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Zanarkand Gallente Enterprise Estonia	Posted - 2007.12.15 15:12:00 - [121] Can't blame SK who say "killboard stats = lol", that is just standard 0.0 game mechanics. It just shows you don't have be strong pvp alliance to hold space, you just need friends to repel small corps/alliances from taking over your space. If ER ever attacked their poses, SK would just play the 1) timezone card or 2) northern coalition help card.
Moloc Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 16:02:00 - [122] Originally by: Zanarkand If ER ever attacked their poses, SK would just play the 1) timezone card or 2) northern coalition help card. I think we just need to play the, hey guys, someone shot a POS card. The last time we played the timezone card was when smash and r0adkill were fighting, MM/Razor/D2/Pure and E-R.... That was over a year ago and we had about 400 members combined then. We've never played the northern coalition help card, nice to know it's there. Infact the only alliances that have ever tried to put a POSs in our space, no longer exist. E-R, D2, Anarchy Empire.... Friends are for when you are fighting groups of alliances, like M.Pire/Fatal/CoW etc etc etc. They have friends, you have friends. He who has the most wins.
Peanut Swsh Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 16:09:00 - [123] Edited by: Peanut Swsh on 15/12/2007 16:09:51 Originally by: Moloc Infact the only alliances that have ever tried to put a POSs in our space, no longer exist. E-R, D2, Anarchy Empire.... Thats because only idiots in fail alliances would ever want to live in Geminate (AKA Armpit of EVE). Wait.. what? But that suits us, seeing as SMASH and RoadKILL have been dead alliances for as long as I can remember.
McFly Path of Light R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 16:13:00 - [124] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Tobias Sjodin In our case most likely his corp, alliance, or in the best case CCP - where he will leave the corp, the alliance, or the game respectively. Ultimately, we're rid of the problem. Unfortunately, when one leaves - there's always some joker to replace him, with 50 million eBayed skillpoints. Thats some tough love you teaching in Smashkill. BWF is always fun to visit, you can always catch a slow guy or two before they gang up with an overwhelming force. Not complaining about blobs btw...you are defending, and you drive us off But please, can some of directors look at loss mails..and post them Several of your pilots seem to be ashamed of their losses. A small example is this attempted gank on my bait ship...not one of those losses are on your board, and pretty much none of them from our current little war dec against you. It's fun to fight you anyways, and nice to see some familiar faces again. Brosef, we've been reworking the RK Killboard due to the parser not working on the new Killmail system and the KB admin had been away for the last few weeks. So we've setup a new board but it isn't 100% operational yet. -- --my opinions do not reflect that of my corp nor my alliance--
HellsRazor Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 16:23:00 - [125] Edited by: HellsRazor on 15/12/2007 16:23:49 Originally by: Zanarkand Can't blame SK who say "killboard stats = lol", that is just standard 0.0 game mechanics. It just shows you don't have be strong pvp alliance to hold space, you just need friends to repel small corps/alliances from taking over your space. If ER ever attacked their poses, SK would just play the 1) timezone card or 2) northern coalition help card. Go ahead and try taken our space then.... you'll find out the hard way of how much pvp force SmashKILLas Inc have for that A$$.
Morn Judith Caldari Incognito Inc	Posted - 2007.12.15 16:58:00 - [126] I typically avoid posting in here like that girl with a rash, but I've got a little something to comment on. SMASHKILL is saying that we're a "rash on the behind" of a "superior" alliance. Why, then, did this topic evoke such a passionate response from so many SMASHKILL members? This post is mostly SMASHKILL pilots saying that same thing over, and over. If it weren't such a big deal, then the majority of the alliance members would feel that it's not worth it to comment on. Posting so often and with such intensity makes an alliance look like it needs some morale boosting, a "pep talk" of some sort. (Disclaimer: I'm not trying to say that the ENJ group is responsible for the destruction of morale, only that the problem is more real than the SMASHKILL members are making out to be.) Originally by: Tarminic I WANT A THRONE MADE OF MY OWN CORPSES.
Peanut Swsh Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 17:10:00 - [127] Originally by: Morn Judith I typically avoid posting in here like that girl with a rash, but I've got a little something to comment on. SMASHKILL is saying that we're a "rash on the behind" of a "superior" alliance. Why, then, did this topic evoke such a passionate response from so many SMASHKILL members? This post is mostly SMASHKILL pilots saying that same thing over, and over. If it weren't such a big deal, then the majority of the alliance members would feel that it's not worth it to comment on. Posting so often and with such intensity makes an alliance look like it needs some morale boosting, a "pep talk" of some sort. (Disclaimer: I'm not trying to say that the ENJ group is responsible for the destruction of morale, only that the problem is more real than the SMASHKILL members are making out to be.) Cause we wanna be cool on the forums like dem goons. Fact is that everything happening here, from the engagements in BWF, to the forum posts is a mirror image of what happens everytime a hostile group decide to do what you guys are doing, from INFOD to MD-K and all the others inbetween. And sorry you haven't hurt our moral, MD-K and INFOD didn't and they are much better PvPers then you guys (dunno about INFOD these days actually). Thou I must admit, there are some noobs who always cry because you ganked them, but to the most of us, its welcome comedy to an otherwise boring intel channel :)
Bashiri Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 17:48:00 - [128] If you want to see something funny look at my bio. It was someone crying in the intel channel about how he got ganked my privateer alliance. So dam funny.
John Blackthorn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 18:07:00 - [129] First I have to say props to E.R. No doubt you have gotten numerous ganks. I'm not sure about the freighter and carrier kills that were reported however. I know of one freighter that was killed in low sec and the loss of the gang that was protecting that freighter. And my loss of a single carrier in bwf (Roadkill). No taking away the effect of a carrier kill, and it happend like this. I had just formed up a gang of ten, we had a report of 7 e.r. gathering in Airaken. I warped my carrier and damnation to the gate expecting the rest of the members to join me. I"m just about to warp off the gate when e.r. jump in and engage. Then about twenty neutrals jump in to assist e.r. that we hadn't previously seen. I call for backup from other systems. Just as I hit armor (armor tanked) I get reminded that all the jump bridges were down. (doh! I forgot about that. I got offered to have several more carriers jump in to assist, however I said no. Because without our support fleet it would cause us to loose more than just my carrier in my opinion. I also knew my carrier was fully insured and only had two weeks of insurance left on it. So that was that.. they got a carrier kill and I got a new carrier in build :P -John
zykerx Lo0nEy To0nS R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 19:33:00 - [130] so ya saying me talking here is because of bad moral and thats thx to e-r and whoever ? uhm i yust arived in bwf today after not beeing there for months so yeah i must be rly ****ed ya guys camping that system o.0... ooh wait... mayby we yust want to chitchat in eve-o and there no other threads to doitin, always funn how some crazy k/b lovers think they colapsing oure alliance rk isnt the best pvp alliance were a big bad choatic mess, thats how we loveit . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.12.15 19:46:00 - [131] Well no, you're respondng to some random alt troll who trolled conflicts in several regions in addition to this one. We got sidetracked talking here at all because someone made claims about ENH in the thread. No ENH or ENH friendly claimed to be breaking your alliance, stealing your candy, or doing much other than killing some guys in the area. PVP group, NBSI, in the area... you get the idea. It blatantly ignores the fact that there are several other PVP groups around (Multiversal Enterprises, PODU, The Establishment, Stimulus (probably not NBSI but Smashkill pirates), etc...) that also run NBSI, kill people, and occasionally camp BWF for kicks and giggles. The only thing that amplified random ganking in your area into something more personal was the fact that a 1500 man alliance decided to wardec the smallest corp that was hanging out with us. That strikes me as pretty uncivil, so we dropped a wardec to support our friends and now instead of us just ganking local idiots RK has invited us to also gank their empire visitors. Thanks!
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 21:36:00 - [132] Originally by: Morn Judith I typically avoid posting in here like that girl with a rash, but I've got a little something to comment on. SMASHKILL is saying that we're a "rash on the behind" of a "superior" alliance. Why, then, did this topic evoke such a passionate response from so many SMASHKILL members? This post is mostly SMASHKILL pilots saying that same thing over, and over. If it weren't such a big deal, then the majority of the alliance members would feel that it's not worth it to comment on. Posting so often and with such intensity makes an alliance look like it needs some morale boosting, a "pep talk" of some sort. (Disclaimer: I'm not trying to say that the ENJ group is responsible for the destruction of morale, only that the problem is more real than the SMASHKILL members are making out to be.) the average smash/roadkill thread reachs 10 pages in what, 24 hours? Hell the ra /dmc pet thread was longer than this after like an hour, and that barely affected us. So ya we're really hitting the forums hard to pep us up lulz. Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:06:00 - [133] i agree with graalum, this is a sub-par NAST thread. We need a better one. Peoke make an announcement I driks lot signature removed- Jacques([email protected])
Shadow Mancer Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.17 15:18:00 - [134] Peanut is homosexual
Shadow Mancer Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.17 15:20:00 - [135] Originally by: HellsRazor Edited by: HellsRazor on 15/12/2007 16:23:49 Originally by: Zanarkand Can't blame SK who say "killboard stats = lol", that is just standard 0.0 game mechanics. It just shows you don't have be strong pvp alliance to hold space, you just need friends to repel small corps/alliances from taking over your space. If ER ever attacked their poses, SK would just play the 1) timezone card or 2) northern coalition help card. Go ahead and try taken our space then.... you'll find out the hard way of how much pvp force SmashKILLas Inc have for that A$$. NAGLFAR READY FOR BATTLE I'm so gonna lose it to strange ganks
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.12.17 15:59:00 - [136] Taking space is boring. Ganking freighters and carriers and stuffs is much more fun. Do you really want pos battles?
Maximor Fifth Exiled Legion SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 16:13:00 - [137] Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom I did not create this thread to flame anyone including smashkill. I'm curious, if this wasn't your intent, what was? To bring to the light the fact that BWF is infrequently camped by various people other then Smashkill? Maybe it was to earn a pat on the back for your ability to blow things up? Or perhaps it was to show that you are capable of camping a zero sec entry point of which there are so (sarcasm) few in the game. Or is it possible that your little escapades are nothing more than a blip in the geminate region let alone Smashkill as a whole, and you are looking for more fame and notoriety than you deserve? When we want something moved, oddly enough, BWF seems to clear of campers. In all reality, very few people are willing to stand in their camps once real opposition arises. Perhaps if you had actually held BWF for any meaningful amount of time, your posts would mean more. However, it does bring to light that BWF is camped alot. Perhaps if there were some other way of moving goods and material from low sec into zero sec and back again. Some way to "jump" equipment over long distances. Maybe if there was a class or classes of ships that existed with "jump drives" and large cargo holds. But that's just crazy talk! Who would ever think of or use something like that? If you hold a unix shell up to your ear, can you still hear the c: ?
Bashiri Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:26:00 - [138] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio Taking space is boring. Ganking freighters and carriers and stuffs is much more fun. Do you really want pos battles? You my good sire have not seen smack plese log in game to found out.
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:44:00 - [139] Originally by: Rathkan Can someone explain to me why it's even in our best interest to post lossmails? It gives you intel on who is doing damage to your alliance, where and when they typically attack. Not to mention you can glean why type of ships your enemy tends to fly and can surmise fits based upon that intel. It allows your FC's to put together reasonable plans to counter your enemy, based on facts rather than speculation and assumptions. It also allows your leadership to understand who is participating in your space's defense, what type of hardware they bring to the battle, and who really should stay docked. All of this information is generally valued to those who take a thoughtful approach to pvp...of course it might hurt certain pilots respective E-Peen, so you need to do a careful balance of intel, vs sensitivity to posting losses... On an alliance level, it also helps those who care to understand who is working hard to defend your space, and who the complete and utter leeches are. You will find the leeches typically don't want to post losses, as they are only ever killed in ratting/mining ships...while those who truly fight and earn their space will be found mainly in pvp ships...so generally those who pvp post losses, as they understand we all lose ships, big deal...those who carebear, and leech...well...they never ever want to post losses... So why doesn't much of Smash want to post losses?? Why is Roadkill so much better at posting losses?? I know if I were a Smash pvper these are questions I would want answered...but then Peoke would kick me for asking these questions...because no one is allowed to question the mighty Peoke!!! Are KM's all there is to this game? Clearly not, but they do provide important tactical information...
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:48:00 - [140] Quote: All of this information is generally valued to those who take a thoughtful approach to pvp.. Stop right there, we don't want that.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:57:00 - [141] Wes speaks the truth. We are very strict about posting loss mails for all the reasons he listed. Some people use KBs to chest beat and if that is your cup of tea, thats fine I guess. The reality is they give you invaluable information on things that can shape change in your corp/alliance to make you that much more effective. To each their own. Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
Crackzilla The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 21:56:00 - [142] Edited by: ***zilla on 17/12/2007 21:57:54 Originally by: Wesley Baird It gives you intel on who is doing damage to your alliance, ... intel... Not to mention ... intel ... and can surmise ... intel. It allows your FC's ... intel Most of which is gathered in the intel channel or by watching the pew pew for a day or two. The typical uses for killboards within an alliance is watching the action from work, googling a hostile pilot to see what they fly (so kind for the other alliance to provide this intel), and whining about missing a hauler kill with a t2 bpo. Oh, and chestbeating on coad. If others are going to all the effort to do the work for us, why should we? Originally by: Wesley Baird who is participating ..of hardware ... should stay docked. More the merrier. What disturbs me is how killboards encourage a culture of where k/d ratio is king. It prevents experimentation (cept for sisi) as peeps feel getting popped with a different setup is like getting caught by the wife wearing her underwear again. If someone can afford to lose something, why shouldn't they do so in style? When someone gets on TS and yells that they're drunk and they're going to suicide a carrier tonight, who am I to stop them? I'd rather have fun then worry about a cap loss tarnishing my k/d ratio. Originally by: Wesley Baird ...working hard to defend your space,... utter leeches are. .. leeches typically don't want to post losses, It shows who participates in gate camps and roams with nano ships. Been there, done that, still a lot of fun. It ignores support roles and encourages folks to bring dps versus the cov ops/logistics/webber thats absolutely needed. Every alliance has leeches. If they get popped, do I care? This is something that needs to be done at the corp level. One corps leech may be the ratting alt of a pvp'er thats sitting on a boring gate camp. The greatest value I see in killboards is who participates, and who can't be bothered to check intel channels. It doesn't require accurate killboards to figure this out. Originally by: Wesley Baird So why doesn't much of Smash want to post losses?? Because killmails don't really matter? We're bad enough about posting our kills. There are some processes in place to sync some of the killboards which is why I think anything gets updated. With the recent changes I don't think most know where the killboard is much less the password. Not worrying about the killboard takes the drama out. Oh. and tldr ^^^^.
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.17 22:05:00 - [143] Originally by: *****zilla Most of which is gathered in the intel channel or by watching the pew pew for a day or two. I rather have a hard historical record to follow, rather than the musings from an intel channel...which we both know is more than full of errors... How many time have you seen "OMG BWF is camped by 20 hostiles!!!!!" when the reality is, it was 8 guys...and 4 of them were ceptors.... Personally Im glad Smash doesnt post losses, it explains why your tactics havent evolved at all...but to deny that this information would be of use to someone say of the caliber of Scooter, is to deny reality! Fortunately for him, he reads the Roadkill KB...
Crackzilla The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 22:19:00 - [144] Edited by: ***zilla on 17/12/2007 22:26:16 Originally by: Wesley Baird ... RK kb has the same issues. tbh, I think you're the only one getting into a twist over this. And the only one that feels compelled to post in every smashkill thread.
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.17 22:33:00 - [145] Edited by: Wesley Baird on 17/12/2007 22:33:26 Originally by: *****zilla RK kb has the same issues. tbh, I think you're the only one getting into a twist over this. And the only one that feels compelled to post in every smashkill thread. Yes I do...its because I love you so much!!!!! My eve life would not be complete without hearing from my one true loves in the game...Smash... BTW much better to side-track a reasonable discussion with personal smacks...but hey, its the Smashkill way!
Boom ChickaBoom Caldari Friendly Pod Poppers	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:38:00 - [146] Originally by: Maximor Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom I did not create this thread to flame anyone including smashkill. I'm curious, if this wasn't your intent, what was? To bring to the light the fact that BWF is infrequently camped by various people other then Smashkill? Maybe it was to earn a pat on the back for your ability to blow things up? Or perhaps it was to show that you are capable of camping a zero sec entry point of which there are so (sarcasm) few in the game. Or is it possible that your little escapades are nothing more than a blip in the geminate region let alone Smashkill as a whole, and you are looking for more fame and notoriety than you deserve? When we want something moved, oddly enough, BWF seems to clear of campers. In all reality, very few people are willing to stand in their camps once real opposition arises. Perhaps if you had actually held BWF for any meaningful amount of time, your posts would mean more. However, it does bring to light that BWF is camped alot. Perhaps if there were some other way of moving goods and material from low sec into zero sec and back again. Some way to "jump" equipment over long distances. Maybe if there was a class or classes of ships that existed with "jump drives" and large cargo holds. But that's just crazy talk! Who would ever think of or use something like that? Maximor, I thought you only used your carriers to belt rat and your freighters to haul stuff through low sec unescorted. For someone who cares so little about loss as you, dont reply here. As far as my original post most of my questions were answered rather accuratly by peanut swsh. I did not say anything about posting loss mails or any K/D stats i was just wondering why you would all consider that much damage being done to you guys as a little rash that needs to be scratched.
Peoke Caldari Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:40:00 - [147] i dont need a kb to track my members. i look at gang chat in foutain to show me whos where we say to be. as for bwf for over 2 years theres been orders fron not bother to do it if you want. how many times do you see the regular fcs leading the defence gangs of bwf. the times i see that is when thread like this start and the your out blobing us threads.
Dez Affinity Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:43:00 - [148] Originally by: Wesley Baird So why doesn't much of Smash want to post losses?? Why is Roadkill so much better at posting losses?? I know if I were a Smash pvper these are questions I would want answered...but then Peoke would kick me for asking these questions...because no one is allowed to question the mighty Peoke!!! Peoke spells the password wrong and no one is able to guess it. Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom I did not say anything about posting loss mails or any K/D stats i was just wondering why you would all consider that much damage being done to you guys as a little rash that needs to be scratched. It's the same reason billionaires are like lolsowut when they drop a dollar. A dollar to a man with only ten to his name is a lot. Now I'm not saying smashkill is rich, but I am saying that it's just a percentage of a whole number. Originally by: Wesley Baird BTW much better to side-track a reasonable discussion with personal smacks...but hey, its the Smashkill way! Can I hire you to escort my badger mark 1 through bwf plx? _______________
Moloc Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.18 00:14:00 - [149] Originally by: Wesley Baird I rather have a hard historical record to follow, rather than the musings from an intel channel...which we both know is more than full of errors... How many time have you seen "OMG BWF is camped by 20 hostiles!!!!!" when the reality is, it was 8 guys...and 4 of them were ceptors.... Yes, and the other 12 didn't get on any mails. To claim that killmails are hard historical record is to deny what they are. They show kills, they don't show anything else. They don't show who was there and didn't get on any mails, they don't show mails that were lost to NPCs, they don't show as we so frequently come up against, foes who self destruct rather than give that 'oh so important' mail. The best time I've used a killboard is when people log off in our space, I go to their killboard and look at their carefully posted mails to work out what ship they were in. I can then quickly scan them down when they log back in, hours later, even if I wasn't at the original battle. I've killed dozens and dozens of people that way (10 over the course of a few hours as they logged in and were proved down). TBH providing your enemies with that info is rather foolish. But e-peen must prevail, even if it leads to further losses. The reason, we think activities in BWF are not significant, is because we've been in this space for well over a year, we have seen it. For the first few months the whole space and stations were held by hostile alliances. We've had Cruel Intentions, INFOD, Euphoria Released and other significant alliances have a go at us there, and we still came out of it stronger than before. So excuse us if we think that this is exactly the same, but even less of a threat. Posting losses is fine if it gains you intel, but if your board is publically available, you can be sure it will be used against you at least as often as it is used helpfully, kills as well as losses. You wouldn't know how many hostile forces I've tracked and avoided by looking at 'their' killboards. If you're a mercenary corp, and trying to sell your services, killboards are indispensible. Otherwise, you're just showing part of the picture, and more often than not showing it to people you don't want to see it.

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