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Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.12.12 06:37:00 - [1] Was this really needed? CCP has deemed fit to remove wrecks from showing up on your long range scanner. I'm not going to explain why this is a nerf. All the smart guys will figure it out. All the stupid ones will be left wondering. What do the rest of you guys think about this? Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
me bored	Posted - 2007.12.12 06:40:00 - [2] I'll live.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.12 06:54:00 - [3] This is thread number nine thousand on the subject... but yeah, sucks when figuring out how close to finishing a mission someone is. ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :) Originally by: kessah -notice the fact the are all nearly Amarr and Amarr do not suck.
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.12.12 06:57:00 - [4] Edited by: Arekhon on 12/12/2007 06:57:44 EVE: the pvp game where pve players whine and get their way. gotta protect the lowsec mission runners somehow without ruining their glorious probing system. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.12.12 07:12:00 - [5] Originally by: techzer0 This is thread number nine thousand on the subject... but yeah, sucks when figuring out how close to finishing a mission someone is. Really? AFAIK, this hasn't been brought up. Could you point me to some threads where this is mentioned? As in, the change? Not people whining about getting their wrecks looted etc. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Shadow Engineer Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2007.12.12 07:34:00 - [6] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: techzer0 This is thread number nine thousand on the subject... but yeah, sucks when figuring out how close to finishing a mission someone is. Really? AFAIK, this hasn't been brought up. Could you point me to some threads where this is mentioned? As in, the change? Not people whining about getting their wrecks looted etc. First I'm hearing about it.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.12.12 07:45:00 - [7] Originally by: Shadow Engineer Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: techzer0 This is thread number nine thousand on the subject... but yeah, sucks when figuring out how close to finishing a mission someone is. Really? AFAIK, this hasn't been brought up. Could you point me to some threads where this is mentioned? As in, the change? Not people whining about getting their wrecks looted etc. First I'm hearing about it. That's kinda what I thought, hence the post. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.12 07:49:00 - [8] lol, sorry for the sarcasm (not really ) It's about the third whine thread in here, have yet to see any announcement or anything from a Dev about it. Guessing it's another stealth nerf ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :) Originally by: kessah -notice the fact the are all nearly Amarr and Amarr do not suck.
Iwishai Wazahero XxTiggerxX Corp SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.12.12 08:24:00 - [9] Ok speaking as someone that was an outlaw constantly from 04 - 06 and has now returned to the game (with a poo char and skills ) WTF are you smoking !! Pirating is so much simpler nowadays it's untrue, nerfed my ass #Solo perma sentry tanking now so much easier with rigs #Warp stab nerf, Need I say more !! Most mission nubs and highsec folk DO NOT wear stabs. #Pirating in highsec is now a piece of ** for non outlaws due to can flagging. #Probing.... lol, Just lol. It's no longer a skill where having a good prober in your corp was an asset. Now you just need a trained monkey and tada So tell me, how is pirating nerfed ?........ Iwishai**
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.12.12 08:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Iwishai Wazahero Ok speaking as someone that was an outlaw constantly from 04 - 06 and has now returned to the game (with a poo char and skills ) WTF are you smoking !! Pirating is so much simpler nowadays it's untrue, nerfed my ass #Solo perma sentry tanking now so much easier with rigs #Warp stab nerf, Need I say more !! Most mission nubs and highsec folk DO NOT wear stabs. #Pirating in highsec is now a piece of ** for non outlaws due to can flagging. #Probing.... lol, Just lol. It's no longer a skill where having a good prober in your corp was an asset. Now you just need a trained monkey and tada So tell me, how is pirating nerfed ?........ Iwishai** Point by point- rigs increase tanks, it's a dual edged sword. Now target tanks can't be broken by a single ship of the same class, much less a solo ship of smaller class. Hence, nerf to piracy- you need 2-3 guys to take down one target. WCS nerf- what are you smoking? I get guys with not just one, but TWO or THREE stabs fit, all the time. Running missions. It's silly. Can flagging? Won't get much pirating done there. I've tried it. A lot. Most of them would watch you kill their mothers rather than take back their loot. They're that chicken. Probing- while it's better in some respects, it's far from 'easy'. Probes have been nerfed so much, you have to resort to the wrong type of probe to get any results in a timely fashion. And this is assuming you can get into probe range in the first place. 20 AU probes are nearly worthless, and they turned our 100 AU probes into 40 AU. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.12.12 09:09:00 - [11] I maybe be unlucky but i never scaned the wreaks ,i always pick up the drones,either way it is alot harder to scan down a guy doing missions but i will live.
Alanna Kereshkova	Posted - 2007.12.12 09:23:00 - [12] I laugh every time I see a post that declares Eve a PvP game. There is infinately more to eve than blowing stuff up. What made me PML here was the whine that you couldn't
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.12.12 09:28:00 - [13] The thing bothering me is that it's not in the bloody patch notes or anything. It just went poof. Rifters!
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.12.12 09:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Alanna Kereshkova I laugh every time I see a post that declares Eve a PvP game. There is infinately more to eve than blowing stuff up. What made me PML here was the whine that you couldn't I never said there was not more to the game. However when a mojority of the people that play this game pvp, I'd say that makes it so. Also this 'more to eve stuff" that you refer to is also talked about in the F.A.Q. as "basic gameplay" Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
Tasuric Orka Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.12 10:01:00 - [15] How about you probe for.. "raven" instead? ________________________________________________ Currently training for "caldari overlord I" Thank you ccp!
Zhett Haukes Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.12.12 10:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Tasuric Orka How about you probe for.. "raven" instead? Not quite sure you understand the problem. Has anyone considered that it could be a bug? We can hope right?
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.12.12 10:22:00 - [17] The Need For Less Server Spend requires us to make certain sacrifices. Gameplay not being the only one. -- Awwwww Diddums! Did I wardec your highsec alt recently or something?
Grunanca BLACK-FLAG	Posted - 2007.12.12 10:33:00 - [18] The fact that mission runners are so hard to probe is just good... Makes more come in, and fit stabs less often. now that you cant see how far people are in missions, you will just have to stay around more to see when people leave for the mission. I have killed 3 mission runners the last 12 hours, one was a raven 11.6 AU away I hit with a 20AU probe. got in 45km from him. It is doable if you have the patience.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.12.12 10:36:00 - [19] Originally by: Iwishai Wazahero Ok speaking as someone that was an outlaw constantly from 04 - 06 and has now returned to the game (with a poo char and skills ) WTF are you smoking !! Pirating is so much simpler nowadays it's untrue, nerfed my ass #Solo perma sentry tanking now so much easier with rigs #Warp stab nerf, Need I say more !! Most mission nubs and highsec folk DO NOT wear stabs. #Pirating in highsec is now a piece of ** for non outlaws due to can flagging. #Probing.... lol, Just lol. It's no longer a skill where having a good prober in your corp was an asset. Now you just need a trained monkey and tada So tell me, how is pirating nerfed ?........ Iwishai** well... sentry guns are easier to tank? they used to not exist. warp stab nerf? they are still worn by haulers, and now there are haulers with inbuilt stabs. hisec piracy? concord used to only show up occasionally and you could kill them. probing? missions often used to take place at gates/planets/belts and spots were reused.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.12.12 10:37:00 - [20] Edited by: Kehmor on 12/12/2007 10:39:10 Originally by: Alanna Kereshkova I laugh every time I see a post that declares Eve a PvP game. There is infinately more to eve than blowing stuff up. What made me PML here was the whine that you couldn't and there is infinately more to pvp than blowing stuff up. Eve is meant to be a pvp game and is for the most part. Deadspace missions in hi-sec are the closest it gets to a pve game. As for those who think we are whining because we some how probed for wrecks.... WTS a clue. I don't pirate anymore but this is indeed a lame stealth nerf.
James Sheridan	Posted - 2007.12.12 10:57:00 - [21] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Can flagging? Won't get much pirating done there. I've tried it. A lot. Most of them would watch you kill their mothers rather than take back their loot. They're that chicken. Completley, baiting the inexperienced to steal your cans by calling it 'free ore' or equally pathetic tactics while you sit in a fitted PVP ship makes them 'chicken' If you want PVP go and shoot up other PVP jockies rather than get in a hissy fit because you no longer have the ability to gank people who cant, wont or dont want to PVP.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.12 11:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Kehmor As for those who think we are whining because we some how probed for wrecks.... WTS a clue. I don't pirate anymore but this is indeed a lame stealth nerf. Yep, that about says it. I would run a directional scan for wrecks, to make sure the target is in a mission and not safe spotted, never got a hit on a wreck with a probe though. Alway it was a drone or the ship itself. Can still run probes, and can still get results, but it's been getting harder to get hits without maxed skills. Deadspace missions are definitely not probe friendly from over 10au, and the ideal range is within 4au where you can use the slower but more successful exploration probes. ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :) Originally by: kessah -notice the fact the are all nearly Amarr and Amarr do not suck.
Rellik B00n Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.12 11:07:00 - [23] which is why you see a thread in here about once a week from an ex-pirate corp stating "mercs for hire." im not surprised no one updates the merc list anymore it would be a never ending job. low sec = route to 0.0 and thats about it. remix:never fades 07 (2) - gall002
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.12 11:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Iwishai Wazahero speaking as someone that was an outlaw constantly from 04 - 06 I call BS. - Recruitment open again-
Sarkkon	Posted - 2007.12.12 11:19:00 - [25] Edited by: Sarkkon on 12/12/2007 11:22:37 Removing wrecks does help protect the low sec mission runners i guess. It also hurts the salvagers that look for fights that happened at plants (lots of t2 salvage is lost now as these wrecks will never be found and warring parties are usually too occupied to salvage) Gate wrecks are easily found and salvaged , but i have found over 300 mil of t2 salvage at planets and in belts just by noticing wrecks on scanner as i traveled. No more. One used to be able to tell if those 1/10 and 2/10 plexes had been recently run by cheking scanner to see if the boss wrecks were on scanner... Again of little interest to piracy...but justa couple examplex of how these stealth changes work across a broad spectrum of eve. And a determined prober can find those mission runners anyway (most of the time at least)
Joie Mains Vindicator A Team	Posted - 2007.12.12 11:19:00 - [26] its fun hows there prety no much point on piracy left belt piracy dead gates camping is *** and ofc u need mom to do that and now this .. i glad that i fix my sec status
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.12.12 11:29:00 - [27] Well what do you expect. CCP want $$$ not an awesome game. =====
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.12.12 11:45:00 - [28] Originally by: Joie Mains belt piracy dead It isn't. Often a lack of targets, but it's not dead. Originally by: Joie Mains gates camping is * and ofc u need mom to do that (a) The advent of HICs make Mothership gatecamping risky. (b) In no way you need a Mothership to gatecamp. Battlecruisers do just fine, in fact. Originally by:** Joie Mains and now this .. i glad that i fix my sec status It's not a crippling nerf, although a nerf it is. Rifters!
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.12.12 11:47:00 - [29] The legend known as World Of EveCraft continues. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder.
Joie Mains Vindicator A Team	Posted - 2007.12.12 11:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Joie Mains belt piracy dead It isn't. Often a lack of targets, but it's not dead. Originally by: Joie Mains gates camping is * and ofc u need mom to do that (a) The advent of HICs make Mothership gatecamping risky. (b) In no way you need a Mothership to gatecamp. Battlecruisers do just fine, in fact. Originally by:** Joie Mains and now this .. i glad that i fix my sec status It's not a crippling nerf, although a nerf it is. ohh yeah belt piracy is dead and u need mom to be cool and that was ironic pist btw

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