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whoyoulookingat Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.12.03 18:02:00 - [1] Any particular reason for this ? what with tracking and sensor scripts, these ships are gonna struggle to hit a planet, let alone a ship!! Comments / views ? . _____________________________________ Someone's swiped my avatar!!!
Lisento Slaven Amarr Capitalism Amuck	Posted - 2007.12.03 18:22:00 - [2] Bet you 10 USD that I won't have a problem hitting people in the Vargur. --- Put in space whales!
Tiuwaz Minmatar The Nest	Posted - 2007.12.03 18:28:00 - [3] not a problem for the vargur as it doesnt have the grid to fit arties anyways and the panther is just a silly joke ___________________________________
whoyoulookingat Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.12.03 18:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Lisento Slaven Bet you 10 USD that I won't have a problem hitting people in the Vargur. Ramming other ships doesn't count Marauder Skill (rank 10 skill btw) Bonus: 7.5% bonus to shield boost amount and 7.5% bonus to large projectile turret tracking per level This will help a bit but c'mon.. and don't forget to factor in the cost of the ship, survivability.. Isk sink anyone?? . _____________________________________ Someone's swiped my avatar!!!
Tao Han Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:04:00 - [5] Originally by: whoyoulookingat Originally by: Lisento Slaven Bet you 10 USD that I won't have a problem hitting people in the Vargur. Ramming other ships doesn't count Marauder Skill (rank 10 skill btw) Bonus: 7.5% bonus to shield boost amount and 7.5% bonus to large projectile turret tracking per level This will help a bit but c'mon.. and don't forget to factor in the cost of the ship, survivability.. Isk sink anyone?? . Not really an ISK sink as it just moves the ISK around, sure it sinks your wallet but the only true sink is the skillbook. Just going slightly offtopic. The Vargur on the otherhand, isnt that best fitted with autos + insane range bonuses + tracking bonus = npc pwnage?
whoyoulookingat Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:20:00 - [6] kk.. here's the complete description: Role: Marauder Geared toward versatility and prolonged deployment in hostile environments, Marauders represent the cutting edge in todayÆs warship technology. While especially effective at support suppression and wreckage salvaging, they possess comparatively weak sensor strength and may find themselves at increased risk of sensor jamming. Nevertheless, these thick-skinned, hard-hitting monsters are the perfect ships to take on long trips behind enemy lines. Developer: Boundless Creation Boundless CreationÆs ships are based on the Brutor TribeÆs philosophy of warfare: simply fit as much firepower onto your ship as possible. Defense systems and electronics arrays therefore take a back seat to sheer annihilative potential. Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to large projectile turret rate of fire and 10% bonus to large projectile turret falloff per level Marauder Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to shield boost amount and 7.5% bonus to large projectile turret tracking per level Role Bonus: 100% bonus to large projectile weapon damage, 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams P/G of 7900 Lets take a look at the 425mm AC ii (just as an example) cpu = 35 / pg = 1375 * 4 = 5400 pg to fit (w/o skills mind) falloff = 16km + 50% = 24km (w/o ammo loaded) tracking = 0.054 + 30% (assuming ppl train the skill to lvl 4) = 0.0702 (again w/o skills) optimal is where the damage will really count, but at around 3.5km, that ain't gonna be happening so you have to rely on falloff which us specc'd AC pilots will tell you can still be hit & miss! factor in the amount of ammo you'll need to carry (+ ammo costs), I'm sorry but I fail to see the appeal of this ship! Maybe sniping (with 2 guns due to lack of P/G) ?? ROFL _____________________________________ Someone's swiped my avatar!!!
Fedman Kasad Minmatar Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2007.12.03 19:31:00 - [7] of course, by "long trips behind enemy lines." they actually mean "level 4 missions" [-------------------------------------------------] Tears stream behind my visor, but eyes look unblinking at the world
Alyth Gallente Dichotomy Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.12.03 21:41:00 - [8] Originally by: whoyoulookingat Edited by: whoyoulookingat on 03/12/2007 18:14:39 Any particular reason for this ? what with tracking and sensor scripts, these ships are gonna struggle to hit a planet, let alone a ship!! Comments / views ? Ps. For those not in the know: Panther is Minny Black op (8/5/6 slot - 5 turret points only) Vargur is the Minny Marauder (7/6/5 slot - 4 turret points only) . Just because it's minmatar doesn't mean you have to nano it.
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.03 21:48:00 - [9] Have you actually used autocanons before, even small ones? Autocanons ALWAYS operat in falloff, and with a minmatar BS, you'll be around 20km quite often, and believe me, that hits! I naver had any trouble to hit things with autocanons in a tempest, and I never used tracking mods on cloerang setups. Stop paper pvp and actually FLY the ships! Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts[/qu
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.03 21:51:00 - [10] Originally by: Fedman Kasad of course, by "long trips behind enemy lines." they actually mean "level 4 missions" Its certainly starting to look that way.
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.12.03 21:51:00 - [11] The Vargur is substantially worse than the other Marauders. So what? One of the races has to get the worst one. You get the best borderline-overpowered amazing heavy interdictor while Amarr gets a laughably ****ty one, so it's quite balanced for you to get the worst Marauder while Amarr gets the best one.
King Hopy Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.12.03 21:59:00 - [12] I wouldnt count hitting to 50k with barrage to be too shappy..
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Vathar Have you actually used autocanons before, even small ones? Autocanons ALWAYS operat in falloff, and with a minmatar BS, you'll be around 20km quite often, and believe me, that hits! I naver had any trouble to hit things with autocanons in a tempest, and I never used tracking mods on cloerang setups. Stop paper pvp and actually FLY the ships! but the paper is my friend everything else is a lie
HarryManback Minmatar Gr0und Zer0	Posted - 2007.12.03 22:45:00 - [14] oh noes. Now, for sure, I'm not gonna be fitting tracking computers on this ship. It's too bad it didn't get a tracking bonus. Amarr Recon/Electronics Attack Ship/almost Black Ops pilot for auction
whoyoulookingat Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:16:00 - [15] Edited by: whoyoulookingat on 04/12/2007 10:16:51 Originally by: Vathar Have you actually used autocanons before, even small ones? Autocanons ALWAYS operat in falloff, and with a minmatar BS, you'll be around 20km quite often, and believe me, that hits! I naver had any trouble to hit things with autocanons in a tempest, and I never used tracking mods on cloerang setups. Stop paper pvp and actually FLY the ships! I find throwing rocks gets better damage and FYI I've been testing it out on TQ. ARTY setup on the vargur just sucks AC setup is do-able. Had a few slugfests against another pilot in a tempy, which the tempy won on every occasion! For a decent setup, too many slots are lost to counter the poor scan res + lack of P/G. So it is u who should stop Paper Playing And yes, I did get out of bed the wrong side _____________________________________ Someone's swiped my avatar!!!
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:25:00 - [16] questions pops up in my head.... you acctually flow the ship or just whining whit a faceless alt ? minni marauders arent "nerfed" by tracking.. they have other issues.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:30:00 - [17] Originally by: whoyoulookingat Edited by: whoyoulookingat on 04/12/2007 10:16:51 Originally by: Vathar Have you actually used autocanons before, even small ones? Autocanons ALWAYS operat in falloff, and with a minmatar BS, you'll be around 20km quite often, and believe me, that hits! I naver had any trouble to hit things with autocanons in a tempest, and I never used tracking mods on cloerang setups. Stop paper pvp and actually FLY the ships! I find throwing rocks gets better damage and FYI I've been testing it out on TQ. ARTY setup on the vargur just sucks AC setup is do-able. Had a few slugfests against another pilot in a tempy, which the tempy won on every occasion! For a decent setup, too many slots are lost to counter the poor scan res + lack of P/G. So it is u who should stop Paper Playing And yes, I did get out of bed the wrong side Feck how you suck @ flying minmatar... _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Gawain Hill	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:42:00 - [18] acctually he's right you won't be able to hit ANYTHING the size of a planet or even it's moon since you can't lock them in eve at the moment waits for planetary bombardment to be added to the game
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:12:00 - [19] Originally by: whoyoulookingat Edited by: whoyoulookingat on 03/12/2007 18:14:39 Any particular reason for this ? what with tracking and sensor scripts, these ships are gonna struggle to hit a planet, let alone a ship!! Comments / views ? Ps. For those not in the know: Panther is Minny Black op (8/5/6 slot - 5 turret points only) Vargur is the Minny Marauder (7/6/5 slot - 4 turret points only) . Why the up-roar about lack of split weapon systems? don't people get that split weapon systems is not a good thing? First the nightmare whines, now this... I hope the mega gets 4 turrets and 3 unbonused launchers, hell all ships should get some nice unbonused missiles on their ships... It's great being Amarr isn't it. Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!

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