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Presidente Gallente
Pirate Hunters Inc
Exa Nation
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Posted - 2007.12.01 11:09:00 -
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I have no idea if that is +a bug˝ or a +new feature˝.
The nerf of Myrm is anyway too much actually.
It had been better to take away one heavy drone for combat instead of 2 and keep the drone bay to 6 like actually.
My latest experience on SISI shows up that this wasn't enough.
When you get damaged drones in and you re-launch them the shield is still at zero.
That means the drones will die under the next attack faster the more they are in armor and structure.
You have no recharged shield backup anymore and this is another additional nerf to the Myrm.
Can someone give me an answer if that is how drones actually work or do we expect a change to the old +shield recharged˝ method when the official Trinity is coming.
Actually the Myrm is a dead ship IMO.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.12.01 11:12:00 -
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They have said that drone shields won't recharge anymore in one of the dev posts.
I don't fly gall ships and I think that change seems a bit unnecessary.
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ISD STAR
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Posted - 2007.12.01 11:13:00 -
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.12.01 11:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Frug
They have said that drone shields won't recharge anymore in one of the dev posts.
I don't fly gall ships and I think that change seems a bit unnecessary.
The downside to drones has always been that by attacking them, your opponent decreases your DPS. Insta-recharge eliminated this more or less, with sentries being the most abusable. This change makes nothing but sense.
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Kala Veijo
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.01 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kala Veijo on 01/12/2007 11:20:21
>> Launch drone wave 1.
Drone wave 1 gets beaten to pulp.
>> Scoop drone wave 1.
>> Launch drone wave 2.
When wave 2 gets beaten to pulp you¦ll drop the wave 1 out again. You keep cycling drone waves untill: A. Target is dead B. You¦re dead C. All your waves are dead.
Oh and drone shield recharge when they¦re in dronebay. Not instant recharge but recharge nonetheless.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.12.01 11:20:00 -
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Yes, that's the design. And its only for Gallente ships.
CCP doesn't like you Gallente anymore. It's part of the Amarr "oomph" project.
Originally by: Presidente Gallente
You have no recharged shield backup anymore and this is another additional nerf to the Myrm.
See, this would be you focusing on just your favorite ship. ALL drone users get nerfed by this, not just the Myrm. And shockingly, not just Gallente use drones.
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2007.12.01 11:24:00 -
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Drones continue to recharge their shields in bay just as they would if they were launched but with a constant recharge per time. Instant recharge is out of the window!
Calling the myrmi a dead ship because of it is stupid though. Its still an excellent ship just not as good as before. Your drones are now actually killable even if you know what you do, but if you use only mediums you'll have enough spares to outlast a fight.
I had personally taken away turret slots and pg from the myrmi and give it a decent dronebay with 125m¦ bandwidth instead. Same for the eos but somehow CCP decided to go the other way.
But seriously a few weeks ago you already made a whine post about how you cannot break tanks with the new myrmi. I mean honestly where is your dignity? Myrmi is awesome atm and will still be pretty good after the changes. Nothing to see here.
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Naviset
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Posted - 2007.12.01 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiun
Drones continue to recharge their shields in bay just as they would if they were launched but with a constant recharge per time. Instant recharge is out of the window!
Calling the myrmi a dead ship because of it is stupid though. Its still an excellent ship just not as good as before. Your drones are now actually killable even if you know what you do, but if you use only mediums you'll have enough spares to outlast a fight.
I had personally taken away turret slots and pg from the myrmi and give it a decent dronebay with 125m¦ bandwidth instead. Same for the eos but somehow CCP decided to go the other way.
But seriously a few weeks ago you already made a whine post about how you cannot break tanks with the new myrmi. I mean honestly where is your dignity? Myrmi is awesome atm and will still be pretty good after the changes. Nothing to see here.
CCP decided to do BOTH to the Eos :-P As well as nerf its bay and its warfare links <3
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Aerin Cloudfayr
Extreme Addiction
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.01 12:10:00 -
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This kindof makes the Myrmi fly like the description states - something about trying to encourage pod pilot survivability by staying back out of the fight and managing to outlast the opponent or something. Using medium drones, you should do well enough as a gang support ship, Solo PVP with this beggar is out of the window now though - which makes the Brutix worth flying for that purpose i would guess...
Myrm isn't dead, the solo pvp flight style for it is.
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Presidente Gallente
Pirate Hunters Inc
Exa Nation
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Posted - 2007.12.01 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr
Myrm isn't dead, the solo pvp flight style for it is.
That is what I meant!
For solo PvP it's now a piece of crap.
Why did CCP change from white to black and not inbetween?
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goomba freehand
Polaris Project
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.01 12:17:00 -
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solo pv is not dead with this ship at all. just use T2 meds and a full rack of blasters and you can still do alot of damage and out tank them. the only ship that is now dead from this patch is the eos
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2007.12.01 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr
Myrm isn't dead, the solo pvp flight style for it is.
No it isnt? Gosh some gallenteans are really spoiled. Ship isnt the be all end all anymore -> i don't fly it.
Cane might arguably be better now but thats about it. How does this keep you from soloing in the ship?
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Riho
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2007.12.01 12:31:00 -
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posting in myrm whine thread 1000000000000000000223124145
adapt or die
take your pick
PS: yes im a myrm/eos pilot so i know what im talking about
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2007.12.01 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Naviset
CCP decided to do BOTH to the Eos :-P As well as nerf its bay and its warfare links <3
Yeah, usual ccp style. If they decide to nerf a ship it usually gets totally overkilled. This is not true for the myrmi though.
And from that point of view one can actually be grateful that the ship is still pretty viable after patch.
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Elias Modron
Lucretia Seven
Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2007.12.01 12:59:00 -
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I really am getting very, very sick of all the drone whining going on.
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Polly Prissypantz
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Posted - 2007.12.01 13:37:00 -
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I like the Myrm a lot. But just because I like a ship doesn't mean it doesn't need fixing. The Myrm was overpowered for a tech 1 battlecruiser. The drone bandwidth brings it down a notch so that it's a bit more in line with it's other battlecruiser brethren.
As to the drones not getting instant shields? Sure, it sucks, but it isn't a Myrm nerf - it's a nerf in general. And to be honest, probably was necessary. I know I sure have abused the drone instant shield regen in my time, both in PvP and missions.
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Lexiana Del'Amore
Gallente
Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Posted - 2007.12.01 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
CCP doesn't like you Gallente anymore. It's part of the Amarr "oomph" project.
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Fedman Kasad
Minmatar
Bulgarian Mafia Squad
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2007.12.01 14:25:00 -
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Dear god people, the patch is not even out yet and there are countless whine threads about X ship being killed by CCP.
Honestly, this **** happens at every patch, why can't people just STFU and stop crying for a while? Things are, as they are, deal with it.
I am not saying CCP are flawless and all their decisions are perfect, but you can be sure that the people who actually design those changes have a much more GENERAL look at the game mechanics than any of you and don't just randomly jump to decisions.
Also, claiming that a general change of a game mechanic is actually a nerf of a single ship is so close-minded that you automatically lose all creditability to make a point.
On top of that, i do believe the bandwidth is a good decision. It would probably need some more tweaking to balance things, but that will come with time.
Having a nano cruiser field BS sized weapons(Nano Ishtar with Heavy Drones anyone?) wasn't all that balanced either now, was it?
In short:
CRY MORE NOOBS :/
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.12.01 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: LUH 3471 on 01/12/2007 14:40:59
insta recharge sucks so does this slow rehcarge rate we have now
so we need recharge rate inbetween those two extremes
go ccp go
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Polly Prissypantz
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Posted - 2007.12.01 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Fedman Kasad
Having a nano cruiser field BS sized weapons(Nano Ishtar with Heavy Drones anyone?) wasn't all that balanced either now, was it?
You do realise that the Ishtar will have 125m3 bandwidth, right? =P
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Fedman Kasad
Minmatar
Bulgarian Mafia Squad
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2007.12.01 14:48:00 -
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I said it might need more polishing, didn't I? ;)
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Banzai OdiN
Caldari
Species 5618
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.01 15:07:00 -
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My opinion, give the guys with the higher sp slack, introduce skills with high reqs that buff these drones significantly but need severral months in pre reqs eg.
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Fedman Kasad
Minmatar
Bulgarian Mafia Squad
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2007.12.01 15:09:00 -
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What would that achieve? Enlarge the gap between newbies and oldbies EVEN more?
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Kadoes Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.01 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Banzai OdiN
My opinion, give the guys with the higher sp slack, introduce skills with high reqs that buff these drones significantly but need severral months in pre reqs eg.
I don't see that as a great idea as it makes your training more important than your skills as a pilot.
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Eska Royson
Gallente
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.12.01 15:51:00 -
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I fly a Myrm. Have done for a long time.
Being unable to launch 5 Heavies anymore doesn't phase me in the slightest. I use the Myrm in a PvE context, and launching 5 Ogres isn't practical. They can't hit frigs (and frigs are present in levels 1 through 4), and they're slooooow, so if aggro switches onto them, they'll take an age to get back. Once one is popped, I'm down to 4 drones. That's a significant DPS drop. I'm happy packing 12 mediums instead. They can hit everything, can take down anything (granted, a bit longer for a BS) and I've got 12 if any get popped. Plus, they're quicker.
The bandwidth is NOT a nerf for me.
However, that said... the shield recharge, or lack thereof... I think I'll need to play about with it before making judgement. I'm willing to adapt, however, rather than whine. Because that's the nature of Eve :)
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William DeMeo
Gallente
the united
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Posted - 2007.12.01 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Fedman Kasad
Dear god people, the patch is not even out yet and there are countless whine threads about X ship being killed by CCP.
Honestly, this **** happens at every patch, why can't people just STFU and stop crying for a while? Things are, as they are, deal with it.
I am not saying CCP are flawless and all their decisions are perfect, but you can be sure that the people who actually design those changes have a much more GENERAL look at the game mechanics than any of you and don't just randomly jump to decisions.
Also, claiming that a general change of a game mechanic is actually a nerf of a single ship is so close-minded that you automatically lose all creditability to make a point.
On top of that, i do believe the bandwidth is a good decision. It would probably need some more tweaking to balance things, but that will come with time.
Having a nano cruiser field BS sized weapons(Nano Ishtar with Heavy Drones anyone?) wasn't all that balanced either now, was it?
In short:
CRY MORE NOOBS :/
You're the noob to be honest, now go add drones to overview and suck it up.
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Smacktalking Alt
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Posted - 2007.12.01 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Fedman Kasad
Having a nano cruiser field BS sized weapons(Nano Ishtar with Heavy Drones anyone?) wasn't all that balanced either now, was it?
What exactly has changed about nano Ishtars, out of curiosity?
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Helen Hunts
Gallente
Red Dragon Mining inc
Red Dragon Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.01 16:47:00 -
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As a Myrmidon pilot who loves drones, I welcome the changes that Trinity will bring. No flights of 5 Ogres...aww gee...where's the problem? No insta-recharge...I guess we'll have to actually do a little thinking and planning now. 
But on the plus side, the new drone controls will make life for a droneboat pilot just a little easier than before. Expanded dronebays can only be a plus unless you don't use drones at all. (or are on the recieving endof the expanded drone-swarms)
Adapt, or die by those who have. I'm adapting just fine, how about you?
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Endo Dy
Gallente
Enrave
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.01 17:38:00 -
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Myrmidon pre-Trinity: overpowered through the roof.
Myrmidon after nerf: more balanced, remaining one hell of a ship.
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Nalena Arlath
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Posted - 2007.12.01 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Endo Dy
Myrmidon pre-Trinity: overpowered through the roof.
Myrmidon after nerf: more balanced, remaining one hell of a ship.
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People will always complain when their "poon-boats" get adjusted to more balanced levels.
It's a law of nature in MMO's.
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