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Lorek Kelden
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Posted - 2004.03.10 02:58:00 -
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People would all have cruiser there would be alot more pvp and it would be no big deal if someone lost a cruiser. the economy can support those kinds of loses and there would be alot more fighting. which i would think would make the game more fun. but the economy make battleships hard to come by which provent people from fight which make the game boring. I think battle ships being around make EVE an anti pvp game.
So what do you guys think am i right or wrong?
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Anonimous
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Posted - 2004.03.10 03:13:00 -
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If the player feels that he needs to fight, he will. You fight for a reason, not for the fun of it. If your battleship is attacked by another, I'm quite your you will fire back, until your sorly wounded, in which case you will turn tail and RUN. 
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Lorek Kelden
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Posted - 2004.03.10 03:21:00 -
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If everyone is running around with their battleships no one want to lose them so no one fights no one starts real wars. and PVP is shot PVP is fun and makes the game fun. that is why I play the game for fun. I dont know why you play the game. but I'm tired of these guys who hide behind thier battleships. and im not about to risk a battleship in combat. Yes your right people need reasons to fight and no reason is good enough to lose a battle ship so people dont fight how *** is that. A universe full of cowards. and yeah im a coward
but there need to be more PVP and this game is anti pvp. we need to fix that.
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Benimaru Nikaido
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Posted - 2004.03.10 05:24:00 -
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Well you want pvp why dont you go out there and start shooting in your cruiser? Doesnt make any different. Lotsa people out there in cruisers so shoot them and you get your pvp and when you lose you wont cry over your loss.
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Lorek Kelden
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Posted - 2004.03.10 08:23:00 -
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Yeah well then they go get the buddie with the big BS. people to afraid to fight like I said.
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Cantari
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Posted - 2004.03.10 11:16:00 -
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Are you suggesting that battleships be taken out of eve or made even more difficult to get hold of? The reason no one wants to loose a bs is because they are so hard to get. Saving a hundred million when in a cruiser is no easy task, nor is mining to build one. I think you will find that many people take part in wars in bs's and large fleet engagements are a big part of wars in low sec areas. May be you should travel out to greet some of the 00 corps and alliances. ;-)
Also the only way to mine in 00 most of the time is to have battleship support. Take the battleships away or make them harder to get and you loose out on the number of people able tosupport them selves in 00 space. That would drive mega and zyd prices higher making all ships harder to get.
Ive had my two pennys...:-)
Cantari
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2004.03.10 17:59:00 -
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If everyone is running around with their battleships no one want to lose them so no one fights no one starts real wars. and PVP is shot PVP is fun and makes the game fun. that is why I play the game for fun. I dont know why you play the game. but I'm tired of these guys who hide behind thier battleships. and im not about to risk a battleship in combat. Yes your right people need reasons to fight and no reason is good enough to lose a battle ship so people dont fight how *** is that. A universe full of cowards. and yeah im a coward
but there need to be more PVP and this game is anti pvp. we need to fix that.
Join an alliance and shut up.
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Ghenghiz
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Posted - 2004.03.11 23:14:00 -
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People would all have cruiser there would be alot more pvp and it would be no big deal if someone lost a cruiser. the economy can support those kinds of loses and there would be alot more fighting. which i would think would make the game more fun. but the economy make battleships hard to come by which provent people from fight which make the game boring. I think battle ships being around make EVE an anti pvp game.
So what do you guys think am i right or wrong?
Ohh no, I dont agree. It is not hard to take out any BS with a couple of well trained frigate pilots. I have dont it before, I have seen it before and I have heard about it before.
Use your brain and you will come up with ways. Or you could always try and hire the M.O.M
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M.O.M
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Cuisinart
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Posted - 2004.03.12 03:02:00 -
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I'll go with wrong
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Drima Veeshaub
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Posted - 2004.03.12 03:59:00 -
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The objective is to take out their battleships with frigates.
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Lorek Kelden
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Posted - 2004.03.12 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Lorek Kelden on 12/03/2004 21:41:13
You guys have very good points, but If we dont get rid of batltle ships which will never happen. then maybe the economy be losend through inflation. to make bs's easier to get. but if both of these are wrong then what can we do to promote PVP?
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EveJunkie
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Posted - 2004.03.13 06:08:00 -
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Currently there ARE too many battleships in eve. But its player mentality thats the problem. People dont like to take risks and they like to be in the most powerful ship they can afford. CCP have said in the past that they never thought there would be more than 200 battleships in the whole of the universe so the current numbers go to show that theres something wrong.
How they sort it out..who knows. They cant force people out of them by just raising the cost as folk will just mine more to stay in a battleship, more mining wouldnt be good. I'd guess they'll try to use a carrot and stick method. By introducing more ship classes (carrot) and making battleships more vunerable to swarms of lighter craft (stick).
The problem with so many battleships is that they discorage PvP in alot of cases. If we turn up with a mixed fleet of 8 ships our foes will try to gather 18 ships. The call goes out and before long theres 8 vs 18. What happens...no fight & a waste of time for all. Were not going to throw a mixed fleet against 18 battleships.
I'd REALLY like to see more mixed fleets instead of a bunch of people all in BS trying to be "L337" and "Uber" but like I said its player mentailty. CCP cant change that. :(
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Lorek Kelden
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Posted - 2004.03.13 13:28:00 -
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Ok it seems the answer is to have ccp design better frigates and cruisers to throw the balance of power. But we still need to have a way to improve are ability to practice PVP this might help. A good Idea.
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Redon
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Posted - 2004.03.14 06:22:00 -
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i dont completely agree with that. but i see ur point, its expensive to loses bs's. but ccp can help us out alittle bit by introdcuing pure mining ships. mining more gives more minerals, lowers prices, and will make game more fun.
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Lorek Kelden
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Posted - 2004.04.05 13:57:00 -
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Good point redon but now we have titans to worry about and will they ruin the game more the same way battle ships do?
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Maratauo
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Posted - 2004.04.05 15:28:00 -
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I think if you want to promote pvp then you should start an inter-racial war, where if one side does nothing, the other side really destroys them.
As in, say in a war with Gellante vs Calendri, if Gellante lose, no more Gellente, population extinct.
High stakes.
Then people will be forced to fight unless they want to see their territory get smaller and smaller untill you can fit in on the head of a pin.
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Kakita Jalaan
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Posted - 2004.04.05 16:56:00 -
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Inter-faction war is a bit harsh, if there are no safety nets that prevent extinction of one or more factions... Take a look at Planetside, where you have a constant three way struggle, they put in safety nets and everything to prevent the equivalent of homeworlds from being nuked. And it works quite nicely, AFAIK (haven't played in a while).
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Aynen
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Posted - 2004.04.05 17:58:00 -
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on the other hands, if the stakes aren't that high, players will still not risk their battle ships.
If they can simply retreat behind the safety nets then that's what they'll do.
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Aynen
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Posted - 2004.04.05 18:48:00 -
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...unless ofcourse if the only place you can pilot a battleship is in a conquerable sector.
"You got to fight, for your right...
to baaaaaatle ship!" :D
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DampJim
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Posted - 2004.04.05 19:15:00 -
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but man.....if u dont like cowards who run just ignore them.... i got my first Battleship today, a Scorpion... and i have mined hard and long to get it. I would never go and fight with it UNLESS i can afford the insurance not to make me loose it.
When someone gets his/hers BS for the first time and cant afford another one.... they wont risk it. U just live with it
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2004.04.05 20:41:00 -
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I am just sitting here wondering when some pirate is going to come in here and scream CAREBEAR. Always happens when people voice concerns for a ship-type...
Anyways, I payed 100 million for my first battleship. My second was 60 million, and my third 100 again. I only have two. No biggy.
Battleships aren't really the problem. The real problem lies with cruisers. They aren't tough enough to stand the beating, and aren't small enough to avoid it. They aren't fast enough to do the indy-killing, and don't have the turrets for mining and such.
One possible way to go, as I see it, is to make battleships uber mighty (much more HP and so), but make them very much less able to hit ships that are smaller than your avarage suburb.
Maybe increase the model size of them, too.
There is a tiny problem with this, though - frigates tendency to easily jam the BShips down easily.
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Shrug, inter ship balance is very good as is, with the exception of Cruisers.
Get into a bigger corp, which is part of an alliance, and experience some fleet battles. It's fun fighting mOo and Evolution, even though they are a bit too good fer the likes of me
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FileCop AI
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Posted - 2004.04.05 21:34:00 -
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It's pretty damn simple - you can't remove battleships. People are in battleships and won't leave them - bigger is better.
Instead, adapt the game to the battleships and forget about making cruisers/frigs superior or whatever stuff you can come up with. More roids in empire and a bit more high ends in 0.0 space. Then we can go out and have fun. It's not like it's hard to mine a battleship - if you can find the roids.
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Atansa
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Posted - 2004.04.05 22:26:00 -
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People would all have cruiser there would be alot more pvp and it would be no big deal if someone lost a cruiser. the economy can support those kinds of loses and there would be alot more fighting. which i would think would make the game more fun. but the economy make battleships hard to come by which provent people from fight which make the game boring. I think battle ships being around make EVE an anti pvp game.
So what do you guys think am i right or wrong?
And what aircraft carriers make the us boring also.....
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Karhig Duruckhai
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Posted - 2004.04.05 23:48:00 -
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FileCop: thats a little short sighted, and a little selfish. I'm not about to answer the question of how to balance the game, its a huge question that I couldn't answer if I tried. However, the suggestion that the game should simply be adapted for BSs (which is what you seam to be suggesting) and to just relegate all other ship classes to obscurity on the battlefield is simple obsurd.
I myself avoid flying Battleships like the plague, I do from time to time my Corperation and Alliance at times requires a BattleShip and I answer that call as is my duty, but I am a frigate pilot. I love flying frigates, for me they are far more exciting than a BS could ever be. They're small, fast and fragile. They're unforgiving and they're difficult to master, if make a mistake, you pay for it with your ship. It might be a cheap ship, but it still ****es me off to lose them as much, if not more, than the lose of BSs. I like flying cruises too, but for the most part they're a bit useless, so I don't.
I'm not alone in this opinion, I know I'm not. There are hundred (probably thousands) of people that prefer to fly frigates and cruisers, not because they cant fly BattleShips, not because they are not 'l33t PvPers' enough to fly BattleShips, but because they don't want too. Blob wars are dull, tedious and slow. Frigate duels are fast, brutal and extreme.
Are you really saying that CCP should cut off thousands of their member bases from their sources of enjoyment? Are you saying that frigates and cruisers should only be able to fight each other, and should play no useful part in fleet combat.
Thats a little shortsighted, and a lot likely to make many people quit the game. CCP aren't going to do that, they value their customers too much.
I know this doesn't really answer the question, but I simply couldn't allow such a stupedously daft comment to slip by. Its insulting to frigate and cruiser pilots that the BattleShip fanboys would want to cut us out of combat all together, or force us to go along with their ideas.
regards,
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Maratauo
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Posted - 2004.04.06 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: Maratauo on 06/04/2004 01:22:30
Let me think out load a bit:
Let's say that piloting the really big ships can only be legally done if you have a high security rating, and if you pilot one with a low security rating then a very large bounty goes to he who destroys that big ship.
That way, pvp-ing battle ship owners are going to have to defend their prized posession from other players who are looking to make a fortune.
Pilot a battleship with a low security rating and you'd better have strong friends or weak enemies :)
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Cogswell Tornicade
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Posted - 2004.04.06 02:55:00 -
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Declare war on every corp you see thn youll have plenty of pvp..I see too many kills in the last hour looking at the map to be convinced that there is a sever lack of it. how bout trying to play EVE. which is a bit more dynamic than a simple pvp game otherwise maybe quake is more your speed.aww people call in reinforcements how dare they such is the way of things.
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