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Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:02:00 - [1] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 12/12/2007 02:11:31 Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 12/12/2007 02:02:45 Ok so ccp nerfed the racial ew for amarr recons, the nos. Nos only works when your cap is lower then the enemy cap. So at equal cap amarr recon racial stops working. Hmm How would gallente feel if they could only damp their targets down to their own scan resolution and not below that? How would caldari feel if they only could jam people down to the amount of targets they are locking themselves at that moment? How would minmatar feel if they only could slow down ships to their own speed with ranged web? They would all feel that ccp had broken their racial ew. Anyone else think ccp should fix amarr recon ew? Fix nos? --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:03:00 - [2] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Ok so ccp nerfed the racial ew for amarr recons, the nos. Nos only works when your cap is lower then the enemy cap. So at equal cap amarr recon racial stops working. Hmm How would gallente feel if they could only damp their targets down to their own scan resolution and not below that? How would caldari feel if they only could jam people down to the amount of targets they are locking themselves at that monent? How would minmatar feel if they only could slow down ships to their own speed with ranged web? They would all feel that ccp had broken their racial ew. I don't know how I would feel if the above proposed changes took place, but I do know that I would feel great if you would just STFU. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
PathetiQ Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:05:00 - [3] nos have been nerf... ya right , my domi suffer a little bit! ecm have already been nerf... damp just got nerf and yeah gallente recon so we all feel it!! ::Killing Space Monkey Since 1969::
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:05:00 - [4] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Ok so ccp nerfed the racial ew for amarr recons, the nos. Nos only works when your cap is lower then the enemy cap. So at equal cap amarr recon racial stops working. Hmm How would gallente feel if they could only damp their targets down to their own scan resolution and not below that? How would caldari feel if they only could jam people down to the amount of targets they are locking themselves at that monent? How would minmatar feel if they only could slow down ships to their own speed with ranged web? They would all feel that ccp had broken their racial ew. I don't know how I would feel if the above proposed changes took place, but I do know that I would feel great if you would just STFU. Oh did my post make you sad? Poor baby... --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:06:00 - [5] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 12/12/2007 02:07:01 Originally by: PathetiQ nos have been nerf... ya right , my domi suffer a little bit! ecm have already been nerf... damp just got nerf and yeah gallente recon so we all feel it!! But why should amarr racial, the nos, stop working when your cap is equal but gallante racial, the damp, should be able to damp someone below your own scan resolution? It doesnt make sense. So no, I dont think you feel the suckage of nos. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Ok so ccp nerfed the racial ew for amarr recons, the nos. Nos only works when your cap is lower then the enemy cap. So at equal cap amarr recon racial stops working. Hmm How would gallente feel if they could only damp their targets down to their own scan resolution and not below that? How would caldari feel if they only could jam people down to the amount of targets they are locking themselves at that monent? How would minmatar feel if they only could slow down ships to their own speed with ranged web? They would all feel that ccp had broken their racial ew. I don't know how I would feel if the above proposed changes took place, but I do know that I would feel great if you would just STFU. Oh did my post make you sad? Poor baby... Sad? No. Annoyed? No. Pity that you're so lame? Yep. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Ok so ccp nerfed the racial ew for amarr recons, the nos. Nos only works when your cap is lower then the enemy cap. So at equal cap amarr recon racial stops working. Hmm How would gallente feel if they could only damp their targets down to their own scan resolution and not below that? How would caldari feel if they only could jam people down to the amount of targets they are locking themselves at that monent? How would minmatar feel if they only could slow down ships to their own speed with ranged web? They would all feel that ccp had broken their racial ew. I don't know how I would feel if the above proposed changes took place, but I do know that I would feel great if you would just STFU. Oh did my post make you sad? Poor baby... Sad? No. Annoyed? No. Pity that you're so lame? Yep. Ok deal, you can be my favorite troll. I'll give you cookies and pet you every night...so you dont have to cry. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Boran Tisk	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:15:00 - [8] Tracking disrupters? energy neuts? I'll admit it...Im confused
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Boran Tisk Tracking disrupters? energy neuts? I'll admit it...Im confused Each races recon gets a combo ew. (except caldari get dual bonus ecm) Gallente: Damps+Scramble range Caldari: ECM range+strength Minmatar: TP+Web range Amarr: Nos+TDs The sum of each racial ew working together should be balanced. Now gallente use damps to disable ships, caldari ecm and minmatar webs. Amarr uses a combo of nos and TDs. Problem is nos/neuts dont really work for disabling ships like they used to and add that up with TDs behind pretty sub par it makes the amarr recon ew total pretty poor. Nos needs to work like the pre nerf nos on amarr recons and EAS. Easy fix. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 12/12/2007 02:11:31 Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 12/12/2007 02:02:45 Ok so ccp nerfed the racial ew for amarr recons, the nos. Nos only works when your cap is lower then the enemy cap. So at equal cap amarr recon racial stops working. Hmm How would gallente feel if they could only damp their targets down to their own scan resolution and not below that? How would caldari feel if they only could jam people down to the amount of targets they are locking themselves at that moment? How would minmatar feel if they only could slow down ships to their own speed with ranged web? They would all feel that ccp had broken their racial ew. Anyone else think ccp should fix amarr recon ew? Fix nos? It doesnt seem like ccp wanted to nerf the curse and pilgrim,but the domi...However since the curse and pilgrim did get nerfed i would propose that they be changed(better neut power or some different form of nos bonus)rather then nerf all ewar ships as they are the ones that should NOT be nerfed.

Vaal Erit	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:24:00 - [11] Hey, Nos and Neuts are high slot modules while RSDs and jammers are mid slot modules. That's hardly fair isn't it. Hell you have 150m3 drone bay and caldari recons have 0m3, that's not fair. P.S. You are an idiot P.P.S. I fly Minmatar, want to switch NOS/NEUT/TD bonus for target painter bonus? P.P.P.S. If you think the Curse is broken you are dumb, Pilgrim could use a good fix though.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:24:00 - [12] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 12/12/2007 02:11:31 Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 12/12/2007 02:02:45 Ok so ccp nerfed the racial ew for amarr recons, the nos. Nos only works when your cap is lower then the enemy cap. So at equal cap amarr recon racial stops working. Hmm How would gallente feel if they could only damp their targets down to their own scan resolution and not below that? How would caldari feel if they only could jam people down to the amount of targets they are locking themselves at that moment? How would minmatar feel if they only could slow down ships to their own speed with ranged web? They would all feel that ccp had broken their racial ew. Anyone else think ccp should fix amarr recon ew? Fix nos? It doesnt seem like ccp wanted to nerf the curse and pilgrim,but the domi...However since the curse and pilgrim did get nerfed i would propose that they be changed(better neut power or some different form of nos bonus)rather then nerf all ewar ships as they are the ones that should NOT be nerfed. I totally agree. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Vaal Erit Hey, Nos and Neuts are high slot modules while RSDs and jammers are mid slot modules. That's hardly fair isn't it. Hell you have 150m3 drone bay and caldari recons have 0m3, that's not fair. P.S. You are an idiot P.P.S. I fly Minmatar, want to switch NOS/NEUT/TD bonus for target painter bonus? P.P.P.S. If you think the Curse is broken you are dumb, Pilgrim could use a good fix though. No youre dumb, if you think i wouldnt make rapier/huggin amarr ships and curse/pilgrim minmatar ships if i could do magic youre dead wrong. Nos on amarr recons and eas should work like the old nos. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Tai Paktu Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:26:00 - [14] Unless I missed a patch, the Amarr e-war bonus on the Curse and Pilgrim apply to both neutralizers and nos. When CCP introduced the nos nerf, it added the neut bonus (unless it was already there, I can't remember). So now you have 3 racial ewar. ZOMG! Amarr has more than everyone else at something! Oh, and damps just got teh nerf, target painting is only a half-decent ewar and ECM just got boosted from about a year and a bit of nerfage. We all learn to deal with the changes in the game and poasting in the forums rarely helps with the coping. Unless this is like the 12 stages of grief. In which case, let 'er rip. __________________________ Sig Starts here! Don't even start. Originally by: ISD Santiago Cortes Cleaned Please try and keep the flamage to a minimum, failing that, at least raise the quality.
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:27:00 - [15] Curse was overpowered with the old NOS and is still really good now. Yeah, the Pilgrim is a pile of suck now, but then again so are the Rook, Arazu, and Lachesis.
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:28:00 - [16] Edited by: Xequecal on 12/12/2007 02:28:36 Originally by: Vaal Erit Hey, Nos and Neuts are high slot modules while RSDs and jammers are mid slot modules. That's hardly fair isn't it. Hell you have 150m3 drone bay and caldari recons have 0m3, that's not fair. P.S. You are an idiot P.P.S. I fly Minmatar, want to switch NOS/NEUT/TD bonus for target painter bonus? P.P.P.S. If you think the Curse is broken you are dumb, Pilgrim could use a good fix though. However, this post is funny. You do realize the Huginn could have every bonus except for the web one stripped and it would still be the best recon, right? Hell, it could have 3x penalties added in place of the three non-web bonuses and it would still be the best recon.
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:30:00 - [17] Yes by all means, restore Nos to its former dual cap generating/cap destroying abilities. It's not like it was grossly overpowered the way it was, right? In other news, the Amarr lost their solopwnmobile named Curse, so what? --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:30:00 - [18] Originally by: Tai Paktu Unless I missed a patch, the Amarr e-war bonus on the Curse and Pilgrim apply to both neutralizers and nos. When CCP introduced the nos nerf, it added the neut bonus (unless it was already there, I can't remember). So now you have 3 racial ewar. ZOMG! Amarr has more than everyone else at something! Oh, and damps just got teh nerf, target painting is only a half-decent ewar and ECM just got boosted from about a year and a bit of nerfage. We all learn to deal with the changes in the game and poasting in the forums rarely helps with the coping. Unless this is like the 12 stages of grief. In which case, let 'er rip. You have no clue about nos/neut warfare have you? Have you flown curse/pilgrim or even an arbitrator? The issue is a curse and pilgrim hurt themselves by trying to disabling an enemy ship. Wich other recons ew slaps them back in the face when they try to use it against an enemy ship? Thought so... --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Ogul Yes by all means, restore Nos to its former dual cap generating/cap destroying abilities. It's not like it was grossly overpowered the way it was, right? In other news, the Amarr lost their solopwnmobile named Curse, so what? Uhm excuse me but isnt that what damps, webs and ecm do? DAMPS TANK YOU WEBS TANK YOU ECM TANKS YOU just like nos tanks the curse and pilgrim. mkay? kkthxbai. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
hellsknights RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:32:00 - [20] The difference between NOS and Damps......Nos the most cripling EW in the game a curse/pilgrim could NOS you try and a very short period of time. Same with the old Damps, it was a huge advantage. But now, NOS is simple keep you cap low drain your enenmy dry, then cap boost yourself to continue the fight, seems legit. Damps well you chose right lock speed/lock distance and if your victim is fast he can easily counter your lock distance. TBH locking time is only usefull in very limited situations.

ArmyOfMe Exotic Dancers Club Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:35:00 - [21] learn to play with what you got or train for something else. dont let your fail affect everyone else on the forums tho.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:36:00 - [22] Originally by: hellsknights The difference between NOS and Damps......Nos the most cripling EW in the game a curse/pilgrim could NOS you try and a very short period of time. Same with the old Damps, it was a huge advantage. But now, NOS is simple keep you cap low drain your enenmy dry, then cap boost yourself to continue the fight, seems legit. Damps well you chose right lock speed/lock distance and if your victim is fast he can easily counter your lock distance. TBH locking time is only usefull in very limited situations. No, neuts powered by own cap booster doesnt work in pvp where everyone fits cap boosters. Thats one of the reasons nos needs to work old school, because of cap booster use. I mean how can a pilgrim disable a battleship with a large booster and huge cap? By neuting him with a medium cap booster? Pilgrim would run out of boosters before hurting the battleship. But wait, the other recons can disable a battleship. How is this balanced again? Yeah.... --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:37:00 - [23] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Ogul Yes by all means, restore Nos to its former dual cap generating/cap destroying abilities. It's not like it was grossly overpowered the way it was, right? In other news, the Amarr lost their solopwnmobile named Curse, so what? Uhm excuse me but isnt that what damps, webs and ecm do? DAMPS TANK YOU WEBS TANK YOU ECM TANKS YOU just like nos tanks the curse and pilgrim. mkay? kkthxbai. No if you are looking for an analogue try lasers that damage your opponent while at the same time repairing your armor. And for your capital letter madness: reps tank you, hardeners tank you - Nerf them all!! --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:37:00 - [24] Originally by: ArmyOfMe learn to play with what you got or train for something else. dont let your fail affect everyone else on the forums tho. Yea, I only fly the good amarr ships. Im not touching curse and pilgrim until they fix it. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:40:00 - [25] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 12/12/2007 02:40:59 Originally by: Ogul Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Ogul Yes by all means, restore Nos to its former dual cap generating/cap destroying abilities. It's not like it was grossly overpowered the way it was, right? In other news, the Amarr lost their solopwnmobile named Curse, so what? Uhm excuse me but isnt that what damps, webs and ecm do? DAMPS TANK YOU WEBS TANK YOU ECM TANKS YOU just like nos tanks the curse and pilgrim. mkay? kkthxbai. No if you are looking for an analogue try lasers that damage your opponent while at the same time repairing your armor. And for your capital letter madness: reps tank you, hardeners tank you - Nerf them all!! No there is nothing wrong with the analogy. Damps disable a ship AND tank the gallente recon pretty much ECM disables a ship AND tanks the caldari recon completely Webs disable a ship AND tank the minmatar recon to some degree Its not much to ask that nos fuels the amarr recon tank and cripples the enemy at the same time. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Tai Paktu Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:42:00 - [26] Edited by: Tai Paktu on 12/12/2007 02:43:42 ninja edit for failing at distinguishing between are and aren't First off, you've already flamed someone for being a troll. And yet, at the first sign of dissenting opinions, it's time to get start bashing n00bs who don't understand your argument. So play nice. Moving on, no, I have not flown a Curse. I have flown a large number of ships with nos and neuts fitted and they all work on the same mechanic, the difference is how good they are at it (range, amound drained, etc.) Yes, neuts drain your cap. Yes, nos only works when your targets cap is above yours. So maybe a good plan is to wait til you stop getting the benefit from nos and then hit the neuts since you know it means his cap is low, then get the nos benefit again when your target boosts. But what do I know, I'm just a silly n00b who has never flown a Curse and therefore have no idea how to fly a ship with neuts and nos like a Domi or a Vexor properly. You're also sidestepping the issue of multiple e-war systems and the fact that recons aren't solopwnmbiles, at least they weren't meant to be and are being hemmed in that direction. If you want to say that TDs now suck too post Trinity, fine. But then I should go make a damp whine thread too. Lastly, I could find you a number of posts in theser forums by accomplished PvPers claiming that the Curse, and even the Pilgrim, can be effective PvP ships when fitted and flown to their strengths, same as any recon. I await your counterflame. __________________________ Sig Starts here! Don't even start. Originally by: ISD Santiago Cortes Cleaned Please try and keep the flamage to a minimum, failing that, at least raise the quality.
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer I mean how can a pilgrim disable a battleship with a large booster and huge cap? By neuting him with a medium cap booster? Pilgrim would run out of boosters before hurting the battleship. But wait, the other recons can disable a battleship. How is this balanced again? Yeah.... You are absolutely right, it's not like a medium neut on a pilgrim is more effective AND more efficient than a large neut on a battleship, is it? --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:45:00 - [28] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Gallente: Damps+Scramble range Caldari: ECM range+strength Minmatar: TP+Web range Amarr: Neuts+Nos+TDs Fixed. Please note the only race that gets 3 EW types. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:46:00 - [29] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 12/12/2007 02:45:50 Originally by: Tai Paktu First off, you've already flamed someone for being a troll. And yet, at the first sign of dissenting opinions, it's time to get start bashing n00bs who don't understand your argument. So play nice. Moving on, no, I have not flown a Curse. I have flown a large number of ships with nos and neuts fitted and they all work on the same mechanic, the difference is how good they are at it (range, amound drained, etc.) Yes, neuts drain your cap. Yes, nos only works when your targets cap is above yours. So maybe a good plan is to wait til you stop getting the benefit from nos and then hit the neuts since you know it means his cap is low, then get the nos benefit again when your target boosts. But what do I know, I'm just a silly n00b who has never flown a Curse and therefore have no idea how to fly a ship with neuts and nos like a Domi or a Vexor properly. You're also sidestepping the issue of multiple e-war systems and the fact that recons are solopwnmbiles, at least they weren't meant to be and are being hemmed in that direction. If you want to say that TDs now suck too post Trinity, fine. But then I should go make a damp whine thread too. Lastly, I could find you a number of posts in theser forums by accomplished PvPers claiming that the Curse, and even the Pilgrim, can be effective PvP ships when fitted and flown to their strengths, same as any recon. I await your counterflame. Go fit a vexor, i assume youre gallente, with nos/neuts + drones. No blasters or rails. Then you go try fight something bigger then you, like a bc. Youll understand how nos/neut thing doesnt work. Youll get raped before you can "wait until nos has done its thing and switch to neut". It doesnt work. Im sorry but other recons can disable a battleship without disabling themselves, same should be the case from pilgrim and curse. --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.12 02:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Ogul Edited by: Ogul on 12/12/2007 02:47:40 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer I mean how can a pilgrim disable a battleship with a large booster and huge cap? By neuting him with a medium cap booster? Pilgrim would run out of boosters before hurting the battleship. But wait, the other recons can disable a battleship. How is this balanced again? Yeah.... You are absolutely right, it's not like a medium neut on a pilgrim is more effective AND more efficient than a large neut on a battleship, is it? Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Its not much to ask that nos fuels the amarr recon tank and cripples the enemy at the same time. The sad thing is that it is not your stupidity talking here, you are trolling on purpose. Bring back the simple times where more nos equalled win? Now that would be fun... Please explain to me why other recons can disable a battleship without hurting themselves while amarr recons would struggle and even if they succeed burning all their cap and boosters? --------------------------------------------- [Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice



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