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Rodric Noble
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Posted - 2004.03.09 17:04:00 -
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Looking around these boards, a carebear seems to be defined several different ways. OK, so it's never used except as an insult. But what is it? Is it:
a) a player who doesn't like PvP?
b) a pirate who gatecamps a lot?
c) a pirate who refuses to gatecamp?
d) someone who pirate-hunts?
e) someone who uses exploits?
f) someone who makes a point of not using exploits?
g) A cute cuddly bear that's your friend for ever?
I think we ought to know the truth.
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Amy Foxx
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Posted - 2004.03.09 17:17:00 -
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Looking around these boards, a carebear seems to be defined several different ways. OK, so it's never used except as an insult. But what is it? Is it:
a) a player who doesn't like PvP?
b) a pirate who gatecamps a lot?
c) a pirate who refuses to gatecamp?
d) someone who pirate-hunts?
e) someone who uses exploits?
f) someone who makes a point of not using exploits?
g) A cute cuddly bear that's your friend for ever?
I think we ought to know the truth.
As someone who used to be in my guild, in Earth and beyond said to me lastnight, after chatting with him, "A care-bear, is someone who complains, when they get there ship blown out from under them".
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Rodric Noble
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Posted - 2004.03.09 17:25:00 -
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So it's related to losing a ship, not to the circumstances under which the ship is lost? Thanks, that makes this forum rather easier to understand. :-)
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Jeremiah De'sparta
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Posted - 2004.03.09 17:26:00 -
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my view of a carebear, as i am a pirate, is someone that:
Almost never leaves .5 sec.
Is involved mostly with mining (cheap ore), manufacturing or reserch.
When comfronted in batle RUN FOR SAFE SPOTS!
If loose their ship or whatever, they don't forguet u, reaten u with **** like voodoo and curse non-stop.
for the carebears i ahve somehting to say:
if u don't wnat to die stain in .5.
ccp can't help u forever by increasing the sentry range.
and for the ones that get really mad i say this: "i am just trying to do my job, its nothing personal. get oever it and have a nice day tkx for the loot" .
if u wnat to mine safely in derilik corp 1 is seling passes.
if u wnat to bring ur frind to fight us u are more than welcome to intertain u as ppl usualy just log when they see our baner on local.
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cypriss
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Posted - 2004.03.09 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: cypriss on 09/03/2004 17:35:39
this was posted on another forum but i think urbandictionary.com says it best.
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A person who enjoys playing games that were ment for Player vs Player combat, but instead play against Bots or monsters.
basically someone who avoids PvP on a PvP server.
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2004.03.09 18:12:00 -
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If you have to ask ...
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2004.03.09 18:31:00 -
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Carebears are pastel colored stuffed animals that have Tachyons in their stomachs with rainbow, moon, and other types of freq crystals on them.  Carebear stare anyone? 
But seriously, the term carebear has been used to refer to folks in several ways.
1. People who don't PvP and avoid any type of confrontation like the plague. If caught by pirates in .4 or lower you may hear comments like "I just got that ship and don't have insurance" or "I have lots of powerful friends that will hunt you down forever."
2. People who whine and complain a lot for the game to change rather than adapting and playing the game. This can include miners, traders, pirates and pretty much anyone who thinks the game should adapt to them and not the other way around.
3. Large cuddly bears in the aforementioned color scheme. 
Hope that helps!
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Tribunal
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Posted - 2004.03.09 19:34:00 -
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'Carebear' is a term like 'fanboi' etc.. it was originally made by some 13 year olds little sister and just like those l33t d0ods who still think they are in fashion (as if they ever were) think that when they use it, they arn't embarassing themselves. When boody hell of course they are. Calling someone a 'care bear?' ROFL if that isn't sad I don't know what is. Reminds me of junior high school or something.
Anyway to answer your question, its someone who doesn't want to partake in PvP, but generally the term carebear is used by 'griefers' - people that don't want to PvP with people that want the same (becaues they get their asses handed to them) but want to fight those that don't want to PvP (and thus be able to gank them and feel big). Hence an explanation of the griefer - care bear relationship.
Generally those that have a big issue with these 'care bears' are people that don't understand that commercial mmporgs consist vastly of these people, with the PvP people being a minority by far. EVE caters for both on one server but recent arguments have been amazing about how these same 'peaceful' players should feel some risk in high sec areas where they shouldn't be able to 'play risk-free'. Yeah right ;)
Thousands of years in the future, the best technology and the government can't completely and utterly protect their people in the highest secs from pirates? Somehow I doubt that.
Summary: PvPers fight it out in 0.4 or less whether its bounty hunters, freelance police, corp wars, alliances etc.
'Care Bears', a hideous term refers to those that rarely ever leave high sec and thus do not engage in PvP at all.
And griefers are people who spend most of their time ganking these very same people who don't want to fight (and thus are now attempting to get CCP to give them bcak their griefing time by slowly attempting to make ganking possible in higher secs - something that is never going to happen).
Thanks :)
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AwiL
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Posted - 2004.03.09 20:09:00 -
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to sum it up a carebear is basically an empire junky, they never go in system < .5 and when they do and lose a ship they make empty threats of 20+ battleships coming for you, and sh*t like u've been added to our kos list. most of the people that fall into this "carebear" category have little or no pvp experience/skills.
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Rodric Noble
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Posted - 2004.03.09 20:11:00 -
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I see. So the term's used rather loosely but basically means 'someone who doesn't like being shot at'.
Or alternatively a colourful bear with a heart on its chest...think I prefer this definition.
Thanks all.
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Reah
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Posted - 2004.03.09 20:59:00 -
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once upon a time 'carebear' was a term for those who dident want to fight ppl and prefered mining, preferably afk in safe space, and similar non combat activities..
today its more like everyone u dont like, pirates are carebears if they dont ask u politely for a donation when u pass torugh systems etc, its just an overused flame everyone uses vs everyone tbh 
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Carfax
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Posted - 2004.03.09 22:06:00 -
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one example of a carebear thread in missions where they are complaining that lvl 4 agent missions will require working in groups and they don't want to so therefore there shouldn't be such missions coz it excludes them and thats unfair
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.03.09 22:58:00 -
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'Carebear' is a term like 'fanboi' etc.. it was originally made by some 13 year olds little sister and just like those l33t d0ods who still think they are in fashion (as if they ever were) think that when they use it, they arn't embarassing themselves. When boody hell of course they are. Calling someone a 'care bear?' ROFL if that isn't sad I don't know what is. Reminds me of junior high school or something.
Anyway to answer your question, its someone who doesn't want to partake in PvP, but generally the term carebear is used by 'griefers' - people that don't want to PvP with people that want the same (becaues they get their asses handed to them) but want to fight those that don't want to PvP (and thus be able to gank them and feel big). Hence an explanation of the griefer - care bear relationship.
Generally those that have a big issue with these 'care bears' are people that don't understand that commercial mmporgs consist vastly of these people, with the PvP people being a minority by far. EVE caters for both on one server but recent arguments have been amazing about how these same 'peaceful' players should feel some risk in high sec areas where they shouldn't be able to 'play risk-free'. Yeah right ;)
Thousands of years in the future, the best technology and the government can't completely and utterly protect their people in the highest secs from pirates? Somehow I doubt that.
Summary: PvPers fight it out in 0.4 or less whether its bounty hunters, freelance police, corp wars, alliances etc.
'Care Bears', a hideous term refers to those that rarely ever leave high sec and thus do not engage in PvP at all.
And griefers are people who spend most of their time ganking these very same people who don't want to fight (and thus are now attempting to get CCP to give them bcak their griefing time by slowly attempting to make ganking possible in higher secs - something that is never going to happen).
Thanks :)
Ah... now it all makes sense.
Could you tell us who wrote this originally please?
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2004.03.09 23:06:00 -
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"Carebear" is a derogitory term used by a VERY specific group to attempt to make those with dissimilar interest feel inferior. Similar to racism.
For more info see this post:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=64889
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Vodalus
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Posted - 2004.03.10 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: Vodalus on 10/03/2004 01:29:36
ToysłCare Bears became "America's Teddy Bear" with over 40 Million Care Bears toys sold between 1983 and 1987 alone.
MoviesłThe Care Bears Movie was a huge box office hit. Three successful sequels followed it.
TelevisionłThe Care Bears starred for two seasons on an ABC television network series. They also starred in their own syndicated series and two specials.
PublishingłCare Bears appeared in children's books, comic books, coloring and activity books. Over 45 million books were published.
AudiołCare Bears collections of children's songs were best-sellers in their category.
Greeting CardsłAmerican Greetings sold over 70 million Care Bears cards in the 80s.
enjoy!
edit: how many of you use the term "carebear" without having a freakin clue what you're talking about 
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EVE is primarily a PVP game
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2004.03.10 04:38:00 -
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Do you remember the Carebears' cousins? Who are they, noobie gankers? Just a guess.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Harakiri
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Posted - 2004.03.10 07:44:00 -
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Edited by: Harakiri on 10/03/2004 07:46:45
On these forums a Carebear is someone who doesnt have the same opinion as the guy who first says the word "Carebear" .
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Vigo Barboza
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Posted - 2004.03.10 09:22:00 -
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Simply put a carebear is someone who wants all the rewards with none of the risk.
The risk carebears pose is that they tend to be very vocal in the forums and if not countered could influence CCP to nerf some of the mechanisms of risk in the hands of other players (PvP)- thus reducing the fun and involvment of gameplay.
A broad trend thats developed recently. elements of PvP are nerfed (gate guns) levels of risk rebalanced with Uber, Chase-you-around-belts, jump in on top of you, Mega NPC rats.
EvE gameplay will suffer hugely if it continues to deliver risk mechanisms through scripted AI (NPC Rats) and is kept out of the hands of other players.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.03.10 12:40:00 -
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A "carebear", don't like the term as much as i don't like "griefer", is a player who lacks the Multiplayer game mentality.
People who think that others should not have the ability to affect, in various ways depending on viewpoint, their gameplay in a way that according to them ruins it.
People who can't grasp and accept the competitiveness, in various fields, that is inherent in all multiplayer games. Who can't understand that other might be playing the game differently because that's how they have fun and not because their ultimate goal it to ruin someone others game.
"I pay/play the game, so why is X able to ruin my efforts/game doing X,Y,Z things."
(Keep in mind this applies when X,Y,Z are legitimate, game mechanic supported actions.)
In a nut shell people who play Multiplayer games with a Single player game mentality.
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ClarCE
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Posted - 2004.03.10 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: cypriss on 09/03/2004 17:35:39
this was posted on another forum but i think urbandictionary.com says it best.
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A person who enjoys playing games that were ment for Player vs Player combat, but instead play against Bots or monsters.
basically someone who avoids PvP on a PvP server.
Yeah you're right, because NPC's arent really there are they.
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2004.03.10 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: Soul Reaver on 10/03/2004 13:12:23
My take on this would be anyone who is playing a touted PvP game whilst complaining about PvP.
These players should really be playing the Sims Online instead!
Possible finer definitions would be.
1. Never leaves empire space for fear of losing the all precious STUFF. All bow down to Stuff.
2. Never leaves dock for fear of losing the all precious STUFF. All bow down to Stuff.
3. If they do on rare occasion leave dock they always travel with 4 warp core stabs and 4 MWD just in case. Dont want to risk losing the all precious stuff now. All bow down to Stuff.
4. On the rare occasion they might see a Pirate in empire they immediatly hit all 4 MWD and logoff. Then come on here and complain about being ganked by pirates. Nasty pirates.
In summary
a) a player who doesn't like PvP?
YES mainly although not always.
b) a pirate who gatecamps a lot?
NO never although that would be a first I guess!
c) a pirate who refuses to gatecamp?
Is there one? It is afterall the only way within Eve a pirate/ganker/griefer whatever you want to label them can ply their trade!
d) someone who pirate-hunts?
God forbid! Thats what I do and I would hardly call moi a Carebear! Anyone who does I will complain and then send Cults 20 battleships after you. Ok I mean 4!!
e) someone who uses exploits?
NOPE not this either. Still exploit goal posts seem to move daily at the Gm's whim :)
"To be or not to be an exploit? That is the question"!
f) someone who makes a point of not using exploits?
No thats called a conciencous player :)
g) A cute cuddly bear that's your friend for ever?
YES and NO! Cute and cuddly maybe! Friend? hmm NO As they usually ruin online RPG in the long haul! Especially the ones that started out as PvP oriented games like this one did :(
Hope that helps but then I am bias as All I do and have done for 10 months is PvP
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2004.03.10 15:01:00 -
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Those that have talent/skill, can do anything in the game, are called Carebears
those that don't, are called grief-- er pirates 
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2004.03.10 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Soul Reaver on 10/03/2004 15:23:18
Couldnt disagree more Kaaii :)
I consider I have talent and Skill and yet I would loathe being called a carebear!
Yes it is a derogatory term and widely used, although as with all terms it sometimes fits perfectly :)
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2004.03.10 16:16:00 -
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A carebear is just just a polite way of calling someone a ****er when they happen to play the game in a way you disagree with.
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2004.03.10 23:58:00 -
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The "Carebear" definition is all in the eyes of the beholder.
Many would say - "Man that Riz! He's such a lame-azz carebear!" Because I mine ore for the corp factories and don't rush into combat with the odds stacked against me. That's cool - I really could give a rats azz what anyone thinks anyway...
Others would say "Yeah that Riz guy is no carebear but he ain't no gutsy PvP guy either." Which is where I see myself. I'll fight in a gang or in a pair. I don't go looking for 1vs1 fights. I also don't whine when I get killed or talk smack in local either. As a rule I just simply avoid overtly risky situations. If I die then I die because I was plain stupid. Not because I was AFK or didn't use the map and complain when my ship gets destroyed...
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Tayla
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Posted - 2004.03.11 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Tayla on 11/03/2004 10:52:20
I am confused..so let me get this straight
A CARE BEAR ISą
a) Somebody who cares enough about the game to promote it and in their own way help others to develop and to enjoy their game experience in the hope that it will ultimately enhance their own game quality.
Or
Those that just want to be left alone to play in their own way and resent interference in their game play.
Surely then if (a) is the case, then most who write on this forum are care bears, but if (b) is the choice, then clearly they are missing the point of the game and are set for disappointment one time or other.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.03.11 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tayla on 11/03/2004 10:52:20
I am confused..so let me get this straight
A CARE BEAR IS…
a) Somebody who cares enough about the game to promote it and in their own way help others to develop and to enjoy their game experience in the hope that it will ultimately enhance their own game quality.
Or
Those that just want to be left alone to play in their own way and resent interference in their game play.
Surely then if (a) is the case, then most who write on this forum are care bears, but if (b) is the choice, then clearly they are missing the point of the game and are set for disappointment one time or other.
The care part of carebear involves only the specific individual not the game or any other person.
B is the case.
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Mitchman
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Posted - 2004.03.11 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Mitchman on 11/03/2004 12:30:23
The word "carebear" is used as an "elitist" word to describe people that do not want the same out of a game as the PvP gamers or power gamers. I've never been fond of the word, usually because it's used in a insulting or elitist context.
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.03.11 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: Adriana on 11/03/2004 12:46:45
Carebear is generally accepted to be someone who doesn't seek out, or flat out avoids PvP.
I think it would be a mistake however to say that these players don't like competition. They just seek it out in other ways.
Eve has a lot of ways to compete other than PvP. Just look at the various trades, and the economic potential in them.
I would also say, that in general "carebears" I have met seem to be better adjusted than most pirates (read griefers) who have some rather large issues. They tend to be more social and relationship oriented. Think cooperative unions.
Griefers seem to think being anti-social is a badge of honor and they wear that badge proudly and loudly. They enjoy ruining someone elses game experiences. It's what they live for. These are the people that you would expect to torture small defenseless animals. Think gang mentality.
I should note however that griefers are not to be confused with adreneline jockeys. The adreneline jocky is that ever so rare person who REALLY likes PvP...against competent targets. These are the people who will get out there, risk everything (game wise) against other people like them, just to have the thrill of competing against the best AI any current game has to offer. Win or lose they like to play the game to it's fullest in a high contact PvP enviroment. The problem is, these people are rare. Most so called PvPers are nothing more than griefers, picking on people who aren't set up to defend themselves (in this game...miners).
I haven't been playing long myself, but I can tell you if my experiences in other games holds true, you aren't likely to find the adreneline jockeys cruising the belts looking for miners, or gate camping defenseless ships, you will find them in 0.0 space, armed to the teeth and looking for a real fight. I would also guess that if you want to find them, you would probably have the best bet of reaching them in the larger 0.0 corps. mOo, CA, FE, etc.
Lots of griefers there as well I'm sure, but you don't get that organized and that good without someone at the top being able to do BOTH. Gang mentality gets you nowhere really. Co-opperative mentality gets you a lot further usually. Being able to co-opperate AND go toe to toe with any gutter punk who wants to stand up and make a name for himself gets you into the big time...or dead 
(oh, and one little addition, I don't think that someone complaining about their ship getting blown out from under them makes them a carebear, it makes them human. Smack talk and threats don't do it either...that just makes you laughable.)
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Darker
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Posted - 2004.03.12 09:52:00 -
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People seem to forget these "carebears" are an essential part in the games mechanics ,minerals supply ,research ,production... basically the market's gears of production and comsumption.
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