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Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
Interstellar Vacation Center
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Posted - 2007.12.12 01:54:00 -
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So I read that "Eve-Player-Lawyer-International Treaty-Discussion" about a class action suit on CCP, and I realized that some people don't live in the US, and though they know the lawsuit issue is crazy, the don't know just HOW crazy.
To make a long story short, we had a particularly unsavory fellow at my HOA with some rather illegal habits. On one of his more successful binges, our friend got it in his mind to throw his refrigerator down the stairs of his unit, breaking two steps in the process. A couple of hours late, the HOA repaired the steps to keep anyone from getting hurt.
Our lovely friend decided to sue the association about a month after the fact, claiming that he had hurt his back tripping on one of the broken steps. When speaking with out insurance agent, she informed me that "we KNOW he's lying, and we understand that he broke the step which he claims injured him, however it is costly to pursue this issue into court, and therefore we have paid his claim in the ammount of $50,000 plus medical bills."
There's something seriously twisted of course, not in people wanting free money, but in the people who get it.
There was one guy in Los Angeles who fell through an improperly installed skylight while trying to ROB a home and was paid damages for his injuries.
Not sure what my point is, other than you can't truly blame the small minds drooling over their perceived lottery ticket.
On a side note, the lady who sued McDonnalds won because the coffee was TOO HOT, and McDonnalds had not taken care to assure that the hot beverages they served were safe. They still don't, hence the labels to protect them rather than spend $20 a store to regulate coffee temperatures.
Evilness. Does it only exist in America?
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Viper Intel Squad
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 01:59:00 -
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Problem is the stupid ass general American public.
The commercials for the ambulance chasers, to quote one:
'Get your money, faster!'
YOUR MONEY?
since when?
This is the American mentality, the country is run by jews and lawyers getting rich preying on people that think they are 'due' something.
This, coming from an American.
It disgusts me....
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Loyal Servant
Problem is the stupid ass general American public.
The commercials for the ambulance chasers, to quote one:
'Get your money, faster!'
YOUR MONEY?
since when?
This is the American mentality, the country is run by jews and lawyers getting rich preying on people that think they are 'due' something.
This, coming from an American.
It disgusts me....
You realise that exact same scenario plays out just the same in every country.. Just replace Jews (sometimes..  ) with the local flavor of pennypinchers.. If it seems Americans have it worse then blame the media for airing out all our dirty laundry to anyone with a buck to spend on the ad space.. 
Originally by: David Hackworth
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Jack Freely
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant
This is the American mentality, the country is run by jews and lawyers getting rich preying on people that think they are 'due' something.
This, coming from an American.
It disgusts me....
Nice frame of mind you have
I can't believe the someone hasn't locked this and or erased it from here
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant
Problem is the stupid ass general American public.
The commercials for the ambulance chasers, to quote one:
'Get your money, faster!'
YOUR MONEY?
since when?
This is the American mentality, the country is run by jews and lawyers getting rich preying on people that think they are 'due' something.
This, coming from an American.
It disgusts me....
Yes,but i wouldnt pin stupid on the american public...More like sheep?Yeah sheep...
Oh and the jew comment doesnt make me a happy panda being half jewish myself
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Kritinana
Minmatar
Dark Empire Fleet
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Freely
Originally by: Loyal Servant
This is the American mentality, the country is run by jews and lawyers getting rich preying on people that think they are 'due' something.
This, coming from an American.
It disgusts me....
Nice frame of mind you have
I can't believe the someone hasn't locked this and or erased it from here
No kidding. IBTL
This threads goin nowhere fast.
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:19:00 -
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Don't forget the guy who stepped on a skateboard and fell on his back while attempting to rob a home.
I believe he sued over "restraint of trade".
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Bish Ounen
Gallente
Omni-Core Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:22:00 -
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This is what 50 years of nearly unchecked 1950's and 60's liberalism gets you folks. Greedy people only wanting to get "what's mine". The rules, good taste and any sense of honor be damned.
I may be as ****ed off as anyone else here about all the crap with Trinity (see the link in my sig), but I wouldn't DREAM of a Class Action against CCP over a game patch.
Sadly, there are people who would think of it, and there are probably lawyers looking into the viability of it right now. this is why we need a culture shift in America towards a more traditional culture and more conservative laws.*
*please note, by "liberal" I mean American liberalism, as defined by 60's radicalism and Ted Kennedy, and by "conservative" I mean American conservatism, defined by Ronald Reagan and Rush Limbaugh.
P.S. As an American Conservative, I find the Anti-Semitic crap in the second comment to be vile and unnecessary.
How much would it cost to roll back to RevII CCP?
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant
This is the American mentality, the country is run by jews and lawyers getting rich preying on people that think they are 'due' something.
Yeop it is Jews, they are ALL in control of money.
And, do not forget the Blacks, they are a lazy bunch, who only want to rob you at gunpoint.
Oh, almost forgot them Arabs, they are all terrorists.
Did I live anyone out of your bigotry? Jesus, H Christ, get a hold of yourself.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
This is what 50 years of nearly unchecked 1950's and 60's liberalism gets you folks. Greedy people only wanting to get "what's mine". The rules, good taste and any sense of honor be damned.
I may be as ****ed off as anyone else here about all the crap with Trinity (see the link in my sig), but I wouldn't DREAM of a Class Action against CCP over a game patch.
Sadly, there are people who would think of it, and there are probably lawyers looking into the viability of it right now. this is why we need a culture shift in America towards a more traditional culture and more conservative laws.*
*please note, by "liberal" I mean American liberalism, as defined by 60's radicalism and Ted Kennedy, and by "conservative" I mean American conservatism, defined by Ronald Reagan and Rush Limbaugh.
P.S. As an American Conservative, I find the Anti-Semitic crap in the second comment to be vile and unnecessary.
Although i agree what you just said,prepare for flames and a lock soon man
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Igualmentedos
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant
Problem is the stupid ass general American public.
The commercials for the ambulance chasers, to quote one:
'Get your money, faster!'
YOUR MONEY?
since when?
This is the American mentality, the country is run by jews and lawyers getting rich preying on people that think they are 'due' something.
This, coming from an American.
It disgusts me....
Here's a cool idea Captain America! ******* move if you hate Americans so much. The last thing we need is an ******* like you living here.
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
Evilness. Does it only exist in America?
no.. it and stupidity are rampant everywhere. the only difference is, here in the ole u s of a, we've got a lot more people that have no problem opening their mouth and removing all doubt about it. sad part it, most don't even realize it even when you explain it to them.
God save our country.. save it from ourselves.
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
Divine Assembly of Forgotten Travelers
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:40:00 -
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Officialy IBTL
<<< is jewish and offended, but meh we do love our big sacks of GOLD! :p
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lothros Andastar
<<< is jewish and offended, but meh we do love our big sacks of GOLD! :p
Wait what? Jewish isk sellers?
Originally by: David Hackworth
ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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JamesTalon
Caldari
Electric Fury Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:44:00 -
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The entire law suit thing is ********. Hell, I installed a new video card last night, and the resulting install had me spending 4 more hours trying to fix my computer so it would boot after it was saying it wasn't able to boot and hardware failure. I'm certainly not going to sue ATI over the lost time.
"Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the Last Day." - Robert Jordan |
Lissa Isillia
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
This is what 50 years of nearly unchecked 1950's and 60's liberalism gets you folks. Greedy people only wanting to get "what's mine". The rules, good taste and any sense of honor be damned.
I may be as ****ed off as anyone else here about all the crap with Trinity (see the link in my sig), but I wouldn't DREAM of a Class Action against CCP over a game patch.
Sadly, there are people who would think of it, and there are probably lawyers looking into the viability of it right now. this is why we need a culture shift in America towards a more traditional culture and more conservative laws.*
*please note, by "liberal" I mean American liberalism, as defined by 60's radicalism and Ted Kennedy, and by "conservative" I mean American conservatism, defined by Ronald Reagan and Rush Limbaugh.
P.S. As an American Conservative, I find the Anti-Semitic crap in the second comment to be vile and unnecessary.
Isn't it American Conservatism that loves big business, corporations and milking money out of anything despite any ethical considerations? Invading countries for there crude oil deposits springs to mind.
That said your post is so full of fallacies that I almost choked up a hair ball.
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Ragornok
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Empyre
Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
Evilness. Does it only exist in America?
no.. it and stupidity are rampant everywhere. the only difference is, here in the ole u s of a, we've got a lot more people that have no problem opening their mouth and removing all doubt about it. sad part it, most don't even realize it even when you explain it to them.
God save our country.. save it from ourselves.
That, plus we do have a larger population than most other countries with our level of technology. So, more people does equal more stupid people, even if the percentage of idiots to non-idiots is the same as other places. It's also a lot easier for the stupid people to do things that make them more obvious. Throw in amount of internet we have, and you-tube just does the rest.
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Spacy Tracy
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lissa Isillia
Isn't it American Conservatism that loves big business, corporations and milking money out of anything despite any ethical considerations?
No. You are confusing conservatives with Republicans. Despite what that media at large is feverishly trying to convince you, they are not the same thing.
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Anya Sardukar
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:52:00 -
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Edited by: Anya Sardukar on 12/12/2007 02:56:00
Edited by: Anya Sardukar on 12/12/2007 02:55:09
Quote:
jews
Petitioned for racism. Enjoy your ban! 
Let's be honest here, folks. CCP screwed up, and not all of its customers are going to know how. They will take their computers to computer repair specialists and be charged money to correct CCP's disgusting, blinding incompetence (which is exactly what the boot.ini debacle is). Customers have a right to ask for compensation where a company's ignorance cost them money.
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Chaplain Veritas
Amarr
The Aduro Protocol
The Fifth Race
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant
This is the American mentality, the country is run by jews and lawyers getting rich preying on people that think they are 'due' something.
better then living in a country full of racist, ignorant morons like you.
why have the mods not put a gigantic smackdown on this bigot?
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Spacy Tracy
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Chaplain Veritas
why have the mods not put a gigantic smackdown on this bigot?
Because the word "American" is in the title with a slightly derogatory sounding implication.
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Willim Tell
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:57:00 -
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How in the hell is this thread not locked?
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ChimeraRouge
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.12 02:58:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Loyal Servant
Problem is the stupid ass general American public.
The commercials for the ambulance chasers, to quote one:
'Get your money, faster!'
YOUR MONEY?
since when?
This is the American mentality, the country is run by jews and lawyers getting rich preying on people that think they are 'due' something.
This, coming from an American.
It disgusts me....
This
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Tommy Meow
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Posted - 2007.12.12 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant
....This is the American mentality, the country is run by jews and lawyers getting rich preying on people that think they are 'due' something.
This, coming from an American.
It disgusts me....
Dude, you are a racist, and a bigot, shame on you. You should be banned for this crap.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2007.12.12 03:03:00 -
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It's a horrible problem in America, and we have ambulance chasing trial lawyers like John Edwards getting rich suing doctors. And then your health insurance goes up.
It used to be that you would get ahead by working hard - now you get ahead by playing the lottery or suing someone for something that was your own fault.
Quote:
There was one guy in Los Angeles who fell through an improperly installed skylight while trying to ROB a home and was paid damages for his injuries.
Seriously, people like that should be shot.
Oh and to the guy complaining about the jews - they are a subset of the population that *actually* gets out there and works.
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Demarcus
Killjoy.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 03:25:00 -
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Edited by: Demarcus on 12/12/2007 03:26:12
Originally by: Tommy Meow
Originally by: Loyal Servant
....This is the American mentality, the country is run by jews and lawyers getting rich preying on people that think they are 'due' something.
This, coming from an American.
It disgusts me....
Dude, you are a racist, and a bigot, shame on you. You should be banned for this crap.
The guy is obviously an a$$hat, but besides implying some thing racist he didn't really say anything. Stereotypes wouldn't exist if they weren't true on some level.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.12 03:26:00 -
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Hi.
I'm American.
I am not stupid.
American ≠ stupid.
Please get this through your heads.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.12.12 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus
The guy is obviously an asshat, but besides implying some thing racist he didn't really say anything. Stereotypes wouldn't exist if they weren't true on some level.
^ this.
I hate people going all politically-correct on everybody's ass the split second they detect the words that might be used offensively by somebody (even if in this particular case they weren't) just as much as I hate those that intentionally use them excessively.
Like somebody said somewhere, I really can't remember where, you can call somebody a racist for calling "the blacks" lazy, but you are one hell of an idiot to call somebody a racist because he says somebody is lazy if that person happends to be black (and is actually lazy).
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.12 03:35:00 -
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I am just sick of people constantly ragging on Americans... it's getting old. About as original as a "Your Momma" joke now.
Not to say some of us don't deserve the good tongue lashing, but sheesh broad factless labels ftw!
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xJohnnyDx
The Aduro Protocol
The Fifth Race
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Posted - 2007.12.12 03:35:00 -
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Anyone that thinks people are so radically different from country to country, or think things like "I'm glad that doesn't happen in my country" are just plain wrong. It's not an America problem, it's a human race problem.
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Xaen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.12 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
This is what 50 years of nearly unchecked 1950's and 60's liberalism gets you folks. Greedy people only wanting to get "what's mine". The rules, good taste and any sense of honor be damned.
I may be as ****ed off as anyone else here about all the crap with Trinity (see the link in my sig), but I wouldn't DREAM of a Class Action against CCP over a game patch.
Sadly, there are people who would think of it, and there are probably lawyers looking into the viability of it right now. this is why we need a culture shift in America towards a more traditional culture and more conservative laws.*
*please note, by "liberal" I mean American liberalism, as defined by 60's radicalism and Ted Kennedy, and by "conservative" I mean American conservatism, defined by Ronald Reagan and Rush Limbaugh.
P.S. As an American Conservative, I find the Anti-Semitic crap in the second comment to be vile and unnecessary.
Being a "conservative" or a "liberal" only serves to control the masses by polarizing them against each other and making it impossible for the people as a whole to gain a majority. Don't be either. Think for yourself.
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.12.12 03:38:00 -
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I would argue that what he said is not racist, even reputable legal oriented websites document the "Jewish law firms" here is an example.
His post might have been crude and bad taste but it wasn't racist.
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2007.12.12 03:41:00 -
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The lady that sued mcdonalds also put the cup between her legs in the seat, and spilled it on herself. :P too bad humans stopped going by natural selection long ago would have solved many of the worlds ills.
The biggest problem with amrican law in my opinion, is when in big cases with a lot of cash involved the plaintiff can poll areas, focus groups and such, and set the trial in any area where they have the best odds of winning and winning big.
I think an independent review court should review cases and set them in the most neutral area possible with both sides submitting places to have the trial as well as the court submitting their own if they cant agree on one of the submitted ones.
Now granted one could argue well the big companies that are being sued have ton of resources and the best lawyers money can buy, but still tons of cash spent to stack a jury in your favor for either side is kind of silly, especially in law suits where the jury not only decides guilty or not guilty but also decides the reward to be granted totally at their own discresion.
And add to this fact when a big company loses a law suit they don't end up paying but customers pay more because they are 90% likely to pass any losses down to the consumers, so one or a handful of people win the majority lose.
american law needs reform bad trial lawyers are a plague on society often more out to fatten their pockets rather than to really protect the consumer. Tho some cases are legitimate some are just plain silly.
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Tommy Meow
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Posted - 2007.12.12 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus
Originally by: Tommy Meow
Originally by: Loyal Servant
....This is the American mentality, the country is run by jews and lawyers getting rich preying on people that think they are 'due' something.
This, coming from an American.
It disgusts me....
Dude, you are a racist, and a bigot, shame on you. You should be banned for this crap.
The guy is obviously an a$$hat, but besides implying some thing racist he didn't really say anything. Stereotypes wouldn't exist if they weren't true on some level.
Naww, guy is ****er, I agree. But, what using racial/national stereotypes, especially incorrect ones, and especially ones with such longevity like "All Jews are in together to control the money supply" or "All Lawyers are Jews," or "All Jews are running a country," and implying that they control the society in that way - are called HATE MONGERING in our times.
It all starts small, it starts with an innocuous and seemingly "mistaken" or misinterpreted" statements, when there is a deep-seeded problem with that person's perception of the world in the first place. It grows like cancer, it is passed on to the children, who are TAUGHT to think that way, etc, etc, etc. That is why what he said was inexcusable.
It has nothing to do with being politically correct. Especially if he was talking about the Merchant Of Venice, but, since he was obviously not referring to a literary masterpiece, but was making an assertion about a huge segment of population, and obviously exercising whatever nationalistic or racial prejudices he was raised with, there is no excuse, there is no PC, this is plain HATE MONGERING and needs to be punished.
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Von Ulrich
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Posted - 2007.12.12 03:51:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
I would argue that what he said is not racist, even reputable legal oriented websites document the "Jewish law firms" here is an example.
His post might have been crude and bad taste but it wasn't racist.
It is racist, and stupid. I'm in law school and there isn't some vast Jewish conspiracy controlling the US legal system.
Now, for the point about stupid lawsuits, it does stem from liberal ideas of collective property and groups. Conservative legal thinkers tend to hold older ideas in more esteem, such as one of the most basic and fundamental, personal property rights. Liberal views hold this less important and collective property is good. So, what occurs in liberal northern states is events like a robber being able to sue for injuries while on another's property, since in liberal areas the lines between personal and private ownership get blurred. Liberal theorists pursue a collective view of ownership and property rights, thus would tend to say that the homeowner owes a duty to protect any individual on their property regardless of there reason for being there. This may sound a bit absurd, and granted it is, but when the lines of who owns what get blurred this can occur.
In the south, where more traditional views dominate the political and legal structure, you get shot dead if you try and rob another's home. In the south, the idea of personal property wins out of communal property. The individual and their holdings is superior and the good that produces for the whole is the driving force.
Now, the real problem that is that the corps. are taking liberals bad idea and making vast amounts of money on the backs of the poor and middle class. Today, in areas with fewer property rights, large development groups will go in, get a city to condemn an area, thus reclaiming it from the middle class citing some need for economic prosperity, turn the lands over to the rich developers, kick out the workers and then shopping centers get built. The liberal idea of property for the communal good is being used for corp. greed. Thus, the lesson to be learned is personal property rights are very important and a cornerstone of a strong legal system.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Viper Intel Squad
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 03:58:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Von Ulrich
It is racist, and stupid.
Jews are not a 'race', asshats.
It is an ethnic group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew
Get over yourselves, idiots.
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David H'Levi
Invicta.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:05:00 -
[37]
Can someone lock this stupid thread already, or do we really need another two pages for people to hash out why they hate Jews and Americans some more?
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James Swindle
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:07:00 -
[38]
Say what you want, you're still a prejudiced f*ckwit.
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Mr Hoodie
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:07:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Von Ulrich
In the south, where more traditional views dominate the political and legal structure, you get shot dead if you try and rob another's home.
So murdering over theft is an acceptable practice? Hell, better not complain when some country chops off a hand for committing theft.
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d1v1n1ty
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:08:00 -
[40]
Originally by: xJohnnyDx
Anyone that thinks people are so radically different from country to country, or think things like "I'm glad that doesn't happen in my country" are just plain wrong. It's not an America problem, it's a human race problem.
Cheers at this.
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d1v1n1ty
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:11:00 -
[41]
Edited by: d1v1n1ty on 12/12/2007 04:13:17
Originally by: Mr Hoodie
Originally by: Von Ulrich
In the south, where more traditional views dominate the political and legal structure, you get shot dead if you try and rob another's home.
So murdering over theft is an acceptable practice? Hell, better not complain when some country chops off a hand for committing theft.
EDIT:...of topic.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:19:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Skraeling Shortbus on 12/12/2007 04:20:52
If someone came into my home with the possible intention of robbing and or hurting my family sure i'd shoot em... twice.
If no firearm is handy, id break out the lovely Bokken i have sitting next to my bed and use either as the situation dictates.
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Foxfire Inferno
Gallente
Decendent Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:20:00 -
[43]
Originally by: d1v1n1ty
Originally by: xJohnnyDx
Anyone that thinks people are so radically different from country to country, or think things like "I'm glad that doesn't happen in my country" are just plain wrong. It's not an America problem, it's a human race problem.
Cheers at this.
*applauds*
Finally. Someone with some common sense.
It's the same all over the world people. All countries have their fair share of issues, idiots, bad politics, and other crap. America just has too much media weight that shows all of our problems all over the world, but if all the other countries on the planet has just as much weight, people would finally realize that it's the entire human race all around the world that's f'ed up.
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:21:00 -
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Edited by: Empyre on 12/12/2007 04:22:50
Originally by: Spacy Tracy
Originally by: Lissa Isillia
Isn't it American Conservatism that loves big business, corporations and milking money out of anything despite any ethical considerations?
No. You are confusing conservatives with Republicans. Despite what that media at large is feverishly trying to convince you, they are not the same thing.
actually conservatism is a republican ideal. this crazy neo-conservative hijack of the white house we have right now is the product of a festering boil a dormant american public allowed to latch on to the republican party several decades ago. they've come a long way, were given the controls of a country responding (like we always do) erratically in a moment of emotional response and have done a ton of damage.
google or youtube ron paul. he's what a republican should be and is meant to be. the kind of republican people like lincoln was. (edit: were? was? wtf does that not look right?)
keep in mind, there's still a good 1/4 of our country that truly believes bush is ordained by God to lead them in a cleansing of evil in the middle east. this does NOT represent the majority by any poll, any more.. and we hope to get rid of this disease soon and be back on our feet ****ing people off the way we always did.
vote ron paul.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:23:00 -
[45]
guys, youve problems ...
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Viper Intel Squad
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:23:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Empyre
Originally by: Spacy Tracy
Originally by: Lissa Isillia
Isn't it American Conservatism that loves big business, corporations and milking money out of anything despite any ethical considerations?
No. You are confusing conservatives with Republicans. Despite what that media at large is feverishly trying to convince you, they are not the same thing.
actually conservatism is a republican ideal. this crazy neo-conservative hijack of the white house we have right now is the product of a festering boil a dormant american public allowed to latch on to the republican party several decades ago. they've come a long way, were given the controls of a country responding (like we always do) erratically in a moment of emotional response and have done a ton of damage.
google or youtube ron paul. he's what a republican should be and is meant to be. the kind of republican people like lincoln was.
keep in mind, there's still a good 1/4 of our country that truly believes bush is ordained by God to lead them in a cleansing of evil in the middle east. this does NOT represent the majority by any poll, any more.. and we hope to get rid of this disease soon and be back on our feet ****ing people off the way we always did.
vote ron paul.
Oh yes.. I agree.
Except for your endorsement of Ron Paul.
I think he is a step in the right direction but I think it is really time for a democrat.
I just hope it's one that fixes the sue happy system.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:24:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Foxfire Inferno
Originally by: d1v1n1ty
Originally by: xJohnnyDx
Anyone that thinks people are so radically different from country to country, or think things like "I'm glad that doesn't happen in my country" are just plain wrong. It's not an America problem, it's a human race problem.
Cheers at this.
*applauds*
Finally. Someone with some common sense.
It's the same all over the world people. All countries have their fair share of issues, idiots, bad politics, and other crap. America just has too much media weight that shows all of our problems all over the world, but if all the other countries on the planet has just as much weight, people would finally realize that it's the entire human race all around the world that's f'ed up.
This. I'm finding being unbiased in this world is becoming very rare...
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:25:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Loyal Servant
Originally by: Von Ulrich
It is racist, and stupid.
Jews are not a 'race', asshats.
It is an ethnic group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew
Get over yourselves, idiots.
If you are going to quote a source to give some kind of credence to your asshat notions of logic please dont use wikipedia. It is uniformly scorned and scoffed at by any discerning intellectual. In saying that, Im probably going to go out on a limb here and say that those calling for a ban of this comment on the basis of racism are just as bad.
Please dont pull the anti-Semite card here. Ive heard plenty of people beating up the Irish in this forum and no one says boo. If you are offended by his comments ignore, defeat or rebutt them, seriously, its not even going to be a challenge tbh- the guy is clearly a moron. Im not saying that he is correct, but I am saying is what he has said is not in particularly anti semitic. Comments like this shouldnt be snuffed out- they should be exposed for their sheer idiocy.
Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place?
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Of The Rocks Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:26:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Oftherocks on 12/12/2007 04:26:52
Originally by: Loyal Servant
Originally by: Von Ulrich
It is racist, and stupid.
Jews are not a 'race', asshats.
It is an ethnic group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew
Get over yourselves, idiots.
Congratulations, you may be the most ******** person to ever post on these forums! Nice job bigot.
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:27:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
I would argue that what he said is not racist, even reputable legal oriented websites document the "Jewish law firms" here is an example.
His post might have been crude and bad taste but it wasn't racist.
Didnt see your post before replying- but you are on the money with your comment...
no jewish pun intended :)
Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place?
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Viper Intel Squad
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:30:00 -
[51]
Hey, I'm popular!
It went from 'Oh, your a racist' to... 'oh your just an idiot'
I do not disagree.
since you cannot call me a racist, because I said nothing racist you just resort to a generic 'moron' instead.
Looks like a weak mind trying to express itself forcefully.
Stay on topic and stop derailing the thread.
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Ed Anger
Weekly World News
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:31:00 -
[52]
Originally by: xJohnnyDx
Anyone that thinks people are so radically different from country to country, or think things like "I'm glad that doesn't happen in my country" are just plain wrong. It's not an America problem, it's a human race problem.
this. people are crazy everywhere. the US has it's positives and negatives from it's litigation culture, pointing out extreme examples of anything only highlight how wacked people can be, not the norms of each culture.
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:34:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Loyal Servant
Oh yes.. I agree.
Except for your endorsement of Ron Paul.
I think he is a step in the right direction but I think it is really time for a democrat.
I just hope it's one that fixes the sue happy system.
democrats? hahahahhahhah. oh i fell for that one last year, too. then pelosi, like everyone else that goes behind closed doors with bush, buckled and gave him everything he wanted, and more. and she continues to do so. it was her personal request to block kucinich from bringing cheneys impeachment motion up, something he could do only once with this privelage. it was only by luck of the republicans, oddly enough, that the measure passed.. which was then deferred by the democrats to a judiciary committee so they wouldn't have to deal with it for a while.
the democrats have failed, kucinich is the only one with any sense left. i changed my affiliation to republican a couple weeks ago soley to vote for ron paul in the primaries. watching the dems try to stifle kucinich was the last straw for me.
ron paul is the ONLY candidate that says bring the troops home, rebuild here, cut government and give US our federal taxes and start working on foreign TRADE instead of foreign RAIDS.
don't believe the hype.. research it on your own. his voting record is consistent with his message and his message is simple, follow the constitution. it has always gotten us out of messes before and it can get us out of this one before it ruins us completely. (hi canada! hows our dollar? we miss it.)
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Viper Intel Squad
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:35:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Ed Anger
Originally by: xJohnnyDx
Anyone that thinks people are so radically different from country to country, or think things like "I'm glad that doesn't happen in my country" are just plain wrong. It's not an America problem, it's a human race problem.
this. people are crazy everywhere. the US has it's positives and negatives from it's litigation culture, pointing out extreme examples of anything only highlight how wacked people can be, not the norms of each culture.
Hold on now...
I cannot even get out of my house before I see ads to sue one another.
The TV, the phone book, the newspaper...
Is that 'normal' to prey on people?
What is apparently normal is that the lawyers have a free pass to insight people to sue one another for every little mishap.
Who dares dispute this?
CCP screws up their installer, and LITERALLY 10 minutes after posting there was a problem the sue threads appear on the forums.
This is how things work here, in the good ol' USA.
SUE SUE SUE...
It is disgusting.
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Ed Anger
Weekly World News
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:36:00 -
[55]
oh, and IBTL
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Ed Anger
Weekly World News
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:39:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Loyal Servant
Hold on now...
I cannot even get out of my house before I see ads to sue one another.
The TV, the phone book, the newspaper...
Is that 'normal' to prey on people?
have you lived anywhere else? is it normal for people to prey on people? yes. it make not take the same form everywhere, but it's there. welcome to humanity.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Viper Intel Squad
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:43:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Empyre
democrats? hahahahhahhah. oh i fell for that one last year, too. then pelosi, like everyone else that goes behind closed doors with bush, buckled and gave him everything he wanted, and more. and she continues to do so. it was her personal request to block kucinich from bringing cheneys impeachment motion up, something he could do only once with this privelage. it was only by luck of the republicans, oddly enough, that the measure passed.. which was then deferred by the democrats to a judiciary committee so they wouldn't have to deal with it for a while.
the democrats have failed, kucinich is the only one with any sense left. i changed my affiliation to republican a couple weeks ago soley to vote for ron paul in the primaries. watching the dems try to stifle kucinich was the last straw for me.
ron paul is the ONLY candidate that says bring the troops home, rebuild here, cut government and give US our federal taxes and start working on foreign TRADE instead of foreign RAIDS.
don't believe the hype.. research it on your own. his voting record is consistent with his message and his message is simple, follow the constitution. it has always gotten us out of messes before and it can get us out of this one before it ruins us completely. (hi canada! hows our dollar? we miss it.)
I have not researched it extensively.
I go to a local coffee shop and I saw Ron Paul literature on the counter and I read that, but TBH that is as far as I have gone.
I do not believe in this era of American imperialism we live in.
TBH, we have more pressing domestic issues than torturing people and abducting citizens of other countries to practice waterboarding technique just so some lawyer can get grilled by a committee and lie his way out of it.
What is the common thread? Another lawyer.
Can you sue that guy? go ask the lawyer...
Can you torture that guy? go ask the lawyer...
Pfft.
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ISD Santiago Cortes
Caldari
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:48:00 -
[58]
*Cleaned and moved to OOPE*
The religious generalisations, usage of stereotypes, flaming and political discussion stops now.
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:51:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Empyre on 12/12/2007 04:53:28
edit: nm. guess the truth just hurts too bad. and i forgot about that big black censor machine in the sky..
/me ducks.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:52:00 -
[60]
Originally by: ISD Santiago Cortes
*Cleaned and moved to OOPE*
The religious generalisations, usage of stereotypes, flaming and political discussion stops now.
So... thread closed then?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:53:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Loyal Servant
This is how things work here, in the good ol' USA.
SUE SUE SUE...
It is disgusting.
Yup, that's how it is here... forget what the right thing to do is, you gotta cover your own ass.
I'm a trained first responder, but if I'm off duty and I see a car accident on the side of the road with people hurt am I going to stop? Nope, I'm going to keep driving... if I stop to help and someone dies I'm going to get sued. What I will do is find a payphone as fast as possible and call 911, that way I remain anonymous. If i use my cell phone and call and don't stop and someone dies... hey, I get sued for not stopping
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Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
Interstellar Vacation Center
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Posted - 2007.12.12 05:01:00 -
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Not "general discussion" enough? Why not move all those other law suit threads out of GD too then? I'm not upset you moved my post, rather I was upset before I even posted that all the legal discussion in GD wasn't moved immediately.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
Not "general discussion" enough? Why not move all those other law suit threads out of GD too then? I'm not upset you moved my post, rather I was upset before I even posted that all the legal discussion in GD wasn't moved immediately.
Thats because the mods usually don't act on something until someone complains about it, then step in and enforce the rules to save face. Look at the politics explosion in OOPE; all it will take is one whiny little bugger to get half of OOPE banned.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Viper Intel Squad
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Posted - 2007.12.12 05:06:00 -
[64]
Aww I was enjoying being flamed.
It doesn't change the fact that the whiners here are probably the ones that are threatening to sue.
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.12 05:25:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Ulstan
It's a horrible problem in America, and we have ambulance chasing trial lawyers like John Edwards getting rich suing doctors. And then your health insurance goes up.
It used to be that you would get ahead by working hard - now you get ahead by playing the lottery or suing someone for something that was your own fault.
Quote:
There was one guy in Los Angeles who fell through an improperly installed skylight while trying to ROB a home and was paid damages for his injuries.
Seriously, people like that should be shot.
Oh and to the guy complaining about the jews - they are a subset of the population that *actually* gets out there and works.
the impact of lawsuits on the price of insurance and heatlhcare in general is astronomically small in relation to the size of the us medical industry. Its even possible that medical related lawsuits keep costs down by weeding out poor doctors and keeping the good ones on their toes. If you want to really know why medical care is so expensive take a look at your medical industry lobbyists.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 05:29:00 -
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I've been told by many people that an active court system ins the best indicator of liberty, and its telling of modern attitudes to democracy that so many people want to fix the legal system. An active and functioning legal system is more important to democracy and liberty than 'electing' your leaders.
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Loyal Servant
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Posted - 2007.12.12 05:55:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Graalum
I've been told by many people that an active court system ins the best indicator of liberty, and its telling of modern attitudes to democracy that so many people want to fix the legal system. An active and functioning legal system is more important to democracy and liberty than 'electing' your leaders.
I have no argument for this, because it seems logical.
My argument is that the system is being abused heavily.
It's like the guy that is a first responder previously posted.... seeing someone in a car accident injured, and stopping to help that person is the right thing to do, and the human thing to do.
But, if that person dies or is further injured your liability is insurmountable.
You can lose your entire life trying to help someone.
Is it worth committing financial suicide to help a perfect stranger when he/she or his family may sue you if they have a chance?
Thing is, 50 years ago... or at least 2 generations ago if you did NOT stop to help someone you were committing moral suicide.
The risks of stopping your car and getting sued when things do not go as people want them to go are simply too great.
I will not stop for anyone, and I do not expect anyone to stop for me.
The problem with this is that it is a downward spiral and I understand that it takes ordinary people to stop this, but I cannot make the choice for my family as well.
I stop for that stranger and get sued, it may as well be a death sentence.
My house, family, it can all go away because a perfect stranger wants to get even with someone because their family member was hurt/died, and because some lawyer said they would get something out of me to 'ease their pain'
Biggest crock of ----.
I blame the lawyers for constantly drilling it into peoples heads.
They claim big insurance is the problem, yet my dealings with 'big insurance' were not bad.
My wife was in a car accident and 'big insurance' cut a check for the car, which was totalled.
There were minor injuries and the other person involved in the accident and CAUSED IT started to play the role of the injured person just before the police arrived, and good thing that some random passers by told the cop that this other person was acting and that only 5 minutes before the person was walking around talking on a cellphone laughing and joking with whomever and did not seem to care otherwise - until the person she was talking to reminded her that she could 'get more money' obviously by playing injured so she returned to the car and played the 'my neck hurts' card.
Why? because we see it in ads for lawyers on TV.
Big insurance for the other person paid for our car, fair market value.... asked us if we had medical expenses and we went on our separate ways.
Meanwhile, the person that caused the accident is trying to bleed our insurance company dry.
Justice, the American way.
AFAIK, it's called insurance fraud but all you need apparently is a doctor that says its 'soft tissue damage' and your lawsuit has a rubber stamped seal of approval.
Nice, just nice.
And we all wonder why things are so expensive?
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Eye of God
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Posted - 2007.12.12 07:29:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 12/12/2007 07:31:51
No, there is a singular problem unique to the USA in regards to the justice system, and that is contingency fee lawsuits, that is a lawyer gets paid a percentage of lawsuit winnings. It drives most of the silly lawsuits (plus a glut of lawyers graduating from law schools with no jobs). There are many, many lawyers as a percentage of lawyers that have never seen the inside of a courtroom during their professional career.
It will not change either. It used to be a good thing, until laws, judges and juries allowed anybody to be sued out of class warfare ("the rich guy or rich corporation has money, doesn't matter if they lose"). It won't change because they are too many lawmakers that used to be lawyers. And lawyers make up one of the biggest political campaign donor groups in the US. Tort reform is always dead on arrival whenver such legislation is proposed. And the contingency fee system easts into healthcare costs.
I was involved in an accident May 30th of this year that was totally someone else's fault, and I still have not healed. I broke many ribs, dislocated a knee any my dashboard wrapped around it and the pain was incredible, and an EKG of my back shows I could run a power plant from my left side with the electrical activity there. Dead to rights, I could sue the guy and get tens of thousands of dollars just for my pain, (medical bills paid for by mandatory insurance), but I am not going to. I'll heal and the guy doesn't have the money and I would only be hurting his family which doesn't have it either. Even with that said, I could still win a judgement on him. And, I wouldn't even have to look for a lawyer. Any lawyer I would call, would take the case if they had the time because to them, its free money for the contingency fee.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 16:21:00 -
[69]
These lawsuits are a hindrance to Darwin.
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.12.12 16:40:00 -
[70]
Edited by: DarkMatter on 12/12/2007 16:40:50
We simply need to execute more ppl in this country...
Starting with any lawyer who tries to bring one of these dumbassed cases to court...
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente
Shadow Legion Covenant
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.12 16:54:00 -
[71]
i would laugh my arse off, if some of the stunts the yankies pull off over there, would be tried here in spain.
why can a man buy one of those big mobile homes, sue and WIN the company because he went to the WC while driving, and no1 told him he could CRASH (which is what happened) if he did so?
if that guy tried the same here in spain, in first place he would need like a dozen of years to even get to court, it would cost HIM a fortune and instead of winning, he would be the laughter of all TV channels for ages.
seriously, i don't wonder anymore why every1 and his cat has a GUN in the states... if some a$$hole like that driver comes to my company to complain about something so stupid... i would want to shoot him too.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 17:04:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Kayna Eelai
i would laugh my arse off, if some of the stunts the yankies pull off over there, would be tried here in spain.
why can a man buy one of those big mobile homes, sue and WIN the company because he went to the WC while driving, and no1 told him he could CRASH (which is what happened) if he did so?
if that guy tried the same here in spain, in first place he would need like a dozen of years to even get to court, it would cost HIM a fortune and instead of winning, he would be the laughter of all TV channels for ages.
seriously, i don't wonder anymore why every1 and his cat has a GUN in the states... if some a$$hole like that driver comes to my company to complain about something so stupid... i would want to shoot him too.
That one is an urban legend. Version I heard goes like this:
A lady was looking at renting a RV and was talking to the salesman about the package of a particular RV. He notably pointed out the cruise control and told her the RV pratically drives itself.
So she rents it, gathers her children, and sets out on her trip.
While driving on the freeway she realizes the baby needs a diaper change so she sets the cruise control and gets up to change the diaper and make sandwiches for the children. The RV managed to go straight for about 2 miles before flying off the road and crashing.
The lady in turn sued the RV place for false advertisement and won.
There are alot of lawsuits out there that arre actually fake and just sent around in chainmails. Always check to see if theres a location or or name where you can check sources.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente
Shadow Legion Covenant
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.12 17:31:00 -
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this extended version you are telling is indeed FAKE. but the lawsuit is real and was much simplier than all that story.
just think about it: most if not ALL urban legends have a real story behind.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 17:46:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Kayna Eelai
this extended version you are telling is indeed FAKE. but the lawsuit is real and was much simplier than all that story.
just think about it: most if not ALL urban legends have a real story behind.
Theres my proof. Now show me yours.
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Graalum
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Posted - 2007.12.12 18:38:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 12/12/2007 08:03:49
It will not change either. It used to be a good thing, until laws, judges and juries allowed anybody to be sued out of class warfare ("the rich guy or rich corporation has money, doesn't matter if they lose").
If class warfare is being waged by anyone its being done quietly and being done from above. Just because you here people complaining about getting the shaft in the economic system, doesn't mean they are waging it or winning it. Considering the current trends in income and wealth in the us, its very tough to say that the poor or middle class are waging any sort of class warfare, other that a half-hearted and failing defense thats turned into a rout.
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It won't change because they are too many lawmakers that used to be lawyers. And lawyers make up one of the biggest political campaign donor groups in the US. Tort reform is always dead on arrival whenever such legislation is proposed. And the contingency fee system easts into health care costs by driving up the malpractice insurance fees for each doctor.
You would by surprised how tiny of an effect tort has on medical costs. Keep reading.
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As I was web searching for the trial lawyers group name, I learned that trial lawyers make $40 bil in revenue a year, compared to $19 bil for Haliburton!
by comparison, medical care is something like 12% of GDP or about 1.5 trillion dollars annually. Assuming that all that cost is placed by the consumer and all that legal activity is directly related to medical malpractice, medical malpractice lawsuits account for less than 3% of medical fees. Realistically, that means that tort has about a 1% increase on the effect of healthcare in the united states, at the most, and even that is giving your statement alot of benefit of the doubt.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 18:38:00 -
[76]
Originally by: DarkMatter
Edited by: DarkMatter on 12/12/2007 16:40:50
We simply need to execute more ppl in this country...
Starting with any lawyer who tries to bring one of these dumbassed cases to court...
You should like you would be a good fit with a 3rd world banana republic. Please go find one.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.12.12 18:59:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Graalum
Originally by: DarkMatter
Edited by: DarkMatter on 12/12/2007 16:40:50
We simply need to execute more ppl in this country...
Starting with any lawyer who tries to bring one of these dumbassed cases to court...
You should like you would be a good fit with a 3rd world banana republic. Please go find one.
His idea of freedom is for him to have the freedom to do whatever he wants, not for everyone to have the freedom to do whatever they want. In short, he's a selfish, narrow-minded American; quite normal by todays standards in that nation.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Graalum
Originally by: DarkMatter
Edited by: DarkMatter on 12/12/2007 16:40:50
We simply need to execute more ppl in this country...
Starting with any lawyer who tries to bring one of these dumbassed cases to court...
You should like you would be a good fit with a 3rd world banana republic. Please go find one.
His idea of freedom is for him to have the freedom to do whatever he wants, not for everyone to have the freedom to do whatever they want. In short, he's a selfish, narrow-minded American; quite normal by todays standards in that nation.
Beats being the alternative up north
Originally by: Vladimir Ilych
Stupidity is universal.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.12 19:24:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Battleclash
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Graalum
Originally by: DarkMatter
Edited by: DarkMatter on 12/12/2007 16:40:50
We simply need to execute more ppl in this country...
Starting with any lawyer who tries to bring one of these dumbassed cases to court...
You should like you would be a good fit with a 3rd world banana republic. Please go find one.
His idea of freedom is for him to have the freedom to do whatever he wants, not for everyone to have the freedom to do whatever they want. In short, he's a selfish, narrow-minded American; quite normal by todays standards in that nation.
Beats being the alternative up north
If I am reading this right, then you should note that Europe, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa are in the same boat as Canada
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Posted - 2007.12.12 19:31:00 -
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Well obviously there's talks of lawsuits due the to severity of the problem. It's not like you installed the upgrade and it deleted your background. It deleted vital system files. Not all computer users are knowledgable enough to fix this. So they take it to a store and tell them they installed software and their computer crashed. So the people that fix it don't know the boot.ini file it missing so they might do something more drastic.
The upgrade basically turned Eve into malicious software. Last I checked that's an offense, Eve was basically a virus. So to those that think this is so frivolous needs to take another look at the situation.
To say they have no case because somehow you think deletion of system files is trivial, is a bit odd to tell you the truth. It's up to the courts to decide based on the EULA, and international law if the case will hold up in court.
This is CCP's fault not the user's fault. It's an epic failure of process and testing that resulted in hardships for the user of their product.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 19:33:00 -
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The lady who put her dog in the microwave wins for funniest court case!
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Posted - 2007.12.12 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Graalum
You would by surprised how tiny of an effect tort has on medical costs. Keep reading.
If you were reading, I was talking about malpractice premiums. Malpractice premiums as a percentage are increasing twice that of health care spending. And when you see a general practitioner, you could well be paying $10 for his costs for medical malpractice liability insurance. Next year, malpractice premiums will go up again about 15-20%. 15% of doctors are sued every year for malpractice, and 30% of the plantiffs win. And the doctors themselves incur their own personal cost for each case, which of course, they pass down. Malpractice insurers also have special rates for areas where juries are especially happy to side with any plaintiff and where states allow large and unreasonable awards, and as a result, many doctors move away from regions like Philadelphia making those seeking care more difficult.
If you think it has no effect, maybe you could come to Pennsylvania. The OBGYN practices almost left the state (not some, all) because there were no malpractice insurer that would offer insurance to them. Two insurers went bankrupt from malpractice suits and the others dropped coverage completely. The state had to rewrite laws to expand their own insurance programs to include coverage for OBGYN doctors, but doctors still leave Pennsylvania for friendlier states, because the state will not quite take over the role an insurer. LLoyd's of London will not even do business in the medical field in Pennsylvania.
The effect on total cost may have a small impact, but that's like saying energy cost increases are insignificant because the cost of living is steady. As long nothing significant is done in tort reform nationally and locally, medical costs will continually rise and more nonsense lawsuits will keep coming. |
Ademaro Imre
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Posted - 2007.12.12 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
In short, he's a selfish, narrow-minded American; quite normal by todays standards in that nation.
Speaking of lawsuits, did you win yours for the doctor dropping you on your head? |
Graalum
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Posted - 2007.12.13 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Originally by: Graalum
You would by surprised how tiny of an effect tort has on medical costs. Keep reading.
If you were reading, I was talking about malpractice premiums. Malpractice premiums as a percentage are increasing twice that of health care spending. And when you see a general practitioner, you could well be paying $10 for his costs for medical malpractice liability insurance. Next year, malpractice premiums will go up again about 15-20%. 15% of doctors are sued every year for malpractice, and 30% of the plantiffs win. And the doctors themselves incur their own personal cost for each case, which of course, they pass down. Malpractice insurers also have special rates for areas where juries are especially happy to side with any plaintiff and where states allow large and unreasonable awards, and as a result, many doctors move away from regions like Philadelphia making those seeking care more difficult.
If you think it has no effect, maybe you could come to Pennsylvania. The OBGYN practices almost left the state (not some, all) because there were no malpractice insurer that would offer insurance to them. Two insurers went bankrupt from malpractice suits and the others dropped coverage completely. The state had to rewrite laws to expand their own insurance programs to include coverage for OBGYN doctors, but doctors still leave Pennsylvania for friendlier states, because the state will not quite take over the role an insurer. LLoyd's of London will not even do business in the medical field in Pennsylvania.
The effect on total cost may have a small impact, but that's like saying energy cost increases are insignificant because the cost of living is steady. As long nothing significant is done in tort reform nationally and locally, medical costs will continually rise and more nonsense lawsuits will keep coming.
Statistically insurance premiums have gone up 12%, roughly the same as the rate of increase for healthcare as a whole.
The highest estimate for tort costs i've seen are 2.2% of gdp, and even assuming all that tort is medical malpractice, it still only represents about 15-20% of medical costs. A better estimate would be that maybe 1/4 to a 1/3 of all tort is malpractice related, so that maybe 4-7% of medical costs are tort related. 'Frivolous' tort would make up an even smaller portion of that.
Medical costs are going to continues to rise because the American medical system is one of the worst in the developed world in terms of efficiency and results. If you want to see your medical prices go down, ban prescription pharmaceutical advertisements and reform patent law. Not only would parmas be able to cut their costs by more than half, but we wouldn't be treating every minor quirk as something you need to pop a pill for.
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Posted - 2007.12.13 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
In short, he's a selfish, narrow-minded American; quite normal by todays standards in that nation.
Speaking of lawsuits, did you win yours for the doctor dropping you on your head?
epic burn
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Posted - 2007.12.13 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kayna Eelai
i would laugh my arse off, if some of the stunts the yankies pull off over there, would be tried here in spain.
why can a man buy one of those big mobile homes, sue and WIN the company because he went to the WC while driving, and no1 told him he could CRASH (which is what happened) if he did so?
if that guy tried the same here in spain, in first place he would need like a dozen of years to even get to court, it would cost HIM a fortune and instead of winning, he would be the laughter of all TV channels for ages.
seriously, i don't wonder anymore why every1 and his cat has a GUN in the states... if some a$$hole like that driver comes to my company to complain about something so stupid... i would want to shoot him too.
I went to Spain once and saw the greatest thing EVER! A guy was emptying out the septic tank of a hotel while sitting on the hose and eating a sandwich! 
hehe, it was gross 
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
thats a boot.ini a file used by windows
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