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Aliza Snow	Posted - 2007.12.06 11:04:00 - [1] Edited by: Aliza Snow on 06/12/2007 11:06:30 Edited by: Aliza Snow on 06/12/2007 11:05:53 Well I finally got HDR + AA running smooth after a bit of work, so I bought the cheapest shiniest bucket of bolts thing on the market and tossed together a silly video to show it off. 90 seconds of pointless flying around, but hey it shows off the cloaking effect. My system is an 8800GT & AMD 6000+ and I used the nHancer app to get the HDR + AA working together - several posts about how to get it going on these forums. Totally worth it, framerate is rock solid and it looks a ton better than the default HDR and no-AA, or AA w/ no-HDR. Looks sweet IMO, mad props to CCP for their new engine and graphics :) screenshot : http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0712/hdr_aa.jpg video : http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0712/sigil_demo.avi * edit, fixed URLs to be actually URLs. :\|
Aliza Snow	Posted - 2007.12.06 20:44:00 - [2] Well I see this got some views, but no replies :(
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.06 20:45:00 - [3] Downloading now... ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.12.06 20:48:00 - [4] too many boot.ini files and bugs and stuff. you would of gotten replys if you posted in the videos forums. just saying. downloading now. Official fanboy of jenny< pink supporter! looking to work in the art department with CCP, 3 years and counting. http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Dropthi
Aliza Snow	Posted - 2007.12.06 20:58:00 - [5] LOL, I didn't even realize there was a videos forum >_<
MissileRus	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:03:00 - [6] looks awesome :) --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:08:00 - [7] ok now that looks the same quality as the trailer did. very nice. Official fanboy of jenny< pink supporter! looking to work in the art department with CCP, 3 years and counting. http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Dropthi
Aarin Wrath	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:10:00 - [8] How did you get AA + HDR to work? ... or could you link to the forum posts that explain how? Thanks
Judicator Aldaris Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:16:00 - [9] Originally by: MotherMoon ok now that looks the same quality as the trailer did. very nice. Hey MotherMoon, are you a Digipen student? just asking because of your sig.
Aliza Snow	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:25:00 - [10] If you have a recent nVidia card (I have an 8800 GT, should work on other 8xxx series) then get the nHancer app (http://www.nhancer.com/). Turn on anti-aliasing and enable the "Oblivion HDR + AA" setting. Try a few until you get good performance and video quality - I can post my exact settings in a few hours, at work atm. ;) For ATI I understand it's possible to do it directly in the Catalyst control panel but I'm not familiar with ATI cards so I can't help there.
Kira Direll Niflhel TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:33:00 - [11] Edited by: Kira Direll on 06/12/2007 21:34:45 edit: okay you were faster :) well i cant find oblivion HDR+AA settings in the enhancer. its in the preconfigured list right? and do i have to turn the HDR ingame off then? --- Disclaimer: sadly, all dumbass opinions or expressions i make _do_ reflect on my corp. they might not reflect on individual members, but who am i to not take responsibility and act accoordingly?
Rhaegor Stormborn Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Aliza Snow If you have a recent nVidia card (I have an 8800 GT, should work on other 8xxx series) then get the nHancer app (http://www.nhancer.com/). Turn on anti-aliasing and enable the "Oblivion HDR + AA" setting. Try a few until you get good performance and video quality - I can post my exact settings in a few hours, at work atm. ;) Thank you. [PIA] Recruitment Thread
Mengan Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:37:00 - [13] Cormorant+HDR+AA @ 2560x1600, maxed out Running with 8800GTX SLI QX6700 @ 3.2Ghz and Dell 30" ------------------------
Aliza Snow	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:42:00 - [14] Originally by: Kira Direll Edited by: Kira Direll on 06/12/2007 21:34:45 edit: okay you were faster :) well i cant find oblivion HDR+AA settings in the enhancer. its in the preconfigured list right? and do i have to turn the HDR ingame off then? You leave HDR turned on ingame. The Oblivion HDR+AA setting is on the far right tab in nHancer (Compatibility tab maybe? I don't have the app in front of me unfortunately). Just make sure you have selected the EVE Online profile in the left hand window first so you're editing that one and not some other game. :)
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:45:00 - [15] Nemesis. :D warp drive active \| nature vraie
Kira Direll Niflhel TALIONIS ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:45:00 - [16] ah there! AA-compatibility pulldown menu. i never thought about looking there. g thank you! --- Disclaimer: sadly, all dumbass opinions or expressions i make _do_ reflect on my corp. they might not reflect on individual members, but who am i to not take responsibility and act accoordingly?
Judicator Aldaris Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:47:00 - [17] Ive tried to make this work for a while now, but with no luck. Any of you that made it work is running windows Vista?, I cant get it working and I cant figure out why.
Aliza Snow	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:48:00 - [18] Edited by: Aliza Snow on 06/12/2007 21:49:00 Yep I'm running Vista 64 bit. Check this thread in about 5-6 hours and I can post detailed settings, or maybe someone else can :)
Aarin Wrath	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Aliza Snow If you have a recent nVidia card (I have an 8800 GT, should work on other 8xxx series) then get the nHancer app (http://www.nhancer.com/). Turn on anti-aliasing and enable the "Oblivion HDR + AA" setting. Try a few until you get good performance and video quality - I can post my exact settings in a few hours, at work atm. ;) For ATI I understand it's possible to do it directly in the Catalyst control panel but I'm not familiar with ATI cards so I can't help there. Ahhh. Thanks !!!
Judicator Aldaris Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Aliza Snow Edited by: Aliza Snow on 06/12/2007 21:49:00 Yep I'm running Vista 64 bit. Check this thread in about 5-6 hours and I can post detailed settings, or maybe someone else can :) Thx, that would be great. I will try and take some nHancer screenshots so maybe you can tell what Im doing wrong.
Brados Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:54:00 - [21] doesn't work for me. Running a gf8800 GTS on C2Duo with Windows XP. Tried with alot of variations but can't get AA working.. even without HDR any suggestions?
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:57:00 - [22] It all works apart from declocking which turns into white squares. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Terex193 Amarr Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:59:00 - [23] the new retribution is awesome! Check it out with Hdr and AA on its so hot! :D Insert Catchy Signature Here
Judicator Aldaris Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.06 22:04:00 - [24] Originally by: Brados doesn't work for me. Running a gf8800 GTS on C2Duo with Windows XP. Tried with alot of variations but can't get AA working.. even without HDR any suggestions? I can't turn on AA either, even without HDR. Those AA&HDR screenis are so hot, I want that!
MissileRus	Posted - 2007.12.06 22:51:00 - [25] Edited by: MissileRus on 06/12/2007 22:51:48 Originally by: Mengan Cormorant+HDR+AA @ 2560x1600, maxed out Running with 8800GTX SLI QX6700 @ 3.2Ghz and Dell 30" sex! edit: more please --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Lord DerekSegan	Posted - 2007.12.06 23:03:00 - [26] very very nice, can you please explain how to do it with nHancer? Hello
Aslann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.12.06 23:24:00 - [27] Goddamnit, even with nhancer installed I cant get the AA to work :-/ (yes I selected the oblivion thing as well :() ______________________
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.06 23:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Judicator Aldaris Originally by: Brados doesn't work for me. Running a gf8800 GTS on C2Duo with Windows XP. Tried with alot of variations but can't get AA working.. even without HDR any suggestions? I can't turn on AA either, even without HDR. Those AA&HDR screenis are so hot, I want that! You need to set the AA settings to "Overide application settings". --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Ethon Avalon Helios Incorporated Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.06 23:35:00 - [29] nice :)
Aslann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:01:00 - [30] Edited by: Aslann on 07/12/2007 00:05:24 Edited by: Aslann on 07/12/2007 00:03:16 Edited by: Aslann on 07/12/2007 00:02:07 It would seem it doesnt work for me when I try to only set AA for eve, if I change it in the global settings it does work (just AA, with the general compatibility mode). Turning on HDR in game breaks the AA though :P. HDR + compatibility mode on the oblivion thing results in working AA, but now I have those settings for all my programs :(. HDR + AA eats 50% of my fps :( (down to 110 from 200), just AA I get like 175 :o ______________________
Commander Prishe Caldari The LoneStar Corp Edge Of Sanity	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:22:00 - [31] I made a post about this here
The Economist	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:31:00 - [32] If anyone can work out how to do this with an ati x1950 I will love them long time. Seriously. Long time. No dolla.
Judicator Aldaris Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:47:00 - [33] Got it working, but only in Full screen, no luck with window mode :( However, with normal shadows, high bloom, and 8x AA, 8x AF I¦m getting 60fps in Station and around 30 outside Jita 4-4, but 60 when I there are no other ships in the background. I have a 8800gtx superclocked, core 2 duo E6600, and 2 gigs of Ram, so I was hoping for a little more fps, but well.... Tip: After getting all the nHancer settings right (HDR&AA Oblivion compatibility, AA setting, etc), and after launching Eve, if the AA is still not working (you can notice at the edge of the planet, or the edge of the Eve logo while its moving) try turning HDR off ingame, and turning it back again, don¦t ask me why, but this got it running for me, for some reason.
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:56:00 - [34] IIRC, Nvidia has trouble just even attempting to do this on older-than-8xxx series cards because of hardware issues. There's a reason why the current 8xxx cards still require another program to turn on HDR with AA/AF. Not that its a bad thing, just saying... BTW, zomg @ screens/vid. They look nearly like the trailer! - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
Mysdora	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:33:00 - [35] Edited by: Mysdora on 07/12/2007 01:36:28 Overall there seems to be a nice improvement in image quality, but sadly you can't make MSAA work correctly with deferred shading under dx9. You can see the problem in those screenshots if you look at areas of heavy HDR effects - the antialiasing fails miserably.
Aliza Snow	Posted - 2007.12.07 04:58:00 - [36] As promised here's my settings in nHancer and how to make it work. First you should have a nVidia 8xxx series card, higher the better ! :) Second, you should set EVE to fullscreen, enable Premium Graphic Content, enable HDR, turn Bloom and Shadows to High. Cache set as high as memory usage will let you go. * In the profiles window select Eve Online. Check the "Profile can be activated manually" option. On the right side under Settings make sure 'Profile' is checked. -- Settings tab -- * Check the box for Anti-Aliasing, depending on your card I recommend starting with Multisampling and 8XQ for now. You can try different Multisample or Coverage Sample to compare framerate and graphics quality, I wasn't able to get any Supersampling modes to work though! * Do not turn on the "Enhance in-game AA setting". Leave the rest of the boxes unchecked as well for now. You can go back later and try out Gamma correction or transparent AA if you like, these might make some improvements but also come at a performance hit. * Check the box for Anisotropic Filtering and set it to 8X. Leave the rest at default. -- Optimizations tab -- * Select Texture Filtering, High Quality. You can also try High Quality but it doesn't seem to help the image quality and dropped my framerate a bit. Leave the rest of the options unselected under this tab. -- Compatibility tab -- * Enable Anti-Aliasing compatibility and select the Oblivion "(AA & HDR)" option * Enable Force mip maps option, and choose Trilinear. Leave the rest of the options unchecked. under this tab.
Aliza Snow	Posted - 2007.12.07 05:00:00 - [37] Also a pro tip for you all, it's possible to quickly test different settings by toggling EVE from fullscreen to windowed and then back: Alt-Tab out of EVE Change settings in nHancer Alt-Tab back to EVE Alt-Enter to swap to windowed mode Alt-Enter to swap to fullscreen mode. ;)
Darth Revanant Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.12.07 06:46:00 - [38] What does the 'profile can be activated manually' option do? Do we have to actually activate the profile before we run EVE? How do I do that? _______________ Recruitment Office
Darth Revanant Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.12.07 06:54:00 - [39] To answer my own question: right click the task bar icon, go to profiles and activate EVE Online profile. But EVE will not run with this profile active. I've tried activating it before running EVE and it crashes as it loads the current station I'm in, right before the graphics would show up. I've tried starting EVE and then starting the profile and when I maximize EVE after that it crashes again. Help! _______________ Recruitment Office
Darth Revanant Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.12.07 07:00:00 - [40] Edited by: Darth Revanant on 07/12/2007 07:02:24 Answered my own question again from the other thread. Turns out it doesn't like Coverage Sample 16xQ. Gotta use 16x. Everything else is great! Edit: I'm getting 120 fps with dual 8800GTX cards in SLi. _______________ Recruitment Office
Steini OFSI Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:55:00 - [41] I made nice screenshots of my EOS with the nHancer running and stuff Stargate hugging This is called profile in facial photographing ------- I usually spend some minutes writing a post, usually read it over, decide it doesn't really add anything useful to a conversation and I hit the cancel button. .....This time I didn't hit c
Brados Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.07 16:18:00 - [42] Every 5 secs I get these fps brakes and this causes lags even if I don't move mouse or camera. AA was disalbed when I captured this screen: any suggestions here? btw. got AA working, thanks alot
Aliza Snow	Posted - 2007.12.07 18:17:00 - [43] Hmm what video card are you using? Might try some lower graphics settings to see if that makes it better? Is your system hitting swap maybe? Anything running in the background that could cause problems? Does it have these framerate drops even without AA enabled?
Tolas Aerthyrian Sovereignty	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:31:00 - [44] Thanks Aliza I made the same changes to settings in nhancer as you described for my 8800GT HERE is the result. Top of image is with HDR & Bloom Only, the bottom half of image is with HDR/Bloom + AA/AAF The game looks nicer and still runs smooth! ___________________________________________________ "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2007.12.08 04:41:00 - [45] Originally by: Pottsey It all works apart from declocking which turns into white squares. I get the white squares also. Wonder if anyone doesn't... ...
Tolas Aerthyrian Sovereignty	Posted - 2007.12.08 14:37:00 - [46] I should have checked cloaking. I get white squares now too. Gonna try to adjust spome things to see if I can get rid of them. I will let you know how I make out. ___________________________________________________ "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
MIss DieAlot Amarr Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.12.08 17:25:00 - [47] Fianly i found this tread again. works great on my system, only thing thes anoying is i get white squares while im still cloaked after jumping trough a gate, but i can live with that:) thx again
Asilah Na'kani Freed Radicals	Posted - 2007.12.08 17:42:00 - [48] So uh, why can't you just check some boxes in the graphics menu and get both AA and HDR at the same time? I don't know much about this sort of thing, so forgive my n00biness, but it seems weird you can't choose AA together with HDR in-game. Works like a charm in Crysis for example.
Keav Minmatar Spitfire Inc	Posted - 2007.12.08 17:48:00 - [49] Originally by: The Economist If anyone can work out how to do this with an ati x1950 I will love them long time. Same here! I can turn everything on in Catalyst and it's fine in game but the second you activate HDR all the AA disapears. The old advanced multisampling options you used to be able to turn on with the prefs.ini aren't available anymore either. According to other threads the x1950 pro should be capable of both so has anyone got any ideas for those of us with ATI cards? Thanks in advance ________________________________________________________
Feilamya Minmatar Against all Rules SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.12.08 18:07:00 - [50] Originally by: Aliza Snow Edited by: Aliza Snow on 06/12/2007 11:06:30 Edited by: Aliza Snow on 06/12/2007 11:05:53 screenshot : http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0712/hdr_aa.jpg video : http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0712/sigil_demo.avi It looks nicely antialiased, and I see everyone is happy you can get AA to work. But I fail to see how HDR looks better or more realistic than no HDR. I know what HDR is - at least in theory - but in EVE the difference bewteen HDR and no HDR is too subtle for me to notice and not worth the drop in FPS. Am I the only one who thinks so? Also, when you search for samples of high dynamic range rendering or photography, you usually find bright daylight scenes. This is where HDR is good at and where it is needed because of the large differences in brightness in parts of the image. This is also why most older games favoured night scenes and indoor scenes over daylight outdoor scenes (for example the whole storyline of Unreal I takes place during one night - I mention Unreal I because I tried to do outdoor maps with the editor years ago and had serious problems getting the lighting to look good). Space is dark, so you effectively have only indoor and night scenes in EVE. Maybe that's the problem. Correct me if I'm wrong. (Maybe someone should make two videos - with HDR+AA and without HDR+AA - for comparison)
Zauran	Posted - 2008.01.05 10:56:00 - [51] Originally by: Feilamya Originally by: Aliza Snow Edited by: Aliza Snow on 06/12/2007 11:06:30 Edited by: Aliza Snow on 06/12/2007 11:05:53 screenshot : http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0712/hdr_aa.jpg video : http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0712/sigil_demo.avi It looks nicely antialiased, and I see everyone is happy you can get AA to work. But I fail to see how HDR looks better or more realistic than no HDR. I know what HDR is - at least in theory - but in EVE the difference bewteen HDR and no HDR is too subtle for me to notice and not worth the drop in FPS. Am I the only one who thinks so? Also, when you search for samples of high dynamic range rendering or photography, you usually find bright daylight scenes. This is where HDR is good at and where it is needed because of the large differences in brightness in parts of the image. This is also why most older games favoured night scenes and indoor scenes over daylight outdoor scenes (for example the whole storyline of Unreal I takes place during one night - I mention Unreal I because I tried to do outdoor maps with the editor years ago and had serious problems getting the lighting to look good). Space is dark, so you effectively have only indoor and night scenes in EVE. Maybe that's the problem. Correct me if I'm wrong. (Maybe someone should make two videos - with HDR+AA and without HDR+AA - for comparison) HDR is not the only 3D rendering technique which is quite useless in Eve Online - AF is even less relevant. My piece of advice - turn on AA and forget about the other two, it's just a waste of GPU cycles... I'll start another thread on this.
Marcus Ailichi Lonely Maple Prospecting Group Lonely Maple Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.05 12:01:00 - [52] I did what aliza said and now my eve crasheh at startup even when I reset the settings :D
Icefall Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.05 13:20:00 - [53] Edited by: Icefall on 05/01/2008 13:20:48 Hi, Anybody got a working setup for SLI-cards? I've got a Dell XPS M1730 running Vista Ultimate with 2 x 256 Mb GeForce 8700M GT SLI-cards, 4 Gb ram and Intel Core 2 Extreme X7900 @ 2.8 GHz. Running EVE at 1920 x 1200, getting crap fps and with a lot of the options here I get green flickering across the upper half of the screen, obscuring everything. Selecting nvidias EVE-profile resolves this issue, and gives me decent fps, but AA is gone. Still testing out different options here with the nHancer-tool, but....if anybody have a working setup at this time, that would be much appreciated. Regards,
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.05 13:34:00 - [54] Originally by: Keav Originally by: The Economist If anyone can work out how to do this with an ati x1950 I will love them long time. Same here! I can turn everything on in Catalyst and it's fine in game but the second you activate HDR all the AA disapears. The old advanced multisampling options you used to be able to turn on with the prefs.ini aren't available anymore either. According to other threads the x1950 pro should be capable of both so has anyone got any ideas for those of us with ATI cards? Thanks in advance ATI tray tools? CCC is a bit of a resourse hog anyways --- planetary interaction idea!

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