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Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:00:00 - [91] Originally by: Banana Torres Democracies don't lose wars. They can field a large, well motivated armies. They generally don't start wars (u listening Tony), but if they are provoked they will fight hard. So the decendents of the cheese eating surrender monkeys will win. I usually like your comments Banana, but did you copy this off a textbook of a sort? No, vote Caldari while your drones are still home safe :)
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:11:00 - [92] Originally by: Gosh Krux "If the Caldari want to kill the Minnie, the Minnie would die." Kind of like the US saying that the war in Iraq would be swift? Just another example of ****ed off people screwing up larger nation's plans. No I'm NOT trying to get a real-world political conversation going, I'm merely using it as a current example of a juggernaut state thinking they could impose their will on a smaller state, only to find out that guerilla tactics and people with chips on their shoulder can stick a rather big stick in the cogs. Just becuase the Caldari Navy is massive doesn't really mean anything, unless they can get into fleet-to-fleet warfare. Again, as Iraq teaches us, if your enemy doesn't play by your rules, the power-hammer is useless. If the Minnies come at the Caldari in small groups, and play the hide and seek game, the the Caldari's massive fleets are going to be sitting around looking for large fights that will never happen. If I would you I'd just shut up and go read comic books.. You fail!
Avel Kereka Amarr The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:12:00 - [93] Originally by: Banana Torres Democracies don't lose wars. They can field a large, well motivated armies. They generally don't start wars (u listening Tony), but if they are provoked they will fight hard. So the decendents of the cheese eating surrender monkeys will win. Democracies don't lose wars? A classic case is Athens getting owned by Sparta. Germany also would've gotten quite a bit further if they had remained allies with Russia (also non-democratic). Democracies actually suck at war but are good at the numbers game which is why they've won in recent history. As far as EVE is concerned, they don't have the numbers or the technology to outmatch an Amarr/Caldari alliance.
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:12:00 - [94] Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow I'm taking second thoughts on Gallente winning. Because as it stands, every tech 2 ship I have seen (especially Assault Frigs and HACs) has [hugely] increased resistances to Kinetic and Thermal, the only damage that Gallente deal because their drones deal thermal, and their Blasters can only deal Kinetic and Thermal, even if there is a lot of it. In a fleet war. I'd see Caldari jamming everyone, which is like win straight away. I'd probably sooner or later see Amarr TDing everyone (which doesn't help Gallente since they fight up close for the most part). I'd see Minmatar speed tanking pretty much everything, and using hit and run tactics to gain and advantage on anyone. Then Gallente would probably be flying around with masses of fighters. Also, someone earlier said that if a war broke out, all stargates would be shut down. But why? I can see if Caldari declared war on Amarr, then Amarr could easily just win by closing down all their old stargates in that area. But if there was a war between Gallente and Caldari, why would they cut themselves off from each other? Drones can deal any type of damage. The populace of the Gallente is also very large and if they and the Minmatar join forces it would be a slaughter. The Matari do not care about the Caldari because they cannot maintain a lock for more than 2 seconds at a time with their immense speed. The Gallente can blow them out of space so fast the Caldari will not know what happened and meanwhile the Caldari lack a ship that has any sort of teeth so no one else has anything to fear from them. +++++++++++++++ I saw the Sign...! O.o
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:14:00 - [95] The biggest and most powerfull faction will not always win, remember vietnam ?
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:17:00 - [96] Originally by: ZerKar Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow I'm taking second thoughts on Gallente winning. Because as it stands, every tech 2 ship I have seen (especially Assault Frigs and HACs) has [hugely] increased resistances to Kinetic and Thermal, the only damage that Gallente deal because their drones deal thermal, and their Blasters can only deal Kinetic and Thermal, even if there is a lot of it. In a fleet war. I'd see Caldari jamming everyone, which is like win straight away. I'd probably sooner or later see Amarr TDing everyone (which doesn't help Gallente since they fight up close for the most part). I'd see Minmatar speed tanking pretty much everything, and using hit and run tactics to gain and advantage on anyone. Then Gallente would probably be flying around with masses of fighters. Also, someone earlier said that if a war broke out, all stargates would be shut down. But why? I can see if Caldari declared war on Amarr, then Amarr could easily just win by closing down all their old stargates in that area. But if there was a war between Gallente and Caldari, why would they cut themselves off from each other? Drones can deal any type of damage. The populace of the Gallente is also very large and if they and the Minmatar join forces it would be a slaughter. The Matari do not care about the Caldari because they cannot maintain a lock for more than 2 seconds at a time with their immense speed. The Gallente can blow them out of space so fast the Caldari will not know what happened and meanwhile the Caldari lack a ship that has any sort of teeth so no one else has anything to fear from them. I'd very much like to see any ship firing while jammed but Caldari and Khanid (loyal to Amarr), oh wait those two would be allies.. heh.. oopsie.. there go all the rest, speed shmeed, and blasters mlasters, and drones shmrones Hurray for happy pills :) Victoryyyy :) now on to some minmatar slave girls and gallente ****s.. :D
Sky Grunthor Minmatar Core Element	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:22:00 - [97] The caldari would not win, neither would the ammar. They are too close minded. Pure military and numerical might does not mean they will win. As a race they only know the one way to fight. Throw hardware and numbers. Gallente and Minmitar know many ways to fight. Or lets put it this way. Ammar/Caldari know how to blob. Gallente/Minmitar know how to war. Blobs can only win when you play by blob tacktics. Warrior win by changeing tacticks to fit the situation. Of course I'm basing this of of what I read in Eve Lore about the races them selves. And this is not taking into account any player contribution which of course brings the entire theory down on its own head. Search: Sky Grunthor
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:30:00 - [98] Edited by: Carniflex on 13/12/2007 19:30:16 Originally by: Sky Grunthor Ammar/Caldari know how to blob. Gallente/Minmitar know how to war. Blob would win as your strategic locations are fixsed in space (unless you can somehow move your population centers around). If your population centers are getting nuked from orbit then you either fight RIGHT THEN or you soon don't have anything to fight for. That is assuming all out kill or be killed war ofc.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar Core Element	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:42:00 - [99] Edited by: Sky Grunthor on 13/12/2007 19:42:11 Originally by: Carniflex Edited by: Carniflex on 13/12/2007 19:30:16 Originally by: Sky Grunthor Ammar/Caldari know how to blob. Gallente/Minmitar know how to war. Blob would win as your strategic locations are fixsed in space (unless you can somehow move your population centers around). If your population centers are getting nuked from orbit then you either fight RIGHT THEN or you soon don't have anything to fight for. That is assuming all out kill or be killed war ofc. super capital into blobed system. fire super weapon. Blob is gone. warrior wins. They changed tactics to fight the blob. they did not fight the blob on the blobs terms. Search: Sky Grunthor
Dors Venabily	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:46:00 - [100] Originally by: Gosh Krux "If the Caldari want to kill the Minnie, the Minnie would die." Kind of like the US saying that the war in Iraq would be swift? Just another example of **ed off people screwing up larger nation's plans. No I'm NOT trying to get a real-world political conversation going, I'm merely using it as a current example of a juggernaut state thinking they could impose their will on a smaller state, only to find out that guerilla tactics and people with chips on their shoulder can stick a rather big stick in the cogs. Just becuase the Caldari Navy is massive doesn't really mean anything, unless they can get into fleet-to-fleet warfare. Again, as Iraq teaches us, if your enemy doesn't play by your rules, the power-hammer is useless. If the Minnies come at the Caldari in small groups, and play the hide and seek game, the the Caldari's massive fleets are going to be sitting around looking for large fights that will never happen. As far drawing comparison if threat is big even democracies get stomach for mass genocide Allies baked 40 000 ppl alive in dresden in one night so the point of iraq as ed off ppl over weapons. The Iraquis are doing urban warfare because US are playing nice in all out war US would just anihillate the cities remove the Urban part of lands cape and kill everything that moves. Hence in BS war for money **ed off ppl win in war of survival if the other side takes off the white gloves you dead.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:47:00 - [101] Originally by: Sky Grunthor super capital into blobed system. fire super weapon. Blob is gone. warrior wins. They changed tactics to fight the blob. they did not fight the blob on the blobs terms. It is not quite working in current big wars nor will it work in factional warfare. Well unless it has enough firepower to kill planets (to insta pop dreadnaughts) in whitch case both sides would be just nuking each other with superweapons and after nuclear winter passes only cokroaches will survive.
Tashiell Gao Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:48:00 - [102] Originally by: Nito Musashi Since the amarr and caldari are already in bed together running slaves etc, they would be side by side. last time i checked with my superoir, we are against slave trading. caldari have no major conflicts with minmatar republic at the moment, only gallent. but enermy's enermy is my friend so amarr is our friend, and enermy's enermy's enermy (or our enermy's friend) is also our enermy, but no much hatrad for it, just pure political. minmatar would win, because it has the least number of enermies. which is only amarr Tashiell Gao, Minmatar in-side, RolePlayer.
Anya Sardukar	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:48:00 - [103] An Amarr/Caldari alliance would probably prevail ultimately. Caldari have the technology for precision strikes to weak points, and Amarr bring big, sloppy hits and the massive logistics source. Sometimes numbers DO matter, especially when there's rough technological parity. Gallente are noted to have an undersized navy, and the Minmatar are pretty heavily divided by tribal factions. The award for tactics will probably go to the Minmatar, but I seriously doubt clever thinking alone will overcome the Amarr and Caldari, particularly not if Khanid and Ammatar throw in on the Amarr/Caldari side.
Doctor Fruitloop	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:49:00 - [104] Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: Sky Grunthor super capital into blobed system. fire super weapon. Blob is gone. warrior wins. They changed tactics to fight the blob. they did not fight the blob on the blobs terms. It is not quite working in current big wars nor will it work in factional warfare. Well unless it has enough firepower to kill planets (to insta pop dreadnaughts) in whitch case both sides would be just nuking each other with superweapons and after nuclear winter passes only cokroaches will survive. Detonate a DDD in the atmosphere. War on Earth is dictated by nuking someone the fallout will come to you due to the sharing the same biosphere/atmosphere. In game, nothing stops them eradicating planets.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar Core Element	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:51:00 - [105] Edited by: Sky Grunthor on 13/12/2007 19:51:44 Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: Sky Grunthor super capital into blobed system. fire super weapon. Blob is gone. warrior wins. They changed tactics to fight the blob. they did not fight the blob on the blobs terms. It is not quite working in current big wars nor will it work in factional warfare. Well unless it has enough firepower to kill planets (to insta pop dreadnaughts) in whitch case both sides would be just nuking each other with superweapons and after nuclear winter passes only Minmitar will survive. Minmitar WIN! see you said it. :p fixed that for you :D Search: Sky Grunthor
Dors Venabily	Posted - 2007.12.13 19:52:00 - [106] oh yeah and gallente wins really ppl you think that gallente are going to be sitting by and keep their fleet undersized while politial tensions mount ? No they goingt reinstate the war mode of production make zillion drones fit all their ships with eccm and this time they ill not be held back by incompetent regime that allowed the caldari to escape in first place
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:04:00 - [107] Originally by: OOOSOOO Jove They donÆt stand a chance. They donÆt have the numbers or technology. One would think the more advance race(s) would interfere if the Jove joined into a full scale war. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Disteeler Segunda Fundacion	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:09:00 - [108] Edited by: Disteeler on 13/12/2007 20:09:39 Will is key in wars. Amarrian and minmatar cause, will and determination is so strong in them I'm sure they will be the finalists in the battle. Sig by Black Necris
Anya Sardukar	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:11:00 - [109] Originally by: Dors Venabily oh yeah and gallente wins really ppl you think that gallente are going to be sitting by and keep their fleet undersized while politial tensions mount ? Meanwhile, the other superpowers who can see war coming will not swell the ranks of their already-numerically-superior fleets at all. Nope, they certainly won't do that.
Jasese The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:34:00 - [110] Like has been said before, Minmatar. No race can kill a minmatar ship exept a minmatar one.
OOOSOOO Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:38:00 - [111] Originally by: Pottsey Originally by: OOOSOOO Jove They donÆt stand a chance. They donÆt have the numbers or technology. One would think the more advance race(s) would interfere if the Jove joined into a full scale war. Well, considering the Jovian ships would be flown by Devs, everyone would get annihilated. What do you mean by a more advanced race? BoB? hiccup
Stuart Price Caldari Havoc Inc	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:39:00 - [112] Caldari - even outnumbered as long as they pump out Scorpions like crazy. 1 scorp vs any other bs = stalemate unless jam cycles fail a lot. 10 scorps vs 10 other bs's = permajam enemy fleet and focus fire means tank becomes largely redundant. Eagles and cerbs force speed-tanks to abandon the battlefield. Crow tackles everything that's jammed. Rooks and Falcons take up the slack from the scorps. Basilisks float around and spidertank scorps that fail their jam cycles. Enemy fleet commanders fit nothing but ECCM only to find the gankraven fleet dropping on their heads. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:46:00 - [113] ôWell, considering the Jovian ships would be flown by Devs, everyone would get annihilated.ö What if the devs choose to fly one of the other raceÆs like Enheduanni or Polaris? What do you mean by a more advanced race? BoB?ö Bob isnÆt a race and they are primitive as the raceÆs go. Other race's had Motherships and Titans over 150 years ago. Some perhaps over 1000 years ago. Bob and the 4 main empires only got Motherships in the past 3 years. The 4 main empires only recently got T2 stuff in the past few years. But older race's had T2 and beyound 1000's of years ago. Polaris is an empire to the right of the Jove and they appear to have better technology then the Jove. Enheduanni are another race we know are far more advance then the Jove and the reason the Jove pulled out of empire space. Then there are the long lost raceÆs like the Yan Jung who 1000Æs of years ago had technology beyond what we have now. Assuming they didnÆt die out and moved to a new region of space and are still out there. Then they will be more advance then the Jove along with all the other raceÆs you hear about during archaeology. Passive shield tanking guide click here
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.13 20:46:00 - [114] As I said, if they have enough ships on the field, the Caldari are just as good, or better, in PvP in comparison to the other races. Its when the numbers are too small and they don't have enough of certain specific ships that the Caldari show their weaknesses. And according to the current RP situation, the Caldari have the most up-to-date navy. The Gallente are still relying on the old ships they made decades ago. They have more ships, but not as many high-tech powerful ships. The Amarr have the largest navy, but they don't have an emperor. That works against them. The Minmatar are barely remaining independent. They could probably harass the Ammatar or Amarr just fine, but in an all-out four-way clusterfsck the Minmatar would not beat the other factions. It all boils down to whether or not the Caldari can maintain and/or increase their numbers. --- Join BH-DL Skills
KoriBaka Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:22:00 - [115] Well Caldari always had better ships than gallente, look at the backstory, Joves gave pod technology to the Caldari so the Gallente massacre, "hi orbital bombardment" (not good at genocide aye?) When the going gets tough the drones get going. It is also likely the Caldari would launch the first move, in defence of course, Minnies and Amarr would most likely dedicate their wars against each other, and as amarr steam rolls over the minmatar republic, another rebellion will occur which requires dire need of quelling for the amarrians. Gallente seem to be enjoying a period of economic boom. Peace with all the nations means trade with all the nations, something caldari also enjoys. In the idea Minmatar and Amarr goto war both Gallante and Caldari would be hesitant to dedicate to the war. however Gallante would severely subsidise and aid the minmatars anyway way they could, of course without causing a 2v2 empire war. As for the pirate factions and so, it is likely they would be offered amnesties and paid to help support their brothers of a gone age. As with most times, pirates were soldiers who went out of work due to peace, And in times of struggling and suffering we would see more privateer actions. Or on a completely different note, the Rogue Drone infestation turns out to be a con, they never went rogue and are following the plans and orders of their creators from the very beginning. Or the Jovians come in and aid the flailing side with a serious boost to technology which no one could of foreseen which changes the tide and again the status quo is met.
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:22:00 - [116] Minmatar. Because CCP are like, the descendants of Vikings, and Minmatar are like, Space Vikings... 'nuff said. ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Kavol Valarius Amarr Unity of Honor Legion of Honor	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:30:00 - [117] Originally by: Tasuric Orka Originally by: Kavol Valarius Roleplay wise? The Amarr, without question. Well.. unless there was still no unifying Emperor and the Empire devolved into multiple civil wars. Any major war would ruin the galaxy though, with whole planets being stripmined for raw materials. The victors would have very little left to rule over. Pff, you'd say that judging by your sig, race and corporation. Erm.. er.. puts cloth over his sig and wears an eyepiece Amarr? No, no Amarr here. Just us Caldari. -----
Dahin Maza Nostra oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.12.13 22:12:00 - [118] who would win? Me ofc. Ooooh, you mean race? Well, I am caldari born that exclusively flies gallente ships that bear guns, but I am 99% of my pvp time in a minmatar ship. Please note lack of any mention to amarr. Not by mistake Why fly covops? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0WOIwlXE9g

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