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Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.15 18:50:00 - [61] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Hannobaal Edited by: Hannobaal on 15/12/2007 06:12:56 Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Hannobaal The Stealth Bomber is a more powerful ship than any other in its size and price class in Eve. It doesn't need a boost. Well that depends entirely on how you define "powerful". A well piloted inty will destroy a SB. A well piloted inty will most likely pop anything an SB can pop, and can also tackle and has much higher survivability. So, your logic is kinda faulty. Can two interceptors together put out more DPS than a Cruise fitted Raven? Can a Dreadnought put out enormous DPS. Yes. But it can't kill **. You still didn't even recognize the fact that I stated an interceptor can do the job better. A stealth bomber on it's own can't kill much. That's why you don't use them on their own. An interceptor can't do what a Stealth Bomber can do, at all**. Let alone "better".
Magius Paulus Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.12.15 18:51:00 - [62] I like the bombers as they are atm. Actually it's my favorite ship. True, if they could warp cloaked i like them even more, but that is the case of any ship out there. To make the best of a bomber, like some others already replied, you have to combine them.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.15 18:59:00 - [63] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Multras Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Multras Edited by: Multras on 14/12/2007 21:34:01 NO, how many times are these threads going to pop up? Grow some skill noobs, the ship is fine. And I would really love to see an inty pop my manticore, it wont happen. Fine, it won't. You'll just stay cloaked mr. elite. Or ill insta pop his ass. LOL! Oh jesus, you're exactly why I log on. Oh god, that was good. Wooo. Ok, I've got a grip on myself. Now: You are going to instapop a interceptor? CMON! Did you go on EFT again? Play the game dude, a ceptor going 6km/s is not going to be touched by your damn missiles buddy. Seriously, stop letting people download EFT. Remove it. Actually, if we're talking a solo situation between a Stealth Bomber and an interceptor, and the stealth bomber is fitted properly for the situation), the worst case scenario for the bomber will be neither side being able to hurt the other.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.15 19:10:00 - [64] Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Multras Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Multras Edited by: Multras on 14/12/2007 21:34:01 NO, how many times are these threads going to pop up? Grow some skill noobs, the ship is fine. And I would really love to see an inty pop my manticore, it wont happen. Fine, it won't. You'll just stay cloaked mr. elite. Or ill insta pop his ass. LOL! Oh jesus, you're exactly why I log on. Oh god, that was good. Wooo. Ok, I've got a grip on myself. Now: You are going to instapop a interceptor? CMON! Did you go on EFT again? Play the game dude, a ceptor going 6km/s is not going to be touched by your damn missiles buddy. Seriously, stop letting people download EFT. Remove it. Actually, if we're talking a solo situation between a Stealth Bomber and an interceptor, and the stealth bomber is fitted properly for the situation), the worst case scenario for the bomber will be neither side being able to hurt the other. Unless your Multras and let him get a lock on you. --
Multras Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.15 19:40:00 - [65] Edited by: Multras on 15/12/2007 19:45:09 Edited by: Multras on 15/12/2007 19:41:31 Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Multras Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Multras Edited by: Multras on 14/12/2007 21:34:01 NO, how many times are these threads going to pop up? Grow some skill noobs, the ship is fine. And I would really love to see an inty pop my manticore, it wont happen. Fine, it won't. You'll just stay cloaked mr. elite. Or ill insta pop his ass. LOL! Oh jesus, you're exactly why I log on. Oh god, that was good. Wooo. Ok, I've got a grip on myself. Now: You are going to instapop a interceptor? CMON! Did you go on EFT again? Play the game dude, a ceptor going 6km/s is not going to be touched by your damn missiles buddy. Seriously, stop letting people download EFT. Remove it. Or learn to fly the ship, your the reason why I dont want SBs to have a covert ops cloak. Learn to think outside the box and the ship is great. And hanno is right. 1v1 the worst a ceptor can do to me is fly about uselessly. And its great that you are flaming me when you have never seen me fly the ship. Thanks to EVE Art Store for the sig.
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.12.15 19:56:00 - [66] Originally by: Marcus Druallis You still didn't even recognize the fact that I stated an interceptor can do the job better. He probably can't think of a valid... or make up an imaginary argument to counter ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master Which is worse.. the Carebear or the pirate that whines about them?
Bruce Deorum Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 20:23:00 - [67] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Marcus Druallis You still didn't even recognize the fact that I stated an interceptor can do the job better. He probably can't think of a valid... or make up an imaginary argument to counter An SB is a capable sniper. Huge Alpha strikes from far away... It actually can camp and be unseen, and can isnta-pop things. A ceptor is a GI running fast around a target shooting with a pistol. With enough ammo and time can do the same dmg, even more over time. It loses the "surprise" advantage tho. A sniper cannot enter the field unseen. Not "directly". He has to sneak in "from a distance". "Go around". Once in location, he can camouflage himself or invent shelters etc, "cloaking" himself. He can travel "unseen", tho he has to be slow and careful. It could take him DAYS stalking his pray. Patience is a prerequisite. The "GI" can act like Rambo, shooting directly at the opponent, shouting "get me #)@!)%!+)$ losers" etc...it can be done...will a skilled soldier that is... All armies have snipers. Still more GIs. Giving a GI a sniper rifle won't make him a stealthy assassin. Takes patience and training. So its all down to the rifle's manufacturer then...it's his fault! Nieeee...all the above are just @@... Back to the "ppl are more bored than dedicated to make SBs work" argument. RP explanations apparently suck.
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2007.12.15 20:28:00 - [68] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Marcus Druallis You still didn't even recognize the fact that I stated an interceptor can do the job better. He probably can't think of a valid... or make up an imaginary argument to counter Well, considering that the interceptor and SB have totally different roles. Yeah, the inty is going to be better at it's role, while it certainly can't do the SB's role. Now, why again are we wondering if the interceptor can do a better job? _________ "You will be a drone in the hive of an insane Queen, existing solely to provide the ship with needs, links in a chain too complicated for you to understand." - Story: Hands of a Killer
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.15 20:30:00 - [69] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Marcus Druallis You still didn't even recognize the fact that I stated an interceptor can do the job better. He probably can't think of a valid... or make up an imaginary argument to counter Nothing to counter. An interceptor simply can't do what the stealth bomber does. Not better, nor worse. It just can't, at all. However, groups of Stealth Bombers do need interceptor support to be able to do what they do.
Multras Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.15 20:31:00 - [70] Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Marcus Druallis You still didn't even recognize the fact that I stated an interceptor can do the job better. He probably can't think of a valid... or make up an imaginary argument to counter Nothing to counter. An interceptor simply can't do what the stealth bomber does. Not better, nor worse. It just can't, at all. However, groups of Stealth Bombers do need interceptor support to be able to do what they do. Or a large bubble. Thanks to EVE Art Store for the sig.
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.12.15 20:37:00 - [71] Edited by: Illyria Ambri on 15/12/2007 20:37:21 Originally by: Bruce Deorum An SB is a capable sniper. Huge Alpha strikes from far away... It actually can camp and be unseen, and can isnta-pop things. Assuming the target is AFk or for some.. odd reason decides not to warp out during the 30 second flgiht time of the missiles. Originally by: Bruce Deorum A sniper cannot enter the field unseen. Not "directly". He has to sneak in "from a distance". "Go around". Once in location, he can camouflage himself or invent shelters etc, "cloaking" himself. He can travel "unseen", tho he has to be slow and careful. The entire point of a sniper is to not be seen at all. We are visible and vulnerable when we fire. EvE snipers are forced to show themselves. Entering the field unseen is the entire point. Dosen't matter how you do it.. cause once you are seen by popping up on overview as you warp in.. surprise over. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master Which is worse.. the Carebear or the pirate that whines about them?
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2007.12.15 20:42:00 - [72] Originally by: Bruce Deorum clip A sniper cannot enter the field unseen. Not "directly". He has to sneak in "from a distance". "Go around". Once in location, he can camouflage himself or invent shelters etc, "cloaking" himself. He can travel "unseen", tho he has to be slow and careful. It could take him DAYS stalking his pray. Patience is a prerequisite. clip Very well said, well said. Like I have said before, perhaps a increase to the SB's cloak speed boost would be more appropriate in this regard, over warping while cloaked. It would allow the SB to stalk the field more effectively, maintaining the above feel on how it hunts. Without making all of the covert ships the same. Otherwise, yes, the SB is fine the way it is now. _________ "You will be a drone in the hive of an insane Queen, existing solely to provide the ship with needs, links in a chain too complicated for you to understand." - Story: Hands of a Killer
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2007.12.15 20:48:00 - [73] Edited by: Selene Le''Cotiere on 15/12/2007 20:49:48 Originally by: Illyria Ambri The entire point of a sniper is to not be seen at all. We are visible and vulnerable when we fire. EvE snipers are forced to show themselves. Entering the field unseen is the entire point. Dosen't matter how you do it.. cause once you are seen by popping up on overview as you warp in.. surprise over. Perhaps what you are wanting then, is the ability to lock targets while cloaked. Which, while nice, would be a very powerful ability. As far as entering the field, if you plan ahead and are patient, you can enter the area cloaked. EDIT: "he entire point of a sniper is to not be seen at all." I thought sniping in EVE was about range mostly. _________ "You will be a drone in the hive of an insane Queen, existing solely to provide the ship with needs, links in a chain too complicated for you to understand." - Story: Hands of a Killer
Lisento Slaven Amarr Lisento and Miscellaneous Elk	Posted - 2007.12.15 21:02:00 - [74] Currently I hide in an asteroid belt cloaked and wait for people to come in and engage the rats or just sit there for a minute. If I feel I can take on the target, I de-cloak, lock, scramble (yes I'm solo), and tap him with 2x dampeners to increase his lock time. I'm usually about 20 - 23km away from them. If they are fighting the rats, even better. Being able to warp while cloaked will give me free reign of WHERE I can fight instead of just waiting in location X and hoping they go there. I fight in LOW-SEC so I can not engage on the stations or the gates unless I declare war (which I do not do often). I can only see cov-ops cloaking giving my stealth bomber more maneuverability. Now as far as 0.0 ops go...cov-ops cloak + bombs...I don't know. I would certainly like the cov ops cloak on my stealth bomber considering it can't tank anything. No really...it can't tank. It dies if it starts getting shot at. It also falls quickly to the whole cost-benefit analysis. Very limited array of targets you can take on by yourself. The more ships you add to your gang, why bother flying the stealth bomber anyways unless you just want to "look cool" when you can fly a t2 fitted Cruiser capable of doing more? I don't know. I just fly the stealth bomber because I like using ships everyone hates. If I could get a gang of stealth bombers together to just roam with I would. But we would die very quickly since we can't warp while cloaked and everyone would see us coming into the system (low-sec mind you, can't engage on gates so no point in cloaking on the gate and waiting). Then they just fit up to counter if they're able to. The ability to warp while cloaked would give me the opportunity to leave the system instead of sitting and waiting in it...yarrr...and more stuff probably. --- Put in space whales!
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:24:00 - [75] Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere Originally by: Bruce Deorum clip A sniper cannot enter the field unseen. Not "directly". He has to sneak in "from a distance". "Go around". Once in location, he can camouflage himself or invent shelters etc, "cloaking" himself. He can travel "unseen", tho he has to be slow and careful. It could take him DAYS stalking his pray. Patience is a prerequisite. clip Very well said, well said. Like I have said before, perhaps a increase to the SB's cloak speed boost would be more appropriate in this regard, over warping while cloaked. It would allow the SB to stalk the field more effectively, maintaining the above feel on how it hunts. Without making all of the covert ships the same. Otherwise, yes, the SB is fine the way it is now. Tbh, why do you need more speed once you are on the grid. You are firing from very long ranges (or should be, key is not to be locked). Most of your targets are going to be near to a station or gate. Why would you need to move fast, the idea is to camp within a range that you know you can hit them at. --
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:26:00 - [76] Edited by: Marcus Druallis on 15/12/2007 22:26:41 Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere Edited by: Selene Le''Cotiere on 15/12/2007 20:49:48 Originally by: Illyria Ambri The entire point of a sniper is to not be seen at all. We are visible and vulnerable when we fire. EvE snipers are forced to show themselves. Entering the field unseen is the entire point. Dosen't matter how you do it.. cause once you are seen by popping up on overview as you warp in.. surprise over. Perhaps what you are wanting then, is the ability to lock targets while cloaked. Which, while nice, would be a very powerful ability. As far as entering the field, if you plan ahead and are patient, you can enter the area cloaked. Second, eve sniping IS all about range. That's why you don't compare RL and EVE. EDIT: "he entire point of a sniper is to not be seen at all." I thought sniping in EVE was about range mostly. Firstly, we don't want to be able to lock cloaked. We have outright TOLD you what we want. We want the ability to move cloaked, until we decide to strike. You keep telling me patience. I have camped for hours in HED without a single hostile coming through the gate. I have plenty of patience. I'm just stating that I'd rather go to known hostile systems and be able to warp cloaked, so that my prey does not know exactly where the hell I am at all times in system. --
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:29:00 - [77] Originally by: Multras Edited by: Multras on 15/12/2007 19:45:09 Edited by: Multras on 15/12/2007 19:41:31 Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Multras Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Multras Edited by: Multras on 14/12/2007 21:34:01 NO, how many times are these threads going to pop up? Grow some skill noobs, the ship is fine. And I would really love to see an inty pop my manticore, it wont happen. Fine, it won't. You'll just stay cloaked mr. elite. Or ill insta pop his ass. LOL! Oh jesus, you're exactly why I log on. Oh god, that was good. Wooo. Ok, I've got a grip on myself. Now: You are going to instapop a interceptor? CMON! Did you go on EFT again? Play the game dude, a ceptor going 6km/s is not going to be touched by your damn missiles buddy. Seriously, stop letting people download EFT. Remove it. Or learn to fly the ship, your the reason why I dont want SBs to have a covert ops cloak. Learn to think outside the box and the ship is great. And hanno is right. 1v1 the worst a ceptor can do to me is fly about uselessly. And its great that you are flaming me when you have never seen me fly the ship. Oh I didn't flame you about what the ceptor can do to you. Read again. "Or ill insta pop his ass." --
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:33:00 - [78] Originally by: twit brent bombers would make rediculously good tacklers because they can go anywhere in system sneak up on enemies then instalock and tackle with no delay. This throws out the balance of covert ops cloaks completely and is the reason they use improved claok II's. That is why recons have targeting delay. Then by your logic covops ships are overpowered. --
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:40:00 - [79] Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere Perhaps what you are wanting then, is the ability to lock targets while cloaked. Which, while nice, would be a very powerful ability. Negative.. we want to be able to approach a target or gate camp without having to have been there before they arrived. This is not us asking for more damage or faster lock times or range. This is bomber pilots wanting to be able to do their job w/o necessarily having to be in position ahead of time. If there are 10 people camping a gate and lets say 2 inty's. Bomber warps in.. pops up on overview and the whole camp knows he's there, surprise over. We would simply like the ability to arrive cloaked... even if we cannot start a warp while cloaked... we just want to be able to arrive at our destination cloaked so we have a chance of actually surprising a camp and getting a chance for a kill. Remember once we decloak.. the whole camp starts targeting.. we get 1 chance that lasts as long as our missiles are in flight or as shortly as it takes for the nano ships to get in range (which we all know is a hell of alot less then 30 seconds). Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere As far as entering the field, if you plan ahead and are patient, you can enter the area cloaked. Yes its called arriving ahead of time and camping. Because if we don't arrive ahead of time and cloak.. then everyone and their grandmothers know when we arrive. Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere "he entire point of a sniper is to not be seen at all." I thought sniping in EVE was about range mostly. Bomber fires from 200km away from your,lets say you are flying a frigate of some sort, ship. that will take about 30 seconds to impact. A. Do you warp out B. Do you hit your MWD and race around outrunning or negating explosion radius C. Sit still and wait for the missiles to hit you D. Burn back to the gate and jump out. E. Any of the above while the nanos of your gang race and lock the bomber forcing him to die in the off chance his missiles will hit first.. or warp away, again negating any damage. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master Which is worse.. the Carebear or the pirate that whines about them?
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.15 23:15:00 - [80] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere Perhaps what you are wanting then, is the ability to lock targets while cloaked. Which, while nice, would be a very powerful ability. Negative.. we want to be able to approach a target or gate camp without having to have been there before they arrived. This is not us asking for more damage or faster lock times or range. This is bomber pilots wanting to be able to do their job w/o necessarily having to be in position ahead of time. If there are 10 people camping a gate and lets say 2 inty's. Bomber warps in.. pops up on overview and the whole camp knows he's there, surprise over. We would simply like the ability to arrive cloaked... even if we cannot start a warp while cloaked... we just want to be able to arrive at our destination cloaked so we have a chance of actually surprising a camp and getting a chance for a kill. Remember once we decloak.. the whole camp starts targeting.. we get 1 chance that lasts as long as our missiles are in flight or as shortly as it takes for the nano ships to get in range (which we all know is a hell of alot less then 30 seconds). This. --
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2007.12.15 23:23:00 - [81] Has anyone EVER considered setting up BM's off grid and approaching the gate/belt, what have you, cloaked? Would a increased speed boost help cover those distances better, or to help set up said BM's? Oh yeah. Does it achieve the same result as warping while cloaked? Yup. Does it take patience and planning? Yup Which would you have? Instant gratification or play a nice game of chess with your opponent? _________ "You will be a drone in the hive of an insane Queen, existing solely to provide the ship with needs, links in a chain too complicated for you to understand." - Story: Hands of a Killer
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.15 23:45:00 - [82] Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere Has anyone EVER considered setting up BM's off grid and approaching the gate/belt, what have you, cloaked? Would a increased speed boost help cover those distances better, or to help set up said BM's? Oh yeah. Does it achieve the same result as warping while cloaked? Yup. Does it take patience and planning? Yup Which would you have? Instant gratification or play a nice game of chess with your opponent? Not even close to warping in cloaked. YOu know, you can see the person warp in. When you see a big red square fly into your screen, you tend to take another look. --
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2007.12.15 23:52:00 - [83] I'll just add you to the list of "instant gratification" people... _________ "You will be a drone in the hive of an insane Queen, existing solely to provide the ship with needs, links in a chain too complicated for you to understand." - Story: Hands of a Killer
RoadKill101 Gallente Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2007.12.16 00:01:00 - [84] im a constant and proud user of Stealthbombers and they are fine as it is. just because one cloak ship can do somthing does not give access for another cloak ship to do it, just because they are 'similar' if u want to gank in a cloaker... use, a, recon? stop picking, ships are different for a reason ---------------------------------- llama's rule!
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.12.16 00:11:00 - [85] Plz dont compare to RL... You do realize snipers spend days getting in position and wait to ambush their targets (not just paradropping invisisible down into position) - I'm a nice guy!! But hook me up with some pew pew, because I'm really bored...
Bruce Deorum Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.16 00:33:00 - [86] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Selene Le'Cotiere Perhaps what you are wanting then, is the ability to lock targets while cloaked. Which, while nice, would be a very powerful ability. Negative.. we want to be able to approach a target or gate camp without having to have been there before they arrived. This is not us asking for more damage or faster lock times or range. This is bomber pilots wanting to be able to do their job w/o necessarily having to be in position ahead of time. If there are 10 people camping a gate and lets say 2 inty's. Bomber warps in.. pops up on overview and the whole camp knows he's there, surprise over. Yes, surprise is over... Still you can cloak and start moving before they can get a hold of you...plan your moves and attack a target of opportunity. "Playing the SB's game right" in SUFFICIENT numbers you could take out 1-2 targets with well organized - decloaks - missile firing-and insta pops - re-cloaks, or even the "decloak-fire-wait for missile to approach - deckloak for missile to hit - and cloak again" technique discribed already. Damps are your friends and you could be pushing your self even further away while waiting for the missiles to go critically close to the victim. Originally by: Illyria Ambri Bomber fires from 200km away from your,lets say you are flying a frigate of some sort, ship. that will take about 30 seconds to impact. Now, that's the weak link in your logic. Cruise missiles can hit up to 200km away...good point... Have you seen gang-Cruise-Ravens MWDing away before they launch their load? No...up to 200km range does not mean "must from 200km range"... A single SB can push you ~100km locking range, but that "buys time" for the victim, yet also for the SB to warp out should sth goes wrong. So long ranges are recommended if a dedicated tackler assures that the "victim" is not going anywhere like you are. Be bold. Ppl put scramblers, even webs in their SBs to engage up-close and personal. That's the meaning of picking targets and choosing weather you should decloak the first time. The SB dictates range so also the available time between decloak and impact - this is a double edge sword and there lies the whole "magic" that pays up for the camping boredom! Thus why an instant damaging or even "cloaked warping" SB would be overpowered. It could dictate each and every engagement with possibly no restrictions other than numbers. A typical 20-man gang just with SBs could warp-decloak-insta dmg/pop-recloak and harass almost ANYTHING, not even requiring tackling. Believe me. Even experienced PvPers are harassed by SBs in their homeland. Ratting and missioning stops, lots of commotion is going on, transportation of goods is postponed etc...the element of surprise does not goes off when you know that 2-3 SBs are around. Very effective gangs like that can simply camp AFK a pipe route and discomfort quite many That alone is something when you are doing behind enemy lines. I'll repeat - get 1-2 friends with you in SBs...3 SBs can pop may things with 1-2 volleys. Sensor booster and 24km scram on one of these, locking scrip dampeners and/or SB on the others...can pop MANY things quite safely, without giving re-aproaching etc options to anything smaller (effective HP wise) than a HAS. Even Bigger ships can be screw*d with more SBs similarly fitted.
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.12.16 01:17:00 - [87] I tackle bomber and 1-2 for support is awesome... ofcourse there is risc - I'm a nice guy!! But hook me up with some pew pew, because I'm really bored...
Megan Maynard Minmatar Clearspace Operations Carpe Diem.	Posted - 2007.12.16 06:30:00 - [88] 2 things. 1. You can't uncloak, shoot, and cloak immediately anymore. Making you one giant expensive target. I don't understand why that changed from Rev 2..... Made you stealthy but still not invincible. Now you have to wait 20-30 seconds if you are far away, uncloaked, and just waiting to be targeted and therefore have to warp out. Some may see this as overpowered but when your ship costs 30-40 mil and dies to anything that gets some hits on it.... 2. Bombs still can't be launched anywhere but 0.0. So you can smartbomb the hell out of someone but can't bomb them? Stupid. Plus the dang things are mineral heavy. The price is way jacked up so the supposedly "primary" weapon of the stealth BOMBer is too damn expensive, and can't be used anywhere but 0.0. I could care less for a cov-ops cloak, i was doing fine before the nerfed the shooting then cloaking functionality of the ship.
corroded	Posted - 2007.12.16 08:48:00 - [89] a couple of more opinions from little ol' me then. 1. having a humongous collection of bm's is a thing of the past. i have no wish to EVER having to make an offgrid bm just so i can do what the ship says in the description. its a workaround that shouldnt be needed. 2. having a covops cloak i personally dont agree with, even if the sb's would still be more than likely to die every time they fire. 3. as it is now, every time we land, our role is forfeit, the enemy knows of our presence and either warps or mwd's over to decloak, scram/web and pop our asses (unless theyre afk that is) 4. the only really viable use nowadays is to decloak last in a fleet so we wont be targeted. OR To park our asses somewhere and hope and pray that something without a <10 sec locktime and a gun will come by and stand still while we kill it. a couple of different solutions: 1: replace cloak with a covops.. And replace cruises with torps. it would force us closer and make us more liable to get popped, small targets wouldnt be insta-popped unless webbed. benefits would be that we can take on some bigger targets, if the situation is appropriate. 2: increasing stealthed speed would be somewhat tricky to balance out, so instead enable us to activate non-agressive mods while stealthed (mwd/ab sens-booster or just speedmods.) tbh, its a bit silly that we cant atm, all that rule is doing is being an annoyance. 3: allow us to lock without unstealthing (would function as a passive targetting) target would be alerted of the lock the moment we uncloak as the usual rule. 4: crazy solution, revoke the use of missiles on sb's, lower prices on bomblaunchers and bombs to sane munition-levels. i.e around 500k for unnamed t1 launcher and upwards, bombs costing a maximum of 2-3 mill depending on type, double that on t2 variants when/if available. (obviously ecm and neut bombs would be rather cheap compared to concussions)would sadly mean 0.0 only, though. devs have stated in the past that bombs are ment to be used to help break up the big blobs in eve, and that sb's are niche-ships. so why not go the distance and make it truly so? thats all i can think of atm

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