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pwnedgato	Posted - 2007.12.02 16:17:00 - [1] Edited by: pwnedgato on 02/12/2007 16:18:06 Edited by: pwnedgato on 02/12/2007 16:17:56 My Ipod finally crapped out on me so it's time for a new mp3 player! I'd like it to have a very good batt. life (12h+) and at least 15 gb of storage. Nifty features are a + any recommendations? I'd like a real sig feel free to share ideas on one.
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.12.02 17:06:00 - [2] Just get another iPod. My iPod packed in a few years back (due to me being clumsy and not the iPod dying of its own accord); I bought a Creative Zen to replace it and it's just not as good. The iPod has far more features, and I miss all my old iTunes songs. So, after Christmas, I think I'll be buying one of the new iPod Mini's. Most people who hate the iPod only do so because it's so popular; but, in all honesty, it's the best MP3 player out there. Hell is other people's ringtones.
Mtthias Clemi Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:25:00 - [3] In what way does the ipod have more features... im curious how you've worked that out. Zens are top notch, had my 8gb V+ for a while now, and had a micrphoto before that, both fantastic. also means i dont have to deal with that insane mess that is itunes, ew. I like the look of the new ZEN itself. Why don't you have a gander on here. Linkage -------------------------------------------- THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE!
Kyrall Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:54:00 - [4] I surprised myself when I came to the conclusion that my bother would be better off getting an ipod, he doesn't know all that much about computers, I can just about explain to him what DRM is and how to avoid it (thankfully).An ipod is just easier for someone like him, itunes is pretty easy to use. For anyone with a bit more computer knowledge however, I would never recommend an ipod. I don't hate ipods because they are popular, I hate them because they have less features and battery life, but cost more than the alternatives. To the OP: I'm not sure which I would recommend, but I have heard that Archos, Iriver and Creative are among the better brands, when looking at factors such as battery life, usability and (the most important one) lack of DRM "features", ie you can just plug it in and drag music on and off, with no restrictions. - Take another step back until you find you've walked away...
pwnedgato	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:54:00 - [5] I've heard that zens can be... touchy with what software they work with. I'd rally rather not have to use WMP with it I hate WMP almost as much as Real play... I mean Itunes. I'd like a real sig feel free to share ideas on one.
Hydraxian Gallente Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:31:00 - [6] Ive had my zen micro for about 2.5 year now.... never had any probs with it. Used to use WMP for transfer, since moved onto winamp which imo is the best music player ive used on pc.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:45:00 - [7] Why do you need an mp3 player, a mobile phone, a PDA, etc, when you can have everything in one? Just get a decent phone, no I am not talking iPhone here, not until there is a proper SDK with apps. I like mine. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
pwnedgato	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:53:00 - [8] Does the sony hold 15 gb of music? I'd like a real sig feel free to share ideas on one.
Kyrall Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Ryysa Why do you need an mp3 player, a mobile phone, a PDA, etc, when you can have everything in one? Just get a decent phone, no I am not talking iPhone here, not until there is a proper SDK with apps. I like mine. Well the OP did ask about 15GB+ players, show me a phone with that much storage! Actually my 40GB sony vaio (nice player, absolutely horrible software, which you have to use, do not buy!) is now full up so I wouldn't mind getting an 80GB player, anyone know if there are any out there?! It seems hard drive mp3 players have fallen out of fashion lately, a quick search brought up one 30GB model, the rest were flash memory ones at 8Gb or less... - Take another step back until you find you've walked away...
pwnedgato	Posted - 2007.12.02 20:06:00 - [10] 15gb is really the bare minimum for me since that is just my "popular" music. I also have another 10 or so gb of classical music. Not to mention a ton of videos I'd like to carry around. I'd like a real sig feel free to share ideas on one.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.02 22:04:00 - [11] Edited by: Ryysa on 02/12/2007 22:04:50 Phone holds 8Gb thanks to exchangeable cards. Also, you never need 40gb of music storage in your player, unless you store all your music in 320kbit mp3 or w/e. I have 200 gigs of music on my computer, doesn't mean I must have EVERY track with me at any time. And if I need that one track, I can easily download it to my phone from my PC via 3G. Just fyi, I seriously suggest you shake hands with Mr. AAC+... EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Mtthias Clemi Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.12.02 22:11:00 - [12] i have 5gb of music... -------------------------------------------- THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE!
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.02 23:12:00 - [13] i have 74Gb of music and videos on my 80gb ipod atm Originally by: CYVOK ...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****. -CYVOK-
pwnedgato	Posted - 2007.12.02 23:31:00 - [14] Edited by: pwnedgato on 02/12/2007 23:32:53 I listen to music almost constantly, so I just press shuffle then go/ I do like to carry all of my music with me for that reason. Also I do try to get all my tracks in the highest quality available I don't understand how anyone can listen to stuff at 192kb/s let alone 128... Edit: also I like carrying around 2 separate electronic devices if I don't keep one in each pocket I feel unbalanced. (maybe it's a bit of ocd) I'd like a real sig feel free to share ideas on one.
QwaarJet Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.02 23:33:00 - [15] I recently bought a Samsung YP-K3 2Gig MP3 player for 55ú...It's very sleek, great touch interface and a good all round package.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.03 00:31:00 - [16] Edited by: Ryysa on 03/12/2007 00:35:08 Originally by: pwnedgato I listen to music almost constantly, so I just press shuffle then go/ I do like to carry all of my music with me for that reason. Also I do try to get all my tracks in the highest quality available I don't understand how anyone can listen to stuff at 192kb/s let alone 128... Wait, you are using MP3 in your portable player? Well, I guess you are, since your player is from stoneage. Just fyi, 64kbit AAC+ is of higher quality in a listening blind test for me than 220 kbit VBR mp3 (which is better quality than a 256 CBR MP3), on multiple occasions. Don't blame bitrates for the fact, that you are using an ancient encoding technology. Also, may I ask what kind of headphones you are using? It's not like you will feel a difference between 192kbit VBR properly encoded MP3 and 320kbit MP3 on generic earbuds. But yeah, if you need close to full transparency, I personally can't make out the difference between 320kbit MP3 and 96kbit AAC+. That with DJ Phones, and having mixed music close to three years now. No offence, but I doubt you are /so/ special, that you can hear the difference. Anyhow, before you start throwing around bitrates, do familiarize yourself what bitrate means, and in which context it applies. Saying that 128kbit HE-AAC has crap quality will make you a laughing stock, as it's better than 320kbit MP3. Quote: Edit: also I like carrying around 2 separate electronic devices if I don't keep one in each pocket I feel unbalanced. (maybe it's a bit of ocd) I guess both of your reproductive organs need an equal dosage of radiation Also, "all of your music"... Well, you got a tiny collection compared to mine then, and I never feel the urge to have all the stuff around, just what I feel like at the moment. For me, one device for all, means less other devices to lose, and less room to use. But w/e. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 00:35:00 - [17] Cowon iAudio X5. - Capacity - Battery Life - All-In-One Music Pirating Device - Plays video too - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.03 00:40:00 - [18] Originally by: Ryysa Why do you need an mp3 player, a mobile phone, a PDA, etc, when you can have everything in one? Just get a decent phone, no I am not talking iPhone here, not until there is a proper SDK with apps. I like mine. Why have something that is decent at everything when you can have several things which are each exceptional at their particular task? - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.03 00:40:00 - [19] Edited by: Ryysa on 03/12/2007 00:40:16 Basically what I am trying to say is, get something that supports newer audio formats than LC-AAC and MP3 (eAAC and HE-AAC aka AAC+ in particular). Since that will effectively double/triple your storage. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
pwnedgato	Posted - 2007.12.03 00:50:00 - [20] Edited by: pwnedgato on 03/12/2007 00:51:21 Edited by: pwnedgato on 03/12/2007 00:50:40 I never said that those file types weren't superior I just said I don't want some crazy all in one contraption. Another reason I'd rather not get a phone/music player combo is that I'd hate to not be able to listen to music because I might need to make a phone call later or vice versa. Now, if you can point me at a dedicated music player that supports those file types I'd be quite grateful I'd like a real sig feel free to share ideas on one.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.03 01:11:00 - [21] Edited by: Ryysa on 03/12/2007 01:13:16 Originally by: pwnedgato I just said I don't want some crazy all in one contraption. That's your choice. Quote: Another reason I'd rather not get a phone/music player combo is that I'd hate to not be able to listen to music because I might need to make a phone call later or vice versa. Seriously, I don't know about your phone, but my phone can playback music nonstop + get some call time in for over 24 hours straight (need to try to do a kill battery test), which surely should be enough to find a power outlet. I abused it once almost nonstop for 16 hours with web browsing, video watching, GPS and listening to music the entire time (when I just got it) and battery didn't die. Was about 1/4 left still. Quote: Now, if you can point me at a dedicated music player that supports those file types I'd be quite grateful I'd be the wrong person to ask about that, sorry. Players that support those formats should list them in the specs though. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
pwnedgato	Posted - 2007.12.03 01:18:00 - [22] I forgot to mention my phone carrier is Alltell they offer no great phones unless it has been out for 1 year already, no fancy interweb service or anything. They just have the best rates and signal availability around here. My phone can go a few days just sitting in my pocket being used fairly often to text. It only has 4 hours of talk time though/ I'd like a real sig feel free to share ideas on one.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.12.03 01:18:00 - [23] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/12/2007 01:21:20 Originally by: Ryysa Saying that 128kbit HE-AAC has crap quality will make you a laughing stock, as it's better than 320kbit MP3. Though you're overall right, this statement is technically false; AAC encoders do not use HE features (SBR) above about 90-110 kbps, because they result in a net loss of sound quality at a high enough bitrate. 320kbit MP3 is technically better than 128kbit AAC, but I'd be shocked if anyone can actually tell the difference. They did a few listening tests a while back and found that: <48kbps: HE-AACv2 creams everything. 48-72kbps: HE-AACv1 creams everything. 72-96kbps: HE-AAC gets close to LC-AAC and Vorbis. 96-128kbps: Vorbis wins. 128-192kbps: Basically a massive tie among everything but MP3 because nobody can tell the difference. 192kbps+: It all sounds the same. (Note this is proper VBR/ABR encoding, not CBR, etc) Vorbis is basically the best overall, but it doesn't have SBR or PS like HE-AAC does because they're patented, and Vorbis' goal is to not use patented technology. As a result it gets beaten easily at low bitrates. And honestly, I cannot tell the difference between 40kbps HE-AACv2 and 320kbit MP3, probably because I don't have ultra-badass headphones of awesomeness. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.03 01:20:00 - [24] Edited by: Ryysa on 03/12/2007 01:22:24 You like men. Was about time tbh. Oh and, what he said ^_^ Quote: And honestly, I cannot tell the difference between 40kbps HE-AACv2 and 320kbit MP3, probably because I don't have ultra-badass headphones of awesomeness. Quote: Dark says: Speaking of which, I just ordered a pair of HD 280s for 66 dollars Will fix it. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2007.12.03 01:52:00 - [25] I still have a Zen! Touch from many years back. It works well and the battery lasts for seemingly forever, but there's much newer (and better) players out now. I wouldn't buy an Ipod for reasons already stated here, they're really the worst choice possible if you want an MP3 player that is priced well, isn't supported by horrible software and is feature-rich. I'm sure there's some issues with the way Itunes uses DRM too, but I don't own an Ipod myself so can't really shed much light here. -----
pwnedgato	Posted - 2007.12.03 02:09:00 - [26] Whenever I see HE-AAC I think High-Explosive Anti-Armor-Canister... I'd like a real sig feel free to share ideas on one.
Asimov Andies Gallente Coalition of Nations	Posted - 2007.12.03 02:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Miss Anthropy Just get another iPod. My iPod packed in a few years back (due to me being clumsy and not the iPod dying of its own accord); I bought a Creative Zen to replace it and it's just not as good. The iPod has far more features, and I miss all my old iTunes songs. So, after Christmas, I think I'll be buying one of the new iPod Mini's. Most people who hate the iPod only do so because it's so popular; but, in all honesty, it's the best MP3 player out there. HAHA!!!! I find that to be the funniest comment I have ever heard. If you wanna pay $50-100 more for a proprietary piece of hardware that can only play stuff that was encrypted through itunes, only supports the playing of music and video (and in the case of the new touch, web browsing) unless you buy "Add-ons", go right ahead. I will keep my cheaper, more flexible, longer battery life, multi media type, and a slew of built in features that are considered "add-ons" to apple. I like iRiver, Zen, mobiblue, to name a few. High and Low Sec Freight Service I need a new sig.
Multras Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.03 02:58:00 - [28] My friend has a Zune, looks like a nice solid piece of hardware. The song title and such was easy to read and the album art background was cool. Thanks to EVE Art Store for the sig.
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.12.03 05:00:00 - [29] Zune best player i have ever used, big seen for movies and such, radio so i can listen to the bob and tom show in class, ability t share music and pics with your friends wirelessly, 30 gigs (new ones have 80 i think) kinda easy to break the screen but if your not too rough with it you will be fine, no games yet, i think there gona be releasing them next year, the software it uses is awesome, say if they were to add something like a clock feature to the new versions you would be able to update the firmware for yours and then you would have it too. so in conclusion YOU BY NOOOW --------------------------- im in your system scanning your moonz
flaming phantom Minmatar Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.12.03 05:30:00 - [30] i have a microsoft zune, and i like it. mine has 30GB and it cost me only $100. it can play music, pictures and videos. it has a fm radio built into it. it can wirelessly send music to other zune in the general area, which is cool ,cept they do this weird limitation thing with the copied versions u get, but its still cool. all in al i think its cool, i do however have to say i dont like the new software/firmware they came out with recently, as said, im using the first version of softare and firmware and refuse to update
ry ry StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.03 15:39:00 - [31] Edited by: ry ry on 03/12/2007 15:40:10 i've got a Creative Zen and it's quite good. i dislike the software that came with it, but since you can just drag & drop files onto it, it's not really an issue, and being able to play any old random DRM'd music is a big plus point over an ipod. i preferred the ipod touchpad thingy to the Zen's little clicker, but the equivalent ipod cost about ú100 more at the time, and i don't like the ipod controls that much more. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Chrisb6122 Gallente Tech 2 Holdings Limited	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:30:00 - [32] Just bought a Zen 16GB to finally replace my aging 6gb NW-A1000, will let you know how good it is when it arrives and ive used it for a while. For now do my only recommendation is to stay as far as possible from all sony mp3 players, 2 years of that horrid software has left its scar. To the poster above me do, have you been able to find a power lead to connect straight from player to plug? -
Angela Toren Amarr Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2007.12.03 21:19:00 - [33] Edited by: Angela Toren on 03/12/2007 21:20:16 CREATIVE ZEN 30GB There is no further need for discussion - and if another clueless fashion victim says ipod im gonna stab myself in the eye with a &^$%ú$ fork. _____________ Originally by:* Kanye West CCP doesn't care about roleplaying people.
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.12.03 21:25:00 - [34] Originally by: Angela Toren Edited by: Angela Toren on 03/12/2007 21:20:16 CREATIVE ZEN 30GB There is no further need for discussion - and if another clueless fashion victim says ipod im gonna stab myself in the eye with a &^$%ú$ fork. >_> <_< >_> coughipodcough* pic's please --------------------------- Im in your systemz scanning your moonz
Enroah Caldari Shadow Assasins Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:09:00 - [35] I have a Microsoft Zune 30. I really like it, although the new ones are much slimer and have bluetooth headhpones (bonus feature ) www.woot.com often has the old ones (only 30GB, slightly chunkier) for nice and cheap - I think they were as low as $80 last time. Zune > iPod En
Khalm Firing Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:59:00 - [36] Just get an iPod. It is a market leader device and everybody else are trying to imitate it with varying results. Apple is always step or two ahead of the competition. ---
ry ry StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:08:00 - [37] Originally by: Khalm Just get an iPod. It is a market leader device and everybody else are trying to imitate it with varying results. Apple is always step or two ahead of the competition. apple do 'ergonomics', and they do 'cool', but they're not really a step ahead of the competition in terms of actual product. i'm no apple hater - i really like their stuff - but the ipod is a massively overhyped, nice looking, average sounding mp3 player with some annoying DRM restrictions. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
MalVortex	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:34:00 - [38] Pretty much anything Zen from my creative. I have the original Create Zen Nomad 20G, back from early 2002, and its still running along just fine. I keep it hooked up into my car radio's aux in, yay good music all the time \o/
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Khalm Just get an iPod. It is a market leader device and everybody else are trying to imitate it with varying results. Apple is always step or two ahead of the competition. Fanboi alert. If apple is a step or two ahead of the competition, then please answer these questions: 1) Where is HE-AACv1 and HE-AACv2 support on the iPod? 2) Where is wma/ogg vorbis format support on the iPod? 3) Why is there DRM on the iPod? 4) Where is the exchangeable battery on the iPod? 5) Where are the exchangeable flash cards on the iPod? And let's not start about their other projects. Seriously, get a clue. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Kyrall Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.04 16:36:00 - [40] Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: Khalm Just get an iPod. It is a market leader device and everybody else are trying to imitate it with varying results. Apple is always step or two ahead of the competition. Fanboi alert. If apple is a step or two ahead of the competition, then please answer these questions: 1) Where is HE-AACv1 and HE-AACv2 support on the iPod? 2) Where is wma/ogg vorbis format support on the iPod? 3) Why is there DRM on the iPod? 4) Where is the exchangeable battery on the iPod? 5) Where are the exchangeable flash cards on the iPod? And let's not start about their other projects. Seriously, get a clue. Of course they are a step ahead of the competition, but not in selling the "best mp3 player". All those points are very annoying for the (educated) user, but all lead (indirectly) to more profits for them. I would say they are ahead of the competition in having the best marketing, or maybe just being damn lucky! - Take another step back until you find you've walked away...
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.04 17:41:00 - [41] agree, Apple is very good at spreading hype and they also have nice design. That's not what the post implied, which I responded to though. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.12.04 19:05:00 - [42] Advantages Apple have: Really nice design. The only way it could be any better is if they had a Sony style remote on the earphones but I use wind-up headphones anyway. Either you get this point or you don't. If you don't you're probably using something "better" but uglier with inferior ergonomics already. Music shop actually worth using (note: I think they are now offering MP3 download for at least some of their music which makes it less of an advantage) Disadvantages Apple have: Mugger friendly earphones DRM'd music / proprietary format (see above. This is changing) They don't like to repair their product so you have to get it done by a third party The iPod wasn't anything new or different when it came out. There were already MP3 players out. The iPod just made the whole thing less clunky and computer-ish and more swish and consumer electronic-ish. I swear if Sony had pulled their head out of their arse about file formats and managed a decent music shop they could have done the same because they had the best interface and design bar none previously. Poor Sony The things you educated users consider important are probably non-priorities for most punters. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Mtthias Clemi Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.12.04 22:55:00 - [43] The current system used on ipods was invented by creative Artist/Song/Recently Added etc. I think the control system on the ipod is part of its sucess, easy to use i suppose! Also they are very good at marketing to the masses. Zen ftw though tbh! -------------------------------------------- THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE!
Cybarite Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.12.04 23:33:00 - [44] Edited by: Cybarite on 04/12/2007 23:34:28 Edited by: Cybarite on 04/12/2007 23:33:58 My suggestions Phillips GoGear 30g: they recently stopped producing them, but they're sturdy great looking have fm radio capability on top of MP3's, they don't have video, but honestly I've never felt the need for it. Zune: just a great player, a couple of my friends have them, they have more storage than an Ipod cost less, and have cool features built in, and they're alot more rugged than an Ipod from what I've heard. they're kinda hampered by the fact that not as many people have them. Creative Zen: Good sturdy players, don't know what else to say, feature wise they're kinda bland but as a music player they're right up with the others. Ipod: had to list it, I suppose if you have the IQ of a brain-dead spider monkey, can't operate a computer to save your life, and don't mind chaining yourself to invasive proprietary software purveyed by denim clad fascists pretending to be hippies this might be the MP3 player for you! ... Why do I PvP? Because I love the feeling I get when I see the pretty lights and know that someone somewhere is screaming incoherently at their computer screen.
Pya Rubey	Posted - 2007.12.04 23:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi In what way does the ipod have more features... The iPod has one major feature that nerds seem to scoff at and everybody else intuitively groks - it's actually really nice to use. I've tried out a lot of other players - Creative Zens, Sony MP3 Walkman and numerous others - and none of them are intuitively grokkable. The whole user experience of the iPod is well designed. And features aren't everything. My parent's video recorder remote has 41 buttons with labels like "F.ADV", "A.DUB" and "SAT.CONT.". My dad can't program the VCR. He didn't need to read an instruction book to operate his iPod though. The complexity of using an MP3 player lies in getting the files on and off. Most people can't get their head around file systems. Manually managing files on an MP3 player is a pain. Even when the user experience on the device doesn't suck, the experience of managing files on the device sucks. And I'm not even an Apple fanboy. Don't get me started on how crap their laptop build quality is.
Mtthias Clemi Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.12.06 00:59:00 - [46] huh? i said MORE... not usability... who?... why are you talking about how easy your dad finds it to use? wha why? who? My creative does MORE than any ipod will, i was pointing out they don't have more features. but never mind.. -------------------------------------------- THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE! THE CAKE IS A LIE!
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.06 08:05:00 - [47] All a player really needs are 3 buttons and a volume control imo. And so that I can press them in my pocket without having to take it out. Now, the iPod fails at that, whereas a lot of other players do not. So usability THAT apple fanbois EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.12.06 11:30:00 - [48] Originally by: Ryysa All a player really needs are 3 buttons and a volume control imo. And so that I can press them in my pocket without having to take it out. Now, the iPod fails at that, whereas a lot of other players do not. So usability THAT apple fanbois Agreed. Like I said, a remote would be the icing on the cake. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Digitalfox Central Defiance Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.06 19:05:00 - [49] Edited by: Digitalfox on 06/12/2007 19:07:37 Please for the love of all things holy dont get an ipod. I have grown to hate ipods and itunes so much that if I ever see Steve Jobs on the street I'm gonna grab the nearest yuppies Iphone/ipod/iwhateeverthelatespieceofcrap I can find and throw it at him. I ditche my Ipod about a year ago and picked up a Creative Zen. My god I couldnt be happier. The Zen is the best Pros: It plays almost any format, no need to convert just rip load and go You can use what ever media program you prefer to use, except itunes. It has a built in Microphone It has a built in FM radio Very nice easy to use user interface Its very durable, I've dropped mine a few times and it runs great In the off chance it locks up its easy to reset, unlike the Ipod. Its got great sound quality A high screen resolution High Picture quality It cost about $100 less then an Ipod Creative Labs has been doing computer audio since the dawn of time Its the best reviewd (well used to be, havent checked in a bit) MP3 player on the market Cons: Screen visability in direct sunlite isnt all that good The screen is highly suseptable to scraches if you dont protect it. Thats my points. Please for the love of everything dont get an ipod -------------------------------------------------------------------- Central Defiance says "check out our movie" DEFY
Are deth Minmatar	Posted - 2007.12.08 15:47:00 - [50] I just wanted to plug the sansa. I found it very easy to use and I like the button & wheel set up that it has. Playing it full time takes me a day to wear out the battery (talking 20 hours non-stop playing). Anyway thats just my two cents.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.09 19:28:00 - [51] Going to necro this thread some... It actually happened, that I will be buying a player as a present. After looking around a bit and doing some research, I'm pretty sure it will be a Creative Zen. The only PITA is, that it will get fingerprints all over it rather fast. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music

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