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RaAshan
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:09:00 -
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From reading the forums and hearing everyone chienne-ing about "nerfs", I've noticed something. It seems that people don't want a fair level, balanced game. They want to have a game where one thing is better than everything else, and that one thing should be the thing they like the most! (i.e. drones, torpedos, hamsters)
Well guess what dudes! A game is supposed to be fun, and it's supposed to be a challenge. Why do you wanna be spoon fed? Can you not play well enough, or use your creativity to develope new ideas? ADAPTATION!
Get out there and start enjoying the game! Throw your silly bias' out the window and realise that the changes being instilled in patches are for the better overall gameplay. If you don't think so, at least show how it lowers overall gameplay for everyone.
Don't expect a patch to come out and give you the Supreme Oppressor's black box. It won't happen. Why would you want it to happen?
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Nhi'Khuna
e X i l e
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:12:00 -
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/signed. I'm sick to death of hearing people whine... Adapt or move on. Sucks that your uberpwnmobile will now have to fight on an equal level with everything else now. Cope.
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7Jane Mordekai
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:13:00 -
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I, 7Jane Mordekai, approve of this service/thread/post.
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Sainna
Minmatar
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:14:00 -
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/signed
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:15:00 -
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Darn right I want the Hamsters boosted (not nerfed would also work)...
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:15:00 -
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The sentiment is nice but you do realize this is never going to happen?
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Rick Thwaites
Caritas.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:19:00 -
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/Signed.
Although, some T2 hamsters with an agility boost and mass reduction would be nice... Jita is getting busier this time of year.
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Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:20:00 -
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 Originally by: RaAshan
From reading the forums and hearing everyone chienne-ing about "nerfs", I've noticed something. It seems that people don't want a fair level, balanced game. They want to have a game where one thing is better than everything else, and that one thing should be the thing they like the most! (i.e. drones, torpedos, hamsters)
Well guess what dudes! A game is supposed to be fun, and it's supposed to be a challenge. Why do you wanna be spoon fed? Can you not play well enough, or use your creativity to develope new ideas? ADAPTATION!
Get out there and start enjoying the game! Throw your silly bias' out the window and realise that the changes being instilled in patches are for the better overall gameplay. If you don't think so, at least show how it lowers overall gameplay for everyone.
Don't expect a patch to come out and give you the Supreme Oppressor's black box. It won't happen. Why would you want it to happen?
FINALLY someone said it.
It's true. So very god damb true.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:20:00 -
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Thats the whole problem with balancing... once everything is balanced... nothing is better. The way to become better is more ships.
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Oberoonmoon
Gallente
E X C L U S I V E
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:22:00 -
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/signed
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JCache
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: RaAshan
It seems that people don't want a fair level, balanced game. They want to have a game where one thing is better than everything else, and that one thing should be the thing they like the most! (i.e. drones, torpedos, hamsters)
So basically you don't like competition that is superior to you, so you want everything to be fair!?
If EVE would be a skill based game I would agree, but it isn't. You have to buy skills and train them, which means you have to wait some time while you can't use the items you are supposed to use as you are adapting, while you still have to pay for the game. Great idea.
In other games like BF2 when they nerfed your MG you could instantly switch to a RPG or assault rifle at no extra cost... this is adapting. Paying for it is complete BS!
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Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
Interstellar Vacation Center
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: JCache
So basically you don't like competition that is superior to you, so you want everything to be fair!?
If EVE would be a skill based game I would agree, but it isn't. You have to buy skills and train them, which means you have to wait some time while you can't use the items you are supposed to use as you are adapting, while you still have to pay for the game. Great idea.
In other games like BF2 when they nerfed your MG you could instantly switch to a RPG or assault rifle at no extra cost... this is adapting. Paying for it is complete BS!
Ah hah! Despite the best laid logical explanation of reality, a daring soul presses forward with a resounding "WWAH! NOT FAIR! WHAH!"
In BF2, when I was better than you, and you switched weapons, I still owned you. And when I switched weapons, you complained that that one was overpowered too....
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RaAshan
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: RaAshan on 07/12/2007 19:34:07
Originally by: JCache
Originally by: RaAshan
It seems that people don't want a fair level, balanced game. They want to have a game where one thing is better than everything else, and that one thing should be the thing they like the most! (i.e. drones, torpedos, hamsters)
So basically you don't like competition that is superior to you, so you want everything to be fair!?
If EVE would be a skill based game I would agree, but it isn't. You have to buy skills and train them, which means you have to wait some time while you can't use the items you are supposed to use as you are adapting, while you still have to pay for the game. Great idea.
In other games like BF2 when they nerfed your MG you could instantly switch to a RPG or assault rifle at no extra cost... this is adapting. Paying for it is complete BS!
I think you missed the point, bud. Sure, if you've played for a year, and you've worked it out right, you should be beating the guys who've only played for half that time (one on one). What I'm sayin is, people are ticked off their weapon of choice is no longer the Ubergoober.
Drones no longer destroy all and instantly boost shileds when docking. You tell anyone that doesn't use drones that and they'd probably say "what the hell, drones could regenerate instantly before? That would be lame"
The point of balance is to create a game where different strategies are viable. Not a game where one weapon, or a small amount of weapons destroy everything else. How lame is that?
This game is a mix between MMORPG and now MMORTS. There is a concept in RTS called Rock, Paper, Scissors. Just like the game, there is no one winning move (NO GUYS, Rock doesn't always win! It's a myth).
P.S. I use drones. That why I'm using that as an example. The new system is way better. I would hardly even call it a nerf. Drone ships may have lost DPS, but they have gained something called "versatility".
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Dionisius
Gallente
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:37:00 -
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You know why Starcraft was good and balanced, because there was no unit that was EQUAL to another, wich clashed with the thing of having 3 diferent races each one employing its own fighting style.
The game was BALANCED, without NERFS and EQUAL units.
Then we came into play with Homeworld, were the units were DIFERENT, each fullfilling its own ROLE and no one was UBER than the other but with each DIFERENT SHIP did its job well.
These are 2 examples of games that fit what we have in EVE, or should have, because back then in those days games were played for the FUN of it, and no one cared if a zealot could melt space marines or a swarm of zerlings would overrun your base in the first few minutes of game.
Same in homeworld, you had lots of small craft for diferent situations, destroyers were the "cap" support along with frigates, heavy cruisers were the heavy hitters so to speak, slow as hell but ok.
Point is, there were diferent ships, in EvE if every single ship is equal to its class equivalent of another race what is the interest in that? Whats the point?
No point and no fun, just encouraging blobblage.
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J Valkor
Blackguard Brigade
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:41:00 -
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RTS and MMO are not equivalent in balancing.
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Wreth Saran
Caldari
The Star Wolves
Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:46:00 -
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Every game is equivalent to each other when it comes to balancing, I agree, don't bloody whine just because your uber ship +1 got reduced to an equal level as everyone else, change to something that suits your skills better or get equipment that will make your ship better again, don't just whine at developers for making the game better for people who want to play different styles, if people don't like it then I think they should actually leave, the game would probably be better off without them whining about getting killed in low sec because they can't power game anymore anyway.
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Trade JCache
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: RaAshan
The point of balance is to create a game where different strategies are viable. Not a game where one weapon, or a small amount of weapons destroy everything else. How lame is that?
That is exactly the point. Unfortunately there are so many possible fittings that you can't ever possibly balance them. But instead of adapting to superior ships people start to whine and want to nerf fittings other people spent month and millions to create them.
For instance my Myrmidon took a lot of training and about 700M ISK so far to be superior to almost any other ship and can tank almost every BS in the game. On the down side it complete and utterly relies on drones to inflict damage because as a passive shield tank it cannot power weapons.
I could take on at least two, probably three of my ships, but other people couldn't stand the heat and asked for a nerf which they got even last time when the shield recharge rate was nerfed. Month of skill training down the drain... and this is supposed to be fair?!
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P.S. I use drones. That why I'm using that as an example. The new system is way better. I would hardly even call it a nerf. Drone ships may have lost DPS, but they have gained something called "versatility".
Yeah, it helps so much to have a versatile ship which can hold several different wings of drones which can't break the enemies tank.
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RaAshan
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: J Valkor
RTS and MMO are not equivalent in balancing.
How is balancing an MMORTS so different from an RTS?
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Arvald
Caldari
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: RaAshan
From reading the forums and hearing everyone chienne-ing about "nerfs", I've noticed something. It seems that people don't want a fair level, balanced game. They want to have a game where one thing is better than everything else, and that one thing should be the thing they like the most! (i.e. drones, torpedos, hamsters)
Well guess what dudes! A game is supposed to be fun, and it's supposed to be a challenge. Why do you wanna be spoon fed? Can you not play well enough, or use your creativity to develope new ideas? ADAPTATION!
Get out there and start enjoying the game! Throw your silly bias' out the window and realise that the changes being instilled in patches are for the better overall gameplay. If you don't think so, at least show how it lowers overall gameplay for everyone.
Don't expect a patch to come out and give you the Supreme Oppressor's black box. It won't happen. Why would you want it to happen?
GIVE THIS MAN A BILLION ISK AND THIS THREAD A STICKY *ahem* also /signed 
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RaAshan
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:08:00 -
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Trade JCache
So you had an Uber ship. It could take on 3 other ships on its own, and you don't think there's a problem with that?
This isn't a solo game. Eve isn't about leveling to 70 and killing everything in your path. I've played WOW, it sucked. It would take 30 lvl 10's to kill a lvl 40. Could you imagine that in Eve? One guy shows up in sovereign space and kills an entire fleet? That my friend is called LAME!
Eve is about teaming up with others that compliment your weaknesses. It's about tactics. It's about War. This game doesn't revolve around the gladiator, 1v1 in a ring. Eve is the battle field with hundreds killing one another through strategy.
The game you are looking for is a game where whoever has played longest wins. We here play a game where the smartest, most tactile player(s) win.
It seems like the people that shout out the loudest against nerfs, are the people who have put the most time into that one skill and feel they've wasted a "Month of skill training down the drain"
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:10:00 -
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/signed at OP.
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Silvercloud
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:10:00 -
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Balanced means that one ship(or mod or rig or whatever) isnt better than another. But balanced doesn't mean that its not better than others at doing certain things better (move faster, do more damage, hit easier, etc). By definition this means its impossible to truely balance anything. Theres always going to be a ship thats better than another ship for its purpose (tanking, webbing, scramming, damage dealer).
It shouldn't be about making every ship the same for everything. Or we might as well dump choice from EVE. Now we could whine about every nerf that happens, but in reality it just doesn't matter. One ship gets nerfed another becomes the optimal choice. Just beat CCP to the nerf... Torps were nerfed this patch so whats next? Probably cruise missiles since most previous users of torps will flock to that. So my advice is look to your own characters future and train that which isn't about to be nerfed.
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Missy Saints
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:12:00 -
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NERF THE WHINERS
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Warp Knight
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:27:00 -
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There should be an imbalance of ships / weapons / fittings... and likewise, the more uber your setup is, the more it should cost you. If you get a ship blown up that can take out multiple ships by itself, then it had better cost you your life savings.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Silvercloud
Torps were nerfed this patch
No, they weren't. They were majorly boosted. You're either misinformed (and in that case also lazy for not checking for yourself in-game) or an idiot.
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JCache
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: RaAshan
So you had an Uber ship. It could take on 3 other ships on its own, and you don't think there's a problem with that?
You shouldn't rate a ship by it's class but by its cost and the time you have to train to use it. I guess that a BS which costs the same and took the same amount of training would probably be a match to this ship.
I don't think that 200 (238 with all maxed skills) dps damage output is something that should call for a nerf.
I adapted and built this ship because my previous aim to build a curse was messed up by the NOS nerf. But instead of adapting to the changes people like you and the other guys here cry for a nerf so they don't have to adapt to a superior enemy.
So lets say I stay with this game, spend about 10 month of training and 700M ISK into battleships, would you cry again when this ship obliterates your BC which costs only a fraction of mine?
It's so much easier to cry than to adapt. The funny thing is that the people who cry for nerfs always tell their victims to adapt... something they are obviously not capable of themselves.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:31:00 -
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Hahahaaa!!! I don't need to whine cuz my ship is allready 10 times better then all u lot's buckets of bolts u call spaceships 
Well.. in my mind it is atleast 
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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OOOSOOO
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:31:00 -
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Tbh, the only thing that needs nerfing is the forums.
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Alpine 69
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:31:00 -
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/signed.
Sweet love for the ones that mod my sig <3
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:36:00 -
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When I play Monopoly, I demand I start with an extra two hundred bucks. Its only fair. My sister has a PhD in finance. We need to "balance" things.
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