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Thorek Ironbrow
Ironbrow Industries Co.
Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.12.12 21:31:00 -
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Who would win in a faction war between the Caldari, Minmatar, Gallente and (dare I say) Amarr?
Because I see people talking about how Minmatar and Gallente are the best at PvP, and Caldari is best at PvE, and Amarr is apparently average. But would it be different in a fleet war?
Also, give me facts, not opinions. I don't want:
Amarr wins cause they pwn and all.
I do want:
Gallente would probably win because they have high DPS and could rip everyone else to shreds with their MWDing Blasterthrons.
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Swift Wind
6rasshopper Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Swift Wind on 12/12/2007 21:35:34
If pilots were forced to fly for their "race", IMO Caldari would win, due to numbers. I dont see any race being superior enough to counter the "size" advantage enjoyed by the Caldari base.
added: not to mention race has little to do with ship selection, I fly all the races, so do many others, right tool for the job and all....
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Pliskkenn
Minmatar
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Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.12 21:35:00 -
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While I hate to say it, Amarr.
Biggest Empire and could possibly call upon Ammatar and dare I say it, Khanid support. Get along with with the Caldari. Even though their ships are out of date slightly they could field more of them and they can replace lost crews alot simpler than the other empires from slave populations. That and they have what appears to be the greatest unified capsuleer corperations who'd support them, with Minmatar coming second in that department.
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Laboratus
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Posted - 2007.12.12 21:37:00 -
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If the factions warred, the Amarr would have an overwhelming number of NPC ships, Caldari would have a huge player character advantage, but still I'm gonna have to go with Jove. One polaris frigate pwns all...
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Posted - 2007.12.12 21:37:00 -
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Probably Caldari from PC point of view - but in any event I give it another 5 minutes before this degenerates into an Amarr whine thread.
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Thorek Ironbrow
Ironbrow Industries Co.
Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.12.12 21:38:00 -
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Okay, I'm going to rephrase the question, look at the first post again in a minute or two.
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Tasuric Orka
Antares Fleet Yards
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Posted - 2007.12.12 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Tasuric Orka on 12/12/2007 21:51:25
It's a little hard to tell really, every race has their specialty, but in full scale "kill or be killed" war where there will be only one survivor, all sides would be pretty equally matched across the board. Tactics exploiting these specialties and in general would mean the victory or defeat of one of the races.
Boring answer, but thats what i believe.. Even if you take into account the RP population of Ammar being much greater than the other race's, their ways are backwards... and would be easily exploited. They got their glory in battle against a tech wise inferior race. While the Caldari and Gallante were going at it on about equal terms which leads me to believe Ammar is not as powerful as they would like to make us believe.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.12.12 21:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Pliskkenn
Biggest Empire and could possibly call upon Ammatar and dare I say it, Khanid support. Get along with with the Caldari. Even though their ships are out of date slightly they could field more of them and they can replace lost crews alot simpler than the other empires from slave populations. That and they have what appears to be the greatest unified capsuleer corperations who'd support them, with Minmatar coming second in that department.
This. Their ability to replace crew/slaves is unmatched by any of the other empires, they have had a LOT of military experience in general, they have the largest empire by a fairly wide margin, and they could call upon the Ammatar and Khanid to their aid if they needed to.
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow
Who would win in a faction war between the Caldari, Minmatar, Gallente and (dare I say) Amarr? And everyone was flying their own ships. So no Gallente flying around in Typhoons.
Because I see people talking about how Minmatar and Gallente are the best at PvP, and Caldari is best at PvE, and Amarr is apparently average. But would it be different in a fleet war?
Also, give me facts, not opinions. I don't want:
Amarr wins cause they pwn and all.
I do want:
Gallente would probably win because they have high DPS and could rip everyone else to shreds with their MWDing Blasterthrons.
Rephrased
Who would win in a Roleplay war, as in, Amarr makes up most of EvE. And basically everyone fits their descriptions.
I'm not sure, but I think it would affect it. Although, I agree with most peoples current answers, in a roleplay situation, Amarr probably would win, and in a real situation, if everyone was forced to fight, Caldari could easily take over, because they're like a fleet race, and they make up the population of EvE.
If you read the backstory carefully, you will see that no one would win. The reason there are still 4 empires now is that all of them know they can't beat each other.
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Khudo
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Posted - 2007.12.12 21:54:00 -
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Jove win. Nuff said ^ ^.
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Thorek Ironbrow
Ironbrow Industries Co.
Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.12.12 21:55:00 -
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Perhaps if the Caldari and Gallente got wise, they could narrow it down to 2?
I mean, of course, I think if anyone did start winning in a war, the Jovians would come and start insta popping everyone.
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Thorek Ironbrow
Ironbrow Industries Co.
Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.12.12 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Khudo
Jove win. Nuff said ^ ^.
Yeah, Jove are annoying. It's like when kids are playing a game against each other where they pretend to fight, then one says he's invincible, and everyone pretends to beat him up and he just stands there, so everyone beats him up for real for spoiling the game.
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Kavol Valarius
Amarr
Unity of Honor
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2007.12.12 22:00:00 -
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Roleplay wise? The Amarr, without question. Well.. unless there was still no unifying Emperor and the Empire devolved into multiple civil wars.
Any major war would ruin the galaxy though, with whole planets being stripmined for raw materials. The victors would have very little left to rule over.
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Tasuric Orka
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.12 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kavol Valarius
Roleplay wise? The Amarr, without question. Well.. unless there was still no unifying Emperor and the Empire devolved into multiple civil wars.
Any major war would ruin the galaxy though, with whole planets being stripmined for raw materials. The victors would have very little left to rule over.
Pff, you'd say that judging by your sig, race and corporation. 
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Thorek Ironbrow
Ironbrow Industries Co.
Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.12.12 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kavol Valarius
Any major war would ruin the galaxy though, with whole planets being stripmined for raw materials. The victors would have very little left to rule over.
But hot dam it would be fun while it lasted (which would probably be a long time). Infact, probably the only thing ending the way would actually be the lack of materials to produce new ships/weapons/ammo.
Only tactics could win a war of epic proportions. Without them, no one is really dealing proper fatal blows.
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Arelius Sarum
Amarr
Exodus.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 22:15:00 -
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I failed to see how Amarr would "win" given the low number of Amarr characters, unless NPC ships will also join into the fight.
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.12 22:18:00 -
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As long as the Amarr are wiped off the map, the Minmatar would not care who the eventual winner would be.
Though it'd probably be them.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.12 22:20:00 -
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minmatar production would allow us to slaughter the competition, we would just pilot their own wrecks against them!
Originally by: Cecil Montague
They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Posted - 2007.12.12 22:39:00 -
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The only race or faction that would survive such destructive force which an all out war would entail..
Would be the one that didnt fight at all.
the amarr would seek to annihilate the minmatar first, the gallente would split in two fronts, helping defend liberty (and the minmatars) while struggling against the caldari.
the caldari would seize tactical opportunities, striking a fatal blow to any and all who showed weakness, including the amarr, crippling themselves in the process by having no allies.
Thus, worlds would burn, civilisations crumble.
Thoughts, ideals and values made extinct together with the people that hold them as truth.
And none would call themselves "victorious".
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The jove are already doomed.
with no cure in sight to their sickness, they will perish not in wars, but by the sands of time.
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Sky Grunthor
Minmatar
Core Element
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:01:00 -
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the minmatar would win because there is an endless supply of duct tape.
This is a fact that can not be disbuted by logic, reason, insanity, truthfulnes, lies, counter fact, argument, etc...
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Daelin Blackleaf
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:01:00 -
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Who would win in a faction war?
The same people who always win when there's a war, the arms dealers.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:09:00 -
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Caldari would win, no doublt. We have the better ships, the better people, the better morale and the better genes.
A militaristic caldari is simply a better warrior than a liberal p0rn-watching gallente.
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Nito Musashi
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:12:00 -
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Since the amarr and caldari are already in bed together running slaves etc, they would be side by side.
So it would come down to gallente and minmatar vs amarr and caldari at some point.
Least i see this as what faction wars are going to be down to amarr attacks minmatar, gallente being good friends with minmatar joins them to fight off the religious zealots seeing the amarr grow in power even more would be a very bad thing and would have to lend aid to the minmatar at lest.
When gallente starts to fight with the minmatar then amarr asks caldari to join them to crush the rebellous slaves and the evil gallente. And the real galactic war begins.
Then at the end when one side is showing badly the devs pop out the jove to take the side of the looser, or maybe the jove just threatens to anniliate both sides. either way to achieve more or less a stalemate to keep the status quo, since i do not really se the devs wanting to remove any faction from the eve universe which one or two would certainly fall.
or maybe the wining side turns on itself seeing an opening for total domination, not to put it past the amarr and caldari assuming they probably would be winning  and forcing the remaing gal, min and whoever to cobble some alliance together to fight to not be dominated.
Or maybe the jove attack everyone and force all the current faction together to repel them, that might be interesting, but since noone can fly jove ships doubtful since i believe the idea of faction wars is to get pvp combat on a grand scale for empire people.
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:14:00 -
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Caldari, because everything would be jammed.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:27:00 -
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No one would win, because no one would fight. All the empires would shut down their gates and that would be that. Cap ships might jump in but would get cooked by all the ships not off gallivanting around other empires. It would be a stalemate very quickly.
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:31:00 -
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With equal numbers of 30m sp each Amarr would win, as long as they had access to t2 explosive drones.
If you had to use your own race's drones, sorry to say Gallente would win.
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.12 23:47:00 -
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A Caldari PvP fleet is actually good. It's when they are reduced to small numbers that they apparently show their PvP-weaknesses. But in large groups, Caldari ships are just fine for PvP. So yes, if they put their numerically superior player base to work, the Caldari would win a faction war.
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Posted - 2007.12.13 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: Del Narveux on 13/12/2007 00:48:20
Possible matchups, not accounting for player population difference (or caldari would always win based on sheer numbers):
Caldari vs Minmatar: Minmatar win easily. Everyone knows caldari isn't the greatest in combat due to their EW being so heavily diluted in recent patches, and aside from that minnie's favorite bullet--EMP--does EM damage, which is what caldari is weakest to. And they can snipe, which nullifies the one thing caldari has going for them. Epic fail for caldari everywhere.
Caldari vs Gallente: Gallente wins. See above, add in the fact that range doesn't mean as much anymore thanks to cloaked ships making it easy to do tactical warps and gallente's omgwtfpowerful ships that have both insanely damaging blasters and damage-modulating drones. Caldari can tank the blasters easily, but load up some Praetors and Infiltrators and its game over man, game over!
Caldari vs Amarr: Ends in a draw, special olympics style. They're both a bit weak to each others tank, and neither is a damage monkey. Each battle would randomly and quickly go in one side's favor.
Amarr vs Gallente: Gallente wins. More damage, and its rather well known that Amarr doenst really have anything going for it anymore. Oh, and gal can easily tank lasers.
Amarr vs Minmatar: Amarr wins, just barely. Minnie's two higest-damaging shells are what armortankers are strongest against, and minnie ships rely on both shields and armor in such a way that they'd be unable to stand up to a laser onslaught. And their speed won't mean as much since pulse lasers got that nice tracking boost. 
Gallente vs Minmatar: Gallente wins. They can just sic the drones on their opponents and wear them down.
Caldari/Amarr vs Gallente/Minmatar: Caldari/Amarr wins in a close fight. That may seem counterintuitive, but the two sort of complement each other's weaknesses while gal/min are basically the same general idea--lots of damage and enough tank to survive.
4-way FFA: Gallente wins. See above, drones are ungodly powerful in terms of both DPS, inability for msot ships to counter them, and ability to change damage type on the fly.
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jason hill
Caldari
Nightmare Holdings
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.13 01:03:00 -
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well it obviously wont wont have any anything to with them being french  ....so that bunch is on a loser before they start
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Posted - 2007.12.13 02:21:00 -
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Invalid. The Emperor and His Sons seek only peace upon the known universe. Although such heresy is not surprising coming from one such as yourself.
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