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Jory	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:36:00 - [1] HI guys, this is my first post. I just want to hear everyones opinions about the new patch/expantion. I would like to hear mostly bit$%ing, but you can add some praise as well. For the record I have no opinion yet but will add mine when I have played more. I just want a feel of how the new features have hurt the game in "ones" eyes.
omiNATION Gallente Vanguard of the Ouroboros Nation	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:37:00 - [2] i hate the *****fest threads. a lot. [sig] EVE, basically an MMORPG with prison rules. [/sig]
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:40:00 - [3] I hate all the stupid threads as they are all basically duplications of the other 20 threads on the same damn page but people like to attention *** and dont want their worthless 2 pence lost in a whole thread of whines so they make a whole new thread. Originally by:** Tortun Nahme CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:40:00 - [4] Whoa that was a quick reply, again I am not saying I don't like this game, infact i love it, the thing is I do not know how these changes will effect me. Point is the positive ones don't worry me because I will run in to them, it's the bad ones that I want people to share with me. So I can avoid those changes. Oh and by the way, I already know about the Boot.ini thingy so you can leave that one be. That was a mistake, the features are here to stay.
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:44:00 - [5] I like the new graphics, the patch as a patch is great. boot.ini not so much POS issues not so much ________ "It's a good day to die!"
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:44:00 - [6] Sorry this is my first furom post, I did look for this topic already. however I do not have an hour to scan all 5323425 topics. If you can give me the link to where all this has been addressed I will deleate this topic, if I can..can I? Lets stop being rude though. just because you can not see the other person does not mean one should be a jerk.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:48:00 - [7] Originally by: Jory Sorry this is my first furom post, I did look for this topic already. however I do not have an hour to scan all 5323425 topics. If you can give me the link to where all this has been addressed I will deleate this topic, if I can..can I? Lets stop being rude though. just because you can not see the other person does not mean one should be a jerk. Nice, my post wasn't directed at you I was responding to your title about whats annoyed me with Trinity, if your so ready to throw insults without resorting to reading comprehension I would suggest that this thread is not only your first but it should be your last. Originally by: Tortun Nahme CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
Gekkoh Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:49:00 - [8] I hate the fact that the planets, moons and skybox didn't get an update. You look at that more than you do your ships, so I wish they had done the ships second. Otherwise, I'm excited about the new ship types and drone control changes.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:52:00 - [9] Its a *FREE* upgrade, how about that? _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:53:00 - [10] According to my sources, Trinity has threaten the life of Miz and will be subsequently banned Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Jory	Posted - 2007.12.07 00:57:00 - [11] I was not insulting anybody, I was just talking about EVERYONE, there are alot of mean people on these furoms. we should ALL be nicer... THe reason for this post is because everyone on the help channel was whining and they would not say why, I just want to know why?
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:00:00 - [12] Mostly the "I DEAMND COMPENSATION FOR MY WORTHLESS EXISTENCE" threads. Yeah, that's definitely the worst. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Professor Smartypants State Secrets	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:02:00 - [13] I think that the UI is getting worse and worse. I've had occurrences of 2 sets of corp hangars open (1 empty), 2 'standings' tabs when showing info on an npc corp (one empty), windows not remembering what size they were, pinning, unpinning seemingly at random... That horrible bug where every item displays in a single column list and it won't even allow you to sort the items, you have to close and reopen the items panel. Who's idea was disappearing window icons (x and minimize)? its just for show and doesn't help the actual interface at all. Eve has become less usable. That makes me a sad carebear. If you were going to mess with the interface, you should have given us what we've been asking for for ages: - warp scram indicator - web indicator - better EW indicators - a fixed width font (for displaying system names only) The boot.ini thing is a pita too, they even did something similar before when the uninstaller used to remove stuff from your start menu. All that said, I've had an overall increase in fps when using multiple clients, I love the new graphics, but I have yet to explore more of the new content. The only thing I'll really say is that when the interface is clunky, the whole game loses some of its appeal.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:04:00 - [14] at first I hated the disappearing close/minimize but its really growing on me Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:07:00 - [15] Haven't really found a worthy complaint yet for my install. Sure some things may not be as much of an improvement as I expected, but overall I'm quite happy with things. ------ begin signature ----- Little known Eve fact, The original race names were: Amarr Empire, Caldar Empire, Minmatar Republic, The Jovians, and The Remanaquie Federation.
Flex Nebura Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:15:00 - [16] - think I hate the new Hulk. It just doesnt look right
Kurogauna	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:16:00 - [17] Edited by: Kurogauna on 07/12/2007 01:17:30 i hate ALL T1 gallente ships. they are ULGIEST THAN UGLY with that ***in blue that's sad, its the ships i fly the most... - Real men tank hull.*
Dirk Magnum FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:18:00 - [18] * Not being able to have more than one info window open (each new window replaces what's in the current one, making comparison of items much less convenient) * Random placement of targeting icons * Drone and Overview windows can't be narrowed as much as before Minor complaints that will be hotfixed in a later patch no doubt.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:20:00 - [19] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 07/12/2007 01:21:07 Originally by: Flex Nebura - think I hate the new Hulk. It just doesnt look right Its those crappy blue pew pew effects thats doing it.. I actually had a ratter who was running the belts stop and convo me after about 30 seconds and asked me how the hell did I fit pulse lasers on a barge.. Originally by: Dirk Magnum * Not being able to have more than one info window open (each new window replaces what's in the current one, making comparison of items much less convenient) You can change it back to opening a new info window each time in the esc menu.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Michela Bosun Shipyards Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 07/12/2007 01:21:07 Originally by: Flex Nebura - think I hate the new Hulk. It just doesnt look right Its those crappy blue pew pew effects thats doing it.. I actually had a ratter who was running the belts stop and convo me after about 30 seconds and asked me how the hell did I fit pulse lasers on a barge.. Originally by: Dirk Magnum * Not being able to have more than one info window open (each new window replaces what's in the current one, making comparison of items much less convenient) You can change it back to opening a new info window each time in the esc menu.. I hate the new mining lasers! Used to be that when you had a nice big mining op going you'd have a great light show. Now, it totally sucks. Why they bothered to have anyone spend time on ******* that up is beyond me.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:28:00 - [21] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 07/12/2007 01:29:06 Actually if the old beams were left alone I'd say the blue tint would look good and give T2 strips a visual distinction from T1 orange beams but yeah the pew pew pulse beam we have now is terrible.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
SirTKAR Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:37:00 - [22] Pretty much the only things I don't like about the upgrade is the Notes, Log, and Calculator being in the Accessories menu instead of having their individual buttons on the neocom. I use the Calculator and Notes all the time and don't like having to go through an extra step now to bring them up. The disappearing minimize and close buttons on the window bars I'm kinda so so with. I'd be nice if they put the option in the escape menu for having them hidden or not. Overall though I think that CCP is doing a good job and I don't really have anything to complain about. (Except maybe that my character's portrait doesn't appear here in the forums yet)
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:42:00 - [23] There are a lot of things that a lot of us hate about Trinity, but one of the things I like is that I didn't have to install the premium. They didn't even give me the option. They just told me "you can't have it." Very convenient. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Rudy Metallo G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:44:00 - [24] Originally by: cal nereus There are a lot of things that a lot of us hate about Trinity, but one of the things I like is that I didn't have to install the premium. They didn't even give me the option. They just told me "you can't have it." Very convenient. HIGH FIVE! --
JADE DRAG0NESS Dark Scorpions Fate Weavers	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:55:00 - [25] Originally by: madaluap Its a *FREE* upgrade, how about that? Yep its a upgrade that F**kes up your computer but HEY!!! it is free "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:58:00 - [26] Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS Originally by: madaluap Its a *FREE* upgrade, how about that? Yep its a upgrade that F**kes up your computer but HEY!!! it is free Unless you have a backup disc ofc, then its a 1-2-3 step process. --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Jovoich Towers Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.07 01:59:00 - [27] Dear Santa.. What I hate about Trinity - -> The stupid ***** posts made by **s about trinity -> All the stupid little kids who moan about how every little things does'nt work perfectly yet. Oh whats the point.. I will save myself the pain and not look at the forums for a week. Well done CCP great job!
Kyra Felann Gallente Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:10:00 - [28] Edited by: Kyra Felann on 07/12/2007 03:10:59 WTF you're staring a general-purpose thread for people to ***** about Trinity? Don't you think there are already enough other threads dedicated to whining? This thread is pure 100% fail. GTFO. Oh, BTW, I'm completely 100% happy with every aspect of Trinity. I have had no bugs, problems, issues and am very satisfied with it. All you whiners can shove it.
Cygnus Zhada Amarr The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:11:00 - [29] I hate the fact that Amarr hasn't been adressed at all in this patch. I also hate the fact that the retribution (which is already a comedy ship) now looks more fugly than any other ship. ------------ We didn't want that boot.ini anyway.
SnakeByte86	Posted - 2007.12.07 03:15:00 - [30] Lets review. Nerf my nightmare, thanks. Nerf torps, doesnt effect me, but still a useless waste of time, they were fine the way they were, if anything you could have nerfed them to 25k. Not 10. Still trying to nerf carriers, even though 37 pages of people telling ccp to leave them alone move calculator and such for no reason. Overview is buggier now then before. Targets appear all over the screen. Graphics engine doesnt look very good, and lags everyone. POS are broken Jump clones are broken WINDOWS is broken. As for the balance changes and nerfs, it is fairly obvious that A. CCP does not play this game, and B. They do not listen to the playerbase.
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.07 07:47:00 - [31] Everything. I haven't been too active because of work and school, but I was really looking forward to Trinity. Mostly because of the graphics update. Well somewhere about two or three weeks ago my desktop went down. Its going to take me all day to fix it, should I get the time to do so. No worries, I've got a brand new laptop (gaming laptop since that's what I do professionally.) Patch day comes, I first patch my older laptop (yes, I've got 3 of these actually) and poof... I'm wtf powned on that one by the boot.ini issue. Next my new laptop... brand ***** new mind you... I've got Vista on it, so no worries about the boot.ini thing. But, yeah, my brand new laptop can't run the new graphics! Awesome! Now, I didn't complain about the gallente nerf or the drone nerf... because I was so excited about the graphics update I didn't care (I'm spec'd gallente.) So now, what do I get from Trinity? I get one computer I had to spend an hour fixing, and a nerf to my race and weapons of choice. Awesome. What else was there in Trinity? More missions? I'm a pirate, I don't run missions. Ewar frigates? These things are useless, lets be honest, and I don't really ever fly ewar ships. Heavy Interdictors? I am not a dictor pilot. so I could care less about this. Tech 2 Battleships! Okay, we'll start seeing these in 2 months, never mind their projected costs, or the fact that it would realistically take 3 months for me to be able to fly one. A better drone interface? Yippie. Its not that much better than the old one, tbh... and the drone nerf more than makes up for the benefit. Essentially, I got ** on with this expansion. The only thing good that has come out of the whole thing is... the kill mail system. Guess what though, its buggy too. Yeah for free expansions that break computers, won't run on some of the latest machines, and nerf everything you're all about. -Karl
Zanpt	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:11:00 - [32] Edited by: Zanpt on 07/12/2007 08:12:18 Having watched the Trinity trailer I was stoked and didn't even mind so much the projected 24 hour downtime. Fortunately I wasn't affected by the boot.ini thing because Eve is installed on my R: drive. Had I been hit by that it would have been Goodbye Eve because any company that hoses my PC and makes it unbootable would never see another dime from me no matter how pretty their product. The Premium graphics were interesting, but nothing like what I had seen in the trailer. WTF? I was annoyed to once again lose all my window settings. I was annoyed by the changes to the Overview elements. Then I ran into the show stopper: Opening additional Eve windows (I am accustomed to running seven), my PC locked up, requiring a forced power down and reboot. Not good. With subsequent experiments and many reboots I determined that I could not count on running more than two windows, if that, without crashing Windows completely. Even with going back to the "classic" graphics I had a failure with three Eve windows open. I just spent $300 on a new, better graphics card with twice the memory (512 MB). Between that and CCP maybe fixing some of what's wrong, we'll see. I'll give it a few weeks. I have no interest in running Eve if I am going to be limited to one or two concurrent sessions on a substantially high-end 3.0 GHz Xeon 5160 Dual Core with 3 GB of memory and a high-end 512 MB graphics card.
Gealbhan Caldari The SAS The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:18:00 - [33] OP: Troll. Sorry but thats how it looks, your first post, on an alt btw and you're inciting flames. "Concentrate all your fire on one target, when it is destroyed, move on to the next. That is how you secure victory". - Tactica Imperium.
Sylfamas Caldari Making Our Way to Stars Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:25:00 - [34] well they nerfed lots of things. From some points of views, for about half a month all the 0.0 alliances will have a hard time surviving. At least until Jump Freighters come into effect... -----------------Signature------------------------- I only have one rule: Everyone fights, no one quits.
Buyerr	Posted - 2007.12.07 08:44:00 - [35] everything except the new features and ships.
Tiger313 313th Squadron	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:11:00 - [36] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 07/12/2007 01:29:06 Actually if the old beams were left alone I'd say the blue tint would look good and give T2 strips a visual distinction from T1 orange beams but yeah the pew pew pulse beam we have now is terrible.. Dislike the current squirt effect of the mining lasers (that's what it looks like to me anyway) and the removal of the calming wave-like sound it used to have, but that's about all I dislike. The rest is just awesome. As for color distinction: blue mining laser beams were in use for ice miners.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:12:00 - [37] Mostly it's good, but some things are seriously screwed up. My own personal hatelist: - hate the fact that the Eos was nerfed to oblivion and is now useless in any role - hate the fact that the Gallente recons were made uttely useless (damps nerfed to uselessness) - hate the fact that traveling in lowsec is about to become a nightmare (HIC focused infinite-strength disrupt) But hey, I'll adapt. Switch to using Absolution as fleet command (better in every way to Eos), switch to using ECM (the new fotm and only powerful EW left), move from lowsec to highsec. Life goes on :)
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:17:00 - [38] i hate morons who whine about a FREE expansion i didnt like the boot.ini thing but ****e happnes :D i dont like that i cant run 3 accs like i used to whit permium... but thats not a really big issue :D i like new gfx i like new content i like FREE expansions i like CCP for the effort they have put in to this game (even tho they have made some mistakes... but hey.. noones perfect :) )
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:19:00 - [39] Originally by: Karlemgne Everything. I haven't been too active because of work and school, but I was really looking forward to Trinity. Mostly because of the graphics update. Well somewhere about two or three weeks ago my desktop went down. Its going to take me all day to fix it, should I get the time to do so. No worries, I've got a brand new laptop (gaming laptop since that's what I do professionally.) Patch day comes, I first patch my older laptop (yes, I've got 3 of these actually) and poof... I'm wtf powned on that one by the boot.ini issue. Next my new laptop... brand ***** new mind you... I've got Vista on it, so no worries about the boot.ini thing. But, yeah, my brand new laptop can't run the new graphics! Awesome! Now, I didn't complain about the gallente nerf or the drone nerf... because I was so excited about the graphics update I didn't care (I'm spec'd gallente.) So now, what do I get from Trinity? I get one computer I had to spend an hour fixing, and a nerf to my race and weapons of choice. Awesome. What else was there in Trinity? More missions? I'm a pirate, I don't run missions. Ewar frigates? These things are useless, lets be honest, and I don't really ever fly ewar ships. Heavy Interdictors? I am not a dictor pilot. so I could care less about this. Tech 2 Battleships! Okay, we'll start seeing these in 2 months, never mind their projected costs, or the fact that it would realistically take 3 months for me to be able to fly one. A better drone interface? Yippie. Its not that much better than the old one, tbh... and the drone nerf more than makes up for the benefit. Essentially, I got ** on with this expansion. The only thing good that has come out of the whole thing is... the kill mail system. Guess what though, its buggy too. Yeah for free expansions that break computers, won't run on some of the latest machines, and nerf everything you're all about. -Karl your a perofessional gamer and you got a new laptop what cant run premium ?? wtf is up whit that :P
Donkey Kronk	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:42:00 - [40] Me is laughing at all the evil XP fanatics who said: "Vista sucks....." i like everything about the new expansion but the best thing is that its free. What i hate most about this expansion? People like you who can't honor hours of work given away for free, for your community. I hate people starting whine and hate threads about things which are very good, why just can't you open a "like" Thread?
Najenna Minmatar The Taining corp	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:47:00 - [41] What I hate about Eve. Volume 1 *** ASS*** SUCKING FORUM TROLLS WHO DON'T POST WITH THIER MAINS. other than that I am fine with it for now. Once you get this Robotech thing in your blood its there to stay...
Edward Carter	Posted - 2007.12.07 09:52:00 - [42] Sorry, Donkey Cronk is my alt. Forgot to switch
Archemedes Killroy	Posted - 2007.12.07 11:45:00 - [43] If you try to look at the info for something like your ship, fittings, a solar system, you have only one window open and you have to 'scroll' left and right through all of the windows. Lets say I was unfamiliar with the stats on all the different smartbombs, and I wanted the best one for me right now. I would previously open an info window for each one and compare the stats and skills required. I could look across three windows and instantly compare them in multiple categories at once. Now I could do that by switching back and fourth between 2 different ones, but if I am comparing 3 or more it instantly becomes more work than it is worth. Also the selected Items Icons in the HUD are too small at the native resolution of my monitor (1920x1024) and there is no way for me to enlarge them.halfway between the old settings and the new would be fine for me. On just an ascetic points; I to dislike the new mining lasers, but I think they could be pumped up a bit to give you that big industrial feel. I am in a coveter running strip miners and my small railguns on my combat ships looks more impressive. Also, the Amatar stations that I am working out of used to look like a cross between a space station and a cathedral inside. Now they look like they were designed my depressed mnmatar slaves and resemble warehouses. The generic industrial looking insides of the Caldari Stations now look positively cheery and hedonistic in comparison.
Amazonius	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:10:00 - [44] I like the new patch, and whats best ccp asked no money for it. Cheers to all those who made it work. I like all the new tex's
Lurtz Caldari Gunrunners and Gamblers	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:43:00 - [45] Okay 2 people have commented on it here.... single info window How to fix it: Hit escape General Settings tab, Generic Column Uncheck the setting 'Try to use existing info window (if any)' back to the way it should be why they made this on by default I have no clue, but that's how you put it back

ISD Valorem Amarr ISD STAR	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:48:00 - [46] Considering we have a feed back thread Here and an issues thread Here - we are only duplicating what is already being posted in the official threads. Please post comments/issues in the relevant threads. Thank You. forum rules \| CAOD Rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

SpawnSupreme	Posted - 2007.12.07 12:48:00 - [47] i hate new scripts to the ew mods come on we have enough charges filling up the damn cargo hold i hate ccp artist they make 1 or 2 perdy ships for each race the rest are ugly as sin no matter how shiny you make it. the frame need rework not diferent coloring. i hate the new merauders are like mini dreads rather than my choice to just simply add resistances to the dang bs

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