like meeting people who have been playing the game for years and still hasn't managed to learn the very basics of the game. HINT: right click is your friend.
JeanPaul Sartre 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.12.04 16:02:00 - [105] Originally by: Ticl Er I like meeting people who have been playing the game for years and still hasn't managed to learn the very basics of the game. HINT: right click is your friend. Indeed. Myself, and I suspect many others, would greatly benefit from a "Basics Workshop" to teach us one or two of these neat tricks. Perhaps KOS could step up and host one? -- Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
Tranca Phoenix Propulsion Labs	Posted - 2007.12.04 18:19:00 - [106] Originally by: Surreptitious Thats some smart $hit right there,,,, love it. And it could potentially screw CCP with the bookmark nerf. Double win! Syrup I forsee CCP pulling ALL bookmarks then soon to counter it. You heard it here first.
huxorator Intergalactic Serenity R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.06 09:38:00 - [107] Originally by: Irongut Sounds overcomplicated and requires extensive time to set up all those bookmarks so really only of use in a friendly system. Works with hostile systems as well. You put your three pilots named Whiskey, Tango and Foxtrott into Covert Ops Frigates. These guys move out and bookmark the systems cloaked. After that, they hop into their T1 Frigates and warp in to report the distance for their fleet. Perfect! I can't believe how deadly and precise Goons operate. --- IGS \| Intergalactic Serenity

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