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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.02 04:22:00 -
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I was just doing the sister's of eve quest and someone came and stole a guy I needed from a can. What are my options? I offered to buy the guy off him for a couple million, but as usual pirates always want the big score which is why they are always broke, and he asked for 20 mil. Not paying 20 mil for one part of a 50 part quest.
Can I petition it to get a replacement, or will it reset after downtime? |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
323
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Posted - 2012.02.02 04:27:00 -
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Pillowtalk wrote:I was just doing the sister's of eve quest and someone came and stole a guy I needed from a can. What are my options? I offered to buy the guy off him for a couple million, but as usual pirates always want the big score which is why they are always broke, and he asked for 20 mil. Not paying 20 mil for one part of a 50 part quest.
Can I petition it to get a replacement, or will it reset after downtime?
You can try petitioning and hope CCP will restart the mission in a meaningful time-frame, but you can usually find the item on contracts too.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
328
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Posted - 2012.02.02 04:28:00 -
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you can normally buy the item straight of the market very cheaply I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.02.02 04:31:00 -
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Its not on the market, and there is only 1 on contract for 40 million. Just gunna get on an alt and do the quest up until that point and trade the item to my other character. Luckily its early in the quest. |

ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2012.02.02 04:36:00 -
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There is nothing to petition here - its part of the game mechanics in the same way that can-flipping is.
The mission won't reset as it has been properly completed i.e. the item has been scooped. As already suggested you can either pay his ransom, buy a replacement off the market, use an alt to get the mission again or fail the mission. |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.02.02 04:42:00 -
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ThisIsntMyMain wrote:There is nothing to petition here - its part of the game mechanics in the same way that can-flipping is.
The mission won't reset as it has been properly completed i.e. the item has been scooped. As already suggested you can either pay his ransom, buy a replacement off the market, use an alt to get the mission again or fail the mission.
Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory. Thats part of the mechanics too. But they recall them and fix them. Stuff life this costs CCP more money then I think they will ever truly be able to fathom. Leaves a bad taste in a person's mouth to pay to be annoyed. Honestly it would be better to just remove concord so the guy could have attacked me and taken my stuff. At least something productive would have taken place then for someone. As it stands now this was nothing but a complete waste of time for everyone involved.
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Renturu
Tribal Spirit Tribal Unity Alliance
143
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Posted - 2012.02.02 04:42:00 -
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What is this "1 item" you needed. Many players have extras and usually to kill the mission quick, have them on hand. If EvE WiS is Space Barbie, then I'm built like a Ken Doll:
Nothin' but 14 inches of T'aint; Smooth, from front to butt!!! |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.02.02 04:44:00 -
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Renturu wrote:What is this "1 item" you needed. Many players have extras and usually to kill the mission quick, have them on hand.
Nebben Centrien |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
294
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Posted - 2012.02.02 04:50:00 -
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Declare war on the person and make the lives of his corpmates a misery for a week. |

Kietay Ayari
Rogue Elements.
324
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Posted - 2012.02.02 04:52:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Declare war on the person and make the lives of his corpmates a misery for a week. D: whyyy Ferox #1 |
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ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2012.02.02 04:54:00 -
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Pillowtalk wrote: Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory. Thats part of the mechanics too. But they recall them and fix them.
Yes, but we both know that this is Eve and it's working as intended. |

Ai Shun
224
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Posted - 2012.02.02 04:56:00 -
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Pillowtalk wrote:Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory. Thats part of the mechanics too. But they recall them and fix them. Stuff life this costs CCP more money then I think they will ever truly be able to fathom. Leaves a bad taste in a person's mouth to pay to be annoyed. Honestly it would be better to just remove concord so the guy could have attacked me and taken my stuff. At least something productive would have taken place then for someone. As it stands now this was nothing but a complete waste of time for everyone involved.
Yes and no. Being a **** is part of EVE Online's game design. Scamming, theft, making a quick ISK off anothers' sweat. Those are all aspects the game and it's design encourages. Yeah, it may leave a bad taste in your mouth and I'll agree - as far as piracy goes it's not exactly the work of an interstellar genius.
But I don't think this will cost CCP more money than they will ever truly be able to fathom, because it is part of what they designed the game like. It's what EVE is, to a large degree, about. Risk, reward, all that.
I do like your idea of removing CONCORD though; although I'd replace it with a NPC corp that is player joinable and is a more realistic fleet. But then, I like the idea of replacing all NPC services with player services. |

Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
60
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Posted - 2012.02.02 04:58:00 -
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abandon mission, take the standing hit (minimal) and take it again |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1882
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Posted - 2012.02.02 04:59:00 -
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yes, EVE is a "massively multiplayer" game.
literally everyone you find will either rob you blind and/or kill you and pod you
if they don't, they're probably hiding a knife behind their backs. andski for csm7~ |

Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
133
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:00:00 -
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The difference between normal piracy/scamming/theft and this is that the former is reasonably avoidable by using your brain and employing the proper counters. There is no reasonable counter to this.
At least ransoming mission items in level 4s targets experienced players and gives the person the recourse to simply cancel the mission. This targets newbies and blocks them from finishing the epic arc for three months. As someone who spent most of his EVE career griefing, ganking and stealing, I cannot believe that someone is honestly going to defend this mechanic. It's barely above canbaiting in the starter systems.
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Dirk Magnum
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
204
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:02:00 -
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It's always been my understanding that you can petition CCP for loss of a unique mission item due to player theft... or maybe it was due to despawning of the mission site due to downtime. I dunno.
You can try petitioning it, if you can't buy it off the market, but there's no guarantee. You may just have to tell the agent to F off, and accept the loss of agent standing. "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB |

Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
122
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:03:00 -
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Pillowtalk wrote:Its not on the market, and there is only 1 on contract for 40 million. Just gunna get on an alt and do the quest up until that point and trade the item to my other character. Luckily its early in the quest.
That's thinking outside the box. You're going to do well in EVE I think. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
294
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:07:00 -
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Andski wrote:if they don't, they're probably hiding a knife behind their backs. It's more likely that they're hiding a sap and a set of manacles, particularly if their corp has mining in its description. |

EnslaverOfMinmatar
BRAPELILLE MACRO BOT MINERS
10
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:08:00 -
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You should've shot him when you had the chance. Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:08:00 -
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ThisIsntMyMain wrote:Pillowtalk wrote: Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory. Thats part of the mechanics too. But they recall them and fix them.
Yes, but we both know that this is Eve and it's working as intended.
Which is why subscriber growth for this game has been anemic at best over the years and the player base is miniscule in comparison to almost all other mildly successful MMOs. Additionally CCP just laid off a large portion of their staff and lost a large percentage of their subscribers because they actually paid money to hire "thought experts" that told them to charge 80 dollars or whatever absurd amount they charge for a monocle.
There is a saying in school that 5% of your students cause 95% of your problems, and the same holds true in eve, but in eve for some reason they cater to the 5%. The only explanation I have ever been able to come to is that CCP truly wants no mass appeal whatsoever. They explicitly want to be a niche market.
I am all for pvp, and conflict, and fighting, and strategy, and interesting game play. However, when I am just relaxing and looking for something low key to do, and I decide to log in to eve and do a nice slow pace quest to pick up a little faction, and some guy roles up and steals my quest item and then tries to get me to pay a ridiculous amount for it, thats just annoying. It doesn't add to game play in any way. I can't see it being particularly entertaining for the guy that did it, unless he has some real issues, and its just pointless in every way. I guess I just have a problem with pointless things.
If he was attacking my POS, hey I get it. We are fighting over resources. If he attacks me in low sec I get it, he wants my stuff. If he is undercutting me on the market I get it, he wants to outsell me. If he infiltrates my corp and steals our stuff great, he is personally enriching himself.
Rolling in and stealing my janitor, then me offering 2 million, and him asking for 20 mil, and him not even making a counter offer, just a total waste of time for everyone involved. This also leads me to wonder, why the hell won't people of the pirate ideology ever negotiate? The guy probably could have gotten me up to 4 mil or so, I could have moved on with my quest, he would be 4 mil richer, but I offer 2, he asks for 20, and then nothing. Just a complete waste. Waste of an evening, waste of a game, waste of 15 bucks. Just a waste. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1886
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:13:00 -
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i feel like flying to arnon real quick to buy up the one on contracts there
and trashing it  andski for csm7~ |

Jonas Xiamon
53
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:14:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Declare war on the person and make the lives of his corpmates a misery for a week. D: whyyy
He earned it. I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid. |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
294
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:17:00 -
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Hey OP, by any chance was the person who stole your item Grinder2210? |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:18:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Hey OP, by any chance was the person who stole your item Grinder2210?
No |

foxnod
BOAE INC GIANTSBANE.
13
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:18:00 -
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Pillowtalk wrote:ThisIsntMyMain wrote:Pillowtalk wrote: Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory. Thats part of the mechanics too. But they recall them and fix them.
Yes, but we both know that this is Eve and it's working as intended. Which is why subscriber growth for this game has been anemic at best over the years and the player base is miniscule in comparison to almost all other mildly successful MMOs. Additionally CCP just laid off a large portion of their staff and lost a large percentage of their subscribers because they actually paid money to hire "thought experts" that told them to charge 80 dollars or whatever absurd amount they charge for a monocle. There is a saying in school that 5% of your students cause 95% of your problems, and the same holds true in eve, but in eve for some reason they cater to the 5%. The only explanation I have ever been able to come to is that CCP truly wants no mass appeal whatsoever. They explicitly want to be a niche market. I am all for pvp, and conflict, and fighting, and strategy, and interesting game play. However, when I am just relaxing and looking for something low key to do, and I decide to log in to eve and do a nice slow pace quest to pick up a little faction, and some guy roles up and steals my quest item and then tries to get me to pay a ridiculous amount for it, thats just annoying. It doesn't add to game play in any way. I can't see it being particularly entertaining for the guy that did it, unless he has some real issues, and its just pointless in every way. I guess I just have a problem with pointless things. If he was attacking my POS, hey I get it. We are fighting over resources. If he attacks me in low sec I get it, he wants my stuff. If he is undercutting me on the market I get it, he wants to outsell me. If he infiltrates my corp and steals our stuff great, he is personally enriching himself. Rolling in and stealing my janitor, then me offering 2 million, and him asking for 20 mil, and him not even making a counter offer, just a total waste of time for everyone involved. This also leads me to wonder, why the hell won't people of the pirate ideology ever negotiate? The guy probably could have gotten me up to 4 mil or so, I could have moved on with my quest, he would be 4 mil richer, but I offer 2, he asks for 20, and then nothing. Just a complete waste. Waste of an evening, waste of a game, waste of 15 bucks. Just a waste.
Then you clearly don't belong in EVE.
CCP had to lay off 20% of it's workforce because they decided to go the route of cashop+captin's cubicle.
Since crucible the PCU has been steadily climbing like it has every year since the game launched. If they went carebear like you apparently want, then they'd drive off their core base and wind up closing the servers within 3 months; just like SWG with their NGE. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4765
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:20:00 -
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Pillowtalk wrote:Which is why subscriber growth for this game has been anemic at best over the years and the player base is miniscule in comparison to almost all other mildly successful MMOs. Additionally CCP just laid off a large portion of their staff and lost a large percentage of their subscribers because they actually paid money to hire "thought experts" that told them to charge 80 dollars or whatever absurd amount they charge for a monocle. The first two aren't really true and the last item on your list has nothing to do with this. In fact, unlike pretty much every other MMO, EVE has had constant growth for nearly a decade straight (until CCP simply forgot about the game for a year). The reason it managed to do that is because it has constantly offered something no other game offers and since it constantly generates these big splashy stories about the big heists where some dastardly person screwed over some poor hapless victim. This is just an extension of that.
Quote:However, when I am just relaxing and looking for something low key to do, and I decide to log in to eve and do a nice slow pace quest to pick up a little faction, and some guy roles up and steals my quest item and then tries to get me to pay a ridiculous amount for it, thats just annoying. It doesn't add to game play in any way. It is also entirely in keeping with the overall theme of EVE and adds an element of PvP to your missions.
Quote:Rolling in and stealing my janitor, then me offering 2 million, and him asking for 20 mil, and him not even making a counter offer, just a total waste of time for everyone involved. Nah. Some people will simply pay the price, and if not, they can auction it off later. ISK in the wallet either way. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
294
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:22:00 -
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Pillowtalk wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Hey OP, by any chance was the person who stole your item Grinder2210? No Tah'ris Khlador? |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:27:00 -
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foxnod wrote: Then you clearly don't belong in EVE.
CCP had to lay off 20% of it's workforce because they decided to go the route of cashop+captin's cubicle.
Since crucible the PCU has been steadily climbing like it has every year since the game launched. If they went carebear like you apparently want, then they'd drive off their core base and wind up closing the servers within 3 months; just like SWG with their NGE.
I don't belong in Eve and I am a carebear because I want to be able to do a quest without getting my quest item stolen? Seriously?
I'm actually looking forward to getting into low sec PvP with my brother, I have had several POSs blown up and am completely ok with it, and even got poded several times when I returned to Eve while trying to get my stuff out of lowsec, and that was fine with me to.
I just wanna do a little dinky almost meaningless mission to just chill for a lil bit in Eve to mix things up. But you're saying it would be perfectly ok with you if every single time someone did a mission everyone had their quest items stolen?
And in your opinion someone would be a carebear if they complained at all if they could never finish a single mission that involved an item because you say its fine for everyone to steal them constantly?
Me and you will just have to agree to disagree I think.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Whack-A-Mole
59
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:29:00 -
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Most of its not the isk its that they pissed you off and ruined your day, wasted your time, etc. The isk is secondary to that imo. And yes thats Eve in a nutshell for a lot of the player base.
Petition it and get it reset. CCP is pretty good about that.
I myself wouldve never offered isk for it. Id sooner eat the loss than give someone anything. But thats just me. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace |

Pillowtalk
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Which is why subscriber growth for this game has been anemic at best over the years and the player base is miniscule in comparison to almost all other mildly successful MMOs. Additionally CCP just laid off a large portion of their staff and lost a large percentage of their subscribers because they actually paid money to hire "thought experts" that told them to charge 80 dollars or whatever absurd amount they charge for a monocle. The first two aren't really true and the last item on your list has nothing to do with this. In fact, unlike pretty much every other MMO, EVE has had constant growth for nearly a decade straight (until CCP simply forgot about the game for a year). The reason it managed to do that is because it has constantly offered something no other game offers and since it constantly generates these big splashy stories about the big heists where some dastardly person screwed over some poor hapless victim. This is just an extension of that. Quote:However, when I am just relaxing and looking for something low key to do, and I decide to log in to eve and do a nice slow pace quest to pick up a little faction, and some guy roles up and steals my quest item and then tries to get me to pay a ridiculous amount for it, thats just annoying. It doesn't add to game play in any way. It is also entirely in keeping with the overall theme of EVE and adds an element of PvP to your missions. Quote:Rolling in and stealing my janitor, then me offering 2 million, and him asking for 20 mil, and him not even making a counter offer, just a total waste of time for everyone involved. Nah. Some people will simply pay the price, and if not, they can auction it off later. ISK in the wallet either way.
Tippia, I place no value on your opinion. If you wish to speak to others in threads I start then by all means feel free. Please refrain from responding to me though because I have absolutely no interest in your opinion what so ever, because clearly you have none in mine. Thanks.
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