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Boom ChickaBoom Caldari Friendly Pod Poppers	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:10:00 - [1] Edited by: Boom ChickaBoom on 13/12/2007 21:10:52 I have heard reports that Einherjar Rising have been camping the entry point to your 0.0 space every night for the last week. The reports claim that they completly locked off the system to smashkill and its allies meeting little to no resistance. One night the my sources reported 3 carrier kills and 2 freighter kills at the hands of Einherjar Rising. Please comfirm if this is all true and if so why smashkill is not flexing some muscle and doing anything about it. Best regards Boom ChickaBoom CEO
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:13:00 - [2] guys guys, my sources ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Ramlir 0.0 Corp	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:20:00 - [3] If you had several independant sources tell you it doesn't need confirmation. More likely your nobody corp involved in an irrelevant section of the Eve universe needs to feel important. It's not and never will be, deal with it.
TJ17 Gallente Species 5618 R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:23:00 - [4] omg im in a smashkill thread and post with ur main btw
EadTaes Minmatar Veni Vidi Vici. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:25:00 - [5] their is more then 1 way into smashkill space. If they wanna camp in the low sec systems outside of bwf and we don't feel like taking a sec hit we will just keep doing our merry business. 0.0 Policing, Econnomic Control & NPC Agents
VoYvod Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:26:00 - [6] Edited by: VoYvod on 13/12/2007 21:27:17 Been there , done that. True story. gratz on the kills Einherjar Rising. edit: spelling
Boom ChickaBoom Caldari Friendly Pod Poppers	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:27:00 - [7] Originally by: Ramlir If you had several independant sources tell you it doesn't need confirmation. More likely your nobody corp involved in an irrelevant section of the Eve universe needs to feel important. It's not and never will be, deal with it. What makes your section of the eve universe so inportant opposed to this one? Is it because its not about BOB or Goons? Why flame a legit topic? You should crawl back into your troll cave in delve and mabee post with a main next time.
Ramlir 0.0 Corp	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom Originally by: Ramlir If you had several independant sources tell you it doesn't need confirmation. More likely your nobody corp involved in an irrelevant section of the Eve universe needs to feel important. It's not and never will be, deal with it. What makes your section of the eve universe so inportant opposed to this one? Is it because its not about BOB or Goons? Why flame a legit topic? You should crawl back into your troll cave in delve and mabee post with a main next time. I didn't begin a thread using an alt character to boast about my corp. Don't fight with your irrelevance, deal with it.
Koronos Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:34:00 - [9] Edited by: Koronos on 13/12/2007 21:36:09 The reason this is not a legit topic is not because it is not about BoB or Goons, its because if you are involved, you know the answer to the first part, if you're not involved why would anyone bother answering you on CAOD? Secondly if you are allied with Smashkill you would know the answer to the second part, if you are not why would we bother answering you on CAOD? If you have are not involved and not allied but do have a diplomatic or economic interest in this issue, please contact one of our diplomats. Edit: oh and what Voyvod said tbh
Peoke Caldari Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:34:00 - [10] so im supposed to drop everything and worry about a group who prooves time and again any fight they will run. i should waste my time with this. how about you scan smashkill killboards and notice where pvpers are in the middle of stain.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Ramlir Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom Originally by: Ramlir If you had several independant sources tell you it doesn't need confirmation. More likely your nobody corp involved in an irrelevant section of the Eve universe needs to feel important. It's not and never will be, deal with it. What makes your section of the eve universe so inportant opposed to this one? Is it because its not about BOB or Goons? Why flame a legit topic? You should crawl back into your troll cave in delve and mabee post with a main next time. I didn't begin a thread using an alt character to boast about my corp. Don't fight with your irrelevance, deal with it. posting to say hi to Ramlir ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:37:00 - [12] Woof Woof Woof. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Orbital Drift Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:39:00 - [13] SMASH is a dead alliance <<EOF
Nhoj Sllew Amarr Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:39:00 - [14] little to no resistance means whenever we get a good sized gang together they beat cheeks back to empire i'll confirm 2 of the carrier kills though, not sure why they did it but they thought it was a fun idea at the time to warp their carriers right to the gate with minimal backup I RP EWOK
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:39:00 - [15] I heard they will dissband over it on weekend
Nhoj Sllew Amarr Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:40:00 - [16] Originally by: bitters much I heard they will dissband over it on weekend ur corp recruiting? I RP EWOK
VoYvod Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.13 21:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Peoke so im supposed to drop everything and worry about a group who prooves time and again any fight they will run. i should waste my time with this. how about you scan smashkill killboards and notice where pvpers are in the middle of stain. that says it all really.
Kenion THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.13 22:06:00 - [18] Edited by: Kenion on 13/12/2007 22:06:20 Don't you know it's mandatory for everyone in SMASHKILL to go through BWF to Empire? Pfft... There is like... No other way... yeah right ----------------------------------------------
Amuko Amarr Happy Little Roid Huggers	Posted - 2007.12.13 22:07:00 - [19] NO U SUCK! Er, just getting carried away by all the flaming in CAOD lately, anyway, OP, if you're not just an alt of said corp to get attention; ''Small'' pvp corps like that can be a pain in the ass, as they can just retreat at first signs of trouble, not like Smash alliance, who will always (as long as they keep it anyway) be in that region and so using that pipe. They're picking off targets, hats off to them, they do it well, but they don't seem to engage in fun (good pvp) odds.
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.12.13 22:21:00 - [20] 3 carriers and one frieghter and all the they run when we blob **** is quite funny. if you could come up with a better tactic then that to counter the remote rep gangs then you might actually get a kill or two but most likely they will continue to operate at 90-95% effeicency against you.
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.13 22:32:00 - [21] Edited by: Wesley Baird on 13/12/2007 22:32:56 Originally by: Peoke so im supposed to drop everything and worry about a group who prooves time and again any fight they will run. i should waste my time with this. how about you scan smashkill killboards and notice where pvpers are in the middle of stain. Peoke, our rates our reasonable, if you can't handle your own security drop us a line...we are always happy to help out Carebears against the evil forces in eve...
Moloc Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.13 22:48:00 - [22] Edited by: Moloc on 13/12/2007 22:48:45 Originally by: Wesley Baird we are always happy to help out Carebears against the evil forces in eve... If we stop them from dying everytime they use an un-scouted, un-escorted freighter it will only encourage them to do it more. As for the carriers, I guess they got hit on the head pretty hard and thought they were IRC, and able to solopwn people using insured caps with no support. Keep in mind that all bridges are down, and very little of SMASHKILL live in the BWF area. No one wants to make a few dozen jumps to find a target has gone 1 jump back into highsec and logged. Myself I think I need to find a better timezone, whenever I'm on there isn't anything to shoot within 2 regions :o
BuIIseye Amarr Pax Amarria Corp	Posted - 2007.12.13 22:52:00 - [23] Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom One night the my sources reported 3 carrier kills and 2 freighter kills Originally by: Torshin 3 carriers and one frieghter and all the they run Well, what the you know ------------------------------ Yes i am hax0r Because of the name I have a higher chance of a wrecking shot, please don't tell the GM's or they'll nerf me =/
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.12.13 23:04:00 - [24] SHC actually had meaningful content on this a while back. Not much has changed since then. A number of smaller groups have been active near Geminate recently. We're one of them. We've had 9 capital kills (7 carrier, 1 dread, 1 ms - 4 of them RK) and a nice collection of other stuff. RK + allies outnumber us by a factor of about 10-1 I believe so I won't get too upset at having someone complain that we won't always stand and fight. Smack count does seem to rise the longer we've frustrated someone though. R0adkill wardec'd one of our little friends the other day. That didn't seem nice, so we dec'd them back. I enjoy empire war :) Should be fun, and hey, that's what we're all here for. See you in space.
Boom ChickaBoom Caldari Friendly Pod Poppers	Posted - 2007.12.13 23:06:00 - [25] I did not create this thread to flame anyone including smashkill. This conflict cought my eye when they killed that pure nyx in geminate. Seems like smashkill did blob the *hit out of ejn when they first showed up. I parked an alt in BWF Sunday night just to watch what was going on and what I seen was an ejn gate camp every night for hours going pretty much un challenged. I guess peoke answered that question with the bulk of the smashkill pvper's being elsewhere fighting other battles. As far as what the other smashkill guys said about there jump bridges being down and BWF not being the only system that leads into there space. I suppose it would be better moving a frieghter 30 or so jumps through 0.0 space rather then taking a fleet 12 jumps to break a gate camp.
Dracborne Mining Bytes Inc. Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.13 23:10:00 - [26] Originally by: Orbital Drift SMASH is a dead alliance <<EOF o/ Good to see you're still around. BadTequila still playing too? Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) O xein', angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti tOde keimetha tois keinon rhTmasi peithomenoi.
Xeno Metamorph Gallente Domination.	Posted - 2007.12.13 23:26:00 - [27] Bah, In my time in Roadkill you would find that BWF was camped by some alliance, corp, pirate, or another almost 23/7 Why? Because there is little to nothing you could do about it. Hostiles jump into 0.0, camp a little, soon as some force shows up, they run to empire/high sec. Friendly's camp the gate, within a few hours lots get bored, numbers dwindle and the Hostiles bring a far superior force. Solution, they don't camp BWF because its pointless. As a result, it gets choked and people who dont use scouts/alts/intel channel properly lose ships. Its part of the natural process of people learning to live in 0.0 tbh. I lost a ship my first week there because I was unaware of what BWF and area was like, very rarely lost one again at that gate. Its not something to get worried about, or even really postworthy unless the offenders pull out dreadnoughts and start seiging towers; fact - BWF is two jumps from High Sec.. its just so damn easy to raid! Xeno
Moloc Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.13 23:50:00 - [28] Edited by: Moloc on 13/12/2007 23:51:41 Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom As far as what the other smashkill guys said about there jump bridges being down and BWF not being the only system that leads into there space. I suppose it would be better moving a frieghter 30 or so jumps through 0.0 space rather then taking a fleet 12 jumps to break a gate camp. Well typically you'd break the camp and then bring the freighter through, but you can bet your bottom dollar that they will just jump to empire and return 30 minutes later, there's nothing you can do about that. No one wants to hang around all day to never get a fight because they won't commit more than 1 jump into 0.0, we go shoot people that can't jump to empire and dock. Quote: RK + allies outnumber us by a factor of about 10-1 Keep in mind that SMASHKILL are spread across 3 regions, you guys are in 1-2 systems... Being outnumbered is a great way to get a good K/D ratio, since you can gank @ 30:1, but when you dockup your exposure is gone, you have no assets to kill. Unless you're contesting sov and forcing people to fight / commit smaller numbers is an advantage, especially when 'small' is gangs of 30-40, cloaks and scouts/spies everywhere, there's no hope of getting a fair fight. This isn't smack, it's exactly what anyone would do, it's just that for the most part it's easier to let it go on (and teach people how to fight that seem to go headlong into disaster) rather than get everyone that already knows to spend hours of their night sitting on their hands, waiting for you guys to undock. It gets boring after a while. BWF is really a crap system, there are 8 entry points to Geminate, so camping one is not a big deal. BWF is not even the closest to our other stations/space once the bridges work again. Of course once they work again, BWF is only a handful of jumps from even S-I and 87- regions, so expect people to be alot more open to making a quick few jumps to kill, as opposed to dozens to see people run when they are still 3 jumps out. We've had quite a few new additions to the SMASKKILL team this week, and it will take some time for them to work out how to not die locally, until then, enjoy the fireworks. We'll be busy over the other side of the map doing exactly the same thing to another alliance or five.
TJ17 Gallente Species 5618 R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.13 23:56:00 - [29] Originally by: Torshin 3 carriers and one frieghter and all the they run when we blob **** is quite funny. if you could come up with a better tactic then that to counter the remote rep gangs then you might actually get a kill or two but most likely they will continue to operate at 90-95% effeicency against you. and kd ratio really matter zomg eve is won with the uberest kd ratio
Bashiri Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.13 23:57:00 - [30] Originally by: Wesley Baird Edited by: Wesley Baird on 13/12/2007 22:32:56 Originally by: Peoke so im supposed to drop everything and worry about a group who prooves time and again any fight they will run. i should waste my time with this. how about you scan smashkill killboards and notice where pvpers are in the middle of stain. Peoke, our rates our reasonable, if you can't handle your own security drop us a line...we are always happy to help out Carebears against the evil forces in eve... you ride smashkill epeep well seen ngm
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.14 00:14:00 - [31] Originally by: Bashiri you ride smashkill epeep well seen ngm I guess we know who Peoke's alt is now...lol!!
Chomapuraku Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 00:15:00 - [32] EH is doing us a favor by popping everybody that doesn't watch intel. we can always use someone to slap some sense into our residents. also, us carebears that are left behind are getting experience trying to manage the space without the help of the dedicated pvp'ers. every kill EH gets is a lesson for pvpers to be, and a lesson for carebears that rely on the pvpers to keep them safe. except for carrier kills. gotta give props for those, no matter what direction they go
Fortuk Monmouth Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 00:22:00 - [33] you see....words are like bullets.... Originally by: hango Our corp chat is generally full of people e-hugging and e-snuggling. ISD is cool like that.
Nizar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 00:52:00 - [34] Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom Edited by: Boom ChickaBoom on 13/12/2007 21:10:52 I have heard reports that Einherjar Rising have been camping the entry point to your 0.0 space every night for the last week. The reports claim that they completly locked off the system to smashkill and its allies meeting little to no resistance. One night the my sources reported 3 carrier kills and 2 freighter kills at the hands of Einherjar Rising. Please comfirm if this is all true and if so why smashkill is not flexing some muscle and doing anything about it. Best regards Boom ChickaBoom CEO lol, you clueless sheep -------------- Nizar -------------- BARON VON NEINLEDERHOSEN
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 01:37:00 - [35] omg my k/d ratio. btw i want to go play in stain Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
RaV1N Caldari The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 01:42:00 - [36] Ah we are back here again, it's like deja vu! "hmmmm I can see your future my son, you will leave home on a road trip, people will increase their gate camps and make alt posts on CAOD." Now the question is, 'Am I wearing under wear?' Perplexing I know!
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 01:44:00 - [37] naskt (Not Another SmashKill Thread) Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 01:59:00 - [38] Its NAST graalum, nub THEY GOT MY CROW ZOMG!!!!!!1!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!! Naw seriously POD-U (me waves) and some of the other corps campin the bwf gate have alot of skill. Yes they leave to high sec when an equal or greater gang commits to em but i think they are only lookin for ganks. Not really worth a coad post though imho. I driks lot signature removed- Jacques([email protected])
Orbital Drift Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 02:08:00 - [39] Originally by: Dracborne Originally by: Orbital Drift SMASH is a dead alliance <<EOF o/ Good to see you're still around. BadTequila still playing too? You bet. EvE is an eternal struggle, much like the one he has with beer. Both are attended by the associated problems of not having enough and finding the money to pay for more.
Groves111 Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 02:37:00 - [40] Essentially you can see in bwf natural selection take place at an increased rate. It's kinda cool to watch. ---
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.12.14 02:38:00 - [41] Quote: i'll confirm 2 of the carrier kills though, not sure why they did it but they thought it was a fun idea at the time to warp their carriers right to the gate with minimal backup So thats where our lost carrier pilots went. Can we have them back please? Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
Stoffer Ninjapirate Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.14 02:39:00 - [42] Edited by: Stoffer Ninjapirate on 14/12/2007 02:39:40 Guys, I hear camping entry points to 0.0 makes you improtant. Oh wait.
TJ17 Gallente Species 5618 R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 02:45:00 - [43] Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate Edited by: Stoffer Ninjapirate on 14/12/2007 02:39:40 Guys, I hear camping entry points to 0.0 makes you improtant. Oh wait. havent ur heard all the kool kids are doing it today
Nizar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 04:22:00 - [44] Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate Edited by: Stoffer Ninjapirate on 14/12/2007 02:39:40 Guys, I hear camping entry points to 0.0 makes you improtant. Oh wait. hahaha, you nailed it. god, if i only had got a dollar for every stupid corp that wardeced us and spent few weeks around bwf - well than i would be a rich mofo! -------------- Nizar -------------- BARON VON NEINLEDERHOSEN
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 04:35:00 - [45] Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom Edited by: Boom ChickaBoom on 13/12/2007 21:10:52 I have heard reports that Einherjar Rising have been camping the entry point to your 0.0 space every night for the last week. The reports claim that they completly locked off the system to smashkill and its allies meeting little to no resistance. One night the my sources reported 3 carrier kills and 2 freighter kills at the hands of Einherjar Rising. Please comfirm if this is all true and if so why smashkill is not flexing some muscle and doing anything about it. Best regards Boom ChickaBoom CEO DING DING USN ARRIVING, Your reports are all true. we have lost many ships and currently considering surrendering. the might of your fleet is to much for my capital pilots. i have ordered the 7th Capital Fleet to move operations to another entry point. DING DING USN DEPARTING. happy holidays.
Nizar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 04:51:00 - [46] Originally by: USN CVN72 Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom Edited by: Boom ChickaBoom on 13/12/2007 21:10:52 I have heard reports that Einherjar Rising have been camping the entry point to your 0.0 space every night for the last week. The reports claim that they completly locked off the system to smashkill and its allies meeting little to no resistance. One night the my sources reported 3 carrier kills and 2 freighter kills at the hands of Einherjar Rising. Please comfirm if this is all true and if so why smashkill is not flexing some muscle and doing anything about it. Best regards Boom ChickaBoom CEO DING DING USN ARRIVING, Your reports are all true. we have lost many ships and currently considering surrendering. the might of your fleet is to much for my capital pilots. i have ordered the 7th Capital Fleet to move operations to another entry point. DING DING USN DEPARTING. happy holidays. all true. we r very upset about recent devastating losses in BWF. so we r officially leaving geminate, disbanding and will all go and play guitar hero III on PS (online!). hats off to our enemies. ty ps. all our alliance space along with assets will go to FREGE. -------------- Nizar -------------- BARON VON NEINLEDERHOSEN
McFly Path of Light R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 04:52:00 - [47] EH, definitely some skilled pilots there, but this is only the result of an idiot carebear not heeding the rules. Whenever my corp has needed to move a frieghter through the pipe we've scheduled it, organized and brought the whole she-bang. Last time we did so, we moved a small escort of 5x recons, 5x HACs, 4x BS, 3x Inty, 3x BCs, 2x Commands, and plenty of scouts. When a corp escorts a freighter correctly Even during a Wardec, Jita <-> BWF is pretty clear, war targets stay docked and freighter stays alive. BWF == Natural Selection And as mentioned earlier. Thread == NAST'd -- --my opinions do not reflect that of my corp nor my alliance--
Ed Anger Weekly World News Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.12.14 04:56:00 - [48] Originally by: Nizar all true. we r very upset about recent devastating losses in BWF. so we r officially leaving geminate, disbanding and will all go and play guitar hero III on PS (online!). hats off to our enemies. ty ps. all our alliance space along with assets will go to FREGE. whole lotta love > BWF
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.12.14 04:56:00 - [49] Originally by: dastommy79 Its NAST graalum, nub THEY GOT MY CROW ZOMG!!!!!!1!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!! Naw seriously POD-U (me waves) and some of the other corps campin the bwf gate have alot of skill. Yes they leave to high sec when an equal or greater gang commits to em but i think they are only lookin for ganks. Not really worth a coad post though imho. /links mad props gf thingy
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 09:42:00 - [50] Originally by: Moloc Edited by: Moloc on 13/12/2007 22:48:45 Originally by: Wesley Baird we are always happy to help out Carebears against the evil forces in eve... If we stop them from dying everytime they use an un-scouted, un-escorted freighter it will only encourage them to do it more. As for the carriers, I guess they got hit on the head pretty hard and thought they were IRC, and able to solopwn people using insured caps with no support. Keep in mind that all bridges are down, and very little of SMASHKILL live in the BWF area. No one wants to make a few dozen jumps to find a target has gone 1 jump back into highsec and logged. Myself I think I need to find a better timezone, whenever I'm on there isn't anything to shoot within 2 regions :o Moloc pretty much says it right here. Number one if freighters arent getting scouts then thats their problem, there are hundreds of bored people always ready to escort/scout them, if they dont ask so be it...Which brings me to my next point, bored people in smashkill. Which pretty much also explains why people might risk their carriers in a fight they'll probably lose... for fun of course. For going on almost 2 years now there have only been TWO exciting times in Geminate, when we invaded and took the space... and when Euphoria Unleashed and their friends tried to take it. And that was quite some time ago. Now when i refer to geminate being class - A Boring, i mean that other than those two exciting times, the only type of fighting we've had is vs people just like Einherj (whatever spelling). PiratISH corps/alliances that come in and flex their muscle (well.. when they do actually come in) when we're sleeping or doing other things, or give up on waiting for them at the very gate the OP refers to (BWF/Oij). ITS OLD NEWS. Said K/D Ratio humping corp/alliance scouts in, they either choose at this point to bring in Recon gangs, nano gangs, OR as in one corps favorite (INFOD) remote rep carrier/bs teams, which is the ballziest maneuver we've seen, yet not so ballzy when you bring in a team remote rep fitted knowing your opponent is NOT setup that way... INFOD was the last entity we truly attempted to "bring it" to, at which point they sit and fly around our camps for hours (geminate has six(?) entrances), figure out our fleet setup with a few sacrifices and then fit accordingly to break it, and ONLY come in when they can win. Now this isnt limited to INFOD, all of the piratish people do this, infod just amped itup to the next level in terms of numbers. Corps and alliances like this ALWAYS fight like this, they never enguage a large or any battle for that matter when they know they can't win... or hell, even if there is a chance they could lose. With the jump bridges down its even more lame in trying to keep K/D humpers out of our hair. We've been there and done that, flying a gang (even if out numbered slightly) 10-20 jumps to go fight them, and they take their ONE jump back to empire and lol their way into their NPC controlled stations. Its not fun for us in any way shape or form, so why bother? If you want a fight come on down to TDE why dont you? See what happens. Noone has done this for quite some time without a nano gang or a recon gang, and theres a reason for that, if you cant hide or run safe spot and log or jump back to empire in less than 2 minutes you dont come. In any case to answer the OP on "why dont we just stomp them?" If we try they'll run to empire, if we dont we end up with forum posts like this. Forum posts are much more fun to respond to than chasing around/camping out a group of people for hours that want nothing more than epeen with high k/d ratios that run at the sign of a real threat, especially when said people hold absolutely no threat to your space. I dont even understand why what people like this do is fun, the whole point of eve is to have fun with risk, when you minimalize your risk to such an extent, how is it even fun? Thats not EvE.
Darklin Eldaris Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.12.14 09:50:00 - [51] I feel left out. Multiversal Enterprise Inc, POD-U, and INCOG have all been a part of the last few weeks of death for RK/SMASH. On our first night out with ENH we had 100kil for 1 BS loss in 3 hours, just insane amounts of bad intel and silly noob mistakes going around. Nyx down (unbelievable), random daily capital kills ( frieghter warps into its own large bubble and slow boats to the gate). It has been a nutty few weeks to say the least. I have 4 words for you: Lambs to the slaughter.
Darklin Eldaris Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.12.14 09:52:00 - [52] Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate Edited by: Stoffer Ninjapirate on 14/12/2007 02:39:40 Guys, I hear camping entry points to 0.0 makes you improtant. Oh wait. I heard that basing an alliance off being the hugest d*ckwads possible makes you super cool.
Darklin Eldaris Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.12.14 09:55:00 - [53] Originally by: dastommy79 Its NAST graalum, nub Naw seriously POD-U (me waves) and some of the other corps campin the bwf gate have alot of skill. Yes they leave to high sec when an equal or greater gang commits to em but i think they are only lookin for ganks. Not really worth a coad post though imho. I can name 10 times when POD-U/Multi/ENH/blah blah blah forces took on two consecutive waves of a RK/Smash gang twice our size with carrier support and still owned the living crap out of you guys. We're not looking for ganks: It's not our fault that's all you've been giving us so far.
Serkis Caldari The Funkalistic SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 11:13:00 - [54] Originally by: Darklin Eldaris Originally by: dastommy79 Its NAST graalum, nub Naw seriously POD-U (me waves) and some of the other corps campin the bwf gate have alot of skill. Yes they leave to high sec when an equal or greater gang commits to em but i think they are only lookin for ganks. Not really worth a coad post though imho. I can name 10 times when POD-U/Multi/ENH/blah blah blah forces took on two consecutive waves of a RK/Smash gang twice our size with carrier support and still owned the living crap out of you guys. We're not looking for ganks: It's not our fault that's all you've been giving us so far. Huh? Where? When? Why do I always miss the fun?
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 11:36:00 - [55] This is me posting with my main, I am at the me with my main, breath in, breath out, I am a main. KIA - Don't ask me, I was off grid.
Gyle Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.12.14 11:46:00 - [56] Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom Edited by: Boom ChickaBoom on 13/12/2007 21:10:52 I have heard reports that Einherjar Rising have been camping the entry point to your 0.0 space every night for the last week. The reports claim that they completly locked off the system to smashkill and its allies meeting little to no resistance. One night the my sources reported 3 carrier kills and 2 freighter kills at the hands of Einherjar Rising. Please comfirm if this is all true and if so why smashkill is not flexing some muscle and doing anything about it. Best regards Boom ChickaBoom CEO Thanx for wasting my time PS Post with your main
Asidion Varalu	Posted - 2007.12.14 11:50:00 - [57] bwf ??? sorry we don't have forum alt's so no reports crap
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.12.14 11:52:00 - [58] The part that is confusing me is where Smashkill is trying to act superior. Sometimes when we've jumped a huge gang into Oij to gank their bwf camp, they usually leave if they had proper scouts in place. Consequently, the same thing will happen if they try to drop a huge ass gang on us, that we've scouted. I hear some of the Smashkill players in this thread actually dissing intelligence, as if they wouldn't be caught themselves warping away in the face of a blob. In any case, I'm pretty sure for the Smashkill who know the truth, they know that ENH and its friends have been bringing pew pew for a few weeks now, and not just random ganks.
Lucifer Fellblade Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 12:36:00 - [59] Cheese. In other news, pew pew is good for everybody. ------
FinrodFelagund Rome Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.12.14 12:45:00 - [60] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio The part that is confusing me is where Smashkill is trying to act superior. Sometimes when we've jumped a huge gang into Oij to gank their bwf camp, they usually leave if they had proper scouts in place. Consequently, the same thing will happen if they try to drop a huge ass gang on us, that we've scouted. I hear some of the Smashkill players in this thread actually dissing intelligence, as if they wouldn't be caught themselves warping away in the face of a blob. In any case, I'm pretty sure for the Smashkill who know the truth, they know that ENH and its friends have been bringing pew pew for a few weeks now, and not just random ganks. In my experience in smashkill the bwf gate was camped by many merc corps and other annoyances, TBH I agree with the other smashkill posters. Who cares? You perform the very valuable service of making nub players 1. better or 2. leave The long and short of it is smashkill acts superior because they are a spaceholding alliance, and being a spaceholding alliance means you have to fight battles in which the enemy outnumbers you and other situations not very advantagous to you. That takes skill, ganking **** and running to empire does not. (I don't think while I was in smash we had any wardecs in which anyone did anything but gank). Long story short, eve is about fun. If youre having it good for you. If you are looking for smashkills respect however, youre not going to get that by ganking some bored or nub pilots.
Bayleor Lucky Hydra Corp SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 13:19:00 - [61] Edited by: Bayleor on 14/12/2007 13:19:11 Wierd, EH must be offline or something when I'm on, cause I've been running my frieghter through bwf almost daily for the past two weeks...guess I better start using a scout huh... To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.-Sun Tzu, the Art of War
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2007.12.14 14:19:00 - [62] Originally by: Bayleor Edited by: Bayleor on 14/12/2007 13:19:11 Wierd, EH must be offline or something when I'm on, cause I've been running my frieghter through bwf almost daily for the past two weeks...guess I better start using a scout huh... They usually hit Oij and BWF around the late afternoon European time. They roam up as far as FDZ too though. I think they dock there. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Turix Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 14:22:00 - [63] In other news you havnt stayed for a single fair fight yet. Oh and id rather be fighting AAA down in stain, they actually fight us rather than your chickens who gank and run Oh and thanks btw, the more morons you kill the less we have to kick from ally
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.14 15:21:00 - [64] Its funny, if you have a gang of 8 people on the BWF...and you kill for a bit you are ganking...then 40 ships with caps warp in on you and you bolt, and you get smacked for it?!!? So, ganking by you is cool and shows your super awesome 0.0 space holding muscle...ganking by the other is lame tactics...with a War dec at least you can move to low sec and empire and fight....the only difference is your caps no longer have the protection of a cyno jammer if you want to drop them on said gang...but you don't...wonder why?!?! In all the time we spent in BWF and area, we only ever had caps dropped on us in systems with cyno jammers...funny how that worked...
Rathkan Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 16:37:00 - [65] Originally by: Darklin Eldaris Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate Edited by: Stoffer Ninjapirate on 14/12/2007 02:39:40 Guys, I hear camping entry points to 0.0 makes you improtant. Oh wait. I heard that basing an alliance off being the hugest d*ckwads possible makes you super cool. Calm down
zykerx Lo0nEy To0nS R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 16:45:00 - [66] so another k/d ratio we are the best in eve post it doesnt impress us and not many others aswel only other k/d *****s wil be interesting to see it and do it aswel wel i go furter with what i want todo, i dont use bwf as i use capitals to do logistics stupid threads like this always make me laugh i mean atleast make a we are cool thread with ya main o.0 go camp tde or k25 24 hour a day and see how that works out . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
FeeLtheSWARTZ Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.12.14 16:58:00 - [67] Originally by: Turix In other news you havnt stayed for a single fair fight yet. Oh and id rather be fighting AAA down in stain, they actually fight us rather than your chickens who gank and run Oh and thanks btw, the more morons you kill the less we have to kick from ally Ill repost this for you incase you didnt read it. It's ok mistakes happen. Originally by: Darklin Eldaris Originally by: dastommy79 Its NAST graalum, nub Naw seriously POD-U (me waves) and some of the other corps campin the bwf gate have alot of skill. Yes they leave to high sec when an equal or greater gang commits to em but i think they are only lookin for ganks. Not really worth a coad post though imho. I can name 10 times when POD-U/Multi/ENH/blah blah blah forces took on two consecutive waves of a RK/Smash gang twice our size with carrier support and still owned the living crap out of you guys. We're not looking for ganks: It's not our fault that's all you've been giving us so far.
Nizar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 17:00:00 - [68] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio ... Smashkill is trying to act superior. dude, we are not tryin to act superior. we are superior. you and every single corp that was and is spending time around oji and bwf is like an annoying rash on our alliance space-a**. every big alliance has "rash" spots. you just make us scratch from time to time. i just dont understand why you cant realize that we cannot be obsessed by your presence in one single 0.0 entry spot all the time. we have better thing to do. once you start threatening our space sov, well maybe than you'll get more attention. -------------- Nizar -------------- BARON VON NEINLEDERHOSEN
TardRusher RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 17:07:00 - [69] Originally by: Nizar annoying rash on our alliance space-a**. every big alliance has "rash" I swear, she said she was clean.
Rathkan Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 17:10:00 - [70] Isn't there a BoB/Goons thread about chess or something? Shouldn't we be over there instead, this thread is boring.
Nizar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 17:15:00 - [71] Originally by: TardRusher Originally by: Nizar annoying rash on our alliance space-a**. every big alliance has "rash" I swear, she said she was clean. oh, i guess we knew the same girl ;-) -------------- Nizar -------------- BARON VON NEINLEDERHOSEN
Orbital Drift Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 17:17:00 - [72] Originally by: Darklin Eldaris I heard that basing an alliance off being the hugest d*ckwads possible makes you super cool. QFT
Chomapuraku Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 17:21:00 - [73] this thread fails to deliver
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 17:59:00 - [74] Originally by: Darklin Eldaris Originally by: dastommy79 Its NAST graalum, nub Naw seriously POD-U (me waves) and some of the other corps campin the bwf gate have alot of skill. Yes they leave to high sec when an equal or greater gang commits to em but i think they are only lookin for ganks. Not really worth a coad post though imho. I can name 10 times when POD-U/Multi/ENH/blah blah blah forces took on two consecutive waves of a RK/Smash gang twice our size with carrier support and still owned the living crap out of you guys. We're not looking for ganks: It's not our fault that's all you've been giving us so far. Stop begging for respect, you actually have to do something to earn that, and making up bs on eve-o isn't a good start. Rofl at you thinking you matter or are something new. Mad props. Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.12.14 18:12:00 - [75] Mostly this thread just makes me glad we decided to swing by this area. It may have been started by a garbage alt looking to stir manure but it raised some fairly telling examples of who we're dealing with. Originally by: Peoke how about you scan smashkill killboards and notice where pvpers are in the middle of stain. Your killboards would much more accurately reflect where your pvpers are if you actually posted losses with any regularity. You'll find you can grab them out of your wars tab now if your members are too gutless to post their own, or of course, on hostile killboards. Mind you, this would demonstrate that you've actually spent far more time in and near Geminate than you claim, just not with very positive results. Here, I'll get it back on topic for COAD though. I notice you guys just now declared you're off to assault BoB, hoping to claim to be on the killmail if they finally go under. Friendly tip - improve your forum appearance before making the posts. You won't be able to leverage those claims if they're made with this same level of quality.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 18:41:00 - [76] Edited by: Graalum on 14/12/2007 18:45:30 Originally by: Mistress Suffering Mostly this thread just makes me glad we decided to swing by this area. It may have been started by a garbage alt looking to stir manure but it raised some fairly telling examples of who we're dealing with. Originally by: Peoke how about you scan smashkill killboards and notice where pvpers are in the middle of stain. Your killboards would much more accurately reflect where your pvpers are if you actually posted losses with any regularity. You'll find you can grab them out of your wars tab now if your members are too gutless to post their own, or of course, on hostile killboards. Mind you, this would demonstrate that you've actually spent far more time in and near Geminate than you claim, just not with very positive results. Here, I'll get it back on topic for COAD though. I notice you guys just now declared you're off to assault BoB, hoping to claim to be on the killmail if they finally go under. Friendly tip - improve your forum appearance before making the posts. You won't be able to leverage those claims if they're made with this same level of quality. Killed any idiot carebears in bwf today? edit: refer to post 61 Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 18:54:00 - [77] No alliance is spared from idiots, nubs, or people with an inherent love for making a mockery of themselves. And with our alliances combined (SMASHKILL (etc.) I doubt anyone of the active membership of this ... conglomerate would disagree with the fact that there are elements within, that we're less than proud of having. However, EVE is very Darwinistic in this aspect. Usually a person who decides to "gee, it's going to be a jolly splendid idea to go through the pipe up to Jita with two wars going on, and why should I bother to scout" will do what whiners in EVE love particularly, blame someone else for his own folly. In our case most likely his corp, alliance, or in the best case CCP - where he will leave the corp, the alliance, or the game respectively. Ultimately, we're rid of the problem. Unfortunately, when one leaves - there's always some joker to replace him, with 50 million eBayed skillpoints. - Recruitment open again-
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.14 19:05:00 - [78] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin In our case most likely his corp, alliance, or in the best case CCP - where he will leave the corp, the alliance, or the game respectively. Ultimately, we're rid of the problem. Unfortunately, when one leaves - there's always some joker to replace him, with 50 million eBayed skillpoints. Thats some tough love you teaching in Smashkill. BWF is always fun to visit, you can always catch a slow guy or two before they gang up with an overwhelming force. Not complaining about blobs btw...you are defending, and you drive us off But please, can some of directors look at loss mails..and post them Several of your pilots seem to be ashamed of their losses. A small example is this attempted gank on my bait ship...not one of those losses are on your board, and pretty much none of them from our current little war dec against you. It's fun to fight you anyways, and nice to see some familiar faces again.
Hey Guy Minmatar Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 19:10:00 - [79] fags
Bashiri Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 19:39:00 - [80] Originally by: Nizar Originally by: TardRusher Originally by: Nizar annoying rash on our alliance space-a**. every big alliance has "rash" I swear, she said she was clean. oh, i guess we knew the same girl ;-) Damit i thought she went to the doctor
FinrodFelagund Rome Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.12.14 19:40:00 - [81] Originally by: Mistress Suffering Mostly this thread just makes me glad we decided to swing by this area. It may have been started by a garbage alt looking to stir manure but it raised some fairly telling examples of who we're dealing with. Originally by: Peoke how about you scan smashkill killboards and notice where pvpers are in the middle of stain. Your killboards would much more accurately reflect where your pvpers are if you actually posted losses with any regularity. You'll find you can grab them out of your wars tab now if your members are too gutless to post their own, or of course, on hostile killboards. Mind you, this would demonstrate that you've actually spent far more time in and near Geminate than you claim, just not with very positive results. Here, I'll get it back on topic for COAD though. I notice you guys just now declared you're off to assault BoB, hoping to claim to be on the killmail if they finally go under. Friendly tip - improve your forum appearance before making the posts. You won't be able to leverage those claims if they're made with this same level of quality. I don't think you "get" smash. ;)
Chomapuraku Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 19:48:00 - [82] Edited by: Chomapuraku on 14/12/2007 19:49:51 just remember that PVP is always a good thing. it eliminates macros (look at the industrial kills in the last two weeks on the RK kb :P), keeps the carebears sharp and lookin' alive, and is the grindstone that part-time/up-and-coming pvp'ers sharpen themselves on. and pvpers do us all a big favor when they pop that ******* 14-year-old that scammed his mothership from an alliancemate and uses it to camp low-sec bottom line, more pew-pew, gf all around, and everybody have fun (unless you're currently at work, and have no eve client handy )
Chief Tech	Posted - 2007.12.14 20:44:00 - [83] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Tobias Sjodin In our case most likely his corp, alliance, or in the best case CCP - where he will leave the corp, the alliance, or the game respectively. Ultimately, we're rid of the problem. Unfortunately, when one leaves - there's always some joker to replace him, with 50 million eBayed skillpoints. Thats some tough love you teaching in Smashkill. BWF is always fun to visit, you can always catch a slow guy or two before they gang up with an overwhelming force. Not complaining about blobs btw...you are defending, and you drive us off But please, can some of directors look at loss mails..and post them Several of your pilots seem to be ashamed of their losses. A small example is this attempted gank on my bait ship...not one of those losses are on your board, and pretty much none of them from our current little war dec against you. It's fun to fight you anyways, and nice to see some familiar faces again. Do you think, that it is kinda weird that since yesterday there is absolute no activity on the KB anymore ? Can you agree, that there might be a slight chance of a Page error or something like that and without it, lossmails, at least some, would be posted?! It seems very unrealistic, that there is no kill and ,ofc as unrealistic, no loss for that long period of time?!
Boom ChickaBoom Caldari Friendly Pod Poppers	Posted - 2007.12.14 21:12:00 - [84] Ok, I guess smashkill is missing my point. I never said anything about the K/D ratio im just asking why you are letting yourselfs get spanked. You keep saying your loses are random gank's of noob players so heres some smashkill loses in the last few weeks to enj. Battleship - 170 Battle cruiser - 127 Command ship - 25 Carrier - 4 heavy assault ship - 34 freighter - 3 And if you check out enj's KB you will see lots more. So if all those are just random gank's you got problems.
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.12.14 21:25:00 - [85] Originally by: Turix In other news you havnt stayed for a single fair fight yet. Oh and id rather be fighting AAA down in stain, they actually fight us rather than your chickens who gank and run Oh and thanks btw, the more morons you kill the less we have to kick from ally OH that explains why you are war deccing their industrial corp?
Nostradameus Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2007.12.14 21:27:00 - [86] Edited by: Nostradameus on 14/12/2007 21:27:42 Im an alt of a main whos an alt of a main whos an alt of a main. sometimes teh pvprs leave and oppritunists take advantage, not the first time someones moved on smash routes during deployment (cloud ring anyone?) GL SIG SIG SIG SIG
jeikam VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 21:42:00 - [87] sighs when our towers are under siege I'll sit up and take notice... otherwise... just the usual background murmur in BWF and Oijanen.
Urrorur Eternum Guild Transportation Group	Posted - 2007.12.14 21:43:00 - [88] Support the movement.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.14 21:45:00 - [89] Originally by: Erotic Irony guys guys, my sources IXC Recruitment
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 21:46:00 - [90] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Tobias Sjodin In our case most likely his corp, alliance, or in the best case CCP - where he will leave the corp, the alliance, or the game respectively. Ultimately, we're rid of the problem. Unfortunately, when one leaves - there's always some joker to replace him, with 50 million eBayed skillpoints. Thats some tough love you teaching in Smashkill. BWF is always fun to visit, you can always catch a slow guy or two before they gang up with an overwhelming force. Not complaining about blobs btw...you are defending, and you drive us off But please, can some of directors look at loss mails..and post them Several of your pilots seem to be ashamed of their losses. A small example is this attempted gank on my bait ship...not one of those losses are on your board, and pretty much none of them from our current little war dec against you. It's fun to fight you anyways, and nice to see some familiar faces again. noone knows the password for the killboard atm. I have a kill and two lossmails that i need to post, but can't. Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Veng3ance Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.12.14 21:56:00 - [91] Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom Ok, I guess smashkill is missing my point. I never said anything about the K/D ratio im just asking why you are letting yourselfs get spanked. You keep saying your loses are random gank's of noob players so heres some smashkill loses in the last few weeks to enj. Battleship - 170 Battle cruiser - 127 Command ship - 25 Carrier - 4 heavy assault ship - 34 freighter - 3 And if you check out enj's KB you will see lots more. So if all those are just random gank's you got problems. LOL owned. See you in space Smash / Roadkill.
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.12.14 21:57:00 - [92] Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom stuff Thanks, but you're quite welcome to stop. We do any public message quite directly without the need of alts. You can search my post history and find uncomfortable subjects regarding a variety of people. In this case, violence is occuring. We like violence. Violence makes me feel happy and fulfilled.
Boom ChickaBoom Caldari Friendly Pod Poppers	Posted - 2007.12.14 22:00:00 - [93] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Tobias Sjodin In our case most likely his corp, alliance, or in the best case CCP - where he will leave the corp, the alliance, or the game respectively. Ultimately, we're rid of the problem. Unfortunately, when one leaves - there's always some joker to replace him, with 50 million eBayed skillpoints. Thats some tough love you teaching in Smashkill. BWF is always fun to visit, you can always catch a slow guy or two before they gang up with an overwhelming force. Not complaining about blobs btw...you are defending, and you drive us off But please, can some of directors look at loss mails..and post them Several of your pilots seem to be ashamed of their losses. A small example is this attempted gank on my bait ship...not one of those losses are on your board, and pretty much none of them from our current little war dec against you. It's fun to fight you anyways, and nice to see some familiar faces again. noone knows the password for the killboard atm. I have a kill and two lossmails that i need to post, but can't. Try CRAP Chaos Incarnate R0adkill Atlas Peoke
zykerx Lo0nEy To0nS R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 22:07:00 - [94] stop crying about sk kilboards jeez stupid numbernerds we never sayed its acurate hell we always sayed its not and atm new kb wich some people dont got pass for yet why dont ya make a kb forus and feed all km on there o.0 hell i had more kills on battleclinic then i had on rk kb amazing that at every new bwf gate attacker there comes this threads again and crying about kb's . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
ZenTex Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 22:24:00 - [95] I've read this thread before. At first I thought it was a necro but it's not. it's not even a deja-vu. Atleast every 2 months a thread like this pops up. corps camping BWF and ganking in the pipe and declaring victory. It's the same old thing. People accuse smashkill are acting superior because we keep posting it doesn't matter a lot. Newsflash, we don't give a damn. BWF is being camped 23/7. It's always been like that. Assmeble a gang and they're gone and those wanting to go through do so. Sometimes we even lose such a brawl. But even large numbers lost don't hurt us, it punishes ppl for not being on edge. Besides, in the sparse major engagements we had loss/killnumbers match the losses posted here, but in 1 or 2 days. Like I said, nothing new is happening. Business as usual. There's little a sledgehammer can't fix. If you can't fix it, you need a bigger sledgehammer. If it's unfixable, blame CCP. :p
Nizar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 22:36:00 - [96] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Tobias Sjodin In our case most likely his corp, alliance, or in the best case CCP - where he will leave the corp, the alliance, or the game respectively. Ultimately, we're rid of the problem. Unfortunately, when one leaves - there's always some joker to replace him, with 50 million eBayed skillpoints. Thats some tough love you teaching in Smashkill. BWF is always fun to visit, you can always catch a slow guy or two before they gang up with an overwhelming force. Not complaining about blobs btw...you are defending, and you drive us off But please, can some of directors look at loss mails..and post them Several of your pilots seem to be ashamed of their losses. A small example is this attempted gank on my bait ship...not one of those losses are on your board, and pretty much none of them from our current little war dec against you. It's fun to fight you anyways, and nice to see some familiar faces again. oh god, i can not believe you posted a killmail link in CAOD. i also see some kill numbers in this thread. hahaha, dont you know only gimps do that... -------------- Nizar -------------- BARON VON NEINLEDERHOSEN
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.14 22:40:00 - [97] Originally by: Nizar oh god, i can not believe you posted a killmail link in CAOD. i also see some kill numbers in this thread. hahaha, dont you know only gimps do that... Good evening, I wrote a polite post gently reminding that Smashkill don't post their losses. When we attacked you in CI, there were on average 40 per day missing. Reading the responses, it's hard to understand why people refer to you as SmackKill. Well once again, it was nice killing you tonight.
AVENGUARD Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 22:44:00 - [98] Edited by: AVENGUARD on 14/12/2007 22:44:51 SINCE YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT OUR KILLBOARD CHECK IT OUT - its not updating, its lost most of our kills/losses so far. So jerk off to your own - thx edited cos I can't spell :)
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.14 22:47:00 - [99] Originally by: AVENGUARD Edited by: AVENGUARD on 14/12/2007 22:44:51 SINCE YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT OUR KILLBOARD CHECK IT OUT - its not updating, its lost most of our kills/losses so far. So jerk off to your own - thx edited cos I can't spell :) So that would the case for the last 6months then...and thanks for the smack, at least you do that well
AVENGUARD Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 22:49:00 - [100] Nope just for now though we seem to have lost all kills/loses prior to update Some people will never post losses same old story look for kills on ur board and your losses on ours (if it ever works) - its always the same
Peoke Caldari Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 22:52:00 - [101] wow qoute this. if a smash member posts a loss mail i will remove him. smashkill killboards will be the most inaccurate cause it means ****. you post these kills and you achieved what, getting flammed in your eve-o glory thread. good move man must feel all warm and fuzzy watching you attempt at being known to being crushed about your stupidity.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.14 22:57:00 - [102] Originally by: AVENGUARD Nope just for now though we seem to have lost all kills/loses prior to update Some people will never post losses same old story look for kills on ur board and your losses on ours (if it ever works) - its always the same Thats a more civilised response ty I spoke to a few RK directors in 2007/07 about the prob, I was given the password to cross post, but you have changed it now It's the same story in most large alliances, lots of npc'rs getting ganked and hiding the loss. The worse offender in RK was this one guy who lost a nicely fitted nighthawk, then and hour later lost a carrier. And none were posted He was dying at least 3 times a day..hope you kicked him As you are aware, our contract ends tonight, so I wish you luck, and thanks to the gang that engaged us earlier.
mankanator	Posted - 2007.12.14 22:59:00 - [103] Originally by: Peoke wow qoute this. if a smash member posts a loss mail i will remove him. smashkill killboards will be the most inaccurate cause it means **. you post these kills and you achieved what, getting flammed in your eve-o glory thread. good move man must feel all warm and fuzzy watching you attempt at being known to being crushed about your stupidity. you're absolutely right, who cares if your alliance is full of **s, if you can't use intel channels, if you get annihilated at every engagement that's anything close to fair. of course killboards mean **.
AVENGUARD Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.14 23:03:00 - [104] Edited by: AVENGUARD on 14/12/2007 23:04:21 I have no issue with Omniscient Order or any merc corp that engages us - their doing their bit and as you no doubt know have very little effect overall but keeps life interesting. Some other corps really do believe we're on our knees after a carrier lose or a nicely fitted bs GL to Omniscient Order was sorry to hear CI is no more P.S to the guy above corp and allience ticker - its in the forum settings
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 23:49:00 - [105] GUYS GUYS THINK OF THE K/D RATIO...... Come on people. I fly with smashkill and i flew with POD-U back in my FLA days. All good peeps. This Killboard crap needs to stop. just look at the goons for example lool. Lets continue to play cat and mouse on the bwf gate and have some fun. well not me, i'm omw down to stain I driks lot signature removed- Jacques([email protected])
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.14 23:51:00 - [106] Originally by: Urrorur Support the movement. I fully support/approve of dis message. NAST FOR LIFE I driks lot signature removed- Jacques([email protected])
Quaren Gallente Spartan Industries	Posted - 2007.12.14 23:56:00 - [107] Smashkill is ftw! and so is my new sig btw! GO smashkill! <3 scooter1
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.12.15 01:38:00 - [108] why you reply to a alt's thread? what you expect the result to be?
NeuSiresMOM	Posted - 2007.12.15 02:32:00 - [109] Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom Ok, I guess smashkill is missing my point. I never said anything about the K/D ratio im just asking why you are letting yourselfs get spanked. You keep saying your loses are random gank's of noob players so heres some smashkill loses in the last few weeks to enj. Battleship - 170 Battle cruiser - 127 Command ship - 25 Carrier - 4 heavy assault ship - 34 freighter - 3 And if you check out enj's KB you will see lots more. So if all those are just random gank's you got problems. And still they own NO space.
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.12.15 05:22:00 - [110] Originally by: NeuSiresMOM And still they own NO space. I think you're losing cause and effect, non-space holding PvP entities have much better K/D ratios because: a) They don't need to have industry alts in the same entity b) They have no exposed assets once they log c) They can be alot smaller, further limiting their exposure If they ever by some miracle do acquire space, all that changes and they end up on the other side of the fence.
looMin uS Minmatar Species 5618 R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 06:20:00 - [111] VOTE SAMUEL JACKSON FOR PRESIDENT! ------------------------------------------------
E Vile Fifth Exiled Legion SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 06:58:00 - [112] Oooo Nooo they camp the FIRST gate into Smashkill space and get morons not watching intel, then run when a fleet blobs them! We have bigger fish to fry right now. Maybe we'll get to you when were done with a real foe.
Bo Bojangles Minmatar High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 07:31:00 - [113] As for me,.. attending to BWF defense every great once in awhile is ok, but it's just like trying to dig a hole in water. I haven't seen a battle on that gate yet that was close one way or the other, it's just a battle of the blobs. And for what? ENH and friends aren't going to attempt to pew a tower, so why bother really. If I were on their side of the fence, I'd love it,.. plenty of pew, ditz haulers always coming through the pew zone, and safety only two jumps away. Why would ya wanna pew anywhere else!!!
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 08:23:00 - [114] Originally by: Admiral Nova Originally by: NeuSiresMOM And still they own NO space. I think you're losing cause and effect, non-space holding PvP entities have much better K/D ratios because: a) They don't need to have industry alts in the same entity b) They have no exposed assets once they log c) They can be alot smaller, further limiting their exposure If they ever by some miracle do acquire space, all that changes and they end up on the other side of the fence. They choose: D) When to attack. E) Where to attack. F) With what to attack WITH, after uber ezmode recon. G) Can easily run and hide in thousands of empire systems should they somehow (after all those advantages) not have a winning favor. H) Cannot be found in any one place 24/7.
OneSHotKillah Minmatar Warrior Nation United SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 09:19:00 - [115] Edited by: OneSHotKillah on 15/12/2007 09:20:18 Originally by: Wesley Baird we only ever had caps dropped on us in systems with cyno jammers...funny how that worked... and?
Rathkan Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 12:45:00 - [116] Originally by: Peoke wow qoute this. if a smash member posts a loss mail i will remove him. smashkill killboards will be the most inaccurate cause it means ****. you post these kills and you achieved what, getting flammed in your eve-o glory thread. good move man must feel all warm and fuzzy watching you attempt at being known to being crushed about your stupidity. Can someone explain to me why it's even in our best interest to post lossmails? I understand when we have an actual campaign that information is useful to know, to get an idea whether it's worth continuing the campaign. But posting lossmails due to getting ganked by a bunch of pirates? Big friggin' deal, Darwinism prevails. Posting lossmails only increases the pirate's e-peen and why would we want to do that? I'd rather just let you guys whine about it.
Thak Navari Caldari Uneasy Corp Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.12.15 13:12:00 - [117] SmashKill are a great bunch to fly with!!! SmashKill Backer all the way! Looks like a few gate campers are looking for recognition! It happens in every bottleneck it would seem.
zykerx Lo0nEy To0nS R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 13:54:00 - [118] they jerking off on there k/b stats and cry about it that they cant jerkoff on sk kb as we dont got a post or ya die policy :O funny how some people think they are important for ganking a few people . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
Peanut Swsh Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 13:56:00 - [119] Edited by: Peanut Swsh on 15/12/2007 14:03:09 KILLBOARDS!!1!!ONE!!ELEVENTY!11!!ONE Answer to OP: Flexing muscle and doing something about it? like what exactly? We bring lots of dudes (flexing muscle yarggh) to shoot at them and they just run away. Its a perfect ganking location for them, plenty of targets, and with half decent intel, they really should never lose a ship with the remote repping setup they run. But for us its a waste of time. Yep sometimes they are engaged by our gangs and we lose a lot of ships, even when we have more doodz then them. The problem in talking just numbers in most these situations is that usually the smashkill gangs are mixed gangs, maybe 20-40% BS, whereas the Einherjar gangs in these cases are almost 80-90% BS with a few tacklers. Einherjar + friends also have the same bunch of dudes who always fly together, whereas we have a hodgepodge of usually at least 4 alliances fighting against them (often with new/inexperienced FC's). Also most of the older smashkill avoid bwf, so most of the guys there tend to be newer people who use it for its convenience as an entry point close to jita, they will learn soon (hopefully) what a waste of time bothering with hostile BWF camps is. When we engage a few different things happen. In the ideal situation we engage them at mid range 30+km out (usually further). We can either run our own remote rep setup, or because they hug the gate so can't tackle us we can just warp in and out at will so we won't lose ships because they can't tackle, and they don't lose ships because we don't have the ability to instapop them unless we mega blob them. Pretty much a standoff, and this is what happens when one of our good FC's is running the gang. This accomplishes nothing, and Einherjar camping BWF is only a minor inconvenince, plus there is better pvp to be had elsewhere, so most of the good FC's don't bother wasting their time with bwf anymore. Better use of time is to npc. So what actually happens most of the time, is that some random smashkill dudes get a gang together, and they warp to the gate and with equal or more numbers and die because they don't have the remote repping setup that einherjar run, and the gang has a low percentage of BS, which means that despite bigger numbers dps is lower and less hp so they die rather quickly. They seem to be learning rather slowly from their mistakes but whatever, they'll learn eventually, and its good practise for up and coming guys to have a go at FC'ing. End of the day just like every other time a group has decided to camp BWF they have done well on the killboards. The effect on Smashkill if anything is probably positive, it helps us sort out the trash and it gives people a chance at running gangs. And I think that we have had a few good kills too, there was that fully faction pith hardener, CNR that we blew up in Oijanen the other day. Think someone worked out it was worth 2BN+, so thats worth 2 carrier kills :). The only negative is that we get a bit trounced on the forums, but yeah, internet forum spaceship hypothetical EFT game oh wells. p.s. Read SCOOTER1's bio, you might learn something :)
Shadow Mancer Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 14:51:00 - [120] whoa I like Peanut's writing style, very well thought, paragraphs are nicely done. Man, u ever considered to become Peoke's english tutor :)))
Zanarkand Gallente Enterprise Estonia	Posted - 2007.12.15 15:12:00 - [121] Can't blame SK who say "killboard stats = lol", that is just standard 0.0 game mechanics. It just shows you don't have be strong pvp alliance to hold space, you just need friends to repel small corps/alliances from taking over your space. If ER ever attacked their poses, SK would just play the 1) timezone card or 2) northern coalition help card.
Moloc Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 16:02:00 - [122] Originally by: Zanarkand If ER ever attacked their poses, SK would just play the 1) timezone card or 2) northern coalition help card. I think we just need to play the, hey guys, someone shot a POS card. The last time we played the timezone card was when smash and r0adkill were fighting, MM/Razor/D2/Pure and E-R.... That was over a year ago and we had about 400 members combined then. We've never played the northern coalition help card, nice to know it's there. Infact the only alliances that have ever tried to put a POSs in our space, no longer exist. E-R, D2, Anarchy Empire.... Friends are for when you are fighting groups of alliances, like M.Pire/Fatal/CoW etc etc etc. They have friends, you have friends. He who has the most wins.
Peanut Swsh Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 16:09:00 - [123] Edited by: Peanut Swsh on 15/12/2007 16:09:51 Originally by: Moloc Infact the only alliances that have ever tried to put a POSs in our space, no longer exist. E-R, D2, Anarchy Empire.... Thats because only idiots in fail alliances would ever want to live in Geminate (AKA Armpit of EVE). Wait.. what? But that suits us, seeing as SMASH and RoadKILL have been dead alliances for as long as I can remember.
McFly Path of Light R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 16:13:00 - [124] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Tobias Sjodin In our case most likely his corp, alliance, or in the best case CCP - where he will leave the corp, the alliance, or the game respectively. Ultimately, we're rid of the problem. Unfortunately, when one leaves - there's always some joker to replace him, with 50 million eBayed skillpoints. Thats some tough love you teaching in Smashkill. BWF is always fun to visit, you can always catch a slow guy or two before they gang up with an overwhelming force. Not complaining about blobs btw...you are defending, and you drive us off But please, can some of directors look at loss mails..and post them Several of your pilots seem to be ashamed of their losses. A small example is this attempted gank on my bait ship...not one of those losses are on your board, and pretty much none of them from our current little war dec against you. It's fun to fight you anyways, and nice to see some familiar faces again. Brosef, we've been reworking the RK Killboard due to the parser not working on the new Killmail system and the KB admin had been away for the last few weeks. So we've setup a new board but it isn't 100% operational yet. -- --my opinions do not reflect that of my corp nor my alliance--
HellsRazor Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 16:23:00 - [125] Edited by: HellsRazor on 15/12/2007 16:23:49 Originally by: Zanarkand Can't blame SK who say "killboard stats = lol", that is just standard 0.0 game mechanics. It just shows you don't have be strong pvp alliance to hold space, you just need friends to repel small corps/alliances from taking over your space. If ER ever attacked their poses, SK would just play the 1) timezone card or 2) northern coalition help card. Go ahead and try taken our space then.... you'll find out the hard way of how much pvp force SmashKILLas Inc have for that A$$.
Morn Judith Caldari Incognito Inc	Posted - 2007.12.15 16:58:00 - [126] I typically avoid posting in here like that girl with a rash, but I've got a little something to comment on. SMASHKILL is saying that we're a "rash on the behind" of a "superior" alliance. Why, then, did this topic evoke such a passionate response from so many SMASHKILL members? This post is mostly SMASHKILL pilots saying that same thing over, and over. If it weren't such a big deal, then the majority of the alliance members would feel that it's not worth it to comment on. Posting so often and with such intensity makes an alliance look like it needs some morale boosting, a "pep talk" of some sort. (Disclaimer: I'm not trying to say that the ENJ group is responsible for the destruction of morale, only that the problem is more real than the SMASHKILL members are making out to be.) Originally by: Tarminic I WANT A THRONE MADE OF MY OWN CORPSES.
Peanut Swsh Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 17:10:00 - [127] Originally by: Morn Judith I typically avoid posting in here like that girl with a rash, but I've got a little something to comment on. SMASHKILL is saying that we're a "rash on the behind" of a "superior" alliance. Why, then, did this topic evoke such a passionate response from so many SMASHKILL members? This post is mostly SMASHKILL pilots saying that same thing over, and over. If it weren't such a big deal, then the majority of the alliance members would feel that it's not worth it to comment on. Posting so often and with such intensity makes an alliance look like it needs some morale boosting, a "pep talk" of some sort. (Disclaimer: I'm not trying to say that the ENJ group is responsible for the destruction of morale, only that the problem is more real than the SMASHKILL members are making out to be.) Cause we wanna be cool on the forums like dem goons. Fact is that everything happening here, from the engagements in BWF, to the forum posts is a mirror image of what happens everytime a hostile group decide to do what you guys are doing, from INFOD to MD-K and all the others inbetween. And sorry you haven't hurt our moral, MD-K and INFOD didn't and they are much better PvPers then you guys (dunno about INFOD these days actually). Thou I must admit, there are some noobs who always cry because you ganked them, but to the most of us, its welcome comedy to an otherwise boring intel channel :)
Bashiri Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 17:48:00 - [128] If you want to see something funny look at my bio. It was someone crying in the intel channel about how he got ganked my privateer alliance. So dam funny.
John Blackthorn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 18:07:00 - [129] First I have to say props to E.R. No doubt you have gotten numerous ganks. I'm not sure about the freighter and carrier kills that were reported however. I know of one freighter that was killed in low sec and the loss of the gang that was protecting that freighter. And my loss of a single carrier in bwf (Roadkill). No taking away the effect of a carrier kill, and it happend like this. I had just formed up a gang of ten, we had a report of 7 e.r. gathering in Airaken. I warped my carrier and damnation to the gate expecting the rest of the members to join me. I"m just about to warp off the gate when e.r. jump in and engage. Then about twenty neutrals jump in to assist e.r. that we hadn't previously seen. I call for backup from other systems. Just as I hit armor (armor tanked) I get reminded that all the jump bridges were down. (doh! I forgot about that. I got offered to have several more carriers jump in to assist, however I said no. Because without our support fleet it would cause us to loose more than just my carrier in my opinion. I also knew my carrier was fully insured and only had two weeks of insurance left on it. So that was that.. they got a carrier kill and I got a new carrier in build :P -John
zykerx Lo0nEy To0nS R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 19:33:00 - [130] so ya saying me talking here is because of bad moral and thats thx to e-r and whoever ? uhm i yust arived in bwf today after not beeing there for months so yeah i must be rly ****ed ya guys camping that system o.0... ooh wait... mayby we yust want to chitchat in eve-o and there no other threads to doitin, always funn how some crazy k/b lovers think they colapsing oure alliance rk isnt the best pvp alliance were a big bad choatic mess, thats how we loveit . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.12.15 19:46:00 - [131] Well no, you're respondng to some random alt troll who trolled conflicts in several regions in addition to this one. We got sidetracked talking here at all because someone made claims about ENH in the thread. No ENH or ENH friendly claimed to be breaking your alliance, stealing your candy, or doing much other than killing some guys in the area. PVP group, NBSI, in the area... you get the idea. It blatantly ignores the fact that there are several other PVP groups around (Multiversal Enterprises, PODU, The Establishment, Stimulus (probably not NBSI but Smashkill pirates), etc...) that also run NBSI, kill people, and occasionally camp BWF for kicks and giggles. The only thing that amplified random ganking in your area into something more personal was the fact that a 1500 man alliance decided to wardec the smallest corp that was hanging out with us. That strikes me as pretty uncivil, so we dropped a wardec to support our friends and now instead of us just ganking local idiots RK has invited us to also gank their empire visitors. Thanks!
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.15 21:36:00 - [132] Originally by: Morn Judith I typically avoid posting in here like that girl with a rash, but I've got a little something to comment on. SMASHKILL is saying that we're a "rash on the behind" of a "superior" alliance. Why, then, did this topic evoke such a passionate response from so many SMASHKILL members? This post is mostly SMASHKILL pilots saying that same thing over, and over. If it weren't such a big deal, then the majority of the alliance members would feel that it's not worth it to comment on. Posting so often and with such intensity makes an alliance look like it needs some morale boosting, a "pep talk" of some sort. (Disclaimer: I'm not trying to say that the ENJ group is responsible for the destruction of morale, only that the problem is more real than the SMASHKILL members are making out to be.) the average smash/roadkill thread reachs 10 pages in what, 24 hours? Hell the ra /dmc pet thread was longer than this after like an hour, and that barely affected us. So ya we're really hitting the forums hard to pep us up lulz. Your signature graphic must reflect your ingame persona as per The Forum rules - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:06:00 - [133] i agree with graalum, this is a sub-par NAST thread. We need a better one. Peoke make an announcement I driks lot signature removed- Jacques([email protected])
Shadow Mancer Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.17 15:18:00 - [134] Peanut is homosexual
Shadow Mancer Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.17 15:20:00 - [135] Originally by: HellsRazor Edited by: HellsRazor on 15/12/2007 16:23:49 Originally by: Zanarkand Can't blame SK who say "killboard stats = lol", that is just standard 0.0 game mechanics. It just shows you don't have be strong pvp alliance to hold space, you just need friends to repel small corps/alliances from taking over your space. If ER ever attacked their poses, SK would just play the 1) timezone card or 2) northern coalition help card. Go ahead and try taken our space then.... you'll find out the hard way of how much pvp force SmashKILLas Inc have for that A$$. NAGLFAR READY FOR BATTLE I'm so gonna lose it to strange ganks
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.12.17 15:59:00 - [136] Taking space is boring. Ganking freighters and carriers and stuffs is much more fun. Do you really want pos battles?
Maximor Fifth Exiled Legion SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 16:13:00 - [137] Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom I did not create this thread to flame anyone including smashkill. I'm curious, if this wasn't your intent, what was? To bring to the light the fact that BWF is infrequently camped by various people other then Smashkill? Maybe it was to earn a pat on the back for your ability to blow things up? Or perhaps it was to show that you are capable of camping a zero sec entry point of which there are so (sarcasm) few in the game. Or is it possible that your little escapades are nothing more than a blip in the geminate region let alone Smashkill as a whole, and you are looking for more fame and notoriety than you deserve? When we want something moved, oddly enough, BWF seems to clear of campers. In all reality, very few people are willing to stand in their camps once real opposition arises. Perhaps if you had actually held BWF for any meaningful amount of time, your posts would mean more. However, it does bring to light that BWF is camped alot. Perhaps if there were some other way of moving goods and material from low sec into zero sec and back again. Some way to "jump" equipment over long distances. Maybe if there was a class or classes of ships that existed with "jump drives" and large cargo holds. But that's just crazy talk! Who would ever think of or use something like that? If you hold a unix shell up to your ear, can you still hear the c: ?
Bashiri Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:26:00 - [138] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio Taking space is boring. Ganking freighters and carriers and stuffs is much more fun. Do you really want pos battles? You my good sire have not seen smack plese log in game to found out.
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:44:00 - [139] Originally by: Rathkan Can someone explain to me why it's even in our best interest to post lossmails? It gives you intel on who is doing damage to your alliance, where and when they typically attack. Not to mention you can glean why type of ships your enemy tends to fly and can surmise fits based upon that intel. It allows your FC's to put together reasonable plans to counter your enemy, based on facts rather than speculation and assumptions. It also allows your leadership to understand who is participating in your space's defense, what type of hardware they bring to the battle, and who really should stay docked. All of this information is generally valued to those who take a thoughtful approach to pvp...of course it might hurt certain pilots respective E-Peen, so you need to do a careful balance of intel, vs sensitivity to posting losses... On an alliance level, it also helps those who care to understand who is working hard to defend your space, and who the complete and utter leeches are. You will find the leeches typically don't want to post losses, as they are only ever killed in ratting/mining ships...while those who truly fight and earn their space will be found mainly in pvp ships...so generally those who pvp post losses, as they understand we all lose ships, big deal...those who carebear, and leech...well...they never ever want to post losses... So why doesn't much of Smash want to post losses?? Why is Roadkill so much better at posting losses?? I know if I were a Smash pvper these are questions I would want answered...but then Peoke would kick me for asking these questions...because no one is allowed to question the mighty Peoke!!! Are KM's all there is to this game? Clearly not, but they do provide important tactical information...
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:48:00 - [140] Quote: All of this information is generally valued to those who take a thoughtful approach to pvp.. Stop right there, we don't want that.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.12.17 20:57:00 - [141] Wes speaks the truth. We are very strict about posting loss mails for all the reasons he listed. Some people use KBs to chest beat and if that is your cup of tea, thats fine I guess. The reality is they give you invaluable information on things that can shape change in your corp/alliance to make you that much more effective. To each their own. Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
Crackzilla The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 21:56:00 - [142] Edited by: ***zilla on 17/12/2007 21:57:54 Originally by: Wesley Baird It gives you intel on who is doing damage to your alliance, ... intel... Not to mention ... intel ... and can surmise ... intel. It allows your FC's ... intel Most of which is gathered in the intel channel or by watching the pew pew for a day or two. The typical uses for killboards within an alliance is watching the action from work, googling a hostile pilot to see what they fly (so kind for the other alliance to provide this intel), and whining about missing a hauler kill with a t2 bpo. Oh, and chestbeating on coad. If others are going to all the effort to do the work for us, why should we? Originally by: Wesley Baird who is participating ..of hardware ... should stay docked. More the merrier. What disturbs me is how killboards encourage a culture of where k/d ratio is king. It prevents experimentation (cept for sisi) as peeps feel getting popped with a different setup is like getting caught by the wife wearing her underwear again. If someone can afford to lose something, why shouldn't they do so in style? When someone gets on TS and yells that they're drunk and they're going to suicide a carrier tonight, who am I to stop them? I'd rather have fun then worry about a cap loss tarnishing my k/d ratio. Originally by: Wesley Baird ...working hard to defend your space,... utter leeches are. .. leeches typically don't want to post losses, It shows who participates in gate camps and roams with nano ships. Been there, done that, still a lot of fun. It ignores support roles and encourages folks to bring dps versus the cov ops/logistics/webber thats absolutely needed. Every alliance has leeches. If they get popped, do I care? This is something that needs to be done at the corp level. One corps leech may be the ratting alt of a pvp'er thats sitting on a boring gate camp. The greatest value I see in killboards is who participates, and who can't be bothered to check intel channels. It doesn't require accurate killboards to figure this out. Originally by: Wesley Baird So why doesn't much of Smash want to post losses?? Because killmails don't really matter? We're bad enough about posting our kills. There are some processes in place to sync some of the killboards which is why I think anything gets updated. With the recent changes I don't think most know where the killboard is much less the password. Not worrying about the killboard takes the drama out. Oh. and tldr ^^^^.
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.17 22:05:00 - [143] Originally by: *****zilla Most of which is gathered in the intel channel or by watching the pew pew for a day or two. I rather have a hard historical record to follow, rather than the musings from an intel channel...which we both know is more than full of errors... How many time have you seen "OMG BWF is camped by 20 hostiles!!!!!" when the reality is, it was 8 guys...and 4 of them were ceptors.... Personally Im glad Smash doesnt post losses, it explains why your tactics havent evolved at all...but to deny that this information would be of use to someone say of the caliber of Scooter, is to deny reality! Fortunately for him, he reads the Roadkill KB...
Crackzilla The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 22:19:00 - [144] Edited by: ***zilla on 17/12/2007 22:26:16 Originally by: Wesley Baird ... RK kb has the same issues. tbh, I think you're the only one getting into a twist over this. And the only one that feels compelled to post in every smashkill thread.
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.12.17 22:33:00 - [145] Edited by: Wesley Baird on 17/12/2007 22:33:26 Originally by: *****zilla RK kb has the same issues. tbh, I think you're the only one getting into a twist over this. And the only one that feels compelled to post in every smashkill thread. Yes I do...its because I love you so much!!!!! My eve life would not be complete without hearing from my one true loves in the game...Smash... BTW much better to side-track a reasonable discussion with personal smacks...but hey, its the Smashkill way!
Boom ChickaBoom Caldari Friendly Pod Poppers	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:38:00 - [146] Originally by: Maximor Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom I did not create this thread to flame anyone including smashkill. I'm curious, if this wasn't your intent, what was? To bring to the light the fact that BWF is infrequently camped by various people other then Smashkill? Maybe it was to earn a pat on the back for your ability to blow things up? Or perhaps it was to show that you are capable of camping a zero sec entry point of which there are so (sarcasm) few in the game. Or is it possible that your little escapades are nothing more than a blip in the geminate region let alone Smashkill as a whole, and you are looking for more fame and notoriety than you deserve? When we want something moved, oddly enough, BWF seems to clear of campers. In all reality, very few people are willing to stand in their camps once real opposition arises. Perhaps if you had actually held BWF for any meaningful amount of time, your posts would mean more. However, it does bring to light that BWF is camped alot. Perhaps if there were some other way of moving goods and material from low sec into zero sec and back again. Some way to "jump" equipment over long distances. Maybe if there was a class or classes of ships that existed with "jump drives" and large cargo holds. But that's just crazy talk! Who would ever think of or use something like that? Maximor, I thought you only used your carriers to belt rat and your freighters to haul stuff through low sec unescorted. For someone who cares so little about loss as you, dont reply here. As far as my original post most of my questions were answered rather accuratly by peanut swsh. I did not say anything about posting loss mails or any K/D stats i was just wondering why you would all consider that much damage being done to you guys as a little rash that needs to be scratched.
Peoke Caldari Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:40:00 - [147] i dont need a kb to track my members. i look at gang chat in foutain to show me whos where we say to be. as for bwf for over 2 years theres been orders fron not bother to do it if you want. how many times do you see the regular fcs leading the defence gangs of bwf. the times i see that is when thread like this start and the your out blobing us threads.
Dez Affinity Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.17 23:43:00 - [148] Originally by: Wesley Baird So why doesn't much of Smash want to post losses?? Why is Roadkill so much better at posting losses?? I know if I were a Smash pvper these are questions I would want answered...but then Peoke would kick me for asking these questions...because no one is allowed to question the mighty Peoke!!! Peoke spells the password wrong and no one is able to guess it. Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom I did not say anything about posting loss mails or any K/D stats i was just wondering why you would all consider that much damage being done to you guys as a little rash that needs to be scratched. It's the same reason billionaires are like lolsowut when they drop a dollar. A dollar to a man with only ten to his name is a lot. Now I'm not saying smashkill is rich, but I am saying that it's just a percentage of a whole number. Originally by: Wesley Baird BTW much better to side-track a reasonable discussion with personal smacks...but hey, its the Smashkill way! Can I hire you to escort my badger mark 1 through bwf plx? _______________
Moloc Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.18 00:14:00 - [149] Originally by: Wesley Baird I rather have a hard historical record to follow, rather than the musings from an intel channel...which we both know is more than full of errors... How many time have you seen "OMG BWF is camped by 20 hostiles!!!!!" when the reality is, it was 8 guys...and 4 of them were ceptors.... Yes, and the other 12 didn't get on any mails. To claim that killmails are hard historical record is to deny what they are. They show kills, they don't show anything else. They don't show who was there and didn't get on any mails, they don't show mails that were lost to NPCs, they don't show as we so frequently come up against, foes who self destruct rather than give that 'oh so important' mail. The best time I've used a killboard is when people log off in our space, I go to their killboard and look at their carefully posted mails to work out what ship they were in. I can then quickly scan them down when they log back in, hours later, even if I wasn't at the original battle. I've killed dozens and dozens of people that way (10 over the course of a few hours as they logged in and were proved down). TBH providing your enemies with that info is rather foolish. But e-peen must prevail, even if it leads to further losses. The reason, we think activities in BWF are not significant, is because we've been in this space for well over a year, we have seen it. For the first few months the whole space and stations were held by hostile alliances. We've had Cruel Intentions, INFOD, Euphoria Released and other significant alliances have a go at us there, and we still came out of it stronger than before. So excuse us if we think that this is exactly the same, but even less of a threat. Posting losses is fine if it gains you intel, but if your board is publically available, you can be sure it will be used against you at least as often as it is used helpfully, kills as well as losses. You wouldn't know how many hostile forces I've tracked and avoided by looking at 'their' killboards. If you're a mercenary corp, and trying to sell your services, killboards are indispensible. Otherwise, you're just showing part of the picture, and more often than not showing it to people you don't want to see it.

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