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Gillman Minmatar Smoking Hillbillys THORN Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:09:00 - [1] Edited by: Gillman on 04/12/2007 15:13:08 Edited by: Gillman on 04/12/2007 15:12:43 I love My snipest to death but now with the new sensor booster and tracking computer nerf how can i set up my tempest to snipe effencently again ????? can it be done ? or is sniping for the minnmatar race dead? i have full t2 sniping skills :P but i now find my self at a loss how to set up a snipest after trinety ? any good suggestions ? or should i just refine my tempest and fly another ship?
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:18:00 - [2] Originally by: Gillman Edited by: Gillman on 04/12/2007 15:13:08 Edited by: Gillman on 04/12/2007 15:12:43 I love My snipest to death but now with the new sensor booster and tracking computer nerf how can i set up my tempest to snipe effencently again ????? can it be done ? or is sniping for the minnmatar race dead? i have full t2 sniping skills :P but i now find my self at a loss how to set up a snipest after trinety ? any good suggestions ? or should i just refine my tempest and fly another ship? Load ARM script for Targeting range in the Sensor Booster, load ARM script for Optimal in the Tracking Computers. That wasn't hard now was it? New siggeh required!
Gillman Minmatar Smoking Hillbillys THORN Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:26:00 - [3] Edited by: Gillman on 04/12/2007 15:27:00 Originally by: Twilight Moon Load ARM script for Targeting range in the Sensor Booster, load ARM script for Optimal in the Tracking Computers. That wasn't hard now was it? yes you can try that asmuch as you want, and see what happens 1. you wont have any tracking so forget to hit any thing that moves..... 2. forget to lock any thing before it is either gone or blown up cause you will have a very! Slow locking speed it still work in large fleet engagments but i dont do many of those ;)
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Gillman yes you can try that asmuch as you want, and see what happens 1. you wont have any tracking so forget to hit any thing that moves..... 2. forget to lock any thing before it is either gone or blown up cause you will have a very! Slow locking speed it still work in large fleet engagments but i dont do many of those ;) What range do you usually sit at, what are your usual targets and what ship do you tend to use? New siggeh required!
Gillman Minmatar Smoking Hillbillys THORN Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:40:00 - [5] Originally by: Twilight Moon What range do you usually sit at, what are your usual targets and what ship do you tend to use? I usually sit between 150 - 190km in my Tempest (fly mostly minnmatar ships) and i can hit about any thing ;) if im well placed every thing from interceptors -> BSs so i would say every thing is my target ;) i do have som ideas but i just want som suggetions on how to get the tempest up to about the same standar as it is now
Ulstan	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:47:00 - [6] Quote: I usually sit between 150 - 190km in my Tempest (fly mostly minnmatar ships) and i can hit about any thing ;) if im well placed every thing from interceptors -> BSs so i would say every thing is my target ;) And now you see why they introduced ARM scripts in the first place.
Kunming The Coalition Of Buccaneers Mercenary Services	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:51:00 - [7] This change was exactly to stop what you want to do. You fit a tracking comp on a sniping boat to increase your range and accomplish the role succesfully (same with the sensor booster), the tracking (lock speed) bonus was an extra bonus that made sniping boats insta locking long range pwning mofos. Lets take a look at what sniping is in the first place: You take your time aiming and then score a kill with 1 shot. You dont insta aim and then randomly shot in the air while the bullet finds its way to the target. This change will prevent you to insta pop those poor cruisers and frigs that had a low transversal due to the long range. The changes are into the right direction though not complete, now what we need is an increase in alpha dmg while the DPS stays same on the long range guns. Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
me bored	Posted - 2007.12.04 16:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Gillman trinety
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.04 16:19:00 - [9] If you absolutely must have boosts to both tracking and optimal, then fit a tracking computer and load it with a tracking script, and also fit a 15% optimal rig. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kunming The Coalition Of Buccaneers Mercenary Services	Posted - 2007.12.04 16:23:00 - [10] TBH what bothers me more is the Rokh with its uber range bonus, while the other snipers try to get their old range back the rokh had already passed that range before the changes and will now be the ultimate sniper out there, effordlessly fitting a sniping setup! Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
MyOwnSling Gallente RONA Corporation FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 17:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Kunming TBH what bothers me more is the Rokh with its uber range bonus, while the other snipers try to get their old range back the rokh had already passed that range before the changes and will now be the ultimate sniper out there, effordlessly fitting a sniping setup! That's its role, it's a sniping platform. Caldari are the long range race (supposedly), so I see no problem at all with this. ------------- Stop whining. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face...
Gillman Minmatar Smoking Hillbillys THORN Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 17:44:00 - [12] The Tempest is one of the Republic Fleet's key vessels; a versatile gunship proficient at long-range bombardment and capable of dishing out specialized types of damage with great effectiveness. A well-rounded squadron of Tempests has been proven time and time again to be an invaluable wild card in a fleet battle, one which opponents should ignore at their own peril. taken from the tempes description ;) the tempest has always been a described as a long range boat and has always been one of the best snipers. but alas all good things has to come to an end. yes i might be a bit whiney about it but i love that ship so much... probably to much there for ccp want me to use something else :P but i do agree why do the most know sniper in the game struggle to get into the sniper role while the rokh does not ? also the megathron will suffer from this. but i do also have to admit that taking out interceptors with a sniper is a bit wrong. But i just love it so much *SOB*
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.12.04 18:15:00 - [13] Edited by: Cadiz on 04/12/2007 18:17:14 Minnies are really getting hit hardest here. Most Amarr & Gallente ships, due to slot layout, made more use of tracking enhancers (which are unchanged) than computers. Caldari sniping ships already have optimal bonuses, so it's a no-contest to just script any tracking computers you may use for tracking speed. The Minmatar, however...slot balance usually dictates you didn't have enough spare lows to go load up on tracking enhancers, so you had to use some of those extra mids for tracking comps. Both optimal & tracking are fairly necessary, as artillery is somewhat underwhelming in regards to both, so it's not really a simple matter of just picking up one or the other, either. Poor Artypest. Refitting my Artycane is going to be interesting, too...bah. And I could actually fight off less competent nano-ships in that thing. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2007.12.04 18:31:00 - [14] Edited by: Omarvelous on 04/12/2007 18:31:13 Originally by: Gillman I need some cheese with my whine please Want to trade your damage bonus or rate of fire bonus for optimal range bonus? You want a ship that does it all - this game is not for you. Learn to work in a group and use your collective advantages for a particular combat style. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.12.04 18:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Omarvelous Edited by: Omarvelous on 04/12/2007 18:31:13 Originally by: Gillman I need some cheese with my whine please Want to trade your damage bonus or rate of fire bonus for optimal range bonus? You want a ship that does it all - this game is not for you. Learn to work in a group and use your collective advantages for a particular combat style. A ship that does it all, you mean like the Megathron?
Byzan Zwyth Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.12.04 18:55:00 - [16] most of the time I'm with CCP and their changes but this nerf has me stumped. to get the same range and lock you will have crap lock time and tracking. ---------------------- Rank: Tech 1 and a 1/2 cannon fodder Pointless forum slowing bandwidth hogging signature pic inc?
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.12.04 18:58:00 - [17] Sadly Destroyers get nerfed also thanks to the change, and thats one entire class of ships that didn't need a nerf. So long small sniping ships, nice knowing you.
Dismus	Posted - 2007.12.04 19:02:00 - [18] Edited by: Dismus on 04/12/2007 19:02:26 Originally by: Gillman The Tempest is one of the Republic Fleet's key vessels; a versatile gunship proficient at long-range [b]bombardment and capable of dishing out specialized types of damage with great effectiveness. A well-rounded squadron of Tempests has been proven time and time again to be an invaluable wild card in a fleet battle, one which opponents should ignore at their own peril.[/i] Below, I have provided the dictionary definition of "bombard" Quote: bom+bard (bŏm-bSrd', bəm-) Pronunciation Key tr.v. bom+bard+ed, bom+bard+ing, bom+bards 1 To attack with bombs, shells, or missiles. 2 To assail persistently, as with requests. See Synonyms at attack, barrage2. 3 To irradiate (an atom). 4 To attack with a cannon firing stone balls. Now, the dictionary deffinition of "snipe" (I've removed refferences to the species of bird known as a Snipe and other irrelevant deffinitions - coincidentally, snipe is an apparently versatile word) Quote: snipe Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[snahyp] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, plural snipes, (especially collectively) snipe for 1, 2; verb sniped, snip+ing. ûnoun 3. a shot, usually from a hidden position. ûverb (used without object) 4. to shoot or hunt snipe. 5. to shoot at individuals as opportunity offers from a concealed or distant position: The enemy was sniping from the roofs. As can be readily seen from the dictionary deffinitions, it would be relatively hard to "attack with bombs, shells, or missiles" while remaining concealed. The minmatar ships are designed for long-range bombardment, meaning they exist to smash things to pieces with repetitive volleys of explosively-charged death. Maybe I'm reading into this too much, but it would really seem to me that by definition terms, the Tempest hasn't changed. You typically don't "bombard" something that's moving very fast and trying to escape... "bombardments" tend to be reserved for things that aren't going anywhere, or atleast aren't going there at a great rate of knots... But like I said... maybe I'm missing something.
Dismus	Posted - 2007.12.04 19:04:00 - [19] Edited by: Dismus on 04/12/2007 19:04:45
Shereza	Posted - 2007.12.04 19:21:00 - [20] Seems like a simple solution to me. 2 sensor boosters running range and 1 running lock scripts, 1 or two tracking CPUs running tracking scripts, and 1 or 2 tracking enhancers in the low slots. Tracking enhancers provide the same optimal range bonus as TCs so you can, if you so decided to, sacrifice tank or gank and get the same optimal range while using your mid slots for tracking bonuses. Signal amps are a different beast. If un-scripted sensor boosters on Singularity are only 33% as effective as they are now then they're still bette than signal amps, especially if you're using lows for tracking enhancers and damage/RoF mods.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.04 19:40:00 - [21] Sniping is boring, good riddance.
Horst Schimanski	Posted - 2007.12.04 19:51:00 - [22] What "long range" is lies in the eye of the beholder.
Krows	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:29:00 - [23] Originally by: Nian Banks Sadly Destroyers get nerfed also thanks to the change, and thats one entire class of ships that didn't need a nerf. So long small sniping ships, nice knowing you. I didn't think about this and thus I am sad. Seriously, I've been meaning to get my thrasher shooting to 70km. What I say here... does not reflect on my corp or alliance.
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:33:00 - [24] Well, since CCP wants to induce more cooperative gameplay, the right answer is: Sniper with two time more SB's as pre-patch (range and speed scripts) + Scimitar tracking links support.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:45:00 - [25] Originally by: Ulstan Quote: I usually sit between 150 - 190km in my Tempest (fly mostly minnmatar ships) and i can hit about any thing ;) if im well placed every thing from interceptors -> BSs so i would say every thing is my target ;) And now you see why they introduced ARM scripts in the first place. Looks right to me. Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes If you'd suicide gank yourself for what you're hauling, don't.
Gillman Minmatar Smoking Hillbillys THORN Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Semkhet Sniper with two time more SB's as pre-patch (range and speed scripts) + Scimitar tracking links support. only problem is that they wont remove the stacking penalty (or so i believe) but it seems i have to train an alt in tracking links ;)
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:55:00 - [27] Fly a raven
Tao Han Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:55:00 - [28] Originally by: Xaen Originally by: Ulstan Quote: I usually sit between 150 - 190km in my Tempest (fly mostly minnmatar ships) and i can hit about any thing ;) if im well placed every thing from interceptors -> BSs so i would say every thing is my target ;) And now you see why they introduced ARM scripts in the first place. Looks right to me. But then again, there is something very wrong with you.
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys Monkey Religion	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:09:00 - [29] A good point was raised though, Tin Cans are getting hit, and they're hardly a class that needs it. Perhaps another role bonus is in order? ---------------- Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
Ulstan	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:27:00 - [30] Quote: TBH what bothers me more is the Rokh with its uber range bonus, while the other snipers try to get their old range back the rokh had already passed that range before the changes and will now be the ultimate sniper out there As it should be. Before it's range bonus really didn't come into play that much.

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