I've had this exact same discussion before. The maker of a game can indeed determine what category they choose to place certain actions in. I do not agree however that they can redefine a word. I was griefed. If CCP chooses not to call it greifing then I guess that is their right to live in an encapsulated world where they makeup their own meanings, but that doesn't stop the rest of the world around them from continuing to use the agreed upon definitions that they have always used.

However in this situation I think are you agreeing with me. "players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others" seems to describe very accurately the player I encountered tonight.

I think someone flying around stealing peoples mission items is definitely "consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others."

Additionally, how is this is about me being a new or an old player? My disagreement is with the mechanic as a whole, and I am here to voice my opinion against the mechanic as it exists now to bring awareness to it in hopes that at some point in the future sanity may be applied to this situation and changes made.

abandon mission, take the standing hit (minimal) and take it again

Its not on the market, and there is only 1 on contract for 40 million. Just gunna get on an alt and do the quest up until that point and trade the item to my other character. Luckily its early in the quest.

I was just doing the sister's of eve quest and someone came and stole a guy I needed from a can. What are my options? I offered to buy the guy off him for a couple million, but as usual pirates always want the big score which is why they are always broke, and he asked for 20 mil. Not paying 20 mil for one part of a 50 part quest.

Can I petition it to get a replacement, or will it reset after downtime?

I don't belong in Eve and I am a carebear because I want to be able to do a quest without getting my quest item stolen? Seriously?

item is 40m on contracts

pirate offers to sell it for 20m

What a ripoff !!!

Which is why subscriber growth for this game has been anemic at best over the years and the player base is miniscule in comparison to almost all other mildly successful MMOs. Additionally CCP just laid off a large portion of their staff and lost a large percentage of their subscribers because they actually paid money to hire "thought experts" that told them to charge 80 dollars or whatever absurd amount they charge for a monocle.

There is a saying in school that 5% of your students cause 95% of your problems, and the same holds true in eve, but in eve for some reason they cater to the 5%. The only explanation I have ever been able to come to is that CCP truly wants no mass appeal whatsoever. They explicitly want to be a niche market.

I am all for pvp, and conflict, and fighting, and strategy, and interesting game play. However, when I am just relaxing and looking for something low key to do, and I decide to log in to eve and do a nice slow pace quest to pick up a little faction, and some guy roles up and steals my quest item and then tries to get me to pay a ridiculous amount for it, thats just annoying. It doesn't add to game play in any way. I can't see it being particularly entertaining for the guy that did it, unless he has some real issues, and its just pointless in every way. I guess I just have a problem with pointless things.

If he was attacking my POS, hey I get it. We are fighting over resources. If he attacks me in low sec I get it, he wants my stuff. If he is undercutting me on the market I get it, he wants to outsell me. If he infiltrates my corp and steals our stuff great, he is personally enriching himself.

Rolling in and stealing my janitor, then me offering 2 million, and him asking for 20 mil, and him not even making a counter offer, just a total waste of time for everyone involved. This also leads me to wonder, why the hell won't people of the pirate ideology ever negotiate? The guy probably could have gotten me up to 4 mil or so, I could have moved on with my quest, he would be 4 mil richer, but I offer 2, he asks for 20, and then nothing. Just a complete waste. Waste of an evening, waste of a game, waste of 15 bucks. Just a waste.

As it stands now this was nothing but a complete waste of time for everyone involved.

Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory. Thats part of the mechanics too. But they recall them and fix them. Stuff life this costs CCP more money then I think they will ever truly be able to fathom. Leaves a bad taste in a person's mouth to pay to be annoyed. Honestly it would be better to just remove concord so the guy could have attacked me and taken my stuff. At least something productive would have taken place then for someone. As it stands now this was nothing but a complete waste of time for everyone involved.

I think your post pretty much made it worth while, whoever he is.

Epic Arcs dont work like that, read the thread not just the title

You can probably buy The Damsel relatively easily

Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory.

Well now, let's see here... "Jet-Canning a Janitor" is the sixth mission in that arc. It will probably take at least a couple of hours all told to get to that point on your alt, right? And the only replacement janitor on contracts has an asking price of 40m.

forgive my ignorance, but doesn't a mission naturally resets itself after the daily maintenance downtime?
I was helping a RL friend of mine that couldn't complete a mission because of him not being competent with english, he basicly destroyed the scientists he was supposed to save in a lv1 mission and then docked somewhere XD
when we met IRL, the day after, he told me about that, we went together at the mission site and the sciensts were there again.
did you try this?

Nebben Centrien

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