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SOLAR stone
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:08:00 -
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Which one is better for PVE?
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NoNah
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:10:00 -
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I'd say Golem hands down.
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vostok
Minmatar
Suns Of Korhal
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:12:00 -
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 Originally by: NoNah
I'd say Golem hands down.
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GinoShin
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:12:00 -
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Where can I see the Golems stats? |
Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:12:00 -
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Golem hands down.
Less ammo usage (important when using faction ammos), a bit less costly to pimp out, more cargo, tractor beams, faster (at least faster than the raven, not sure about the rattlesnake), and tank a quite a bit better as well. And kill small things much faster.
Overall this should give you at least 3-5 millions/hour more than using a rattlesnake, in missions.
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What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs. |
SOLAR stone
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:18:00 -
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SO Golem is gonna be a PVE king?
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Shadowsword on 07/12/2007 12:21:36
Yes and no. For people with deadspace shield mods, the Golem is still the king. But with torps boosted, the other marauders are now just as good (well, except the vargur).
There is no obvious "king" anymore in top pve, but 4 at the top: Kronos, Paladin, Golem and CNR.
I'll use a Paladin and a Kronos, depanding of the mission, because missiles bore me.
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What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs. |
Riho
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: GinoShin
Where can I see the Golems stats?
in game. type golm in the market window and show info 
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Riho
Originally by: GinoShin
Where can I see the Golems stats?
in game. type golm in the market window and show info
Perhaps you meant Golem?
Oh, and it is quite possible that the CNR still out-damages the Golem, but I wouldn't know since I can't find the Golem's stats ATM.
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Sonreir
Gallente
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:41:00 -
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What about defender missiles? Won't those seriously affect the DPS of the Golem?
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E11
Logistical Anomaly
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:03:00 -
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The Golem for sure, however if you just want to warp in and press F1-F6 the Rattlesnake is your boat. Its passive setup can tank any L4 easily.
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Hectaire Glade
Forum Jockey
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: E11
The Golem for sure, however if you just want to warp in and press F1-F6 the Rattlesnake is your boat. Its passive setup can tank any L4 easily.
QFT, for the no messing passive omnitank, the rattler is king, the golem will have a faster throughput but will take more effort. Not to underestimate the loot-at-once(tm) bonus from the golem though for single account users.
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Raekone
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sonreir
What about defender missiles? Won't those seriously affect the DPS of the Golem?
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Master Akira
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:57:00 -
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Don't underestimate the Rattlesnake. It has one of the strongest tanks of the game, and even with the torp nerf for PVE, it can be really effective with Cruise. You just need skills, and using Deadspace mods really helps too 
I'm not saying that it's better than the Golem because I haven't played with one yet tho...
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demonfurbie
Minmatar
Covert Nexus
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:27:00 -
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it depends on your play style
i prefer my rattlesnake over the golem that i played with on test server
the loot as you go bonus is only really good if you are far away from your base station its still faster to go get a salvage cane for me
sure the ammo use is less but who cares when you are using t1 ammo... in most cases t1 ammo will all be that is used in missions unless ya got a fat wallet or need that lil extra umph.
i prefer lag proof passive tanks to very costly perma running active tanks.
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Telonia Reis
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:28:00 -
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The number of defenders ****ed out by npc's is proportional to the number of missles spewed at them. This keeps the golem from being nerfed in PvE.
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Karan Kaldarian
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:33:00 -
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I love my Rattle......
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Impolite Andevil
The Shadow Knights
Division of Eden
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:50:00 -
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Add the Nightmare to the list of top PVE boats... It's basically a better paladin.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:53:00 -
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hehe what i am wondering is how much will one of them ffing things gonna cost me and is it worth it over my current ship? 
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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Frunsianer
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:35:00 -
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What about the state raven issue 8 Launcherhardpoints and 6 lo slots and 13500 basic shield sounds better then cnr ...??? but how to get it ?? gg
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J Valkor
Blackguard Brigade
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Raekone
Originally by: Sonreir
What about defender missiles? Won't those seriously affect the DPS of the Golem?
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Defenders are chance based on Rats. So exactly the same. If a third of your missiles made it through before, a third will now.
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Oam Mkoll
Caldari
HUSARIA
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Frunsianer
What about the state raven issue 8 Launcherhardpoints and 6 lo slots and 13500 basic shield sounds better then cnr ...??? but how to get it ?? gg
That ship is effectively out of game. Even if hell freezes over and you get one, you will never be able to undock it. End of story.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Oam Mkoll
Originally by: Frunsianer
state raven issue
Even if hell freezes over and you get one, you will never be able to undock it
...without getting suicide-ganked within minutes.
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SOLAR stone
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Posted - 2007.12.08 05:52:00 -
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What about active tanking: does Golem has better active tank than Rattlesnake?
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No Wai
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Posted - 2007.12.08 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Oam Mkoll
Originally by: Frunsianer
state raven issue
Even if hell freezes over and you get one, you will never be able to undock it
...without getting suicide-ganked within minutes.
Like Entity's estamel-tanked one, with a thon shield booster that reps 1400 or so shields.
Have fun with that.
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.12.08 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: No Wai
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Oam Mkoll
Originally by: Frunsianer
state raven issue
Even if hell freezes over and you get one, you will never be able to undock it
...without getting suicide-ganked within minutes.
Like Entity's estamel-tanked one, with a thon shield booster that reps 1400 or so shields.
Have fun with that.
Takes less than 20 battleships to insta pop it. Well worth the isk of full estamel fit. Tanking ability of it does not enter into equation in that 15 seconds it takes concord to arrive. If pilot is lucky he has even hardeners activated.
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Arthur Frayn
Veterans Of Liberation Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 08/12/2007 09:21:51
With the Rattlesnake, you can fit 6 torps and 2 neutrons, or 4/4 with plenty of lowslots for weapon upgrades. Combine that with a bonus to both weapon systems and the torp ROF boost(AND the flat 50% range boost ftw!), and you have a PVE monster from hell.
I've had the best results when flying lvl 4 Angels and Serpentis missions where the rats like to get up in your face. My Rattler eats Core Grand Admirals and Gist War Generals for breakfast.
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SOLAR stone
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Posted - 2007.12.09 02:16:00 -
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Does Golem has better active tank than Rattlesnake or it's the same?
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Arthur Frayn
Veterans Of Liberation Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 02:34:00 -
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Golem has two bonuses to its tank: the shield boost bonus and slightly higher resists. Rattlesnake has nearly double the shields of a Golem, so it has a much higher HP buffer. The Rattler can also armortank if you have the skills. I've had no problems active tanking my 'snake for soloing level 4's. Both ships I think are quite evenly matched. I wouldn't know which one to put my money on if two decently skilled players went head to head in them.
The biggest benefit of the Rattlesnake over the Golem is the much shorter skill training time to use it. The price is also much lower for now.
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brother stud
The 13th Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.09 02:55:00 -
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well, lets go to the test server to find out, my bets are on the rattler
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