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Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.08 19:30:00 - [1] ..Now boosts 7200 per cycle by default, instead of the pre-patch figure of 6400. Thanks, CCP. Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.
NoNah	Posted - 2007.12.08 19:40:00 - [2] I can see how the caldari capitals didn't tank enough...? Wth? Is there ANYTHING in the caldari fleet that didn't get a boost with this patch? Postcount: 994741
OOOSOOO Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.12.08 19:43:00 - [3] Originally by: NoNah I can see how the caldari capitals didn't tank enough...? Wth? Is there ANYTHING in the caldari fleet that didn't get a boost with this patch? Shuttle, but it was already the WTFOMGBBQHAXZORZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So, yeah, it hasn't been changed. hiccup
Jackal79	Posted - 2007.12.08 19:48:00 - [4] Is the cycle length the same?
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.08 19:51:00 - [5] Originally by: Jackal79 Is the cycle length the same? Yup. 10 secs. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. ... - Cortes honestly now... the sig is 25k :S
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.12.08 19:54:00 - [6] I dont get it, i thought they compared very nicely with armor reps. Or is this for all the caldari whiners that required 5 caprelay to make it stabile in laggy enviroment.... Well, newsflash, neither of the other dreads can permarun guns + dual rep capital tank. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.08 19:56:00 - [7] Originally by: madaluap I dont get it, i thought they compared very nicely with armor reps. Or is this for all the caldari whiners that required 5 caprelay to make it stabile in laggy enviroment.... Well, newsflash, neither of the other dreads can permarun guns + dual rep capital tank. What is your point? I see unsupported claims along with opinions, presented as fact, can you please elaborate? Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.
NoNah	Posted - 2007.12.08 19:56:00 - [8] Originally by: madaluap I dont get it, i thought they compared very nicely with armor reps. Or is this for all the caldari whiners that required 5 caprelay to make it stabile in laggy enviroment.... Well, newsflash, neither of the other dreads can permarun guns + dual rep capital tank. They were in fact the by far strongest tanks, stable and unstable. And yes, it seems the whine won by far this patch. A sad era indeed. =( I'm starting to fear that I'll end up in one of the tinfoil groups that suspect the balance team of nolonger playing the game. =( Postcount: 157019
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.12.08 19:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: madaluap I dont get it, i thought they compared very nicely with armor reps. Or is this for all the caldari whiners that required 5 caprelay to make it stabile in laggy enviroment.... Well, newsflash, neither of the other dreads can permarun guns + dual rep capital tank. What is your point? I see unsupported claims along with opinions, presented as fact, can you please elaborate? updated my post. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.08 20:06:00 - [10] Well there is the fact that shieldboosters require a sick amount of CPU thus limiting your fitting options (try a t2 tank with drone control units on chimera - needs at least one co-proc and/or cpu implant), second the inherent resists of shields are lower, and there are generally less slots available to tank. Add to that the fact that a damage control unit helps armortanking alot more than it does shield tanking, and it balances out after all. Not sure if this buff was justified, then again, it's only 12.5%. It won't break the game or allow us to do anything we previously couldn't. Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.08 20:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Sokratesz Not sure if this buff was justified, then again, it's only 12.5%. It won't break the game or allow us to do anything we previously couldn't. Well you could jump up and down (or in circles, if you prefer) and make fun of Amarr capital pilots by repeating "my EFT tank is better than yours" all the time. --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.08 20:17:00 - [12] Originally by: Ogul Originally by: Sokratesz Not sure if this buff was justified, then again, it's only 12.5%. It won't break the game or allow us to do anything we previously couldn't. Well you could jump up and down (or in circles, if you prefer) and make fun of Amarr capital pilots by repeating "my EFT tank is better than yours" all the time. Do i look, sound or smell like i use EFT? My hangar and ti38 are much more reliable. Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.12.08 20:21:00 - [13] Edited by: madaluap on 08/12/2007 20:23:17 Originally by: Sokratesz Well there is the fact that shieldboosters require a sick amount of CPU thus limiting your fitting options (try a t2 tank with drone control units on chimera - needs at least one co-proc and/or cpu implant), second the inherent resists of shields are lower, and there are generally less slots available to tank. Add to that the fact that a damage control unit helps armortanking alot more than it does shield tanking, and it balances out after all. Not sure if this buff was justified, then again, it's only 12.5%. It won't break the game or allow us to do anything we previously couldn't. I have no problem with fixing real issues. If all carriers are capable of fielding a decent setup without having to use faction, than chimera should be capable of this aswell. (Im talking DCU's, remote repair/boost, good tank). I find it a bit odd that you mention a lowslot module that boost shieldtank/armortank and than look upon the small difference of 2.5% (if i recall correct) as a big bonus for the armortankers. Lowslot modules boosting a shieldtank = win. Lowslot modules boosting a armortank = standard. Most fighting(not EW)setups that caldari use, have "useless" lowslot(s) that dont really boost PVP-performance. Take raven as a example, 3* BCU II + power diag in pvp? (only the PG boost on diag usefull, because of capinjectors or low capusage in general) These kind of boosts that come out of nothingness, they just make me go WTF. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.08 20:25:00 - [14] I definetly agree on the wtf factor, albeit it was a pleasant wtf on this side of the fence Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2007.12.08 21:02:00 - [15] You know, I'm starting to think that it was a good idea that I decided to diversify into Caldari ships a bit --- MOZO
Tenebrious Quantum Technologies	Posted - 2007.12.08 22:19:00 - [16] CCP, Why are you making changes like this? They don't make very much sense and aren't even documented? It seems like someone plowed through the DB real quick and decided _____ wasn't quite good enough so the value got adjusted.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.12.08 22:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 08/12/2007 20:29:12 I definetly agree on the wtf factor, albeit it was a pleasant wtf on this side of the fence Damage controls on capital ships aren't very useful in case of a shieldtank or limited slot armortank while they can be used to great advantage on armortanks. My dread pilot has a moros with 1x repper 2x EANM 1x DCU 3x hardeners that will permarun a sick **** tank in siege, and the DCU is extremely valuable there, while capital shield tankers with perspectives of large laggy environments asking for a permatank, can not fit one due to slot limitations. Big resists, but 2 reppers and a mag stab seems better to me. Sort of tank/gank balance... _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Enden Assulu Caldari Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2007.12.08 23:25:00 - [18] Yay
Linas IV	Posted - 2007.12.08 23:39:00 - [19] Edited by: Linas IV on 08/12/2007 23:45:32 First they switch the Nidhoggur to armor tanking, and now this! Curse you CCP! They really don't like minmatar capitals.... This is now really getting caldary online.
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2007.12.08 23:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Linas IV This is now really getting caldary online. Naaah.. But it may be becoming Caldari online. Hurr Hurr --- MOZO
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.08 23:53:00 - [21] Well - I love being fair and all - And ill say, this boost is unjustified. No whines have been made to make the shield boost better, or anything along those lines. The most that has been done is moaning of CPU, which IS justified. So if folks want to whine, dont whine to us caldari capital pilots. Whilst im sure we welcome the change, not our doing.
Pure Murder	Posted - 2007.12.08 23:55:00 - [22] I can see why they're implementing this. Capital shield tanks aren't as sustainable if they feed mainly off PDS even if they are stronger. Use cap fluxes and they're way easier to neut. Use CPRs and if you want a sensor booster or two, or sensor booster and ECCM, well they lose their strength advantage. Armor tankers don't have this issue. Slap on some rechargers, cap rigs and you're good to go. PS: make the nid a shield tanker again .
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.09 00:49:00 - [23] Originally by: madaluap Take raven as a example, 3* BCU II + power diag in pvp? (only the PG boost on diag usefull, because of capinjectors or low capusage in general) Only cruise ravens can get away with that. A torp raven needs both a reactor control II and a coprocessor II. The last 3 lowslots thus end up being 3 bcu II or 2 bcu II and 1 dcu II. Caldari shield-tankers don't necessarily have all of these "useless" slots you're referring to. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
HarryManback Minmatar Conniving Opportunist	Posted - 2007.12.09 00:58:00 - [24] Edited by: HarryManback on 09/12/2007 00:59:11 Originally by: madaluap This is so over the top. Doesnt matter, what goes around comes around. Maybe it will take 1 year, but it will come back @ caldari. They been saying that for the last 6 years. Since the days of dual MWD torp ravens.
Alkier	Posted - 2007.12.09 01:27:00 - [25] I agree with "Wrayeth" Caldari needed this boost i have 2 accounts both with about 18mil sp my caldari with a reasonable amount of gallente toon well just logged on to change skills over because caldari suck ass at PVP 1v1. My other toon can fly amarr and minnie which is used every day and that toon has about 17mil sp but ship for ship in each class my amarr & minnie toon wins. Both toons have only PVP skills Caldari = Hard tank, Good DPS, no tackle Minnie = Speed, Ok DPS, OK tank, tackle and the ability to run if need be ( I know running is a wimps way out) Amarr = Hard tank, Good DPS and can tackle anything but nano minnie/Gallente. Gallente = OK tank, Excellent DPS, and some speed This is how i see the races from HAC to BS. There are obviously some exceptions so don't go oh the slepnir can tank and doesnt have speed or what eva i know someone will say that. "I fly all races between 2 accounts and have been waiting for a caldari boost" So i think CCP have got it right
Tenebrious Quantum Technologies	Posted - 2007.12.09 01:48:00 - [26] Amarr ... tackle? Surely you must be joking.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:02:00 - [27] ROFL this is just comedy gold. I'd already decided that the Chimera was where I wanted to take my Caldari alt... this just reinforces it. Though I hesitate to train for obvious nerfbait. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?

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