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lendo san
Caldari
G.S.O. Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.11 22:41:00 -
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I was just curious to what is the best way to pay members in a mining corporation? I have a few ideas, but Id prefer to hear the expert or veteran members replies.
Thanks!
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2007.12.11 23:47:00 -
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I am not a ceo or a veteran player. So I will tell you how I get paid and a few other options I have heard about.
As for my pay. We typically have small group strip minning sessions with a few guys in the corp. Typically, since I have chosen to curb my minning barge skills for PvP skills at this point, I do the hauling. I bust me butt pointing and clicking 2-3 hours during the week. I then contract the ore to one of the minners in the group and they transfer it to our producer in the corp. This is private ore that we choose to sell back to the corp and a few days later I will have 8-20 million flashing in my bank.
I do not know how the pay out works, I could be getting low balled or I might me getting more then some think I should since all I am doing is the hauling. Others may say that I should get more since I am having to do a good bit more then the miners are doing.
Last night someone came over corp channel and said they had a massive belt from an exploration site and it had alot of Plag in it. We need that for the corp so a few jumped over and I hauled for about an hour and half till my eyes could hold up no longer. This was a bi..ch of a minning session. For some reason at the exploration site you could not warp to 0 to members of the corp. So every time I jumped into the site I had to crawl 25+ km to one of the cans. I had about 1 mill units of various ore in my hold. What I get paid I don't know and really don't care. Just make the wallet flash and flash pretty.
I am a player, as are the guys I play with, that is pretty casual. I work, pay me something that I could not make by-myself in that same amount of time playing the game in the many other ways it can be played.
As for other ways it can be formatted in whatever system you feel is good for you and will keep the corpmates happy. I have heard of communist based corps, capitalist based, whatever floats your boat...or should I say Whatever Floats Your Corporation.
Keep the workers happy and they will work to their potential. Let them be disgruntled and you will reap little and unefficient work.
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pandymen
Caldari
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.12.11 23:57:00 -
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My corp's been doin mining ops for quite a while. Essentially, all the haulers from the op stick the ore in the corp office in the station. The guy that organizes it all refines it (perfect refine of course) and then makes stuff with the mins. He has a pre-published list of prices anyone can sell him stuff at, and he uses that for payout. He gets the total cost of the mins and distributes it amongst those involved.
Basically, everyone involved sends him a quick evemail saying how long they mined/how much per minute they get or how long they hauled/how big their hold is, and he has it worked out how much that person should get per hour.
It's somewhat complicated, but its a very elegant solution to the issue. It works out fairly for all. Conversely, you could make things simple by simply giving everyone the same amount per hour mined...but then you are cheating the dedicated miners out of some isk...and we all know how stingy miners can be.
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.12 00:06:00 -
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If I mine, haul or defend, equal split per timeframe (usually hour or 30 minute increments.)
If you're not a good miner, you haul. If you can't haul, you tank the rats. If you can't do anything properly, stay home.
I consider "professional" level mining to be Mining 4, Astrogeo 3, mining cruiser 4 and up. Obviously barge miners pull in more, but if they split hairs just remind them that PvPers lose ships defending the corp, you don't see them whining about how the miners are all in cheap little tacklers and aren't shouldering an equal share of the burden.
There has to be some level of goodwill and sharing, if everybody splits hairs about what they contribute it doesn't work.
I can drive a hulk. If I mine with somebody who can haul, I give em 50/50 split. And I demand the same when I haul.
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Pang Grohl
Gallente
Sudo Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.12 01:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Cipher7
If I mine, haul or defend, equal split per timeframe (usually hour or 30 minute increments.)
If you're not a good miner, you haul. If you can't haul, you tank the rats. If you can't do anything properly, stay home.
I consider "professional" level mining to be Mining 4, Astrogeo 3, mining cruiser 4 and up. Obviously barge miners pull in more, but if they split hairs just remind them that PvPers lose ships defending the corp, you don't see them whining about how the miners are all in cheap little tacklers and aren't shouldering an equal share of the burden.
There has to be some level of goodwill and sharing, if everybody splits hairs about what they contribute it doesn't work.
I can drive a hulk. If I mine with somebody who can haul, I give em 50/50 split. And I demand the same when I haul.
When I mine this is how I split the rewards as well. Group ops should be a matter of sharing the burden of a necessary task rather than getting the best individual payout.
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Heten Oviri
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Posted - 2007.12.12 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Heten Oviri on 12/12/2007 02:00:48
One way to do it is split equally. It easy and very straightforward especially with a large group. But then it makes some players feel like they are earning less than if they mine alone. It takes time to get the gang together, plus newbies will want to join in an mine in frigs. There will be players who think this is only fair and then there will be people who will never come to group mining ops again.
Another way would be to haul everyone's ore individually. Say you have a group of 2 hulks, 3 retrievers, and an osprey mining plus 1-2 people don't don't have good mining skills. You can get 1-2 haulers that would pick up ore individually from each ship, buy cans at station and name them after players, haul ore from everyone into their own can. The hauler in the end gets a percentage of everyone's ore. This is more tedious and harder to keep a track of for the hauler at least, but for a small mining party where players are all of different skill levels it would work.
Plus it is a good idea to always donate a portion of the mining profits to the corp so that the players feel their teamwork benefits corp at the same time, that they are giving a portion of income for the good of all members (of course the corp needs to have a plan on what to do with this money).
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Helen Hunts
Gallente
Red Dragon Mining inc
Red Dragon Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:38:00 -
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When we do corp mining ops, everything goes into the corp's minerals hanger. In return, when one of our corpies needs ammmo, weaponry, or even a new ship, there's usually something available for them.
I'm pretty much the in-house industrialist, so I get to keep asking our corpies what kinds of ammo they'll be needing/wanting and trying to keep up a stockpile. (That reminds me...time to put out a call for ammo needs again)
While this arrangement may not be 'fair' for all involved, it works out well enough since most of us know each other from other places. We don't necessarily keep track, but if someone were to get noticed abusing the system, that'd be another matter entirely.
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Zeonos
Amarr
Fairtrade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.12 12:16:00 -
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well i normaly mine and haul "the beuty of two accounts".. and so i get 1+. 1 because im there with a miner, and + because i also haul, its not double work, even if i use two accounts, cause ive already taken time off to do it. but i must say that i use more time on hauling than mining, so it should be equal splitted between all members.
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Dinslan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.12 13:22:00 -
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I don't do much mining for my corp, but the general rule is that people are rewarded for time on the op, regardless of role, whether it be hauling, mining or protection. Sometimes these are weighted based on ship ( Hulks = bigger share, mining share = smaller share ).
The total ore is then either split according to time shares. Usually it is reprocessed by the corp and the shares are split, sometimes it is sold to the corp as minerals and money is shared out based on the corp mineral purchasing rate.
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Tuco Pacifico
Friends Of Derek
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Posted - 2007.12.12 13:34:00 -
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I agree with the people who say "time spent on the mining operation".
Without haulers, miners are crippled. In lowsec you're all crippled without security.
Think of it as Rock-Paper-Scissors, where everyone is equally needed!
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Thumye
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Posted - 2007.12.12 18:42:00 -
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Ive been in a few corps that had different ways to pay out, and the way that I liked the best was to pay based on contribution. In corp mining ops people would get paid out based on the ammount they mine per minute. so they would ask everyone to have a can with one cycle's worth of ore in it to calculate the hourly rate. For security and haulers they would split like 5% (each job) of each miners pay out, I think it was, so when it was a big op then the haulers and security would make a ton of cash. Then the corp would basically buy the ore from people at a decent regional average for the ammount mined.
Then if the corp members wanted to do mining on their own they would have a can in one of the corp hangars that only the CEOs have access to that they would put ore into, and the corp accountant would pay out the same way on the contents of each container weekly.
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Havohej
Minmatar
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.12.12 20:15:00 -
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Alot of good ideas here... I'm going to have to discuss this with my directors and figure out what the most effective method for our indy corp would be.
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards
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Posted - 2007.12.12 22:45:00 -
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Have you considered thinking outside the box?
For example: I'd only mine for good scotch personally.
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Jorek Glayyd
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:03:00 -
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our corp pays out per hour. and of course, the cheaper the ship, the less you get. but most people just donate the isk back to the corp so it's usually not a huge payout. if you mine by yourself, you can sell the ore back to the corp for a smaller payout than if you were to put it on market.
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Vertex Eisenstein
Gallente
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.13 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Vertex Eisenstein on 13/12/2007 12:47:20
In my corp, the corp buys all minerals at cost -10% (10% tax). This is accepted in the form of ice, ore, modules or minerals put in a can and dropped into a secure hangar. Directors with the skills and standing for a perfect refine then process the cans and make the payouts.
The split is calculated on an equal basis for tank/overwatch, haulers and miners and by time spent on the op. To facilitate this we have a web based tool each person on the op logs into and out of to work out the time spent on the op. current mineral prices and mined quantities are also entered and it works out all the payouts automatically.
We allow low SP miners the same share, but if they keep turning up in a frigate for weeks and making no effort to train to be useful then someone would have a word.
Other corps do things differently though. I hear some corps mine to fill contracts with other organisations and pay miners their shares upon completion of those contracts.
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lendo san
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.16 15:11:00 -
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What is everyones opinion of forced monthly donations? That way everyone still puts money into the corp. If there are contracts to me completed you could pay them dividends at the end of the contract. If there arent any contracts they make what they can outside of the corp and out of what they earn they have a monthly donation.
Any opinions 
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Bastards
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Posted - 2007.12.16 16:12:00 -
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While some miners will hate it, the truth is that if you have a corp tax and mission runners in your corp, they are gonna get tired of the miners not contributing much to the corp while getting fat off untaxed ore/mineral sales. Miners tend to be a miserly lot so some arm twisting may be called for on the Scrooges. Let me know if we can help.
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