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Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2007.12.12 21:31:00 - [1] Who would win in a faction war between the Caldari, Minmatar, Gallente and (dare I say) Amarr? Because I see people talking about how Minmatar and Gallente are the best at PvP, and Caldari is best at PvE, and Amarr is apparently average. But would it be different in a fleet war? Also, give me facts, not opinions. I don't want: Amarr wins cause they pwn and all. I do want: Gallente would probably win because they have high DPS and could rip everyone else to shreds with their MWDing Blasterthrons. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join!
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.12 21:34:00 - [2] Edited by: Swift Wind on 12/12/2007 21:35:34 If pilots were forced to fly for their "race", IMO Caldari would win, due to numbers. I dont see any race being superior enough to counter the "size" advantage enjoyed by the Caldari base. added: not to mention race has little to do with ship selection, I fly all the races, so do many others, right tool for the job and all.... Anywhere, Anytime.
Pliskkenn Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.12.12 21:35:00 - [3] While I hate to say it, Amarr. Biggest Empire and could possibly call upon Ammatar and dare I say it, Khanid support. Get along with with the Caldari. Even though their ships are out of date slightly they could field more of them and they can replace lost crews alot simpler than the other empires from slave populations. That and they have what appears to be the greatest unified capsuleer corperations who'd support them, with Minmatar coming second in that department. ---
Laboratus Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.12.12 21:37:00 - [4] If the factions warred, the Amarr would have an overwhelming number of NPC ships, Caldari would have a huge player character advantage, but still I'm gonna have to go with Jove. One polaris frigate pwns all... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
THX 1138 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.12 21:37:00 - [5] Probably Caldari from PC point of view - but in any event I give it another 5 minutes before this degenerates into an Amarr whine thread.
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2007.12.12 21:38:00 - [6] Okay, I'm going to rephrase the question, look at the first post again in a minute or two. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join!
Tasuric Orka Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.12 21:48:00 - [7] Edited by: Tasuric Orka on 12/12/2007 21:51:25 It's a little hard to tell really, every race has their specialty, but in full scale "kill or be killed" war where there will be only one survivor, all sides would be pretty equally matched across the board. Tactics exploiting these specialties and in general would mean the victory or defeat of one of the races. Boring answer, but thats what i believe.. Even if you take into account the RP population of Ammar being much greater than the other race's, their ways are backwards... and would be easily exploited. They got their glory in battle against a tech wise inferior race. While the Caldari and Gallante were going at it on about equal terms which leads me to believe Ammar is not as powerful as they would like to make us believe. ________________________________________________ Currently training for "caldari overlord I" Thank you ccp!
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.12 21:50:00 - [8] Originally by: Pliskkenn Biggest Empire and could possibly call upon Ammatar and dare I say it, Khanid support. Get along with with the Caldari. Even though their ships are out of date slightly they could field more of them and they can replace lost crews alot simpler than the other empires from slave populations. That and they have what appears to be the greatest unified capsuleer corperations who'd support them, with Minmatar coming second in that department. This. Their ability to replace crew/slaves is unmatched by any of the other empires, they have had a LOT of military experience in general, they have the largest empire by a fairly wide margin, and they could call upon the Ammatar and Khanid to their aid if they needed to. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.12 21:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow Who would win in a faction war between the Caldari, Minmatar, Gallente and (dare I say) Amarr? And everyone was flying their own ships. So no Gallente flying around in Typhoons. Because I see people talking about how Minmatar and Gallente are the best at PvP, and Caldari is best at PvE, and Amarr is apparently average. But would it be different in a fleet war? Also, give me facts, not opinions. I don't want: Amarr wins cause they pwn and all. I do want: Gallente would probably win because they have high DPS and could rip everyone else to shreds with their MWDing Blasterthrons. Rephrased Who would win in a Roleplay war, as in, Amarr makes up most of EvE. And basically everyone fits their descriptions. I'm not sure, but I think it would affect it. Although, I agree with most peoples current answers, in a roleplay situation, Amarr probably would win, and in a real situation, if everyone was forced to fight, Caldari could easily take over, because they're like a fleet race, and they make up the population of EvE. If you read the backstory carefully, you will see that no one would win. The reason there are still 4 empires now is that all of them know they can't beat each other. EVE History Wiki
Khudo	Posted - 2007.12.12 21:54:00 - [10] Jove win. Nuff said ^ ^.
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2007.12.12 21:55:00 - [11] Perhaps if the Caldari and Gallente got wise, they could narrow it down to 2? I mean, of course, I think if anyone did start winning in a war, the Jovians would come and start insta popping everyone. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join!
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2007.12.12 21:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Khudo Jove win. Nuff said ^ ^. Yeah, Jove are annoying. It's like when kids are playing a game against each other where they pretend to fight, then one says he's invincible, and everyone pretends to beat him up and he just stands there, so everyone beats him up for real for spoiling the game. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join!
Kavol Valarius Amarr Unity of Honor Legion of Honor	Posted - 2007.12.12 22:00:00 - [13] Roleplay wise? The Amarr, without question. Well.. unless there was still no unifying Emperor and the Empire devolved into multiple civil wars. Any major war would ruin the galaxy though, with whole planets being stripmined for raw materials. The victors would have very little left to rule over. -----
Tasuric Orka Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.12 22:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Kavol Valarius Roleplay wise? The Amarr, without question. Well.. unless there was still no unifying Emperor and the Empire devolved into multiple civil wars. Any major war would ruin the galaxy though, with whole planets being stripmined for raw materials. The victors would have very little left to rule over. Pff, you'd say that judging by your sig, race and corporation. ________________________________________________ Currently training for "caldari overlord I" Thank you ccp!
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2007.12.12 22:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Kavol Valarius Any major war would ruin the galaxy though, with whole planets being stripmined for raw materials. The victors would have very little left to rule over. But hot dam it would be fun while it lasted (which would probably be a long time). Infact, probably the only thing ending the way would actually be the lack of materials to produce new ships/weapons/ammo. Only tactics could win a war of epic proportions. Without them, no one is really dealing proper fatal blows. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join!
Arelius Sarum Amarr Exodus.	Posted - 2007.12.12 22:15:00 - [16] I failed to see how Amarr would "win" given the low number of Amarr characters, unless NPC ships will also join into the fight.
Alz Shado Ever Flow Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.12 22:18:00 - [17] As long as the Amarr are wiped off the map, the Minmatar would not care who the eventual winner would be. Though it'd probably be them.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.12 22:20:00 - [18] minmatar production would allow us to slaughter the competition, we would just pilot their own wrecks against them! Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
corroded	Posted - 2007.12.12 22:39:00 - [19] The only race or faction that would survive such destructive force which an all out war would entail.. Would be the one that didnt fight at all. the amarr would seek to annihilate the minmatar first, the gallente would split in two fronts, helping defend liberty (and the minmatars) while struggling against the caldari. the caldari would seize tactical opportunities, striking a fatal blow to any and all who showed weakness, including the amarr, crippling themselves in the process by having no allies. Thus, worlds would burn, civilisations crumble. Thoughts, ideals and values made extinct together with the people that hold them as truth. And none would call themselves "victorious". P.s The jove are already doomed. with no cure in sight to their sickness, they will perish not in wars, but by the sands of time. D.s
Sky Grunthor Minmatar Core Element	Posted - 2007.12.12 23:01:00 - [20] the minmatar would win because there is an endless supply of duct tape. This is a fact that can not be disbuted by logic, reason, insanity, truthfulnes, lies, counter fact, argument, etc... Search: Sky Grunthor
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.12.12 23:01:00 - [21] Who would win in a faction war? The same people who always win when there's a war, the arms dealers. -------- Idling until the Virgin Media crisis is over.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.12 23:09:00 - [22] Caldari would win, no doublt. We have the better ships, the better people, the better morale and the better genes. A militaristic caldari is simply a better warrior than a liberal p0rn-watching gallente.
Nito Musashi	Posted - 2007.12.12 23:12:00 - [23] Since the amarr and caldari are already in bed together running slaves etc, they would be side by side. So it would come down to gallente and minmatar vs amarr and caldari at some point. Least i see this as what faction wars are going to be down to amarr attacks minmatar, gallente being good friends with minmatar joins them to fight off the religious zealots seeing the amarr grow in power even more would be a very bad thing and would have to lend aid to the minmatar at lest. When gallente starts to fight with the minmatar then amarr asks caldari to join them to crush the rebellous slaves and the evil gallente. And the real galactic war begins. Then at the end when one side is showing badly the devs pop out the jove to take the side of the looser, or maybe the jove just threatens to anniliate both sides. either way to achieve more or less a stalemate to keep the status quo, since i do not really se the devs wanting to remove any faction from the eve universe which one or two would certainly fall. or maybe the wining side turns on itself seeing an opening for total domination, not to put it past the amarr and caldari assuming they probably would be winning and forcing the remaing gal, min and whoever to cobble some alliance together to fight to not be dominated. Or maybe the jove attack everyone and force all the current faction together to repel them, that might be interesting, but since noone can fly jove ships doubtful since i believe the idea of faction wars is to get pvp combat on a grand scale for empire people.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.12.12 23:14:00 - [24] Caldari, because everything would be jammed.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.12.12 23:27:00 - [25] No one would win, because no one would fight. All the empires would shut down their gates and that would be that. Cap ships might jump in but would get cooked by all the ships not off gallivanting around other empires. It would be a stalemate very quickly. -AS The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
Cipher7 VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.12 23:31:00 - [26] With equal numbers of 30m sp each Amarr would win, as long as they had access to t2 explosive drones. If you had to use your own race's drones, sorry to say Gallente would win.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.12 23:47:00 - [27] A Caldari PvP fleet is actually good. It's when they are reduced to small numbers that they apparently show their PvP-weaknesses. But in large groups, Caldari ships are just fine for PvP. So yes, if they put their numerically superior player base to work, the Caldari would win a faction war. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2007.12.13 00:46:00 - [28] Edited by: Del Narveux on 13/12/2007 00:48:20 Possible matchups, not accounting for player population difference (or caldari would always win based on sheer numbers): Caldari vs Minmatar: Minmatar win easily. Everyone knows caldari isn't the greatest in combat due to their EW being so heavily diluted in recent patches, and aside from that minnie's favorite bullet--EMP--does EM damage, which is what caldari is weakest to. And they can snipe, which nullifies the one thing caldari has going for them. Epic fail for caldari everywhere. Caldari vs Gallente: Gallente wins. See above, add in the fact that range doesn't mean as much anymore thanks to cloaked ships making it easy to do tactical warps and gallente's omgwtfpowerful ships that have both insanely damaging blasters and damage-modulating drones. Caldari can tank the blasters easily, but load up some Praetors and Infiltrators and its game over man, game over! Caldari vs Amarr: Ends in a draw, special olympics style. They're both a bit weak to each others tank, and neither is a damage monkey. Each battle would randomly and quickly go in one side's favor. Amarr vs Gallente: Gallente wins. More damage, and its rather well known that Amarr doenst really have anything going for it anymore. Oh, and gal can easily tank lasers. Amarr vs Minmatar: Amarr wins, just barely. Minnie's two higest-damaging shells are what armortankers are strongest against, and minnie ships rely on both shields and armor in such a way that they'd be unable to stand up to a laser onslaught. And their speed won't mean as much since pulse lasers got that nice tracking boost. Gallente vs Minmatar: Gallente wins. They can just sic the drones on their opponents and wear them down. Caldari/Amarr vs Gallente/Minmatar: Caldari/Amarr wins in a close fight. That may seem counterintuitive, but the two sort of complement each other's weaknesses while gal/min are basically the same general idea--lots of damage and enough tank to survive. 4-way FFA: Gallente wins. See above, drones are ungodly powerful in terms of both DPS, inability for msot ships to counter them, and ability to change damage type on the fly. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
jason hill Caldari Nightmare Holdings Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.13 01:03:00 - [29] well it obviously wont wont have any anything to with them being french ....so that bunch is on a loser before they start destroy everything you touch
Guart	Posted - 2007.12.13 02:21:00 - [30] Invalid. The Emperor and His Sons seek only peace upon the known universe. Although such heresy is not surprising coming from one such as yourself. Live, love, mine. Die to a ganker.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.12.13 02:29:00 - [31] Nightelves
Kyra Felann Gallente Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.13 02:45:00 - [32] Originally by: jason hill well it obviously wont wont have any anything to with them being french ....so that bunch is on a loser before they start They're not French--they're descended from French colonists. Do you call the English Anglo-Saxons?
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.13 03:02:00 - [33] Edited by: cal nereus on 13/12/2007 03:03:00 Are you telling me the English aren't Anglo-Saxons? --- Join BH-DL Skills
tarin adur Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.12.13 03:26:00 - [34] The winner would obviously be gallente..... Anyways, the winner would be the one who hoards all minerals from the jita market before the fight,and watches as the other 3 races duke it out until they've exhausted resources.
Tessikhet	Posted - 2007.12.13 04:47:00 - [35] Winner would be Minmatar. Because in order to combat their speed-tanked ships, you have to buy their recons or EAFs. It's win-win for them.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.12.13 05:04:00 - [36] I have a pony Originally by: Death Kill Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
Lothros Andastar Gallente Divine Assembly of Forgotten Travelers	Posted - 2007.12.13 05:11:00 - [37] YAY FOR PONY!
SirFett	Posted - 2007.12.13 05:16:00 - [38] presuming that npc ships fight aswell gallente start a war with caldari khanid who has good relationship with caldari comes to aid amarr eventualy get off their lazy fat asses (well they are actualy carried arround by slaves but thats a diffrent matter entirely) amarr steamlol into gallente terretory only to discover that their slaves are making yet another rebellion wich is being fuled by minmatar as soon as this comes to daylight the amarr withdraw fighting the minis in their own empire and with retaliation strikes the sub factions aid their bigger brothers industry wise Minimatar superiorness (in terms of resists and speed) is combatted by Amarrs sheer numbers and it prety much ends in a stalemate Gallente managing some decisive victorys in the beginning but are slowly pushed back by the now unifieing caldari corporations Guristas seize the moment and claim new terretory while fortifying Blood Raiders roam the battlefields for more blood EoM's actualy help the Amarr by purging the non belivers Serppentis thinks its a very good time to flood the market with boosters and drugs both helping and gimping the Gallente Angels decide its time to steal some more jovian technology The Drones go meep meep and master sansha himself returns to hatch new eggs but thistime with more spikes than ever! (can you tell im borred ? )
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2007.12.13 06:44:00 - [39] Unless the Caldari and the Minmatar suddenly form an alliance and realize that they are not that different in key ways, I would see the Gallente taking over the whole Galaxy in short order. Face facts, their ships are just plain unfair in a fight and if they have the Minmatar's support then the only race who stood a chance in Hek of even "resisting" them is going to aid them. The only downfall of the Gallente may be their unwillingness to do so. Fact is, being a supposedly democratic society they may be hard to motivate into a big conquering war. But if someone pulled strings right it could be accomplished and the first Gallente Empire would quicky be formed, likely sealed with the erradication of the Caldari and Amarr races for the most part. +++++++++++++++ I saw the Sign...! O.o
Laboratus Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.12.13 09:21:00 - [40] Originally by: ZerKar Unless the Caldari and the Minmatar suddenly form an alliance and realize that they are not that different in key ways, I would see the Gallente taking over the whole Galaxy in short order. Face facts, their ships are just plain unfair in a fight and if they have the Minmatar's support then the only race who stood a chance in Hek of even "resisting" them is going to aid them. The only downfall of the Gallente may be their unwillingness to do so. Fact is, being a supposedly democratic society they may be hard to motivate into a big conquering war. But if someone pulled strings right it could be accomplished and the first Gallente Empire would quicky be formed, likely sealed with the erradication of the Caldari and Amarr races for the most part. Democracy or dictatorship, getting the people follow their leaders is easy. Just tell them they are under attack and denounce pacifists as unpatriotic. If you think about the distinct advantages the empires have over eachother, they would be something like this. Amarr have a huge advantage in their population base, but in a total war scenario would suffer from their internal policies that have limited their navy and their basicly still feudalistic planned economy model. While the amarr empire has the most people under their sovereignity, a good portion of them are matari, and the minmatar republic is well infiltrated there. While the minmatar may not have any advantages of sofisticated technologies, their designs can be pretty much produced at any job shop, meaning there are no good strategic targets you can really attack and diminish their building capacities... Caldari as a society is very militaristic and ruthlesly effective. Their capabilities in working as a single strong unit cannot be emphasised enough, however their biggest problem is that they are relatively few compared to all other factions... The gallante federation. At the moment has a small standing army. Has no direct incentive to go to war. Is smaller than the amarr empire in population. Has problems even in dispatching the serpentis. However. What they do have, is a functioning democratic society running a market economy. Where your typical resident in the amarr empire is a serf, slave etc, the average federation citizen is middle class. The GDP for the federation is propably multiples of all others combined. In times of peace this means a lot of crap and luxury items produced, but once the industry is swithced to war mode, it will likely just outproduce all others. This combined with the gallante thinking of "lets let the drones and enemies do the dying" mentality, they could possibly just drown everyone else in drones (possibly unleashing the most epic rogue drone infestation ever). ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2007.12.13 09:53:00 - [41] I'm taking second thoughts on Gallente winning. Because as it stands, every tech 2 ship I have seen (especially Assault Frigs and HACs) has [hugely] increased resistances to Kinetic and Thermal, the only damage that Gallente deal because their drones deal thermal, and their Blasters can only deal Kinetic and Thermal, even if there is a lot of it. In a fleet war. I'd see Caldari jamming everyone, which is like win straight away. I'd probably sooner or later see Amarr TDing everyone (which doesn't help Gallente since they fight up close for the most part). I'd see Minmatar speed tanking pretty much everything, and using hit and run tactics to gain and advantage on anyone. Then Gallente would probably be flying around with masses of fighters. Also, someone earlier said that if a war broke out, all stargates would be shut down. But why? I can see if Caldari declared war on Amarr, then Amarr could easily just win by closing down all their old stargates in that area. But if there was a war between Gallente and Caldari, why would they cut themselves off from each other? _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.13 09:53:00 - [42] Amarr Victor, of course. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rilder Caldari THC LTD	Posted - 2007.12.13 10:12:00 - [43] Jove of course.
Scimon Tinker	Posted - 2007.12.13 10:28:00 - [44] Matari would eventually win. I would use the RL analogy here but im not sure it belongs on the forums. But take a look at their tactics and fighting style. Then look at the current tactics of war. :/
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.13 10:37:00 - [45] I have allways wondered why The Caldari sided with the Amarr over the Minmatar. Somehow I could see more of the Caldari aiding the Minmatar as opposed to the Gallente, then both hating the dogma of the 2 more powerful factions, who have a non agression pact and a defence clause against the rebel Caldari and Minmatar.
Taua Roqa Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.12.13 10:38:00 - [46] Originally by: DHB WildCat Caldari, because everything would be jammed. it's orange because it's true -------------------------------------------- Threads are stacking-nerfed; the more posts you add the less effective those posts are. mooooooo.
McFly Path of Light R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.13 11:01:00 - [47] Originally by: Rilder Jove of course. that's what I was gonna say...dammit! -- --my opinions do not reflect that of my corp nor my alliance--
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.12.13 11:08:00 - [48] Amarr maybe... later Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up*
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.12.13 11:19:00 - [49] Originally by: DHB WildCat Caldari, because everything would be jammed. Minmatar, because only Minmatar can catch Minmatar. Rifters!
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.12.13 11:19:00 - [50] Minmatar. RSS operatives and Republic diplomats either flip (best-case) or cause to become totally neutral (acceptable case) the Ammatars, and convince the Thukkers to throw in with them in the name of racial unity. The united Matari peoples lay waste to the Amarrian empire, force the Khanid to bow out and join the Caldari. Caldari and Gallente toss it up in a massive stalemate until the Matar are finished turning Amarr space into a giant stellar parking lot, at which point they turn up on Caldari's backside to put a tag-team unconsensual love train on the State. Galactic war over, Gallente and Matar live happily every after. Then the Jove show up and press the Easy button, galaxy ends.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.12.13 11:28:00 - [51] Since the gods have always favored the caldari and lately sent them the achura as proof one can only hope faction warfare as all out war between races will never happen, ever! Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Tamcia	Posted - 2007.12.13 11:38:00 - [52] Well probably Caldari would win. Number of pilots + ship quality would beat any other race.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.13 11:38:00 - [53] Democracies don't lose wars. They can field a large, well motivated armies. They generally don't start wars (u listening Tony), but if they are provoked they will fight hard. So the decendents of the cheese eating surrender monkeys will win.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.12.13 13:17:00 - [54] ôJove of course.ö Why? They have very small numbers and are not the most advance race. They dont stand a chance. öbut still I'm gonna have to go with Jove. One polaris frigate pwns all...ö Polaris ships are not part of the Jove fleet. Polaris ships belong to the empire to the right of the Jove. Two different empires. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Kastar Memphis Technologies Intergalactic Brotherhood	Posted - 2007.12.13 13:23:00 - [55] I'd say Amarr RP wise and according to the backstory. Though, I'm interested in how it would turn out ingame and how we would go about our lower numbers in the pilot population. Actually I'd rather be interested in an Amarr civil war while other empires duke it out, allowing the Khanid to come to the rescue of the Caldari, who are getting pawned by the Matari or Gallente. In terms of technology ? No way anything would be up to withstand the Minmatar & Gallente block. -----------------------------------------------
Lazal Nahn Amarr Nebula Rasa Logistics Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2007.12.13 14:08:00 - [56] Logically according to backstory: Amarr But if you consider what Amarr ships actually accomplish:
Doctor Fruitloop	Posted - 2007.12.13 14:11:00 - [57] What race is Chuck Noris?
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.13 14:19:00 - [58] Originally by: Kirjava I have allways wondered why The Caldari sided with the Amarr over the Minmatar. Somehow I could see more of the Caldari aiding the Minmatar as opposed to the Gallente, then both hating the dogma of the 2 more powerful factions, who have a non agression pact and a defence clause against the rebel Caldari and Minmatar. I always put this down to market economics, Amarr=Huge market to sell too. My money would go on Caldari winning by default, Caldari declare's itself neutral all the while selling weapons to all sides until they are all weakened enough to trounce! I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Kaomi Zorbaz	Posted - 2007.12.13 14:20:00 - [59] Edited by: Kaomi Zorbaz on 13/12/2007 14:20:25 Originally by: Doctor Fruitloop What race is Chuck Noris? Earth I wonder if the gate somehow reopened and mother earth showed up, what their equipment would look like. Looking over the backstory we are thousands of years behind earth in terms of technology.
Doctor Fruitloop	Posted - 2007.12.13 14:22:00 - [60] Originally by: Kaomi Zorbaz Edited by: Kaomi Zorbaz on 13/12/2007 14:20:25 Originally by: Doctor Fruitloop What race is Chuck Noris? Earth Earth wins.
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.13 14:24:00 - [61] Originally by: Kaomi Zorbaz Edited by: Kaomi Zorbaz on 13/12/2007 14:20:25 Originally by: Doctor Fruitloop What race is Chuck Noris? Earth I wonder if the gate somehow reopened and mother earth showed up, what their equipment would look like. Looking over the backstory we are thousands of years behind earth in terms of technology. Better hope "The Spacing Guild" don't find out where we are! "Let the spice flow!" I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Surreptitious Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.13 14:25:00 - [62] The Privateers would win. Then Gallente because thats what I fly. Amarr would be to busy molesting their slave children. Minmatar would be to busy admiring their T2 ducttape also known as bondo. And Caldari would be to busy posting their want ad on the Craigslist male to male section. Syrup
Tari Telrunya	Posted - 2007.12.13 14:51:00 - [63] Edited by: Tari Telrunya on 13/12/2007 14:53:56 Originally by: SirFett ... The Drones go meep meep ... THIS! And for thoes who don't know binary, it roughly translates into 'resistance is futile'! So my vote would go for the rogue drones! Why? Well as anyone who has ratted in the drone regions knows, they have technology that we can only dream of! Domi's that fire missiles (+ defenders) and do all damage types?! BC's the size and speed of frigates which do BS damage?! And certian 'special' domi's which will MWD off at INSANE speeds with apparently infinite cap?!?!? And if anyone is doubting their superiority then explain why none of the empires have even claimed even one of their systems and the drone regions have been open how long now? Oh and I'll bet they just lol @ amarr's so called 'numbers' EDIT: and if you think about it the invasion has probably already started as I've seen rogue drone plex's in Caldari, Minmatar, Gallente and Amarr space!
Snowcrash Winterheart2 Gallente Concordia Discors	Posted - 2007.12.13 15:25:00 - [64] Gallente wins. Because we just want to be friends.... and get naked... and be friends. ----- Four paws... four sets of claws.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.13 15:32:00 - [65] Originally by: Blutreiter Amarr maybe... later Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Dionisius Gallente Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.12.13 15:36:00 - [66] Stalemate for everyone, here's my thinkin on the subject... Caldari push into Minmatar territory for some rich mineral resources in republic space, the Republic discovers this and its citizens are enfuriated, meanwhile talks are held between both governments while the info coming outside considers all info not coming out of oficial channels as false. The separatists detonate some high potency explosive in one of the Caldari hubs during a Caldari / Minmatar / Amarr encounter, were the amarr were suposed to be only observing, and kill all the representatives and alot of innocent bystanders. Caldari goverment demands reparations and apologies as the Amarr empire does, the Minmatar government refuses to present the apologies to the Amarrians and tensions rise. Meanwhile the Gallenteans discover that large groups of gallente citizens are being abducted by Amarrians assisted by former Caldari military personell and demand for explanations to the Caldari State. The Caldari negate any kind of envolvment and divert all atentions to the Amarrian slavers. - "Cold war between the Gallentean and Amarrian / Caldari empires." A gallente task force enters Caldari space covertly , assisted by Minmatar forces and are followed by rebels that "somehow" knew this operation was taking place, while the gallenteans uncover evidence tying the Amarr and Caldari to the kidnapings the rebels act and a skirmish between both partys takes place alerting the Caldari authorities, some of the gallente/minmatar strike force elements flee to safety while a couple agents are capture along with the rebels. Caldari and Amarrian regime quickly anounce publicly that the gallente / minmatar governments had been participating along with the rebels and are the cause for the past atacks on Amarrian soil aswel as the murder of the Nefantar embassators. The Gallente government responds that their forces were there to release the citizens kidnaped and acuses the Caldari and Amarrians of causing the situation. The amarrian fleets move near the Gallente and Minmatar borders, a 24 standard hours grace period ensues and apologies are demanded. At exactly 00h of the next day the combined Amarrian / Caldari fleet invade the Gallente federation space trought the Tierijev pocket taking the Federate forces by surprise as they were patroling the low sec regions that were deemed the most vulnerable to atack, the defending Gallente fleet is forced to retreat with heavy losses. Meanwhile the Amatar and the Khanid are holding back due internal matters, the Amatar are told to stay out of the war and watch for the republic fleet, the Khanid on the other hand despite their friendship with the Caldari megacorps are awaiting for... something. The Republic forces scramble to help the Federation and dispatch half their fleet into the systems near Tierijev but are days away from travel, the rest of the fleet is dispatched to areas deemed vulnerable and the remnants to watch over the Nefantar area. The Gallente mount a hard defense perimeter and cry out for help while the Amarrians keep pushing their fleet while the Caldari invasion forces bombard the planets with a capital fleet, bilions die. _____________________________________
Dionisius Gallente Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.12.13 15:36:00 - [67] [Continuation] The Republic forces arrive and prepare for a frontal assault in order to repel the Amarrian invading fleet and save the remaining, if there is any, survivors of the first atacks, the Amarr push back and in the next day the combined Federate / Republican forces amass reinforcements. Day 15 after invasion, the Gallente and Minmatar fleets push trough almost into Tierijev only to find themselves finding two Amarrian supercapitals deployed at their front and back of their fleets, this is unheard of previously and the public opinion from the 4 empires is in shock, two blasts of titanic magnitude are detonated and the remaining forces are almost utterly erradicated by the crushing numbers of the Amarrians while the Caldari deploy massive amounts of citadel torpedoes upon the crippled ships that lie in wrecks. The battlefield is litered with wrecks and escape pods are either destroyed by the Amarrian ceptor and dictor pilots or head towards the planets already ocupied by Caldari forces. During this massacre of biblical proportions since the battle of Vak'Atioh a few Gallentean and Minmatar ships are rescued by unknown forces that breached their way into one of the weaker flanks of the amarrian fleet, detailed there only to prevent ships and pods to leave and completely unexpecting any outsiders to intervene. Massive histeria in the Gallentean homeworlds, the Jin-Mei overlords unite and put their diferences aside, even the Intaki rally with the Gallente, bilions of homeless and survivors of the previous atacks are relocated, in the Republic areas the tribes rally also but to war, massive fleets of frigates and cruiser sized vessels take the skies painted with war inscriptions and camouflage, the worlds prepare for invasion and the fleet is recalled to the homeworlds leaving only a small detachement watching over the borders. Slavers take this chance and start looting and preyin upon the stragglers and killing the sick or elder. The Caldari consolidate positions and prepare to push even further into Gallente territory with their Amarrian allies, a demand is made, Caldari prime and the adjacent systems are to be surrendered to the Caldaris and the rest of the federation are to be delivered to the Amarrian custody. The next few weeks are grim to the gallente Verge Vendor and Placid fall into Emperial and State hands, the Gallentean prepare to suffer the final assaults... In a desperate outcry for help the Gallente try to negotiate a truce but their pleas are not heard, at the last moment and while preparing to open a wormhole one of the Amarrian titans explodes in a violent outburst having the 2 fleets jumping with it ripped apart by the wormhole's caotic break, confusion breaks trought the ranks of the Caldari that were following to jump and the same unknown forces that saved the few Gallente reveal themselves, reports are scatered but the few remaining survivors say that Serpentis battleships aided by Minmatar forces along with the few remants of the first Gallentean fleet raid the fleets positioned to jump and take advantage of their disarray, the Caldari capital fleet is heavily damaged with aproximately 50% of its carriers taken out and 35% of their dreadnoughts down or out of service. This action gave the Minmatar fleet and the Gallente enough to rally forces and secure positions, the war comes to a stalemate again with the Gallente, Minmtar and Caldari to reveal their super capitals. The motives for the serpentis envolvement remain a mistery to wether if they are true or not and the whys of it in case of true. Also the nefantar and Khanid have their roles to play in this war. Now i like this ideia. :D _____________________________________
Tari Telrunya	Posted - 2007.12.13 15:58:00 - [68] Originally by: Dionisius Story very cool! But I still say the drones will win! 'Taking advantage of the disarray, the Supreme Sentient Overlord High Queen drone (U83RH@X0R the 3rd to her friends ) makes her move and jumps in 5 Drone supercaps along with thousands upon thousands of other drones which blot out the stars... ...the end or... maybe thats how the amarr super-caps were destroyed?!? The Gallente made a deal with the rogue drones!?!
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.13 16:05:00 - [69] Originally by: Dionisius Cool story! "Red Storm Rising" meets Eve! Would make a great novel! I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Dionisius Gallente Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.12.13 16:23:00 - [70] Originally by: Tari Telrunya Originally by: Dionisius Story very cool! But I still say the drones will win! 'Taking advantage of the disarray, the Supreme Sentient Overlord High Queen drone (U83RH@X0R the 3rd to her friends ) makes her move and jumps in 5 Drone supercaps along with thousands upon thousands of other drones which blot out the stars... ...the end or... maybe thats how the amarr super-caps were destroyed?!? The Gallente made a deal with the rogue drones!?! Naw, the supercapital is destroyed by a group of saboteurs, and traitors, the other remains unscated, as to the assault fleet its really a combined Serpentis / Gallente and Minmatar but the Serpentis motives are darker than you'd expect not that altruistic at all. As for the rest, well, i have plenty of room and ideias for more stories. _____________________________________
Pitt Bull Caldari Naval Reserve	Posted - 2007.12.13 16:30:00 - [71] Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow Who would win in a faction war between the Caldari, Minmatar, Gallente and (dare I say) Amarr? Much like the real world today, it would be Caldari (equivalent to the USA) hands down.
Terail Zoqial	Posted - 2007.12.13 16:31:00 - [72] Oooh, that's a hard one. Caldari have the numbers and EW, but mins and amarr can shred through the shields with little problems. Also their resources are a bit crap, no iso in 0.5 or above. Gallente have really good close combat ships with decent firepower to boot, they also have drones to boost their firepower and for ew/logistics. In all probability they have a very good chance of winning. Only down side is no nocx in high sec (I think, it's been a while since I've been in Gallente space) Minmatar have great, speedy ships with multiple damage types with their ammo, they also seem to be able to make ships out of whatever is lying around . Granted their ships are more skill intensive, they have a pretty damn potent fleet. Resources wise, they should be pretty set up (been a while since I trecked down there), I think they have a pretty damn good chance of winning the war with multiple damage types. Amarr ships are getting quite diverse, their main weakness is EM/thermal damage restrictions which could be problematic when dealing with non shield tanking ships. Obviously the Amarr have the most resources, both human and mineral. If they can't get the damage out then they will have massive problems regardless of the numbers. I think it's a very close match between gallente and minmatar, Minmatar multiple damage types maybe giving them the boost. On the other hand if drones are used right, the Gallente can completely dominate the battlefield.
Matsui Hideki	Posted - 2007.12.13 16:40:00 - [73] Orks
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.13 16:40:00 - [74] Originally by: Pitt Bull Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow Who would win in a faction war between the Caldari, Minmatar, Gallente and (dare I say) Amarr? Much like the real world today, it would be Caldari (equivalent to the USA) hands down. Nah, USA is the Gallente. EU is CAldari.
Gosh Krux	Posted - 2007.12.13 16:59:00 - [75] Minmatar. Why? Because they've spent their entire lives fighting. And not just for territory, but for their lives and freedom from the opressive Amarr. While the other races have gone a little soft in the recent peace filled years, the Minmatar are still fighting an on-going war to free their brethren. Basically you have an entire race that's incredibly ****ed off, and has a titan-sized chip on their collective shoulders. Should a race war ever break out, Minmatar aggresion and guerilla warfare will win the day. The Amarr will be extinct, and the Gallante and Caldari will have to learn how to live in a universe ruled by the mighty Minmatar Republic.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.13 17:02:00 - [76] Gosh Krux, the Minmatar would only win if the Caldari had a mercy streak. Look at it this way, if the Caldari want to stop the Gurilla attacks, they kill any and every Minmatar that shows it's face, and actively hunt those the Ammar don't enslave to extinction.
Gosh Krux	Posted - 2007.12.13 17:20:00 - [77] Ahh Kirjava, you're forgetting something. Should an all-out race war be declared, the Caldari will have their hands full fighting off the Gallante to even worry about what the Minmatar are doing. Which leaves the Minmatar free to commit genocide against the hated Amarr, then join the Caldari/Gallante war on the frenchies side. If the Amarr are destroyed quickly, even with all the might that the Caldari Navy posesses, it will still be in a war it can't win, going against both the Gallante and Minmatar, without their Amarr pets to back them up. Once the Caldari are taken care of, I'm sure the Gallante will see reason and stand behind the glorious Republic. It's inevitable really. The Republic will rise to ultimate power in the universe no matter how you look at it. ALL HAIL THE GLORIOUS REPUBLIC!
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.13 17:26:00 - [78] Krux, the Gallente and the Minnie don't have the gumption to commit mass genocide, the Caldari and Ammar do. The Caldari are small in area, but still have the most ships in space compared to any other navy, hence they have the highest density. Any assault on Caldari space would be hideously outmatched. Theres also the fact that the Caldari have Jita, which could be looted by the Caldari navy to fuel the war effort
Gosh Krux	Posted - 2007.12.13 17:34:00 - [79] HAHA! You think the Minmatar don't have the gumption for genocide, but I wouldn't call that a safe bet. Being enslaved has a way of warping one's mind. History will back me up on my Minnie-theory. Countless times, ****ed-off opressed people, have fought countless wars, out-gunned, out-manned, out-classed, and STILL win. Because they have something their enemies don't: drive, determination, and a self-rightous quest for justice. These can make a people stronger than anything imaginable, and is the very fuel that drives every single Minmatar pilot. With it, we cannot be defeated! And don't forget, we can liquify Rens for the war-effort as well. Only then GoonSwarm would be like WTF you killed Rens?! And we'd say yes, but it was really the Caldari's fault, and you know what that'll lead to: an armada of fofofofofofo.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.13 17:39:00 - [80] Gosh - the RL wars you refer to the attackers were mostly concerned with proffit, at least the British were. In incursions into North America we didn't kill the natives because we made more money trading with them than killing them and running it ourselves - at least till the rebellion. Similarly in Africa, the slaves were not killed because they were cheap labour, and making them beleive they were free when they were being taxed, having to work for the British as it was the only way to stay alive. If the Caldari want to kill the Minnie, the Minnie would die. The deciding factor would be the Jove.
Gosh Krux	Posted - 2007.12.13 17:48:00 - [81] "If the Caldari want to kill the Minnie, the Minnie would die." Kind of like the US saying that the war in Iraq would be swift? Just another example of ****ed off people screwing up larger nation's plans. No I'm NOT trying to get a real-world political conversation going, I'm merely using it as a current example of a juggernaut state thinking they could impose their will on a smaller state, only to find out that guerilla tactics and people with chips on their shoulder can stick a rather big stick in the cogs. Just becuase the Caldari Navy is massive doesn't really mean anything, unless they can get into fleet-to-fleet warfare. Again, as Iraq teaches us, if your enemy doesn't play by your rules, the power-hammer is useless. If the Minnies come at the Caldari in small groups, and play the hide and seek game, the the Caldari's massive fleets are going to be sitting around looking for large fights that will never happen.
flashfreaking LFC FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.12.13 17:55:00 - [82] I don't think anybody would win, as all races use stuff from each other (espec Caldari), so fighting each other wouldn't be very fruitfull. but if I have to chose, it would be Concord, caus they can't get concordokkened in high sec, now can they :D Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
Rick Thwaites Caritas.	Posted - 2007.12.13 17:59:00 - [83] I would say Amarr/Caldari. You know they will call upon former alliances. In an RP situation Caldari has the sheer determination, and Amarr has the fanatical will. As can be read from the Gallente/Caldari war, though it was essentially a stalemate, Caldari managed to evacuate their planet despite a fleet much larger than theirs. Amarr have the brute force and the fanatical will. So, you would have the Caldari leadership and tacticians, with the fanaticism of Amarr. --
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.13 18:03:00 - [84] Originally by: Gosh Krux No I'm NOT trying to get a real-world political conversation going, I'm merely using it as a current example of a juggernaut state thinking they could impose their will on a smaller state, only to find out that guerilla tactics and people with chips on their shoulder can stick a rather big stick in the cogs. Thats the point, the Caldari have no interest in leaving anyone alive. If the US was aiming to bring the teritory of Iraq under control by any means - my money is on the major cities being nuked. Simply, the definition of a victory for the Caldari would be removal of the Minmatar and securing of the assets, if the Minmatar had to die to secure the assets, ohwell.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.12.13 18:06:00 - [85] Edited by: HankMurphy on 13/12/2007 18:06:46 matar would take the cake. sarpati and his boys would show up to protect their fortune. an entire race of possible snake implant customers. it would only make sense for salvador to bolster our ranks and outfit all the pilots they can w/ full HG snake sets. That, combined w/ angels support, the Republic should have all the machariels, vindicators, rapiers, sabres, vagabonds and sleips we should need to finish everyone off. ------------------------------ of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.12.13 18:23:00 - [86] I know this for sure the Amarr would lose to the minny's i mean come on what can lazer's do vs any T2 minny ship i mean you can get some insane Em thermal resistace on them with out trying. Death is great rember where all dying to get there.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.12.13 18:45:00 - [87] Originally by: Del Narveux Edited by: Del Narveux on 13/12/2007 00:48:20 Possible matchups, not accounting for player population difference (or caldari would always win based on sheer numbers): Caldari vs Minmatar: Minmatar win easily. Everyone knows caldari isn't the greatest in combat due to their EW being so heavily diluted in recent patches, and aside from that minnie's favorite bullet--EMP--does EM damage, which is what caldari is weakest to. And they can snipe, which nullifies the one thing caldari has going for them. Epic fail for caldari everywhere. Caldari vs Gallente: Gallente wins. See above, add in the fact that range doesn't mean as much anymore thanks to cloaked ships making it easy to do tactical warps and gallente's omgwtfpowerful ships that have both insanely damaging blasters and damage-modulating drones. Caldari can tank the blasters easily, but load up some Praetors and Infiltrators and its game over man, game over! Caldari vs Amarr: Ends in a draw, special olympics style. They're both a bit weak to each others tank, and neither is a damage monkey. Each battle would randomly and quickly go in one side's favor. Amarr vs Gallente: Gallente wins. More damage, and its rather well known that Amarr doenst really have anything going for it anymore. Oh, and gal can easily tank lasers. Amarr vs Minmatar: Amarr wins, just barely. Minnie's two higest-damaging shells are what armortankers are strongest against, and minnie ships rely on both shields and armor in such a way that they'd be unable to stand up to a laser onslaught. And their speed won't mean as much since pulse lasers got that nice tracking boost. Gallente vs Minmatar: Gallente wins. They can just sic the drones on their opponents and wear them down. Caldari/Amarr vs Gallente/Minmatar: Caldari/Amarr wins in a close fight. That may seem counterintuitive, but the two sort of complement each other's weaknesses while gal/min are basically the same general idea--lots of damage and enough tank to survive. 4-way FFA: Gallente wins. See above, drones are ungodly powerful in terms of both DPS, inability for msot ships to counter them, and ability to change damage type on the fly. You smoke pot, don't you... French much? lol... GAllente, Gallente, Gallente., what's with you.. Caldari wins, ofc.. we have the best fleet ships, the best jamming equipment ever, the largest numbers, and are of course much more cooler and combat worthy.. drones.. lol..
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.12.13 18:49:00 - [88] Originally by: tarin adur The winner would obviously be gallente..... Anyways, the winner would be the one who hoards all minerals from the jita market before the fight,and watches as the other 3 races duke it out until they've exhausted resources. Which is another reason why Caldari would win. They'd just force all market trading in Jita to stop and confiscate all the goods as potential contraband and use them for military purposes :)
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.12.13 18:55:00 - [89] Originally by: Laboratus Originally by: ZerKar Unless the Caldari and the Minmatar suddenly form an alliance and realize that they are not that different in key ways, I would see the Gallente taking over the whole Galaxy in short order. Face facts, their ships are just plain unfair in a fight and if they have the Minmatar's support then the only race who stood a chance in Hek of even "resisting" them is going to aid them. The only downfall of the Gallente may be their unwillingness to do so. Fact is, being a supposedly democratic society they may be hard to motivate into a big conquering war. But if someone pulled strings right it could be accomplished and the first Gallente Empire would quicky be formed, likely sealed with the erradication of the Caldari and Amarr races for the most part. Democracy or dictatorship, getting the people follow their leaders is easy. Just tell them they are under attack and denounce pacifists as unpatriotic. If you think about the distinct advantages the empires have over eachother, they would be something like this. Amarr have a huge advantage in their population base, but in a total war scenario would suffer from their internal policies that have limited their navy and their basicly still feudalistic planned economy model. While the amarr empire has the most people under their sovereignity, a good portion of them are matari, and the minmatar republic is well infiltrated there. While the minmatar may not have any advantages of sofisticated technologies, their designs can be pretty much produced at any job shop, meaning there are no good strategic targets you can really attack and diminish their building capacities... Caldari as a society is very militaristic and ruthlesly effective. Their capabilities in working as a single strong unit cannot be emphasised enough, however their biggest problem is that they are relatively few compared to all other factions... The gallante federation. At the moment has a small standing army. Has no direct incentive to go to war. Is smaller than the amarr empire in population. Has problems even in dispatching the serpentis. However. What they do have, is a functioning democratic society running a market economy. Where your typical resident in the amarr empire is a serf, slave etc, the average federation citizen is middle class. The GDP for the federation is propably multiples of all others combined. In times of peace this means a lot of crap and luxury items produced, but once the industry is swithced to war mode, it will likely just outproduce all others. This combined with the gallante thinking of "lets let the drones and enemies do the dying" mentality, they could possibly just drown everyone else in drones (possibly unleashing the most epic rogue drone infestation ever). Now if only ROGUE drones could be ordered like regular drones.. no they cannot, they'd just backfire and kill all gallente, infesting the whole gallente space and giving the Caldari more minerals to keep their fleets warm, cozy and buzzing with even more greater numbers..
OOOSOOO Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.12.13 18:56:00 - [90] Jove hiccup
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:00:00 - [91] Originally by: Banana Torres Democracies don't lose wars. They can field a large, well motivated armies. They generally don't start wars (u listening Tony), but if they are provoked they will fight hard. So the decendents of the cheese eating surrender monkeys will win. I usually like your comments Banana, but did you copy this off a textbook of a sort? No, vote Caldari while your drones are still home safe :)
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:11:00 - [92] Originally by: Gosh Krux "If the Caldari want to kill the Minnie, the Minnie would die." Kind of like the US saying that the war in Iraq would be swift? Just another example of ****ed off people screwing up larger nation's plans. No I'm NOT trying to get a real-world political conversation going, I'm merely using it as a current example of a juggernaut state thinking they could impose their will on a smaller state, only to find out that guerilla tactics and people with chips on their shoulder can stick a rather big stick in the cogs. Just becuase the Caldari Navy is massive doesn't really mean anything, unless they can get into fleet-to-fleet warfare. Again, as Iraq teaches us, if your enemy doesn't play by your rules, the power-hammer is useless. If the Minnies come at the Caldari in small groups, and play the hide and seek game, the the Caldari's massive fleets are going to be sitting around looking for large fights that will never happen. If I would you I'd just shut up and go read comic books.. You fail!
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:12:00 - [93] Originally by: Banana Torres Democracies don't lose wars. They can field a large, well motivated armies. They generally don't start wars (u listening Tony), but if they are provoked they will fight hard. So the decendents of the cheese eating surrender monkeys will win. Democracies don't lose wars? A classic case is Athens getting owned by Sparta. Germany also would've gotten quite a bit further if they had remained allies with Russia (also non-democratic). Democracies actually suck at war but are good at the numbers game which is why they've won in recent history. As far as EVE is concerned, they don't have the numbers or the technology to outmatch an Amarr/Caldari alliance.
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:12:00 - [94] Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow I'm taking second thoughts on Gallente winning. Because as it stands, every tech 2 ship I have seen (especially Assault Frigs and HACs) has [hugely] increased resistances to Kinetic and Thermal, the only damage that Gallente deal because their drones deal thermal, and their Blasters can only deal Kinetic and Thermal, even if there is a lot of it. In a fleet war. I'd see Caldari jamming everyone, which is like win straight away. I'd probably sooner or later see Amarr TDing everyone (which doesn't help Gallente since they fight up close for the most part). I'd see Minmatar speed tanking pretty much everything, and using hit and run tactics to gain and advantage on anyone. Then Gallente would probably be flying around with masses of fighters. Also, someone earlier said that if a war broke out, all stargates would be shut down. But why? I can see if Caldari declared war on Amarr, then Amarr could easily just win by closing down all their old stargates in that area. But if there was a war between Gallente and Caldari, why would they cut themselves off from each other? Drones can deal any type of damage. The populace of the Gallente is also very large and if they and the Minmatar join forces it would be a slaughter. The Matari do not care about the Caldari because they cannot maintain a lock for more than 2 seconds at a time with their immense speed. The Gallente can blow them out of space so fast the Caldari will not know what happened and meanwhile the Caldari lack a ship that has any sort of teeth so no one else has anything to fear from them. +++++++++++++++ I saw the Sign...! O.o
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:14:00 - [95] The biggest and most powerfull faction will not always win, remember vietnam ?
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:17:00 - [96] Originally by: ZerKar Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow I'm taking second thoughts on Gallente winning. Because as it stands, every tech 2 ship I have seen (especially Assault Frigs and HACs) has [hugely] increased resistances to Kinetic and Thermal, the only damage that Gallente deal because their drones deal thermal, and their Blasters can only deal Kinetic and Thermal, even if there is a lot of it. In a fleet war. I'd see Caldari jamming everyone, which is like win straight away. I'd probably sooner or later see Amarr TDing everyone (which doesn't help Gallente since they fight up close for the most part). I'd see Minmatar speed tanking pretty much everything, and using hit and run tactics to gain and advantage on anyone. Then Gallente would probably be flying around with masses of fighters. Also, someone earlier said that if a war broke out, all stargates would be shut down. But why? I can see if Caldari declared war on Amarr, then Amarr could easily just win by closing down all their old stargates in that area. But if there was a war between Gallente and Caldari, why would they cut themselves off from each other? Drones can deal any type of damage. The populace of the Gallente is also very large and if they and the Minmatar join forces it would be a slaughter. The Matari do not care about the Caldari because they cannot maintain a lock for more than 2 seconds at a time with their immense speed. The Gallente can blow them out of space so fast the Caldari will not know what happened and meanwhile the Caldari lack a ship that has any sort of teeth so no one else has anything to fear from them. I'd very much like to see any ship firing while jammed but Caldari and Khanid (loyal to Amarr), oh wait those two would be allies.. heh.. oopsie.. there go all the rest, speed shmeed, and blasters mlasters, and drones shmrones Hurray for happy pills :) Victoryyyy :) now on to some minmatar slave girls and gallente ****s.. :D
Sky Grunthor Minmatar Core Element	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:22:00 - [97] The caldari would not win, neither would the ammar. They are too close minded. Pure military and numerical might does not mean they will win. As a race they only know the one way to fight. Throw hardware and numbers. Gallente and Minmitar know many ways to fight. Or lets put it this way. Ammar/Caldari know how to blob. Gallente/Minmitar know how to war. Blobs can only win when you play by blob tacktics. Warrior win by changeing tacticks to fit the situation. Of course I'm basing this of of what I read in Eve Lore about the races them selves. And this is not taking into account any player contribution which of course brings the entire theory down on its own head. Search: Sky Grunthor
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:30:00 - [98] Edited by: Carniflex on 13/12/2007 19:30:16 Originally by: Sky Grunthor Ammar/Caldari know how to blob. Gallente/Minmitar know how to war. Blob would win as your strategic locations are fixsed in space (unless you can somehow move your population centers around). If your population centers are getting nuked from orbit then you either fight RIGHT THEN or you soon don't have anything to fight for. That is assuming all out kill or be killed war ofc.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar Core Element	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:42:00 - [99] Edited by: Sky Grunthor on 13/12/2007 19:42:11 Originally by: Carniflex Edited by: Carniflex on 13/12/2007 19:30:16 Originally by: Sky Grunthor Ammar/Caldari know how to blob. Gallente/Minmitar know how to war. Blob would win as your strategic locations are fixsed in space (unless you can somehow move your population centers around). If your population centers are getting nuked from orbit then you either fight RIGHT THEN or you soon don't have anything to fight for. That is assuming all out kill or be killed war ofc. super capital into blobed system. fire super weapon. Blob is gone. warrior wins. They changed tactics to fight the blob. they did not fight the blob on the blobs terms. Search: Sky Grunthor
Dors Venabily	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:46:00 - [100] Originally by: Gosh Krux "If the Caldari want to kill the Minnie, the Minnie would die." Kind of like the US saying that the war in Iraq would be swift? Just another example of **ed off people screwing up larger nation's plans. No I'm NOT trying to get a real-world political conversation going, I'm merely using it as a current example of a juggernaut state thinking they could impose their will on a smaller state, only to find out that guerilla tactics and people with chips on their shoulder can stick a rather big stick in the cogs. Just becuase the Caldari Navy is massive doesn't really mean anything, unless they can get into fleet-to-fleet warfare. Again, as Iraq teaches us, if your enemy doesn't play by your rules, the power-hammer is useless. If the Minnies come at the Caldari in small groups, and play the hide and seek game, the the Caldari's massive fleets are going to be sitting around looking for large fights that will never happen. As far drawing comparison if threat is big even democracies get stomach for mass genocide Allies baked 40 000 ppl alive in dresden in one night so the point of iraq as ed off ppl over weapons. The Iraquis are doing urban warfare because US are playing nice in all out war US would just anihillate the cities remove the Urban part of lands cape and kill everything that moves. Hence in BS war for money **ed off ppl win in war of survival if the other side takes off the white gloves you dead.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:47:00 - [101] Originally by: Sky Grunthor super capital into blobed system. fire super weapon. Blob is gone. warrior wins. They changed tactics to fight the blob. they did not fight the blob on the blobs terms. It is not quite working in current big wars nor will it work in factional warfare. Well unless it has enough firepower to kill planets (to insta pop dreadnaughts) in whitch case both sides would be just nuking each other with superweapons and after nuclear winter passes only cokroaches will survive.
Tashiell Gao Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:48:00 - [102] Originally by: Nito Musashi Since the amarr and caldari are already in bed together running slaves etc, they would be side by side. last time i checked with my superoir, we are against slave trading. caldari have no major conflicts with minmatar republic at the moment, only gallent. but enermy's enermy is my friend so amarr is our friend, and enermy's enermy's enermy (or our enermy's friend) is also our enermy, but no much hatrad for it, just pure political. minmatar would win, because it has the least number of enermies. which is only amarr Tashiell Gao, Minmatar in-side, RolePlayer.
Anya Sardukar	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:48:00 - [103] An Amarr/Caldari alliance would probably prevail ultimately. Caldari have the technology for precision strikes to weak points, and Amarr bring big, sloppy hits and the massive logistics source. Sometimes numbers DO matter, especially when there's rough technological parity. Gallente are noted to have an undersized navy, and the Minmatar are pretty heavily divided by tribal factions. The award for tactics will probably go to the Minmatar, but I seriously doubt clever thinking alone will overcome the Amarr and Caldari, particularly not if Khanid and Ammatar throw in on the Amarr/Caldari side.
Doctor Fruitloop	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:49:00 - [104] Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: Sky Grunthor super capital into blobed system. fire super weapon. Blob is gone. warrior wins. They changed tactics to fight the blob. they did not fight the blob on the blobs terms. It is not quite working in current big wars nor will it work in factional warfare. Well unless it has enough firepower to kill planets (to insta pop dreadnaughts) in whitch case both sides would be just nuking each other with superweapons and after nuclear winter passes only cokroaches will survive. Detonate a DDD in the atmosphere. War on Earth is dictated by nuking someone the fallout will come to you due to the sharing the same biosphere/atmosphere. In game, nothing stops them eradicating planets.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar Core Element	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:51:00 - [105] Edited by: Sky Grunthor on 13/12/2007 19:51:44 Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: Sky Grunthor super capital into blobed system. fire super weapon. Blob is gone. warrior wins. They changed tactics to fight the blob. they did not fight the blob on the blobs terms. It is not quite working in current big wars nor will it work in factional warfare. Well unless it has enough firepower to kill planets (to insta pop dreadnaughts) in whitch case both sides would be just nuking each other with superweapons and after nuclear winter passes only Minmitar will survive. Minmitar WIN! see you said it. :p fixed that for you :D Search: Sky Grunthor
Dors Venabily	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:52:00 - [106] oh yeah and gallente wins really ppl you think that gallente are going to be sitting by and keep their fleet undersized while politial tensions mount ? No they goingt reinstate the war mode of production make zillion drones fit all their ships with eccm and this time they ill not be held back by incompetent regime that allowed the caldari to escape in first place
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:04:00 - [107] Originally by: OOOSOOO Jove They donÆt stand a chance. They donÆt have the numbers or technology. One would think the more advance race(s) would interfere if the Jove joined into a full scale war. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Disteeler Segunda Fundacion	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:09:00 - [108] Edited by: Disteeler on 13/12/2007 20:09:39 Will is key in wars. Amarrian and minmatar cause, will and determination is so strong in them I'm sure they will be the finalists in the battle. Sig by Black Necris
Anya Sardukar	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:11:00 - [109] Originally by: Dors Venabily oh yeah and gallente wins really ppl you think that gallente are going to be sitting by and keep their fleet undersized while politial tensions mount ? Meanwhile, the other superpowers who can see war coming will not swell the ranks of their already-numerically-superior fleets at all. Nope, they certainly won't do that.
Jasese The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:34:00 - [110] Like has been said before, Minmatar. No race can kill a minmatar ship exept a minmatar one.
OOOSOOO Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:38:00 - [111] Originally by: Pottsey Originally by: OOOSOOO Jove They donÆt stand a chance. They donÆt have the numbers or technology. One would think the more advance race(s) would interfere if the Jove joined into a full scale war. Well, considering the Jovian ships would be flown by Devs, everyone would get annihilated. What do you mean by a more advanced race? BoB? hiccup
Stuart Price Caldari Havoc Inc	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:39:00 - [112] Caldari - even outnumbered as long as they pump out Scorpions like crazy. 1 scorp vs any other bs = stalemate unless jam cycles fail a lot. 10 scorps vs 10 other bs's = permajam enemy fleet and focus fire means tank becomes largely redundant. Eagles and cerbs force speed-tanks to abandon the battlefield. Crow tackles everything that's jammed. Rooks and Falcons take up the slack from the scorps. Basilisks float around and spidertank scorps that fail their jam cycles. Enemy fleet commanders fit nothing but ECCM only to find the gankraven fleet dropping on their heads. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:46:00 - [113] ôWell, considering the Jovian ships would be flown by Devs, everyone would get annihilated.ö What if the devs choose to fly one of the other raceÆs like Enheduanni or Polaris? What do you mean by a more advanced race? BoB?ö Bob isnÆt a race and they are primitive as the raceÆs go. Other race's had Motherships and Titans over 150 years ago. Some perhaps over 1000 years ago. Bob and the 4 main empires only got Motherships in the past 3 years. The 4 main empires only recently got T2 stuff in the past few years. But older race's had T2 and beyound 1000's of years ago. Polaris is an empire to the right of the Jove and they appear to have better technology then the Jove. Enheduanni are another race we know are far more advance then the Jove and the reason the Jove pulled out of empire space. Then there are the long lost raceÆs like the Yan Jung who 1000Æs of years ago had technology beyond what we have now. Assuming they didnÆt die out and moved to a new region of space and are still out there. Then they will be more advance then the Jove along with all the other raceÆs you hear about during archaeology. Passive shield tanking guide click here
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:46:00 - [114] As I said, if they have enough ships on the field, the Caldari are just as good, or better, in PvP in comparison to the other races. Its when the numbers are too small and they don't have enough of certain specific ships that the Caldari show their weaknesses. And according to the current RP situation, the Caldari have the most up-to-date navy. The Gallente are still relying on the old ships they made decades ago. They have more ships, but not as many high-tech powerful ships. The Amarr have the largest navy, but they don't have an emperor. That works against them. The Minmatar are barely remaining independent. They could probably harass the Ammatar or Amarr just fine, but in an all-out four-way clusterfsck the Minmatar would not beat the other factions. It all boils down to whether or not the Caldari can maintain and/or increase their numbers. --- Join BH-DL Skills
KoriBaka Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:22:00 - [115] Well Caldari always had better ships than gallente, look at the backstory, Joves gave pod technology to the Caldari so the Gallente massacre, "hi orbital bombardment" (not good at genocide aye?) When the going gets tough the drones get going. It is also likely the Caldari would launch the first move, in defence of course, Minnies and Amarr would most likely dedicate their wars against each other, and as amarr steam rolls over the minmatar republic, another rebellion will occur which requires dire need of quelling for the amarrians. Gallente seem to be enjoying a period of economic boom. Peace with all the nations means trade with all the nations, something caldari also enjoys. In the idea Minmatar and Amarr goto war both Gallante and Caldari would be hesitant to dedicate to the war. however Gallante would severely subsidise and aid the minmatars anyway way they could, of course without causing a 2v2 empire war. As for the pirate factions and so, it is likely they would be offered amnesties and paid to help support their brothers of a gone age. As with most times, pirates were soldiers who went out of work due to peace, And in times of struggling and suffering we would see more privateer actions. Or on a completely different note, the Rogue Drone infestation turns out to be a con, they never went rogue and are following the plans and orders of their creators from the very beginning. Or the Jovians come in and aid the flailing side with a serious boost to technology which no one could of foreseen which changes the tide and again the status quo is met.
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:22:00 - [116] Minmatar. Because CCP are like, the descendants of Vikings, and Minmatar are like, Space Vikings... 'nuff said. ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Kavol Valarius Amarr Unity of Honor Legion of Honor	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:30:00 - [117] Originally by: Tasuric Orka Originally by: Kavol Valarius Roleplay wise? The Amarr, without question. Well.. unless there was still no unifying Emperor and the Empire devolved into multiple civil wars. Any major war would ruin the galaxy though, with whole planets being stripmined for raw materials. The victors would have very little left to rule over. Pff, you'd say that judging by your sig, race and corporation. Erm.. er.. puts cloth over his sig and wears an eyepiece Amarr? No, no Amarr here. Just us Caldari. -----
Dahin Maza Nostra oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.12.13 22:12:00 - [118] who would win? Me ofc. Ooooh, you mean race? Well, I am caldari born that exclusively flies gallente ships that bear guns, but I am 99% of my pvp time in a minmatar ship. Please note lack of any mention to amarr. Not by mistake Why fly covops? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0WOIwlXE9g

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