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Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.12.09 00:53:00 - [31] Originally by: SnakeByte86 But the day i was awake and listening, was when we talked about game companies paying people to talk them up on forums. Don't forget that game companies also pay people to go to the competitions forums and run riot also.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
SnakeByte86	Posted - 2007.12.09 01:00:00 - [32] lol my prof. told us that when he was working PR for a big evil company, that they would even post all kinds of useless bug reports, just to keep the devs busy lol. Game companies are so cute.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.12.09 01:07:00 - [33] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 09/12/2007 01:07:36 Welcome to capitolism online mate.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Kritch Astro Dogs Metastar Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.09 01:13:00 - [34] Haha, this place is very civil compared to what I experienced with WoW. Go check out a PvP realm forum for the most sandbox fighting though class forums come a close second with a mix of interclass (usually nerf threads) or intraclass (usually stfu nub threads). There is very little worth reading on those forums. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Only thing more dull than mining Ice is hauling it
ShinjiKI Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.12.09 01:17:00 - [35] Originally by: Crumplecorn The fact that the EVE-O Fora have a continually worsening signal to noise ratio simply shows that CCP is successfully marketing the game to the general public. not much to add lol
Kravick Drasari	Posted - 2007.12.09 01:17:00 - [36] WoW forums are a LOT worse than these forums. This place is nice in comparison. However, no matter what game forum you read there will always be flames and calls for developer blood. No game is immune to these kinds of posts.
Kreditz	Posted - 2007.12.09 01:35:00 - [37] I can verify that star wars galaxies has the absolute worst forums on the internet... Not to say that the swg players don't have plenty of valid complaints, and not to say that several of their game-murdering devs probably do deserve to be smoking a turd in hell (to quote Robin Williams). I'm still pretty new to eve and I'm not one to complain about a game that I'm finding fairly enjoyable, but I'm seeing a lot of good content has been thrown out the window, and those playing styles really should be reinstated in some way before the veteren community becomes alienated entirely. I think there are a lot of valid complaints in any game, and that the devs need to NOT make the kinds of mistakes that I've seen in other mmorpgs... I won't list them here out of respect for the op. However, I do encourage everyone to be their better selves on any mmorpg board if they want credibility and a reasonable response from those in charge. Post your complaints, just don't be volatile about it and positive changes may occur... hopefully... and then, sometimes not, sadly.
Jayoasis Gallente SHAPE S.H.A.P.E.	Posted - 2007.12.09 01:37:00 - [38] Starwars has a totally broken game so I am guessing their forums must be pretty negative, but to be fair they have way more to comaplain about! □ΞVΞ□
Mohia Matara The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.12.09 01:40:00 - [39] This forum has been pretty nippy. WoW forums are more immature with the tons of "Do [x] to the person below" threads that litter the hole that is their forums. EvE forums are good if you ignore all but oope ___________________ I'm annoying
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.09 01:41:00 - [40] CAOD has improved exponentially. As for attitude towards developers, only the SWG forums were worse. They also deserved it.

Cygnus Zhada Amarr The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.09 02:28:00 - [41] EVE itself isn't a very friendly, positive game in the first place. ------------ We didn't want that boot.ini anyway
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.09 04:53:00 - [42] All mmo forums are full of whines, especially around patches. There never are grey areas only black/white. In some ways the wow forums were worse as the whining about classes that were over/underpowered consumed the forums. But they usually deleted the "blizzard you suck" posts so on that front the forum looked cleaner. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.09 04:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Commodore Andrews It seems like more then half of the posts in the EVE forums are attacks of some sort against CCP. I know that now is a bad time to judge the positive: negative ratio due to the patch, but it seems even during peace time (No random unnecessary nerfs on the horizon) EVE has become a place where a large percentage of the players seem to FEED on attacking its developers and staff in some way or another. What kind of picture do you think it paints for potential new players exploring EVE on its forums? I have never played another PC MMOà are other MMO forums like this? #begin whine Seems to me CCP needs to pay more attention to what is fun, and not necessarily what is ôbalancedö. Not to be another player tossing fuel on the fire, but I have been playing for 3 years now, and over those years I have never seen the fun BEAT out of the game as hard as it has in the last 6 months. It is sad really. get out jk ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Recluse Viramor Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.09 04:59:00 - [44] From the number of MMO's I've played in the past, which includes Anarchy Online, SWG, Planetside, Lineage 2, and WoW, I'd say EVE has some of the best forums.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.09 05:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Cygnus Zhada EVE itself isn't a very friendly, positive game in the first place. True, from the number of people I've seen who have said "I quit" after losing one ship or being podded the first time. I don't see a point in creating an "OMG Nerfbat" thread, when a civil discussion would get a whole lot more solved. Of course most of you recognize me as a troll, but hey... sometimes it's deserved by the OP, and well sometimes... I just can't help myself. The forums here aren't all that bad to be honest, even if EVE is the first and only MMO I've found even remotely interesting. ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :) Originally by: kessah -notice the fact the are all nearly Amarr and Amarr do not suck.
Zephyrys Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.09 05:47:00 - [46] Every forum complains to their MMO makers.. its par for the course.. However.. I do have to say.. this is, so far as I have found, to be one of the most newbie unfriendly forums ever. Its hostile and overly critical of any post whether it be a positive, negative or even a simple question.. This forum has a cruel and childish fanbase -------------- Active Miner improvement Threads = 5 Active Miner improvement Threads with Dev Response = 0
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.12.09 05:47:00 - [47] WoW Gen Killing Ifrit Allakhazam, any of the games. MMORPG.com EVE-O is amateur hour when it comes to negativity. The flames have been prevalent as of late, but they're not that bad comparatively.
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:33:00 - [48] Yeah , this forum went down the drain because of CCP , they got rid of ISD forum mods but didn't do much to improve the state of the forum themselves , damn slackers. They should pay more attention to the image of the game this forum projects , and work on some PR at least - daily unaddressed insults to their very staff , how sloppy is that ?
Valora Grear Tau Ceti Global Production	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:44:00 - [49] Forget PR. Eve wants to look good this is how they can do it...in the order of importance imo. Be transparent in policy, actions and current focus. Stop being forum **s in regards to free speech on the forums. Stop playing in Tranq. ACTUALLY FIX THE BUGS... Don't update, or nerf or balance, work on general stability for the next year. Actually *** down on Bots...yes that's right spend money on actual people to do this. *courtesy of www.flickr.com I hate the jpeg format...
Treean	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:48:00 - [50] *"Discussing moderation is a violation of the forum rules." <--- Ummmm I thought forums were BUILT for discussing?* ^From your sig... Not when you have something to hide.

Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:50:00 - [51] Originally by: mechtech No... SOE's Star Wars Galaxy. You have no idea... It's been OVER 2 YEARS since the massive nerf, and a huge # of people still feel like they want SOE to burn in hell. Real quick one more time for all you people who play MMOs and don't bother to learn anything about the industry or the companies who are making your games. SWG's NGE = MANDATED BY LUCAS ARTS. SOE does not own SWG or the Star Wars license, and the licenser DEMANDED the changes or threatened to kill the game outright. So go ahead and hate SOE or whatever, its popular amongst former SWG players, but you should hate Lucas Arts more. k
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.09 06:54:00 - [52] Originally by: Zephyrys Every forum complains to their MMO makers.. its par for the course.. However.. I do have to say.. this is, so far as I have found, to be one of the most newbie unfriendly forums ever. Its hostile and overly critical of any post whether it be a positive, negative or even a simple question.. This forum has a cruel and childish fanbase I think the problem is the demographics of this game. We're very PVP elite heavy, and most of the players are single men between 16 and 25. Having more mature players on the one hand makes a better game, and even a better community, but I think conjecture here that when you mix our particular demographic with the particular play style of eve you get asshats on forums if you are a newb. -K
BoB sucks Burning Bush Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:12:00 - [53] Originally by: Recluse Viramor From the number of MMO's I've played in the past, which includes Anarchy Online, SWG, Planetside, Lineage 2, and WoW, I'd say EVE has some of the best forums. SWG, OMG horrible forums
Caligulus Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:25:00 - [54] REPOST because the thread wound up locked while I was posting. The negativity on the forums is the product of frustration with CCP's lack of clear and concise communication. When a major bug is found. You need to inform your community IMMEDIATELY. Not 12 or 24 hours later. It's a major kick in the junk to spend hours, days, weeks working on something only to have it blown away because someone else was to lazy or nearsighted to bother mentioning the change to those it affects in advance. Secondly, when a product becomes part of one's daily life you expect nothing but immaculate performance. EvE fails to deliver this on almost every level. Which is ironic considering it can easily become a game that demands your time every day to micromanage all of it's intricacies. The blame for the bugs ultimately rests on the shoulders of the developers. After a peak into the programming habits of CCP devs (boot.ini) it's clear that there are some major flaws in design development and deployment. In software as complex as EvE you need to engineer your coding implementation in such a format that it eliminates the potential for bugs by design. Doing this eliminates the need for sophisticated, time consuming, and costly QA. Obviously not all of the developers are idiots. Some have key skill and vision which propel EvE onto good things. However, it only takes one worm to spoil an apple pie. There are some big time idiots and clowns on staff at CCP that make poor decisions. CCP's upper management seems to utterly disregard this and continues to keep these errant members on staff (T-20 for instance spawned t2 bpos for himself on the live server). This is indicative of one of 2 things. CCP can't afford to lose these individuals or it's a sign of management that doesn't care. They refuse to tell us so it rests on the players to make that decision. My personal opinion is that Helmar's a slacker and needs to axe some people. That opinion derives from the consistent failure of his subordinates. Some players earnestly don't care. They just want to play the game. I think that's fair considering this is just a game. On the other hand if you plan on spending time and effort into creating a home hear in EvE you should consider the lively hood of the game itself. It's important to note that a company and a development staff that lacks vision or skill is one that's doomed to collapse eventually. Would you build a house in the sand? ------------------------------------------------- ** Name ONE thing that your windows comp can do that my MAC cant ** Right click.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:48:00 - [55] Originally by: Commodore Andrews What kind of picture do you think it paints for potential new players exploring EVE on its forums? I have never played another PC MMOà are other MMO forums like this? One that is very relevant to the game itself: rampant griefing, dissatisfaction and people getting very involved (i.e. emotional) about the game or leaving quickly. Personally, I understand a lot of the whines, what I don't understand is all the flames against people who complain. There's a huge crowd that just comes on the forums to flame other people for not being fanbois/whatever. Quote: Seems to me CCP needs to pay more attention to what is fun, and not necessarily what is ôbalancedö. Not to be another player tossing fuel on the fire, but I have been playing for 3 years now, and over those years I have never seen the fun BEAT out of the game as hard as it has in the last 6 months. It is sad really. QFT. "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.09 07:49:00 - [56] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: SnakeByte86 But the day i was awake and listening, was when we talked about game companies paying people to talk them up on forums. Don't forget that game companies also pay people to go to the competitions forums and run riot also.. Maybe, but you'd find those people on WoW forums or something, EVE is small and insignificant for any competing MMO to spend money on "griefing". "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security	Posted - 2007.12.09 08:02:00 - [57] Edited by: Verx Interis on 09/12/2007 08:03:26 If you say you hate Eve, you get flamed. If you say you hate a certain ship, you get flamed. If you say you were killed, you get flamed. If you want a ship nerfed, you get flamed. If you want a ship boosted, you get flamed. If you point out something you don't like, you get flamed. If you point out something you do like, you get flamed. If you point out something just because you noticed it, you get flamed. If you say you love Eve, you get flamed. If you say pretty much near damn anything, you get flamed. -----sig-starts-here------ Ok I need a new sig so...
Aprudenb Gist	Posted - 2007.12.09 08:06:00 - [58] Originally by: Verx Interis Edited by: Verx Interis on 09/12/2007 08:03:26 If you say you hate Eve, you get flamed. If you say you hate a certain ship, you get flamed. If you say you were killed, you get flamed. If you want a ship nerfed, you get flamed. If you want a ship boosted, you get flamed. If you point out something you don't like, you get flamed. If you point out something you do like, you get flamed. If you point out something just because you noticed it, you get flamed. If you say you love Eve, you get flamed. If you say pretty much near damn anything, you get flamed. iit your getting flamed for talking about things to get flamed about. its because this game has such large consequences for taking a ship out to play that it scares most care bears after a short peroid of time after they lose what ever expensive stuff they had.
MalVortex	Posted - 2007.12.09 08:19:00 - [59] Wait wait wait... Theres more to EVE than forums? :psyduck:
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.09 08:32:00 - [60] I love my forums, they have chaos Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."



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