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CCP Redundancy
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Posted - 2007.12.12 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Redundancy on 12/12/2007 10:42:20
We've got some performance improvements that should be going into the first patch for Trinity that hopefully make situations like fleet fights perform better. It's inevitable that there's a few things that need clearing up after a patch as large and complex as this, and we'll continue to look at what we can do to improve performance, but I think that turning shadows and HDR off when you're expecting fleet fights should allow it to perform relatively well.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:10:00 -
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Yeah, that's great.
Can you explain why Eve in full screen HDR everything switched on, both looks and performs worse than Crysis?
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:11:00 -
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I don't know if I should laugh or cry,
It seems it's so much easier to just blame CCP, than blame oneself - that type of mentality breeds people who never evolve, but continually project their own imperfections upon others.
If the game doesn't run well, it's CCP's fault!
Well, this could be a sound statement without hearing the premise, and gathering further data. If this is true, that the new client is so horrible - then why is it other people run it fine (people like me). It seems to me people buy a lot of expensive hardware and do zero maintenance and expect that "since it's expensive, it performs better".
What use is a fast ferrarri car if you're a stupid nitwit who never should've recieved a driver's license? Yet still fools sue Ferrarri because of how "the car accelerated too fast". Typical.
CCP, you have my empathy for having to deal with people. It can't be easy.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Gaven Blands
Yeah, that's great.
Can you explain why Eve in full screen HDR everything switched on, both looks and performs worse than Crysis?
OMFG, you're comparing a single-player game to an MMO. Go hide in a hole NOW.
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
Yeah, that's great.
Can you explain why Eve in full screen HDR everything switched on, both looks and performs worse than Crysis?
cause you got a crap computer or have no idea how to set it up properly? i get 90fps at 2560x1600 with eve premium but only 30fps with crysis at same res.
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Norian Lonark
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:27:00 -
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I have to say I have had the opposite experience.. seems to perform well for me, the only thing that knackers the performance is when I put shadows to high or extreme, but as others have said I don't notice any difference with normal & extreme. With shadows on normal and everything else on including HDR the game runs fine.
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Amon 'Chakai
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Amon ''Chakai on 12/12/2007 11:36:58
Originally by: CCP Redundancy
Edited by: CCP Redundancy on 12/12/2007 10:42:20
We've got some performance improvements that should be going into the first patch for Trinity that hopefully make situations like fleet fights perform better. It's inevitable that there's a few things that need clearing up after a patch as large and complex as this, and we'll continue to look at what we can do to improve performance, but I think that turning shadows and HDR off when you're expecting fleet fights should allow it to perform relatively well.
Relatively well.. We had few fleet fights in last 72h's.. Traffic control still there forcing half of fleet wait and hear others shooting targs on the otherside of gate for minutes when your in traffic jam. But yeah when you have premium content off and you actually load the screen you can actually fight it seems to certain extent better than before trinity.
"It's time to roll the dice.."
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 12/12/2007 11:31:35
Originally by: Riskalot
Edited by: Riskalot on 11/12/2007 23:04:53
oh dude.... you shouldnt run UBER!!! HIGH Settings on ur UBER!!!PC with (one) GT, 4gig and 3.2 cpu 
Blah blah.
Premium graphics runs fine on my machine, and it is a 3.2Ghz P4 (EMT-64 enabled model), 4 gigs of RAM and a X1550. Everything is smooth enough for pew-pew provided HDR is turned off.
Needing the latest machine with dual graphics card and silly things like that is a sign of bad programming. I know, I make resource-hogging software often enough if real-time responsiveness is not an issue.
Edit: classic client seems faster then pre-trinity.
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:32:00 -
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Crysis is a total system killer, worse than oblivion was on its release and only the very best Intel extreme quad cores and 8800 GTX 768mb in SLi can hope to run it full spec. Crytek even admit it might be 12-18 months before the majority of users experience the game to its fullest.
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MolRob
Caldari
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:37:00 -
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Well you have to do something wrong since I got a very similar configuration and it runs the premium pretty well, with HDR on, and shadow, cache, bloom on normal.
Of course if you put everything to max and extreme you may consider buying an UBER PC witch would be a Quad with _two_ 8800 GTs. or soemthing like that
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mrjita2
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:40:00 -
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Any chance we could get a wire frame mode for pvp/fleet?
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Khudo
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:41:00 -
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This thread only prove the fact that there MAY be some performance issue with "good enough" computers.
Ccp will probably, like all aother games company, ask you to fill some pages about your hardware specs and Fps you got.
OR they will tweak the game to automatically send 'em your hardware config + your settings + result (if not already done)
A FPS engine is a very, very, very expansive thing. So, i am not surprised that trinity, while being graphicaly inferior than UT, as worst FPS than the last UT.
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2007.12.12 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: Melor Rend on 12/12/2007 11:46:10
Edited by: Melor Rend on 12/12/2007 11:45:31
Originally by: Taylor
you expect to play a high end graphic content game on high settings, with alot of people....who are you kidding?
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Ohh yeah i can really see how terrible it is to expect a game to actually work when you try to play it! I can really see how this is a terrible and unreasonable thing to ask... I mean the graphics update wasn't actually meant to be used while playing EVE! It's only a proof of concept.. so I agree... it's a laughable demand that the game should actually work!! These damn customers always asking for more!
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No but seriously... I didn't actually expect CCP to fix the old problem of unplayable fleet battles but I also don't think it's such a crazy demand to make... I mean CCP did say that the performance was one of the primary issues they were addressing... only that it seems not to have changed much about the problems that the customers have been having for the last few years. |
Mikel Crenshaw
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.12 12:18:00 -
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Hmm, I've actually found that my performance has increased quite nicely while using the new graphics engine. If you can't play it then turn the settings down or make sure your drivers are up to date. While we should expect the game to work we shouldn't expect that it makes our computer better. If you are running it on high then your performance will not be quite so good as it is on lower settings. This is pretty standard. So try turning down some of the options, if that doesn't work then go back to classic. So instead of complaining about how your uber-PC can't run the game at max graphics swallow some pride and turn them down (my shadows were set too high and I had to turn them down, no shame in that).
If that doesn't solve it then it may be your drivers or your card that are causing problems (and no, despite what you might think making the game fully compatible with every hardware configuration isn't feasible at first, if your hardware is incompatible then it may take a patch or two for things to go smoothly). For every game that your PC works for their is someone out their with a setup just as good that can't play it (for instance I used to be able to play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. but after upgrading my 256mb card to a 512mb card it would stutter and crash after about 15 minutes of play, the game was simply incompatible with my new hardware).
PC hardware is a tricky business, there are a lot of different ways it can go and in the end they have to try and go for the majority. Sometimes this will cause problems, so if after turning your settings down and checking your drivers you still have bad performance there is little else you can do but report it and hope it will be fixed soon (I'm still waiting for that to happen with S.T.A.L.K.E.R.).
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AliceInChains
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Posted - 2007.12.12 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Paulo Damarr
I would really like to know if people who post "I have 8800 and 20GHz CPU and 50MB RAM And Trinity runs crap!!" are either completely lying about their hardware or if they have no clue about how to run a machine and it runs like a slug because its full of spyware and loads of stupid little apps that fill their machine full of useless processes.
Which is it because I can Run 2 clients with normal shadows and the Premium content just fine and I still use a 7 series Nvidia card.
I can do this with vertical sync turned off but I don't like screen tear :(
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flashfreaking
LFC
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.12.12 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Gaven Blands
Yeah, that's great.
Can you explain why Eve in full screen HDR everything switched on, both looks and performs worse than Crysis?
OMFG, you're comparing a single-player game to an MMO. Go hide in a hole NOW.
What he said.
Eve is a bit more system intensive as Crysis, as most stuff in Crysis can pretty much be preloaded during Loading screens, which you don't have in Eve (luckily, imagine fleetfighting then: "Loading, Please Wait." 5 Mins later: "Loading Station Environment, please wait.") So yeah, stop comparing both, thx.
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Jolliejoe
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.12 12:58:00 -
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Yup... lag and problems during any battle has gone drasticly up... Instead of a slideshow, you are now watching a solid frozen screen.. Hey, but we did get some upgraded graphics, given they are 3 year old and no dx10 but still..
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Jolliejoe
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.12 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Redundancy
Edited by: CCP Redundancy on 12/12/2007 10:42:20
We've got some performance improvements that should be going into the first patch for Trinity that hopefully make situations like fleet fights perform better. It's inevitable that there's a few things that need clearing up after a patch as large and complex as this, and we'll continue to look at what we can do to improve performance, but I think that turning shadows and HDR off when you're expecting fleet fights should allow it to perform relatively well.
Let's all just turn everything the card can do off and go to 640x480.. How does that sound?
Yup: I bought a 4 gig, quad core, 8800 gtx system to turn everything off LOL.
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar
Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2007.12.12 13:09:00 -
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how about you****gots that keep going on and on about how well you maintain your computer and polish it and give it bjs actually share some tips on doing so or even links to sites such as "computer software maintenence for ******s"
or would doing that mean you couldn't hate on normal ******* people that know what outside looks like
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Khes
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Posted - 2007.12.12 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Khes on 12/12/2007 13:17:12
Originally by: mrjita2
Any chance we could get a wire frame mode for pvp/fleet?
That is actually not that bad of a suggestion. One key combination to switch to VERY low graphics (like no textures or something) to use when you know you are about to warp in to a large fleet fight. And as soon as your done just switch back to your ordinary settings.
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Krall Junior
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Posted - 2007.12.12 13:17:00 -
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if you check how muc RAM eve is using you'll see it jumpf from around 40 MB (docked) to around 197 MB (in system) and up to 300 (moving through system)
however if you check the total amount of ram you'll see a much higher number that can be explained by "other processes" + "eve". close eve and the amount of ram used is only that om the "other processes", fire eve back up and all is fine untill you played like 20 mins, than your ram starts filling up again
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Jolliejoe
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.12 13:24:00 -
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Actually I run 2 clients (Vista 64-bit). 1 client uses between 500 and 1.5 gig of RAM (that is right) and the 2nd around 700 MB.
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flashfreaking
LFC
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.12.12 13:24:00 -
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Krall, check the Topic: "Is eve using to much Ram?" It's normal, and not an issue
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AK Shaman
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Posted - 2007.12.12 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Redundancy
Edited by: CCP Redundancy on 12/12/2007 10:42:20
We've got some performance improvements that should be going into the first patch for Trinity that hopefully make situations like fleet fights perform better. It's inevitable that there's a few things that need clearing up after a patch as large and complex as this, and we'll continue to look at what we can do to improve performance, but I think that turning shadows and HDR off when you're expecting fleet fights should allow it to perform relatively well.
Ohh , kewl some usefull info, lets wait patch. (tread suspended)
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DJ P
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Posted - 2007.12.12 13:53:00 -
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AK Shaman what kind of CPU you have? You said 3.2ghz but what? Intel P4? Core 2 Duo? Dual Core Pentium? AMD Single Core? Dual Core?
DX9c gaming need more CPU/RAM power than DX8 the game was up to now. Yes yes the GPU does the job but not actualy. CPU/RAM feed the GPU with instructions. So better detail, AA etc are being spoonfed on the GPU by the CPU/RAM. It's how DX9c works.
DX10 is the evolution forward. Where GPU does the job as it should. All ratings and calculations show that to do the same job on DX10 you need up to 20% of the CPU/RAM power. On DX9c the CPU (under XP) power needed is at 70%+ (Same settings, resolution)
And ofc if you have Vista playing DX9c games has more drawbacks (but not DX10 gaming).
Regarding people who said about the systems, yes it's true. Not updated drivers, antivirus, and a hell of other things bring a system to their knees.
Imho the best solution on gaming is to have your OS installation bare skin in one partition with the latest updates and drivers. Use this to play games. Use uninstaller to rip off anything from your system after you uninstall a game.
No antivirus or anything else (don't use browsers, MSN messanger). And have another partition for the generic use. If you buy a virtual machine software to boot the other partion better (not the gaming one).
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.12.12 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Gaven Blands
Yeah, that's great.
Can you explain why Eve in full screen HDR everything switched on, both looks and performs worse than Crysis?
OMFG, you're comparing a single-player game to an MMO. Go hide in a hole NOW.
Instead of being a knob, can you answer why one game looks worse and runs worse, than another game that looks better and runs better?
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.12.12 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Fanjita
Originally by: Gaven Blands
Yeah, that's great.
Can you explain why Eve in full screen HDR everything switched on, both looks and performs worse than Crysis?
cause you got a crap computer or have no idea how to set it up properly? i get 90fps at 2560x1600 with eve premium but only 30fps with crysis at same res.
Maybe Crysis runs crap on your crap 486 because you don't even know how to set up a 386. Stop being a knob.
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Alita Eelai
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Posted - 2007.12.12 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Gaven Blands
Yeah, that's great.
Can you explain why Eve in full screen HDR everything switched on, both looks and performs worse than Crysis?
OMFG, you're comparing a single-player game to an MMO. Go hide in a hole NOW.
Instead of being a knob, can you answer why one game looks worse and runs worse, than another game that looks better and runs better?
different graphic engine? why do you compare apples to peanuts?
and to the OP: 4Gb ram? on what, a winXP?
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Steini OFSI
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.12.12 14:14:00 -
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So far had little fleet experience with premium, and windowed, high bloom, high shadows, around 90 ships same grid it still performed the same as before (but looked prettier ).
Got pretty much the same setup the card is however 8800GTX 762Mb, and I run the game from my boot disk wich is 74 gig Raptor (I wanted the most I could get out of Trinity).
Aaand on a sidenote, with nHancer running over fullscreen I get these results with around 60-90 ish FPS in space
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Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
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Posted - 2007.12.12 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Khes
That is actually not that bad of a suggestion. One key combination to switch to VERY low graphics (like no textures or something) to use when you know you are about to warp in to a large fleet fight. And as soon as your done just switch back to your ordinary settings.
If it is still there in Trinity, simply tick the LOD (Level of Detail) option and zoom the camera right out when warping. Also minimise your overview until the grid is loaded. Once you are loaded open your overview and zoom back in. Standard fleet ops techniques.
Cheers,
Arrs
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