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RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:35:00 - [1] 2007.12.07 20:55:00 Victim: RhadamanthineSpifflicate Alliance: NONE Corp: School of Applied Knowledge Destroyed: Condor System: Alikara Security: 0.7 Damage Taken: 843 Involved parties: Name: Blink00 (laid the final blow) Security: 3.6 Alliance: NONE Corp: SPECTRE Ops Ship: Purifier Weapon: Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Damage Done: 843 Destroyed items: Vepas' Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Qty: 2 (Cargo) As you can see, the loss occurred in Alikara empire 0.7 while I was autopilot flying through secure space and had to go to the toilet. I came back to find my ship gone and me pod bobbing in space. I was carrying 2 x vepas cruise missile launchers in my cargohold which were destroyed. There is a lot of value in EVE with regard to practicing skills in game that work well in real life as well. Business, research, marketing, budgeting, sales... because the list goes on and on there is very real skill training involved in playing EVE. I understand that a significant number of players are in it for the thrill and the kill of pvp, but must everyone always be forced into pvp? EVE established a venue for pvp and one for pve and grey areas where the safe and secure nature of empire bordered on the lawless lands where players had to accept the fact that there was risk associated with entering these areas. The risk associated with systems that allow for pvp are very real and act as a significant deterrent for many (and most certainly inspire the players to take precautions). The risk associated with suicide gank squad activity in secure empire space are not significant enough of a deterrent. The players who participate in suicide ganking are risking very little while padding their kill stats and earning notoriety. We don't force the pvpers to suffer through agonizing hours of mining, trade or manufacturing and sales to earn isk to play this game. They can fight and earn isk. They get to play the game the way they want to. This privilege is not afforded those of us who would like to experience EVE content without engaging in PVP when we chose to. Why am I expected to always accept the reality of PVP any where, any time? The penalty, the risk to the empire ganker is not enough to deter the behaviour. In game I am powerless to recover my losses but to adopt pvp and take further risk to attempt to get back what was taken from me unlawfully. If I am destroyed in empire and the player who destroyed me is blown up, why is my only recourse to participate in pvp? Why shouldn't I be entitled to compensation paid to me by the offending party? If a player decides to violate secure space rules and destroys my ship unlawfully CCP blows him up and kill rights are given to me, the injured party, but as a person who has never played any other mmorpg and is not anywhere near on par with frequent players of these types of games there is very little chance that pursuing and attempting to act on those rights realistically will only result in further loss for me. Essentially, I am forced to PVP or just eat the loss; no other recourse exists. I'm out my ship, mods, cargo and replacement costs. The offending party earns neg status (which is a badge of honour to many) and losses his ship. I should be able to drag them before a court and sue them to recover my losses... or by virtue of CCP judgment in destroying their ship guilt should be established and the fine levied. I should be granted compensation. deducted from the player responsible for causing my losses. Activity of alts and new characters should be applied to mains so that people cannot avoid paying by virtue of having no assets. In lieu of this approach and for the time being CCP should reimburse players for losses incurred through unlawful activity where CCP itself acts by destroying the offender. Thank you for your time,
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:36:00 - [2] eh... no. --- planetary interaction idea!
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:37:00 - [3] No, remember that high security space is Safer, not SAFE. You were told this when you completed the tutorial, and it's your fault for not taking such high-value items in such a weak ship. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Jolnas Arbiter	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:37:00 - [4] No, go back to world of warcraft you carebear. If mining is 50% more dangerous then mining will be 50% more profitable. This is the way the game works... it's not necassarily entirely a bad thing.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:38:00 - [5] Ouch. No. See the latest huge thread on suicide ganking also in this forum. Quote: Thank you for kittens, glitter, for warm nights in fuzzy blankets... Thank you for dolphins, whales... Thank you for cartoons, for birthdays, for candy and cookies. Thank you CCP!
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:39:00 - [6] Check this, http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=341 --------------------------------------- Output folder: C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE Delete file: \boot.ini Extract: boot.ini... 100%
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:41:00 - [7] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 07/12/2007 23:42:05 Relevant to your interests Incidentally, you can play this game however you want. You just have to take the time to avoid those playing it another way. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:43:00 - [8] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate I should be able to drag them before a court and sue them to recover my losses... or by virtue of CCP judgment in destroying their ship guilt should be established and the fine levied. I should be granted compensation. deducted from the player responsible for causing my losses. Activity of alts and new characters should be applied to mains so that people cannot avoid paying by virtue of having no assets. In lieu of this approach and for the time being CCP should reimburse players for losses incurred through unlawful activity where CCP itself acts by destroying the offender. You have kill rights. However, if this is not sufficient, please head to your nearest CONCORD Assembly station, or DED Station, and file form 38E. We will then be with you withing 3 to 4 weeks. For any further discussion, please get ahold of your nearest CONCORD agent. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:45:00 - [9] Crumples signature Linkage should comfort you considerably. Rate my charecters please, updated so need 3 more, 2M isk for each good review
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:48:00 - [10] So eve should not be a multifaceted product with gameplay for many different types of players. It is and should always be a place for pvpers to run free and feed off those who don't spend years sharpening their skills in player vs player combat. There are tons of games for the killer addicts... not many good ones for those who would like to practice real life skills and learn while playing a game. In real life I am not encouraged to become a vigilante for justice. There are other avenues of recourse. In EVE you folks don't want anything that might level the playing field. You would rather pad your kill stats on carebears and thank CCP for letting you off the hook and giving you the upper hand. You break the rules you are punished and suffer a loss. The person you attacked should not.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:49:00 - [11] ok now we know OP is a troll or a WOW player. /thread --------------------------------------- Output folder: C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE Delete file: \boot.ini Extract: boot.ini... 100%
Sister Libertina	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Tarminic No, remember that high security space is Safer, not SAFE. You were told this when you completed the tutorial, and it's your fault for not taking such high-value items in such a weak ship. Yeah so ner nerny ner ner ya noob. Always remember this - IT WAS YOUR FAULT!
Jonny JoJo Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:51:00 - [13] Did not relise Spectre ops were into suicide ganking. Anyhow point is that in a weak ship, anyone can lauch an attack on you for the sake of it. Eve is a bit like real life. Basically, you got a virtual mugging. What may be handy to note is that strong, tough ships to transport expensive items or somebody may do a suicide attack on you. I suggest youing a Transport ship or a heavily tanked battleship. I know someone who uses 8 1600 plates and a MWD on his abaddon to warp around (mwd trick lets peopel warp in max 10 seconds). Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:53:00 - [14] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 07/12/2007 23:53:26 Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate So eve should not be a multifaceted product with gameplay for many different types of players. Yes it should. But all the facets should be able to interact freely. And it is. And they can. And that's why EVE is awesome. Moar linkage - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:54:00 - [15] I accept the reality. I am not a gamer, although I have enjoyed playing this one. I do not have the time to read all the information like so many of you. If I tried to get educated myself on 1 100th of the posts I'd never play the game. I thought I could enjoy myself and practice some real life skills in a cool game. Obviously, that is not what EVE is about. In real life I have options. In EVE I am handicapped and surrounded by people who want to keep it that way and exploit their advantage. Fair enough.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:55:00 - [16] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate So eve should not be a multifaceted product with gameplay for many different types of players. It is and should always be a place for pvpers to run free and feed off those who don't spend years sharpening their skills in player vs player combat. There are tons of games for the killer addicts... not many good ones for those who would like to practice real life skills and learn while playing a game. In real life I am not encouraged to become a vigilante for justice. There are other avenues of recourse. In EVE you folks don't want anything that might level the playing field. You would rather pad your kill stats on carebears and thank CCP for letting you off the hook and giving you the upper hand. You break the rules you are punished and suffer a loss. The person you attacked should not. this is soo trolling, but I'll bite it anyways: In eve, people will shoot you if they have a reason for it. and making your life miserable is a good reason as any other. so stop running down like a headless chicken, and grab some guns and go shoot someone. If he complains about it, just tell him "hey, any reason is good to shoot at you, and you invaded my personal space. that's good enough reason for me." --- planetary interaction idea!
Viper G	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:57:00 - [17] Originally by: Paulo Damarr Check this, http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=341
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:57:00 - [18] The OP may want to read my signature for greater understanding! (I smell a huge troll however...) Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:57:00 - [19] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate I accept the reality. I am not a gamer, although I have enjoyed playing this one. I do not have the time to read all the information like so many of you. If I tried to get educated myself on 1 100th of the posts I'd never play the game. I thought I could enjoy myself and practice some real life skills in a cool game. Obviously, that is not what EVE is about. In real life I have options. In EVE I am handicapped and surrounded by people who want to keep it that way and exploit their advantage. Fair enough. I don't see how you consider yourself handicapped? EVE is all about freedom, but the cost of freedom is other people having that same freedom. Recognize that you do not want options or freedom, you want a game where everyone is 'handicapped' to play the same way as you, or if they can play differently are forced to do it away from you. That is not EVE. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 07/12/2007 23:53:26 Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate So eve should not be a multifaceted product with gameplay for many different types of players. Yes it should. But all the facets should be able to interact freely. And it is. And they can. And that's why EVE is awesome. Moar linkage Not quite. It in fact is almost entirely supportive to pvp type gameplay. You can pvp and never have to experience any other part of the game while making profits and acquiring items and ships; not so for any other style of play. We must always accept the inequity of pvp regardless. If CCP blows you up this is a clear indictment to your behaviour and the victim deserves compensation. This is not unreasonable
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:04:00 - [21] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 08/12/2007 00:05:14 I have stayed far away from actively participating in PvP for years and never have had any problems avoiding it. Never had my ore stolen, never had my tech 2 BPO's blown up and have lost 3 ships in total over all these years, even though I frequent venture to low sec. I am delighted by the OP as it tells me that I am doing better as a carebear than he. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:04:00 - [22] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Grimpak In eve, people will shoot you if they have a reason for it. and making your life miserable is a good reason as any other. so stop running down like a headless chicken, and grab some guns and go shoot someone. If he complains about it, just tell him "hey, any reason is good to shoot at you, and you invaded my personal space. that's good enough reason for me." That's just like this one. This thread is now about my sigs. well, that sig pretty much explains the cornerstone of how pvp in EVE is, so there and yes, this is now a thread about Crumplecorn's sigs. --- planetary interaction idea!
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:06:00 - [23] Quote: We don't force the pvpers to suffer through agonizing hours of mining, trade or manufacturing and sales to earn isk to play this game. They can fight and earn isk. They get to play the game the way they want to. This privilege is not afforded those of us who would like to experience EVE content without engaging in PVP when we chose to. WRONG. 99% of pvpers have to mine, trade, manufacture, rat, or mission to fund their pvp activities. You do NOT make a profit in pvp.
Kritinana Minmatar Dark Empire Fleet	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:07:00 - [24] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate I accept the reality. I am not a gamer, although I have enjoyed playing this one. I do not have the time to read all the information like so many of you. If I tried to get educated myself on 1 100th of the posts I'd never play the game. I thought I could enjoy myself and practice some real life skills in a cool game. Obviously, that is not what EVE is about. In real life I have options. In EVE I am handicapped and surrounded by people who want to keep it that way and exploit their advantage. Fair enough. What happened to you is similar to real life just the same as all the other elements of the game you like. If you're walking around the mall with 5grand in your pocket and the wrong person notices, you're prime target for a can of whoop ass in the parking lot. At least in this instance the cops (concord) cavity searched him before he made off w/ the lewt. Point being, if you're carrying highly valuable cargo in a ship that is easily killable, you're asking for trouble. It's your own fault for "flashing your money around" that you got mugged. Also, this is not an exploit, it is intended to be the way it is. If you're able to understand these facts and not paint "GANK ME!! GANK ME!!" on the side of your ship, you'll be much more successful. If not, then I would suggest you play something else.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:07:00 - [25] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 07/12/2007 23:53:26 Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate So eve should not be a multifaceted product with gameplay for many different types of players. Yes it should. But all the facets should be able to interact freely. And it is. And they can. And that's why EVE is awesome. Moar linkage Not quite. It in fact is almost entirely supportive to pvp type gameplay. You can pvp and never have to experience any other part of the game while making profits and acquiring items and ships; not so for any other style of play. We must always accept the inequity of pvp regardless. If CCP blows you up this is a clear indictment to your behaviour and the victim deserves compensation. This is not unreasonable Hands up everyone who PvPs regularly with no other source of income than that PvP. ... Anyway. CONCORD blowing your attacker up is CCPs judgement on the situation, don't try to imply that CONCORD blowing you up means you broke some kind of game rule, because there is a support page which has already been linked to which directly contradicts that. Accept that carebears and PvPers must live with each other, or gb2/WoW. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:11:00 - [26] A few things here: 1) I have no idea what the term troll means. 2) This is not a whine. I am not crying about the loss. In fact I laughed and chatted with the players for quite some time after. 3) CCP could improve the deterrent in the way I describe and it would have an impact on those who are exploiting a game mechanic. 4) I am handicapped as an mmorpg non player... I do not have and will never have the speed and skill at game combat, but in the real world fighting is one of my strengths. 5) what I wrote about was merely a suggestion. I have no feelings on this at all. I could care less, but not by much. 6) I already replaced the mods and will be donating others as I have to many fortunate prats in the past. Fly safe and enjoy
Reticenti The Antilles Legion Quantum Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:11:00 - [27] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate 2007.12.07 20:55:00 Victim: RhadamanthineSpifflicate Involved parties: Name: Blink00 (laid the final blow) Ship: Purifier Weapon: Caldari Navy Paradise Cruise Missile Destroyed items: Vepas' Modified Cruise Missile Launcher, Qty: 2 (Cargo) tbh, he was purifying eve from whiners like you to make eve more of a paradise Quote: If a player decides to violate secure space rules and destroys my ship unlawfully CCP blows him up and kill rights are given to me, the injured party, Secure space is a myth, all it is, is space with harsher consequences also, if you don't like it, you could always unsub, i wouldn't mind, really.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:15:00 - [28] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate 3) CCP could improve the deterrent in the way I describe and it would have an impact on those who are exploiting a game mechanic. The only person exploiting the game mechanic is you tbh How you could afford those mods and not be aware of suicide ganking in high sec smells of ebay to me. Glad you replaced them so quick, seems that you have some room on your credit card. Now..stop buying isk...and **** off [04:58:57] Azzloran > ever heard of a drake? you wont like them when they decloak on you
F90OEX	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:15:00 - [29] Dude think about it 2 Vepas' Modified Cruise Missile Launchers in a paper condor...
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:16:00 - [30] If you are quitting OP, consider contracting everything else you own to me, to send isk right click on my face and "send isk". Spam the 9 key then hit tab, then enter. Thankyou. Rate my charecters please, updated so need 3 more, 2M isk for each good review
Reticenti The Antilles Legion Quantum Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:16:00 - [31] Edited by: Reticenti on 08/12/2007 00:17:40 Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate A few things here: 1) I have no idea what the term troll means. 2) This is not a whine. I am not crying about the loss. In fact I laughed and chatted with the players for quite some time after. 3) CCP could improve the deterrent in the way I describe and it would have an impact on those who are exploiting a game mechanic. 4) I am handicapped as an mmorpg non player... I do not have and will never have the speed and skill at game combat, but in the real world fighting is one of my strengths. 5) what I wrote about was merely a suggestion. I have no feelings on this at all. I could care less, but not by much. 6) I already replaced the mods and will be donating others as I have to many fortunate prats in the past. Fly safe and enjoy 1. trolling is basically posting something with no real content. 2. If this isnt a whine, what is it then? 3. This is NOT an exploit, if it was, he would be banned, and i would be a high elf with pointy ears 4. RL threats, however, are against the EULA, and if you didn't make a threat, then what does this have to do with internet spaceships? 5. You dont care about this, yet you spend lots of time preparing this post, and commenting on it? 6. If you've replaced them since you have many fortunes, why do you need it replaced by CCP?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:16:00 - [32] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate 1) I have no idea what the term troll means. Perhaps. Perhaps. Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate 2) This is not a whine. I am not crying about the loss. In fact I laughed and chatted with the players for quite some time after. I did notice a strange lack of whine in this thread. Hmm... Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate 3) CCP could improve the deterrent in the way I describe and it would have an impact on those who are exploiting a game mechanic. It's not an exploit, it is working as intended, if it wasn't they would change it. Note to self: Make sig about definition of 'exploit' - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:18:00 - [33] Internal memmo to Crumplecorn - make sig about boot.ini Rate my charecters please, updated so need 3 more, 2M isk for each good review
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:20:00 - [34] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate A few things here: 1) I have no idea what the term troll means. 2) This is not a whine. I am not crying about the loss. In fact I laughed and chatted with the players for quite some time after. 3) CCP could improve the deterrent in the way I describe and it would have an impact on those who are exploiting a game mechanic. 4) I am handicapped as an mmorpg non player... I do not have and will never have the speed and skill at game combat, but in the real world fighting is one of my strengths. 5) what I wrote about was merely a suggestion. I have no feelings on this at all. I could care less, but not by much. 6) I already replaced the mods and will be donating others as I have to many fortunate prats in the past. Fly safe and enjoy this deterrement is good enough as a part of the learning curve that EVE has. It is also dire warning that in EVE, the only one that provides saftety is yourself. CONCORD just provides consequence to whoever breaks the law. --- planetary interaction idea!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:21:00 - [35] Originally by: Kirjava Internal memmo to Crumplecorn - make sig about boot.ini Internal memo to Kirjava - Considered it, everyone is doing it, therefore rejected for unoriginality. Sig about people jumping on bandwagons is a possibility though. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Mark Lucius The Vinlanders SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:22:00 - [36] Hi OP. I have some information that you may find useful here. Hope this will help you on your quest. Fly safe. --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:23:00 - [37] The word exploit has a different meaning to gamers... as I said I am not a gamer... exploit means to take advantage and does not imply something wrong. I do not know what troll means. I don't but isk I work my ass off and have lost many ships and mods playing this game. I have no interest in whining... I erroneously thought I could participate in an intelligent discussion on the suggestion but perhaps I should read more of the forums since it is obvious the rooms are not for intelligent discussion but rather insults and accusations when some one brings up something that attacks your precious sensibilities..
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:27:00 - [38] This is brought up constantly and attacks a fundamental point of EVE, which is that nowhere is completely safe. It is not received well, whether it was intended to be a troll or not. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Reticenti The Antilles Legion Quantum Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:28:00 - [39] Edited by: Reticenti on 08/12/2007 00:28:14 Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate The word exploit has a different meaning to gamers... as I said I am not a gamer... exploit means to take advantage and does not imply something wrong. I do not know what troll means. I don't but isk I work my ass off and have lost many ships and mods playing this game. I have no interest in whining... I erroneously thought I could participate in an intelligent discussion on the suggestion but perhaps I should read more of the forums since it is obvious the rooms are not for intelligent discussion but rather insults and accusations when some one brings up something that attacks your precious sensibilities.. Welcome to the eve-o forums. If you had read my response, you would have known what trolling is. Or you could have educated yourself, and used either this great tool called http://www.google.com or http://www.urbandictionary.com. The reason why this post has had harsh replies is because this post has been done so many times, people just don't want to hear about it any longer, and if your idea does go through, many, many, MANY people will quit eve because this is one of the things that makes eve unique and great.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:28:00 - [40] Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 08/12/2007 00:29:27 Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate I have no interest in whining... I erroneously thought I could participate in an intelligent discussion on the suggestion you unfortunately brought up a subject that has been posted about a dozen times a week for the last several years. It doesn't receive intelligent answers because most people are tired of hearing about it (not your fault, of course).... Quote: but perhaps I should read more of the forums since it is obvious the rooms are not for intelligent discussion but rather insults and accusations when some one brings up something that attacks your precious sensibilities.. THAT is the action that we call trolling Originally by: CCP Chronotis Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:29:00 - [41] I appreciate the error I made in carrying those mods in a flimsy ship... I know the loss was my fault. I accept it 100%. I like the game and, for the most part, the people in it... although there seem to be a lot of people ready to attack behind the SAFETY of their keyboards who wouldn't be so inclined in RL. this has been fun... Thanks for the good advice and the multiple links to the definitive word on playing it safer in SAFE space. cheers... and since I like to take calculated risks as well and often venture into those risky areas of the game... and end up in good conversations with the players that have blown my ships up and reaped great mods... some of you may find yourselves locking on to one of my ships. P.S. I like to turn down the lights just before the hull breaches to get the full effect of my ship exploding
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:30:00 - [42] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Kirjava Internal memmo to Crumplecorn - make sig about boot.ini Internal memo to Kirjava - Considered it, everyone is doing it, therefore rejected for unoriginality. Sig about people jumping on bandwagons is a possibility though. Internal memo received - noted that there appears to be no sigs concerning the star aka Jovian cropcircle, possible original material Rate my charecters please, updated so need 3 more, 2M isk for each good review
Reticenti The Antilles Legion Quantum Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:30:00 - [43] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate this has been fun... Thanks for the good advice and the multiple links to the definitive word on playing it safer in SAFE space. You still dont ******* get it do you :facepalm:
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:33:00 - [44] Point well taken... I SHOULD read the forums. Was not aware of the crap posted on this issue. I tried to read everything that was posted and missed some of the links... I will have to go back because I still don't know what troll is. Cheers all... I hope you enjoyed the smack down... you folks are good.. lol Eve rocks
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Kirjava Internal memmo to Crumplecorn - make sig about boot.ini Internal memo to Kirjava - Considered it, everyone is doing it, therefore rejected for unoriginality. Sig about people jumping on bandwagons is a possibility though. Internal memo received - noted that there appears to be no sigs concerning the star aka Jovian cropcircle, possible original material Received. Noted that there appears to be a reason for this, as its just an extra star we know nothing about. Thanks for the suggestion though. Over. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:33:00 - [46] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate ...while I was autopilot flying through secure space and had to go to the toilet... Some parts of EVE are simply unplayable without being afk. And it is quite reasonable to do something better while the ship is flying from lag to lag in the background. So docking is not an option because it is the same lost time as sitting at the keyboard to click warp to zero only because it is not automated as it should be. If the game were completely designed by all those afk enemies we probably had all the night and day to sit in front of our manufacturing jobs and to click every 2 minutes on some "please proceed" button.
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:35:00 - [47] you have my attention Reticenti... what is it you think I should get!
Reticenti The Antilles Legion Quantum Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:35:00 - [48] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate I still don't know what troll is. epic failure i dont even know why im linking you this, you can find it own your own http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling
Reticenti The Antilles Legion Quantum Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:37:00 - [49] Edited by: Reticenti on 08/12/2007 00:37:48 Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate you have my attention Reticenti... what is it you think I should get! safe space has NEVER been, nor ever will be SAFE, it merely has harsher consequences for breaking the law than low sec, and null sec
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:41:00 - [50] I finally was able to go back and read your post Reticenti... I do get it. Thank you. in response to the threat you alluded to it was not a threat but merely a counter to the label and behaviour of labeling carebears - marginalizing and invalidating a persons opinion based on stereotyping. like in real life if you are insulting people will respond in kind. In case you have not noticed I am an avid writer and enjoyed composing and learning here... doesn't have to be a whine
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:44:00 - [51] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate I should read more of the forums since it is obvious the rooms are not for intelligent discussion but rather insults and accusations when some one brings up something that attacks your precious sensibilities.. Your name...you are a spliff head Intelligence is not to be mistaken for being stoned Also ..you buy isk. Have a good day..ebayer [04:58:57] Azzloran > ever heard of a drake? you wont like them when they decloak on you
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:45:00 - [52] I did say right form the beginning that I this is the first and only game I have ever played... I do not know the terminology or the unique attitudes... to a lay person outsider this community is very hostile and intolerant of those not part of the group. I have learned from this. Thank you for your time
Reticenti The Antilles Legion Quantum Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:48:00 - [53] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate I did say right form the beginning that I this is the first and only game I have ever played... I do not know the terminology or the unique attitudes... to a lay person outsider this community is very hostile and intolerant of those not part of the group. I have learned from this. Thank you for your time The eve-o forums are hostile towards most topics, but mostly because it's open range for people to vent and rant. Try http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/index.php for a much better eve community. It actually has real mods that mod because they care about the community.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:50:00 - [54] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate unique attitudes... to a lay person outsider this community is very hostile and intolerant of those not part of the group. I have learned from this. Thank you for your time Unique attitudes?!...you screwed up, due to your own ignorance. These are not unique attitudes, it's called common sense. The only thing you have learned from this..is that your holier than thou attitude is about as much use in a game as it is in real life. Get out more [04:58:57] Azzloran > ever heard of a drake? you wont like them when they decloak on you
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:54:00 - [55] That is spiff licate not spliff... both rhadamanthine and spifflicate are english words whose means you may look up. it is a contraction. Please refrain from insults and expressing conjecture as fact. I trade, mine and manufacture.. from time to time I mission run and have been playing this game for over 3 yrs without ever encountering a gank anywhere but in 0.4 or lower. Much like an earlier poster I have played this game without encountering pvp except in places that I went knowing it would be there... and have enjoyed that aspect although I always lose the ship and many times woke up a clone. I spend very little time on the forums and know the things I have done well and not much beyond that... still new to much of this despite years of playing it
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.08 00:58:00 - [56] what I have learned Flinx is that you are trolling. Stop with the attacks and insults
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:00:00 - [57] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate So eve should not be a multifaceted product with gameplay for many different types of players. It is and should always be a place for pvpers to run free and feed off those who don't spend years sharpening their skills in player vs player combat. I don't consider training for Transports a choice remotely related to PVP combat do you? ~~~~~~~~~ Hi. I'm Rock. Make Eve good for rock. Give me scissor arms!
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:02:00 - [58] EVE, Game = best game ever EVE, Forums = worst I have ever come across, you guys suck big time and the PvPers in EVE are the biggest whiners of them all ! ! ! at the first sign of attempted "game balancing" by CCP that doesn't suit them, they all come crying on here no, my stuff is mine and you can't have it Q6600,8800 Ultra SLI, Vista 32, 4Gig RAM , G15 , TripleHead2Go, Raptor X
RhadamanthineSpifflicate	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:03:00 - [59] good point.. i have seen the error in many of the things I have posted... you are quite right... training transpaorts has nothing to do with pvp... the thing was I chose not to fly a big heavy ship because I knew I was hitting the can and didn't want the slow impulse speed trip for the last 15kms... I went for speed... and speed kills if you are also flimsy and not around.. cheers
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:06:00 - [60] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate good point.. i have seen the error in many of the things I have posted... you are quite right... training transpaorts has nothing to do with pvp... the thing was I chose not to fly a big heavy ship because I knew I was hitting the can and didn't want the slow impulse speed trip for the last 15kms... I went for speed... and speed kills if you are also flimsy and not around.. cheers Get a blockade runner (for caldari, see the "Crane"). They are fast, have good resistances and built in warp core stabilization. ~~~~~~~~~ Hi. I'm Rock. Make Eve good for rock. Give me scissor arms!
SumDum AirHawk Alliance Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:15:00 - [61] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate good point.. i have seen the error in many of the things I have posted... you are quite right... training transpaorts has nothing to do with pvp... the thing was I chose not to fly a big heavy ship because I knew I was hitting the can and didn't want the slow impulse speed trip for the last 15kms... I went for speed... and speed kills if you are also flimsy and not around.. cheers Ever heard of docking up to take a dump? I am simply amazing at the people who expect pvp immunity since they don't want to take part in it. I've taken the time to read some of your previous thoughts on this over the years. Mostly because at first I couldn't believe a 3 year old player would possibly start a thread as ridiculous as this, and I was expecting to find you were a recently auctioned character. After just a few quick glances though, it appears you are probably the original player for the account and really do have the carebear stare. And it also appears that you have full knowledge of the dangers of space, and a long standing hatred of people who pvp at will anywhere they wish. Admit it, this is a whine thread, you lost some spendy stuff and you would like the other carebears to come out and scream at the devs in your name to get more "game balance" implemented.
Helen Baque Gallente Legendary Dark Knights	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:22:00 - [62] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate In real life I have options. In EVE I am handicapped and surrounded by people who want to keep it that way and exploit their advantage. You've got that backwards, mate. If you think real life is anything other than "a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim", then you need to get out more. The difference between EVE and real life is that EVE does have rules.
Extregar Qvint Caldari FinFleet	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:30:00 - [63] Sorry for the loss Rhad. **** happens to us all (no matter if we are pvp'ers or pve'ers) from time to time. I doubt this little gank will have any major impact on your game experience thou. For the future i can attest to the above poster that blockade runners are fine ships for this sort of task. As someone who actually "know" Rhad from my early days in the game, i very much doubt he is a ebayer. (unless he sold his char natuarally, lols) Well, i bet this was the last time you moved officer mods in a condor at least!
Zandaar	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:34:00 - [64] I appear to have accidentally logged in to battle net.
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:39:00 - [65] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate but must everyone always be forced into pvp? oh wtf? It's a multilayer game. Go play single player if you do not like it. Better get used to it now, most of us have been doing it since the netquake days. The only point/reason/goal to gaming is to kill, kill, kill, period.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2007.12.08 01:44:00 - [66] Originally by: RhadamanthineSpifflicate but must everyone always be forced into pvp? thanks again, crumplecorn. --- planetary interaction idea!

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