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Ruby2Shoes
Black Sea Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:26:00 -
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AFK Hauling...
Yes, a suicide gankers heaven. However as i understand it, this is because a hauler can be taken down by a high DPS BS before concord can react.
But my question is this...
Is it safe to AFK haul through empire (0.5>) in a Freighter?
Ive never done it, but im guessing because of the massive hitpoints, concord would fry any potential attackers before the freighter was down.
What do you think? Is this the ONLY safe way to transport large amounts of valuable equipment around empire safely?
your thoughts please....
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Takahashi Clutch
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:30:00 -
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Edited by: Takahashi Clutch on 11/12/2007 01:30:50
imo, the only "safe" place is docked. every place outside of that is free game.
so you need to see if you can really afford to lose whatever it is you're hauling.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:32:00 -
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if they don't bring 30 battles ships :)
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looking to work in the art department with CCP, 3 years and counting. http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Dropthi |
Ruby2Shoes
Black Sea Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Takahashi Clutch
Edited by: Takahashi Clutch on 11/12/2007 01:30:50
imo, the only "safe" place is docked. every place outside of that is free game.
so you need to see if you can really afford to lose whatever it is you're hauling.
Of course..but comment on the original post/query please...
Is afk travelling through empire in a freighter safe?
...if you cant/dont know the answer to this question then post elsewhere.
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Gekkoh
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:35:00 -
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No.
There have been freighters taken out by suicide ganks in the past.
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xena zena
Dragons Of Redemption
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:37:00 -
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Freighters can be ganked, takes 20-30 battleships (usually Domis with t2 ogres). So long as your cargo is less then 1-2bn your fairly safe, presuming your corp isn't at war. Once you start going over the 2bn mark a freighter starts to be profitable to gank. I'd recommend hauling single stacks of things so that theres a 50/50 chance of that stack being popped, or dumping everything into general freight cans, with the most valuable stuff in one can, making that can 50/50 chance of popping. Greatly increases the risk of the ganker if they want to take you down when things are in cans.
But still anything over the 1.5-2bn mark and you start to become a target in a freighter.
Of course if you was in a player corp and you wasn't AFK and had friends webbing you as you flew across (they have to be in same corp) you'd be pretty much instantly in warp on the in-gates and warping to 0m means you'd be instantly through the out-gates... making it virtually impossible to gank you in high-sec without declaring war, and even if they do that you have 24h to adjust.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 11/12/2007 01:40:05
Originally by: Ruby2Shoes
Is it safe to AFK haul through empire (0.5>) in a Freighter?
Answer depends on your cargo value. Will take at least 15 gank BS to take you down before concord reacts (no point in plates..go full gank  )
To arrange the appropriate suicide squad will take at least 30mins, so there is your window.
Unless you are a target and were spotted the previous day doing the same journey with silly amounts of loot on board you can afk in freighter for max of 20mins
of course if you die in that time..don't blame me 
The value you haul..hmm, well 15BS with insurance and mods will need about 600mil payout to be even. They expect at least half of your loot to be lost, so they looking for a juicy 3bil freighter haul to justify the time. 5bil is nice
Hope that helps
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Ruby2Shoes
Black Sea Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:42:00 -
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Fantastic Answers.
Many Thanks Guys.
Regards
Ruby2shoes
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konkord
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:44:00 -
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Just as an fyi - it'd take more than 15 gank BS to take a freighter down quicker than a concrd reaction. I'm thinking double that. Maybe at least 20-25 using energy transfer matrix and/or shield/armor transfer.
concord might take upto 20 seconds to arrive but every one of their gang will recieve the full force of attack. its not simply a case of outnumbering concord, its more about resisting their offense long enough to destroy your target. |
Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: konkord
Just as an fyi - it'd take more than 15 gank BS to take a freighter down quicker than a concrd reaction. I'm thinking double that. Maybe at least 20-25 using energy transfer matrix and/or shield/armor transfer.
Nope..from experience, we alphaed a freighter..it died in 12 seconds . Transfer will not help you because Concord insta jamms and neuts you when they show up.
15 works full gank, and once again, I say to the wannabe gankers...go gank 
Plates are useless. You may live longer, but you not shooting anything
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konkord
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: konkord
Just as an fyi - it'd take more than 15 gank BS to take a freighter down quicker than a concrd reaction. I'm thinking double that. Maybe at least 20-25 using energy transfer matrix and/or shield/armor transfer.
Nope..from experience, we alphaed a freighter..it died in 12 seconds . Transfer will not help you because Concord insta jamms and neuts you when they show up.
15 works full gank, and once again, I say to the wannabe gankers...go gank
Plates are useless. You may live longer, but you not shooting anything
wow I though't it'd be more than that. Well if you've tried and tested that, nice one!!! lol
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Ruby2Shoes
Black Sea Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.11 01:51:00 -
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Its a very interesting topic..nt often discussed on eve-o forums. I read alot about suicide gankers killing haulers.
But freighters?
The answers so far have explained the reasons why and why not.
Very Good Answers.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.12.11 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: konkord
wow I though't it'd be more than that. Well if you've tried and tested that, nice one!!! lol
Yeah when concord show up, you instantly have no cap and have no lock, so the key is to do as much damage in your 20-30 second window.
Piccy
Most BS got 2 volleys off..and then jammed cap nuked and killed.
You can see in the screen shot concord scramming and shooting drones, so the domi trick don't work no more.
Key is alpha damage.
But to reassure the OP, it takes a while to organise and motivate a suicide squad  You got 30mins at least while they scramble to get ships...unless as I said, they are already waiting for you
Change your habits, deviate your routes...dock up and go out for 30mins...throw them off the scent make them bored. If you fly same route...with same cargo...you are so easy to kill
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.12.11 02:10:00 -
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concord most be the dummest bastards in the universe..
if i was them the ships moving though my systems would be perma jammed at gates and stations :S
i mean it most be freaking expensive in insurance for them, and i would at least get ONE agent up and checking the insurance fraud that gankers are making.
and i would disallow them to ever set food in my space again if they did this more then once
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Elmicker
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.12.11 02:13:00 -
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As long as you don't AFK through lowsec, it'll probably be fine .
Freighters arent as juicy targets anymore. Domis arent anywhere near as effective as they used to be, and it's difficult to find something cheap enough that has similar potential. I mean, why bother with a freighter and splitting the loot 30+ ways when you're just about guaranteed 1-2b profit just by sitting outside 4.4 with a scanner and a brutix.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.12.11 02:13:00 -
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Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 11/12/2007 02:17:19
Originally by: Buyerr
and i would disallow them to ever set food in my space again if they did this more then once
I have never set food in concords space. Once I jetted some spice wine to bribe customs, but they still webbed and scrammed me 
Edit..to Elmiker, its not really done for profit, one faction fitted mission runner split between 2 people is far better money. It's done for the lulz and to hurt an npc alt corps logistics, since they escape the war dec.
It's more to do with inflicting damage, opportunism and general yarrage...I mean, I killed many freighters in low sec, but to gank one in high sec..thats a challenge
Laughing
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.12.11 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 11/12/2007 02:17:38
Quoted my own post
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Organized Combat Consortium
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Posted - 2007.12.11 02:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kuzya Morozov on 11/12/2007 02:23:47
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http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/764/nooossssssls7.jpg
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0711/freighter_loot.JPG
in short, no.
edit: already posted :P
Originally by: zeeZ Exus
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