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RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:35:00 - [1] 2007.12.07 20:55:00 Victim: RhadamanthineSpifflicate Alliance: NONE Corp: School of Applied Knowledge Destroyed: Condor System: Alikara Security: 0.7 Damage Taken: 843 Involved parties: Name: Blink00 (laid the final blow) Security: 3.6 Alliance: NONE Corp: SPECTRE Ops Ship: Purifier Weapon: Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Damage Done: 843 Destroyed items: Vepas' Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Qty: 2 (Cargo) As you can see, the loss occurred in Alikara empire 0.7 while I was autopilot flying through secure space and had to go to the toilet. I came back to find my ship gone and me pod bobbing in space. I was carrying 2 x vepas cruise missile launchers in my cargohold which were destroyed. There is a lot of value in EVE with regard to practicing skills in game that work well in real life as well. Business, research, marketing, budgeting, sales... because the list goes on and on there is very real skill training involved in playing EVE. I understand that a significant number of players are in it for the thrill and the kill of pvp, but must everyone always be forced into pvp? EVE established a venue for pvp and one for pve and grey areas where the safe and secure nature of empire bordered on the lawless lands where players had to accept the fact that there was risk associated with entering these areas. The risk associated with systems that allow for pvp are very real and act as a significant deterrent for many (and most certainly inspire the players to take precautions). The risk associated with suicide gank squad activity in secure empire space are not significant enough of a deterrent. The players who participate in suicide ganking are risking very little while padding their kill stats and earning notoriety. We don't force the pvpers to suffer through agonizing hours of mining, trade or manufacturing and sales to earn isk to play this game. They can fight and earn isk. They get to play the game the way they want to. This privilege is not afforded those of us who would like to experience EVE content without engaging in PVP when we chose to. Why am I expected to always accept the reality of PVP any where, any time? The penalty, the risk to the empire ganker is not enough to deter the behaviour. In game I am powerless to recover my losses but to adopt pvp and take further risk to attempt to get back what was taken from me unlawfully. If I am destroyed in empire and the player who destroyed me is blown up, why is my only recourse to participate in pvp? Why shouldn't I be entitled to compensation paid to me by the offending party? If a player decides to violate secure space rules and destroys my ship unlawfully CCP blows him up and kill rights are given to me, the injured party, but as a person who has never played any other mmorpg and is not anywhere near on par with frequent players of these types of games there is very little chance that pursuing and attempting to act on those rights realistically will only result in further loss for me. Essentially, I am forced to PVP or just eat the loss; no other recourse exists. I'm out my ship, mods, cargo and replacement costs. The offending party earns neg status (which is a badge of honour to many) and losses his ship. I should be able to drag them before a court and sue them to recover my losses... or by virtue of CCP judgment in destroying their ship guilt should be established and the fine levied. I should be granted compensation. deducted from the player responsible for causing my losses. Activity of alts and new characters should be applied to mains so that people cannot avoid paying by virtue of having no assets. In lieu of this approach and for the time being CCP should reimburse players for losses incurred through unlawful activity where CCP itself acts by destroying the offender. Thank you for your time,
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:36:00 - [2] eh... no. --- planetary interaction idea!
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:37:00 - [3] No, remember that high security space is Safer, not SAFE. You were told this when you completed the tutorial, and it's your fault for not taking such high-value items in such a weak ship. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Jolnas Arbiter	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:37:00 - [4] No, go back to world of warcraft you carebear. If mining is 50% more dangerous then mining will be 50% more profitable. This is the way the game works... it's not necassarily entirely a bad thing.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:38:00 - [5] Ouch. No. See the latest huge thread on suicide ganking also in this forum. Quote: Thank you for kittens, glitter, for warm nights in fuzzy blankets... Thank you for dolphins, whales... Thank you for cartoons, for birthdays, for candy and cookies. Thank you CCP!
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:39:00 - [6] Check this, http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=341 --------------------------------------- Output folder: C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE Delete file: \boot.ini Extract: boot.ini... 100%
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:41:00 - [7] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 07/12/2007 23:42:05 Relevant to your interests Incidentally, you can play this game however you want. You just have to take the time to avoid those playing it another way. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:43:00 - [8] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate I should be able to drag them before a court and sue them to recover my losses... or by virtue of CCP judgment in destroying their ship guilt should be established and the fine levied. I should be granted compensation. deducted from the player responsible for causing my losses. Activity of alts and new characters should be applied to mains so that people cannot avoid paying by virtue of having no assets. In lieu of this approach and for the time being CCP should reimburse players for losses incurred through unlawful activity where CCP itself acts by destroying the offender. You have kill rights. However, if this is not sufficient, please head to your nearest CONCORD Assembly station, or DED Station, and file form 38E. We will then be with you withing 3 to 4 weeks. For any further discussion, please get ahold of your nearest CONCORD agent. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:45:00 - [9] Crumples signature Linkage should comfort you considerably. Rate my charecters please, updated so need 3 more, 2M isk for each good review
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:48:00 - [10] So eve should not be a multifaceted product with gameplay for many different types of players. It is and should always be a place for pvpers to run free and feed off those who don't spend years sharpening their skills in player vs player combat. There are tons of games for the killer addicts... not many good ones for those who would like to practice real life skills and learn while playing a game. In real life I am not encouraged to become a vigilante for justice. There are other avenues of recourse. In EVE you folks don't want anything that might level the playing field. You would rather pad your kill stats on carebears and thank CCP for letting you off the hook and giving you the upper hand. You break the rules you are punished and suffer a loss. The person you attacked should not.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:49:00 - [11] ok now we know OP is a troll or a WOW player. /thread --------------------------------------- Output folder: C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE Delete file: \boot.ini Extract: boot.ini... 100%
Sister Libertina	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Tarminic No, remember that high security space is Safer, not SAFE. You were told this when you completed the tutorial, and it's your fault for not taking such high-value items in such a weak ship. Yeah so ner nerny ner ner ya noob. Always remember this - IT WAS YOUR FAULT!
Jonny JoJo Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:51:00 - [13] Did not relise Spectre ops were into suicide ganking. Anyhow point is that in a weak ship, anyone can lauch an attack on you for the sake of it. Eve is a bit like real life. Basically, you got a virtual mugging. What may be handy to note is that strong, tough ships to transport expensive items or somebody may do a suicide attack on you. I suggest youing a Transport ship or a heavily tanked battleship. I know someone who uses 8 1600 plates and a MWD on his abaddon to warp around (mwd trick lets peopel warp in max 10 seconds). Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:53:00 - [14] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 07/12/2007 23:53:26 Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate So eve should not be a multifaceted product with gameplay for many different types of players. Yes it should. But all the facets should be able to interact freely. And it is. And they can. And that's why EVE is awesome. Moar linkage - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:54:00 - [15] I accept the reality. I am not a gamer, although I have enjoyed playing this one. I do not have the time to read all the information like so many of you. If I tried to get educated myself on 1 100th of the posts I'd never play the game. I thought I could enjoy myself and practice some real life skills in a cool game. Obviously, that is not what EVE is about. In real life I have options. In EVE I am handicapped and surrounded by people who want to keep it that way and exploit their advantage. Fair enough.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:55:00 - [16] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate So eve should not be a multifaceted product with gameplay for many different types of players. It is and should always be a place for pvpers to run free and feed off those who don't spend years sharpening their skills in player vs player combat. There are tons of games for the killer addicts... not many good ones for those who would like to practice real life skills and learn while playing a game. In real life I am not encouraged to become a vigilante for justice. There are other avenues of recourse. In EVE you folks don't want anything that might level the playing field. You would rather pad your kill stats on carebears and thank CCP for letting you off the hook and giving you the upper hand. You break the rules you are punished and suffer a loss. The person you attacked should not. this is soo trolling, but I'll bite it anyways: In eve, people will shoot you if they have a reason for it. and making your life miserable is a good reason as any other. so stop running down like a headless chicken, and grab some guns and go shoot someone. If he complains about it, just tell him "hey, any reason is good to shoot at you, and you invaded my personal space. that's good enough reason for me." --- planetary interaction idea!
Viper G	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:57:00 - [17] Originally by: Paulo Damarr Check this, http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=341
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:57:00 - [18] The OP may want to read my signature for greater understanding! (I smell a huge troll however...) Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:57:00 - [19] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate I accept the reality. I am not a gamer, although I have enjoyed playing this one. I do not have the time to read all the information like so many of you. If I tried to get educated myself on 1 100th of the posts I'd never play the game. I thought I could enjoy myself and practice some real life skills in a cool game. Obviously, that is not what EVE is about. In real life I have options. In EVE I am handicapped and surrounded by people who want to keep it that way and exploit their advantage. Fair enough. I don't see how you consider yourself handicapped? EVE is all about freedom, but the cost of freedom is other people having that same freedom. Recognize that you do not want options or freedom, you want a game where everyone is 'handicapped' to play the same way as you, or if they can play differently are forced to do it away from you. That is not EVE. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 07/12/2007 23:53:26 Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate So eve should not be a multifaceted product with gameplay for many different types of players. Yes it should. But all the facets should be able to interact freely. And it is. And they can. And that's why EVE is awesome. Moar linkage Not quite. It in fact is almost entirely supportive to pvp type gameplay. You can pvp and never have to experience any other part of the game while making profits and acquiring items and ships; not so for any other style of play. We must always accept the inequity of pvp regardless. If CCP blows you up this is a clear indictment to your behaviour and the victim deserves compensation. This is not unreasonable
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:04:00 - [21] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 08/12/2007 00:05:14 I have stayed far away from actively participating in PvP for years and never have had any problems avoiding it. Never had my ore stolen, never had my tech 2 BPO's blown up and have lost 3 ships in total over all these years, even though I frequent venture to low sec. I am delighted by the OP as it tells me that I am doing better as a carebear than he. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:04:00 - [22] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Grimpak In eve, people will shoot you if they have a reason for it. and making your life miserable is a good reason as any other. so stop running down like a headless chicken, and grab some guns and go shoot someone. If he complains about it, just tell him "hey, any reason is good to shoot at you, and you invaded my personal space. that's good enough reason for me." That's just like this one. This thread is now about my sigs. well, that sig pretty much explains the cornerstone of how pvp in EVE is, so there and yes, this is now a thread about Crumplecorn's sigs. --- planetary interaction idea!
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:06:00 - [23] Quote: We don't force the pvpers to suffer through agonizing hours of mining, trade or manufacturing and sales to earn isk to play this game. They can fight and earn isk. They get to play the game the way they want to. This privilege is not afforded those of us who would like to experience EVE content without engaging in PVP when we chose to. WRONG. 99% of pvpers have to mine, trade, manufacture, rat, or mission to fund their pvp activities. You do NOT make a profit in pvp.
Kritinana Minmatar Dark Empire Fleet	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:07:00 - [24] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate I accept the reality. I am not a gamer, although I have enjoyed playing this one. I do not have the time to read all the information like so many of you. If I tried to get educated myself on 1 100th of the posts I'd never play the game. I thought I could enjoy myself and practice some real life skills in a cool game. Obviously, that is not what EVE is about. In real life I have options. In EVE I am handicapped and surrounded by people who want to keep it that way and exploit their advantage. Fair enough. What happened to you is similar to real life just the same as all the other elements of the game you like. If you're walking around the mall with 5grand in your pocket and the wrong person notices, you're prime target for a can of whoop ass in the parking lot. At least in this instance the cops (concord) cavity searched him before he made off w/ the lewt. Point being, if you're carrying highly valuable cargo in a ship that is easily killable, you're asking for trouble. It's your own fault for "flashing your money around" that you got mugged. Also, this is not an exploit, it is intended to be the way it is. If you're able to understand these facts and not paint "GANK ME!! GANK ME!!" on the side of your ship, you'll be much more successful. If not, then I would suggest you play something else.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:07:00 - [25] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 07/12/2007 23:53:26 Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate So eve should not be a multifaceted product with gameplay for many different types of players. Yes it should. But all the facets should be able to interact freely. And it is. And they can. And that's why EVE is awesome. Moar linkage Not quite. It in fact is almost entirely supportive to pvp type gameplay. You can pvp and never have to experience any other part of the game while making profits and acquiring items and ships; not so for any other style of play. We must always accept the inequity of pvp regardless. If CCP blows you up this is a clear indictment to your behaviour and the victim deserves compensation. This is not unreasonable Hands up everyone who PvPs regularly with no other source of income than that PvP. ... Anyway. CONCORD blowing your attacker up is CCPs judgement on the situation, don't try to imply that CONCORD blowing you up means you broke some kind of game rule, because there is a support page which has already been linked to which directly contradicts that. Accept that carebears and PvPers must live with each other, or gb2/WoW. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:11:00 - [26] A few things here: 1) I have no idea what the term troll means. 2) This is not a whine. I am not crying about the loss. In fact I laughed and chatted with the players for quite some time after. 3) CCP could improve the deterrent in the way I describe and it would have an impact on those who are exploiting a game mechanic. 4) I am handicapped as an mmorpg non player... I do not have and will never have the speed and skill at game combat, but in the real world fighting is one of my strengths. 5) what I wrote about was merely a suggestion. I have no feelings on this at all. I could care less, but not by much. 6) I already replaced the mods and will be donating others as I have to many fortunate prats in the past. Fly safe and enjoy
Reticenti The Antilles Legion Quantum Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:11:00 - [27] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate 2007.12.07 20:55:00 Victim: RhadamanthineSpifflicate Involved parties: Name: Blink00 (laid the final blow) Ship: Purifier Weapon: Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Destroyed items: Vepas' Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Qty: 2 (Cargo) tbh, he was purifying eve from whiners like you to make eve more of a paradise Quote: If a player decides to violate secure space rules and destroys my ship unlawfully CCP blows him up and kill rights are given to me, the injured party, Secure space is a myth, all it is, is space with harsher consequences also, if you don't like it, you could always unsub, i wouldn't mind, really.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:15:00 - [28] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate 3) CCP could improve the deterrent in the way I describe and it would have an impact on those who are exploiting a game mechanic. The only person exploiting the game mechanic is you tbh How you could afford those mods and not be aware of suicide ganking in high sec smells of ebay to me. Glad you replaced them so quick, seems that you have some room on your credit card. Now..stop buying isk...and **** off [04:58:57] Azzloran > ever heard of a drake? you wont like them when they decloak on you
F90OEX	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:15:00 - [29] Dude think about it 2 Vepas' Modified Cruise Missile Launchers in a paper condor...
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:16:00 - [30] If you are quitting OP, consider contracting everything else you own to me, to send isk right click on my face and "send isk". Spam the 9 key then hit tab, then enter. Thankyou. Rate my charecters please, updated so need 3 more, 2M isk for each good review

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