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Hansoloo DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:52:00 - [1] Hi, I was lucky that I didn't get effected by the boot.ini bug, I kinda was I have 2 desktops and 2 labtops and all 4 was missing the boot.ini but I keep my windows up to date so it did nothing to me. Oh behalf of all the people of eve, I really do think we need some questions answered. Q) There was one bug tester who reported this bug to you way before the path was released. Why and how did you not look in to the issue at hand or did you think the issue was just limited to one person? Q) What was wrong with your code to make this happen? I being a programmer would like to know. Q) How do you play to make the players in eve happy after this is all said and done? There are a lot of ****ed off players right now and something really needs to be done to make them right. As I think I'm not the only one who would be saying this but if a game I played did this to my computer I will no longer play that game. Q) How many players have you lost due to this. (and please do not give me some oh we can not tell you that, we can't find out BS) Q) What will you do for other patchs that will help you not do this? Q) Any good game company has very good in house game testers do you? If not I would like to apply. Q) Who was the name of the div that got fired over this, and if none was fired why?
Jakus Cemendur Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:54:00 - [2] I seriously doubt you're a programmer if you're asking some of the things you are and expecting an answer. Or at least not a programmer who's worked in the games industry or major software house.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:54:00 - [3] Edited by: Dr Paithos on 07/12/2007 22:56:24 Well I can answer 2 for you the code was roughly: -Change directory to Eve Folder - Delete /boot.ini (or the other slash i don't know i don't program i'm pretty stupid) so it deleted boot.ini in the root which was fine if you weren't using some versions of XP or didn't have eve on C:\ if you did and reset your comp you were a bit hosed depending how tech savvy you were Oh and asking for someone's job over this is pretty terrible let's nominate a sacrificial lamb that's a good way of doing business Admittedly ccp are fairly terrible at some things but that's probably structural Why not just ask for the deficiencies that gave rise to the problem be explained and corrected if possible sheesh Quote: Thank you for kittens, glitter, for warm nights in fuzzy blankets... Thank you for dolphins, whales... Thank you for cartoons, for birthdays, for candy and cookies. Thank you CCP!
Hansoloo DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:57:00 - [4] I have a AOS in IS and working on my BS in IS and no I do not want to work in the gaming industry. and I have had a good job working at a very good place for a few years now. I know some software company's will out source there testing to save cash and time.
Karbowiak Exanimo Inc	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:57:00 - [5] Two Words: Use Vista - I Got on ~4hours ahead of scheduled downtime ending (well when everyone else logged on lol) and had the patch down after 15minutes, install played, went to bed and my computer shut down as i put it to. Next day i woke up, hit the power button, went out to take a dump - afterwards went down to get some food and went up to my PC, opened Winamp and started listening to music, opened EVE and checked mails. Morale of the story, XP sucks Vista rocks ;) -------------------- Exanimo Inc. Killboard Triumvirate Killboard
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:57:00 - [6] Originally by: Hansoloo Q) There was one bug tester who reported this bug to you way before the path was released. Why and how did you not look in to the issue at hand or did you think the issue was just limited to one person? They did not file an official but report, and posted their findings on the wrong forum where the Trinity QA people weren't looking Quote: Q) What was wrong with your code to make this happen? I being a programmer would like to know. Very simple: The correct line to remove a file called "boot.ini" in the eve folder would have been this: Originally by: Patch Code delete boot.ini But instead it was this: Originally by: Patch Code delete /boot.ini That erroneous "/" resets the directory to the base directory, in this case the C drive. And unfortunately, on some Windows installations a crucial system file is stored as C:/boot.ini Quote: Q) How do you play to make the players in eve happy after this is all said and done? There are a lot of **ed off players right now and something really needs to be done to make them right. As I think I'm not the only one who would be saying this but if a game I played did this to my computer I will no longer play that game. Q) How many players have you lost due to this. (and please do not give me some oh we can not tell you that, we can't find out BS) Q) What will you do for other patchs that will help you not do this? Q) Any good game company has very good in house game testers do you? If not I would like to apply. Q) Who was the name of the div that got fired over this, and if none was fired why? Can't answer any of these, but they're kind of ****** questions anyway. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:59:00 - [7] FFS was this really worth a new thread? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
RaAshan	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:00:00 - [8] Edited by: RaAshan on 07/12/2007 23:04:40 This thread needs an ace click-in
Jakus Cemendur Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:00:00 - [9] Originally by: Hansoloo I have a AOS in IS and working on my BS in IS and no I do not want to work in the gaming industry. and I have had a good job working at a very good place for a few years now. I know some software company's will out source there testing to save cash and time. How big is the company you work for? Oh and game dev companies either have a small group of inhouse testers and a larger supporting group of publisher testers, jsut the publisher testers, or a large inhouse team.
Hansoloo DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:00:00 - [10] Originally by: Karbowiak Two Words: Use Vista - I Got on ~4hours ahead of scheduled downtime ending (well when everyone else logged on lol) and had the patch down after 15minutes, install played, went to bed and my computer shut down as i put it to. Next day i woke up, hit the power button, went out to take a dump - afterwards went down to get some food and went up to my PC, opened Winamp and started listening to music, opened EVE and checked mails. Morale of the story, XP sucks Vista rocks ;) 3 words upgrade to XP a OS who cuts your bandwidth in 1/2 due to you playing a music file is not a OS. Your get a boost of 30% with XP gamming vs Vista Gamming (FACT look it up)
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:01:00 - [11] Programmer my backside, your just being nosey. --------------------------------------- Output folder: C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE Delete file: \boot.ini Extract: boot.ini... 100%
Hansoloo DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Originally by: Hansoloo I have a AOS in IS and working on my BS in IS and no I do not want to work in the gaming industry. and I have had a good job working at a very good place for a few years now. I know some software company's will out source there testing to save cash and time. How big is the company you work for? Oh and game dev companies either have a small group of inhouse testers and a larger supporting group of publisher testers, jsut the publisher testers, or a large inhouse team. I let you answer that question http://www.agedwards.com/ there is the link the company website.
hundurinn Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:02:00 - [13] A) Don't know. A) Don't know. A) FFS, find you're boot disk, insert. Problem solved. If you are using a pirated version, tough luck. A) How the hell can they answer that? A) Learn from mistakes and check. A) They do, and i'm certain they wouldn't let you in. A) This was a mistake, why fire someone? PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Hansoloo I let you answer that question http://www.agedwards.com/ there is the link the company website. Your website's design makes me want to throw up. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Jakus Cemendur Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Hansoloo Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Originally by: Hansoloo I have a AOS in IS and working on my BS in IS and no I do not want to work in the gaming industry. and I have had a good job working at a very good place for a few years now. I know some software company's will out source there testing to save cash and time. How big is the company you work for? Oh and game dev companies either have a small group of inhouse testers and a larger supporting group of publisher testers, jsut the publisher testers, or a large inhouse team. I let you answer that question http://www.agedwards.com/ there is the link the company website. So it's not really a software company you work for.
Suze'Rain Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:04:00 - [16] Edited by: Suze''Rain on 07/12/2007 23:05:41 Originally by: Hansoloo Q) There was one bug tester who reported this bug to you way before the path was released. Why and how did you not look in to the issue at hand or did you think the issue was just limited to one person? A: if its the one report I know of, it was posted in the wrong forum, (known issues and work-arounds) and in a existing thread... the devs are'nt psychic. Originally by: Hansoloo Q) What was wrong with your code to make this happen? I being a programmer would like to know. someone types /boot.ini instead of boot.ini. one letter of code. Originally by: Hansoloo Q) How do you play to make the players in eve happy after this is all said and done? There are a lot of **ed off players right now and something really needs to be done to make them right. As I think I'm not the only one who would be saying this but if a game I played did this to my computer I will no longer play that game. you dont pander to their whims, and get on with sorting out everything else that's been bugreported that did'nt get a cat A bug priority. Originally by:** Hansoloo Q) How many players have you lost due to this. (and please do not give me some oh we can not tell you that, we can't find out BS) None that will be missed? (sorry, that's my cynical view, I'm sure CCP will be upset that any leave.) Originally by: Hansoloo Q) What will you do for other patchs that will help you not do this? a screwdriver and mallet will rapidly remove the / key from every keyboard in the CCP offices. Originally by: Hansoloo Q) Any good game company has very good in house game testers do you? If not I would like to apply. A: BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAaaaaaah. you've never worked in the computergames industry, have you? for the record, the QA departments I've known are the hardest working, least rewarded members of the entire production process. QA also happens to use stock computer systems, and unless every single one had the specifications that casued this bug, not one of them would've found it in testing. Originally by: Hansoloo Q) Who was the name of the div that got fired over this, and if none was fired why? none deserve to be fired because one single / command is a simple error that's likely been made in 300 other lines of code without any noticable effect. if you fired coders for every nonoperable piece of code through development, then there would be no staff in the games industry and you would be playing pong today, not eve. I know plenty of coders who've commented on the extraneous code in their work as being entirey useless, and could be done in 50% of the content space given the lack of time deadlines, and opportunity to re-write. Simply put, no studio can afford to have the "perfect" code that's gone through 200 iterations and be cleaned up to "perfect" release.
Etrias Jhozah	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:05:00 - [17] I don't know why you need the answer to any of those questions, save one. My guess is that you're getting irrationally angry at CCP and somehow think this post will alleviate your pain. The only question that you asked which actually matters is where you ask: Q) What will you do for other patchs (sic) that will help you not do this? Seriously. You've got to be joking with this list. Never speak for me again, m'kay. I think if you ask, there will be more people in EVE who won't want you speaking for them either.
Hansoloo DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Paulo Damarr Programmer my backside, your just being nosey. I do not have a answer any questions or comments about my skills as a programmer. with out typing it in to google like your going to do anyway define the following keywords that any programmer will know, OOP, stucts, stored procedures, recursion.. I can go on..
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:05:00 - [19] Edited by: Kerfira on 07/12/2007 23:06:50 Originally by: Hansoloo Q) Who was the name of the dev that got fired over this, and if none was fired why? First of all, that's an internal company personnel issue which you are not entitled to any information about. Secondly, if you really did work in the games industry (you don't...), you'd know what you do in situations like this. What you do is analyse what went wrong, and implement procedures so it doesn't happen again! The one thing you DON'T do is look for scapegoats. This only makes people work slower, practice CYA, and make them less enthusiastic. Disciplinary punishment is for when people do something bad deliberately, not when they make mistakes. You post is so much "Fail" that it's hard to understand it's all contained in only one post. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Hansoloo DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Originally by: Hansoloo Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Originally by: Hansoloo I have a AOS in IS and working on my BS in IS and no I do not want to work in the gaming industry. and I have had a good job working at a very good place for a few years now. I know some software company's will out source there testing to save cash and time. How big is the company you work for? Oh and game dev companies either have a small group of inhouse testers and a larger supporting group of publisher testers, jsut the publisher testers, or a large inhouse team. I let you answer that question http://www.agedwards.com/ there is the link the company website. So it's not really a software company you work for. never said I was working in a software compay, I just said I had a job as a programmer.
Pitt Bull Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:08:00 - [21] I'm callin' the 9/11 commission... they'll get to the bottom of these shenanigans.
Jakus Cemendur Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:09:00 - [22] Originally by: Hansoloo I do not have a answer any questions or comments about my skills as a programmer. with out typing it in to google like your going to do anyway define the following keywords that any programmer will know, OOP, stucts, stored procedures, recursion.. I can go on.. Oh come on, if you're going to do that do something a bit less obvious than OOP and recursion ffs.
Hansoloo DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:09:00 - [23] oh and for now on for all your 13 year old kiddie poster, only post I'll be looking for is one with a gold border. So your wasting your time from my post on. And for anyone who tries to think your cool by saying, (why you neeed, or you try to answer them your self) just go back to wow as you really do not know as much as you think you know.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:10:00 - [24] Edited by: Tarminic on 07/12/2007 23:11:04 Originally by: Hansoloo OOP, stucts, stored procedures, recursion.. I can go on.. OOP - Object oriented programming, a series of principled designed to make the task of designing software much easier and efficient by using reusable components and a design methodology that maximizes compartmentalization and loose coupling of components Structs - Primitive versions of Objects used in C and C++ Stored Procedure - Usually refers to either a primitive method used in the early days of object oriented programming or executable code stored in databases. Anything more advanced is referred to as a function or a method Recursion - The concept of having a particular function/program refer to or call itself as part of execution. It's an effective technique to tackle some situations, but can get out of hand easily if you're not careful. Anything else? This is kind of easy man, I learned this stuff my first year of College. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Tacitus Krekt The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:11:00 - [25] How did this happen? Install code said something along the lines of: extract: c:\boot.ini whereas it should have been directed to: extract: C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\boot.ini Tada. Instant windows meltdown -- and worthy of yet another thread.
Hansoloo DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Originally by: Hansoloo I do not have a answer any questions or comments about my skills as a programmer. with out typing it in to google like your going to do anyway define the following keywords that any programmer will know, OOP, stucts, stored procedures, recursion.. I can go on.. Oh come on, if you're going to do that do something a bit less obvious than OOP and recursion ffs. yea but we both know that kiddies want to be programmers will have no idea what OOP is, or recursion is.
Suze'Rain Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:11:00 - [27] I would'nt hold your breath waiting, mate.
Hansoloo DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:16:00 - [28] Originally by: Suze'Rain I would'nt hold your breath waiting, mate. I know I'm not but sometimes you get answers if you post them. I know a few friends who lost lots of data over this, I'm just lucky I keep up to date on all my computers.
Snaith Minmatar Bug Eyed Monsters	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:16:00 - [29] 42
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:19:00 - [30] I need to talk to whoever was responsible for the technical design of your website, and I'm still a bit dubious about any qualifications you have as a programmer. What languages do you use? Why type of programs do you generally write? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare

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