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Tha Pusher
III ELEMENTS
VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:32:00 -
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Wouldnt you like to be a vaga too?
not whining about the ship, just the complete lack of originality and the boringness (is that a word?!) of seeing vagas everywhere now.
Yesterday say a group of five vagas jump into a 0.0 system and duke it out with another group, all vagas.
Today saw another gang jump into our 0.0 system, all vagas.
In fact, with the exception of an occational curse or zealot, ive seen nothing but vagas in the last 3 weeks.
vagas vagas vagas.
have you no sport!? lol. dont take this too seriously, just trying to brush that chip off my shoulder, heh.
The Lord hates a coward.
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and vagas.
(no, there is no point, enjoy it).
The Anti-Pirates Pirate
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Viper Sam
Minmatar
BLACK-FLAG
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:39:00 -
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Where are you flying? I'm not seeing nearly as many Vagabonds on my neighborhood as you are in yours. Nothing but Vagas? Really?
I find that hard to believe...
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Tha Pusher
III ELEMENTS
VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Viper Sam
Where are you flying? I'm not seeing nearly as many Vagabonds on my neighborhood as you are in yours. Nothing but Vagas? Really?
I find that hard to believe...
believe it sister!
im stationed ina 0.0 sys 30+ jumps from empire, and since the surrounding area is under friendly influence, we tend to get attacked by roaming seek and destroy gangs, which means vagas.
vagas vagas vagas.
but i digress (and drink more whiskey...)
The Anti-Pirates Pirate
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TylerJames
Damage Unlimited Inc
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Viper Sam
Where are you flying? I'm not seeing nearly as many Vagabonds on my neighborhood as you are in yours. Nothing but Vagas? Really?
I find that hard to believe...
He lives in one of those exclusive neighborhoods, where everyone has a vaga....which reminds me, my first car was a vega (1973) had to carry a case of oil in the back to keep it running. But, I digress....
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Last Wolf
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:47:00 -
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Get a gang of Cerbs and/or nano sacs. You're vaga problem is no more. Rapier/huggins would make it that much easier.
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Tha Pusher
III ELEMENTS
VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf
Get a gang of Cerbs and/or nano sacs. You're vaga problem is no more. Rapier/huggins would make it that much easier.
yeah, it looks good on paper, but in the spur of the moment tends to be hard to find enough rapier and hac pilots on at the same time (they obviously know our downtime cuz hey always come when we have little pple on). but like i said, i take eve for what it is so im not losing any sleep over it, just would like to see some more diversity instead of everyone around my sys joining in on the vaga-fad.
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Last Wolf
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:00:00 -
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PS: I'm currently training Minmatar Cruiser V.
Though I'm going more for the Sleip, the vaga is a plus 
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Tha Pusher
III ELEMENTS
VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf
PS: I'm currently training Minmatar Cruiser V.
Though I'm going more for the Sleip, the vaga is a plus
PS - so am I (shhhhh, dont tell anyone!)
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Ariel Dawn
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:21:00 -
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Vagabonds are popular, as well as nano, because they're one of the few ships left that can be fun and effective to fly alone/in small groups. The rest of it is blobs, or stuff that will run into a blob very soon.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:31:00 -
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:38:00 -
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I decided to switch race for my first cruiser V, solely because I didn't want to be just another vaga pilot. You can keep your polycarbs, I can ride my trimarks.
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Maeltstome
Minmatar
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf
Get a gang of Cerbs and/or nano sacs. You're vaga problem is no more. Rapier/huggins would make it that much easier.
I've seen these guys fight, they couldn't organise a hooker in a brothel :S
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Tha Pusher
III ELEMENTS
VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Dawn
Vagabonds are popular, as well as nano, because they're one of the few ships left that can be fun and effective to fly alone/in small groups. The rest of it is blobs, or stuff that will run into a blob very soon.
as much as I wanna argue w/ ya, i cant, your right. The nano ships are pretty damned fun for solo and small gangs. Maybe if we had some webs with better range (and no, im not talkin but overheated domination webs or some other specialty item that 1 on 100 ppl have), but maybe a good, named webber with like a 15km range, but im sure that would throw some other balance out of whack or this or that. for now ill just watch them as they pass by, and hope they run into an asteriod (heh, speakin of, would be pretty cool if u could take damage from colliding into objects like roids and bigger ships 
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Vathar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:35:00 -
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It's a combination of factors.
Invention ... no need to dwell on that one, but vagas are cheap now.
Uniqueness ... Take for instance a deimos, a zealot, a muninn and even a cerberus. All have varying degrees of tank/gank, or medium ranged/sniping abilities, and of course, slightly different weapon systems, but they provide the same kind of hard hitting, well tanked ships (for their size at least)
Even if you go up to CS, the field command ones are all racial variants of the old tank and gank build.
the vagabond is the only T2 ship built for speed, there is simply no alternative. (you can nano pretty much everything with snakes and faction, but that hardly counts)
Territorial Protection ... Not really a secret there, but if you live in 0.0 and are serious about pvping there, you'll encounter camps, bubbles and dictors (we can also expect heavy dictors to bloom there). If you don'twant to waste your time and get podded, you need a ship able to break through one of these camps and survive to wreak havoc behind enemy lines. You also need a ship that can do a u turn and GTFOwhen you've stepped over the anthill and locals form up. Alternative being blobbing, but that ain't so much fun.
I'm not blaming anybody and tbh, my last 40 kills or so have been using a vaga. But it's simply the undisputed king of the hill when it comes to skirmish and hit and run. That's also the only minmatar ship true to our speed philosophy and probably the best designed in the game stat wise (No matter how annoying this ship is, it's remarkably balanced considering the survivability/dps/tankability balance) Each ship requires certain player skills, droneships require micromanagement, Inties require good reflexes and manual piloting skills, when it comes to vaga, you need to know when to engage and when to bail, and the rest follows.
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adriaans
Amarr
Advanced Capital Ship Designs
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:59:00 -
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i don't fly anything nanoed, so you'll never see me in one 
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:01:00 -
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If you think Vagas are bad, try the plague of motherships being dropped on everything and the kitchen sink before heavy dictors proliferate.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I |
HarryManback
Minmatar
Conniving Opportunist
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:02:00 -
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Just fly a huggin/rapier to nearby planet and eject from it. You wont be seeing anymore vagas :)
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Laerelyn Love
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:05:00 -
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I call em Vag-Bands. Everyone and their Vag. Vags tend to flock together. Try to take care of each other... they need a knitting or macrame skill tree...
Awesome thing about ****** Vags (not EVERYONE who flys a vagabond is a vag- just most of em) is that once you pop em, u can ask em in local if their vag hurts...
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tha Pusher
Wouldnt you like to be a vaga too?
not whining about the ship, just the complete lack of originality and the boringness (is that a word?!) of seeing vagas everywhere now.
Yesterday say a group of five vagas jump into a 0.0 system and duke it out with another group, all vagas.
Today saw another gang jump into our 0.0 system, all vagas.
In fact, with the exception of an occational curse or zealot, ive seen nothing but vagas in the last 3 weeks.
vagas vagas vagas.
have you no sport!? lol. dont take this too seriously, just trying to brush that chip off my shoulder, heh.
The Lord hates a coward.
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and vagas.
(no, there is no point, enjoy it).
Yeah true. Everyone should rather fly slow heavy ships that die to gate camps. 
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Taguchi Hiroko
Xoth Inc
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:42:00 -
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vagas or sabres, they are almost all I ever see in 0.0.
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Taguchi Hiroko
vagas or sabres, they are almost all I ever see in 0.0.
Maybe you need a change of scenery than.
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Slayton Ford
STK Scientific
Black-Out
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:58:00 -
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Just have a few Huggins. Then the Vagas will run scared.
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Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:06:00 -
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All the FOTMers are jumping to Minmatar.
Hardly unexpected.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 07/12/2007 01:19:20
Isn't a Fleet Stabber a viable alternative to a Vagabond? It isn't as fast comparing base speed, but it has one more rig slot and it's mass is only 8,000,000kg. It also has much more armor, shields and structure than the Vagabond. It lacks the falloff bonus and damage bonus of the Vagabond, but it has one extra missile slot over the Vaga and regular Stabber.
I've rigged mine with 1 Aux Thruster, 2 Polycarbs, 2 Nanofiber T2 and 2 OD T2, and it reaches 5,000 m/sec before any implants, using a a T2 MWD.
Fleet Stabber is also about 20 million cheaper than a Vaga. I got mine for 70 mil.
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Stuart Price
Caldari
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:45:00 -
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Caldari HAC's kill careless vaga pilots.
Yes, even the Eagle. Never underestimate the tracking potential of railguns in the hands of someone who knows what he's doing, has the skills and remembers that speed fitted ships have poor tanks. Antimatter ammo to 27km is always nice.
As for a nano-cerb, well bye bye mr vagabond.
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Last Wolf
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price
<snip>....As for a nano-cerb .... <snip>
LOL!!! have you looked at the mass of a cerb? Its more than most race's battle cruisers (except of course the caldari BC)
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Avery Fatwallet
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:22:00 -
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Edited by: Avery Fatwallet on 07/12/2007 02:22:26
i cant believe it, people still havent picked up the term "faggabond"
maybe thats because its so popular 
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 07/12/2007 01:19:20
Isn't a Fleet Stabber a viable alternative to a Vagabond? It isn't as fast comparing base speed, but it has one more rig slot and it's mass is only 8,000,000kg. It also has much more armor, shields and structure than the Vagabond. It lacks the falloff bonus and damage bonus of the Vagabond, but it has one extra missile slot over the Vaga and regular Stabber.
I've rigged mine with 1 Aux Thruster, 2 Polycarbs, 2 Nanofiber T2 and 2 OD T2, and it reaches 5,000 m/sec before any implants, using a a T2 MWD.
Fleet Stabber is also about 20 million cheaper than a Vaga. I got mine for 70 mil.
Its decent, but dont compare it to the vaga. Vaga blow it away and tbh vaga is cheaper...3* polycarb arent cheap, compared to 2 polycarb.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.12.07 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 07/12/2007 01:19:20
Isn't a Fleet Stabber a viable alternative to a Vagabond? It isn't as fast comparing base speed, but it has one more rig slot and it's mass is only 8,000,000kg. It also has much more armor, shields and structure than the Vagabond. It lacks the falloff bonus and damage bonus of the Vagabond, but it has one extra missile slot over the Vaga and regular Stabber.
I've rigged mine with 1 Aux Thruster, 2 Polycarbs, 2 Nanofiber T2 and 2 OD T2, and it reaches 5,000 m/sec before any implants, using a a T2 MWD.
Fleet Stabber is also about 20 million cheaper than a Vaga. I got mine for 70 mil.
It works, but lacks the range / damage output a Vaga has. On the upside, I believe it's slightly more agile and you could actually make it work without polycarbons if you're worrying about pricing (you'll get less topspeed). A falloff rig will greatly benefit your ship, ofc.
I've had a nano-Cynabal (lost it in a night of drunken piracy, but it paid itself off) which cost 100-110M tops with rigs, modules and everything with relatively cheap rigs and it was a preety nice ship. Minus point was craptastic damage and lack of buffer compared to a Fleet Stabber, but what it did have over typical stabber/vaga fits is a recon probe launcher for those nasty safespotters
Rifters!
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Tzesaeia
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Posted - 2007.12.07 08:53:00 -
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And I'm a CURSE
Just for those who don't know Curse owns Vaga....
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