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Koodo Marilias State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.02.05 04:10:00 - [1] - Quote So I'm new and from what i've seen the only pvp that takes place is a group of people getting together to just go roam around and ambush some poor sap. No competition and no benefit from doing it besides the fact of just getting a kill. Besides 0.0 pvping to gain territory and protect there own, what purpose would anyone like me have to do it. I know I know its a "sandbox game" you can do what you want, but that's like saying to a high school basketball team "sure you can play ball, but only against NBA players, HAVE FUN:)". For a new player like me i would have no chance pvping without getting completely crushed so is there really any reason for me to attempt to pvp till i get like a years worth of SP and ISK, and don't say to get experience pvping because i don't think i need practice getting blown up( I'm guessing that's the easy part). I know pvp and all that goodness is what makes eve what it is. So really what I'm asking is grinding out missions or grinding rocks my only option for the next YEAR. Because that really sounds boring. P.S Take it easy I'm new and just asking
Serge Bastana GWA Corp 99	Posted - 2012.02.05 04:17:00 - [2] - Quote I would say that yes, you will lose ships to begin with but if you fly cheap stuff you can learn lessons that will make you more effective as you get into more expensive ships. By that time you should be earning enough to not worry about losing a cruiser or BC. Everybody loses ships, even experienced pilots, but those who don't sit around waiting for their sp or isk to mount up will gain more from making mistakes and will learn more lessons than those who wait for a long time. Give Red vs Blue a try for a couple of weeks, see what you think. Get some cheap frigates kitted out and stick to a budget, if you need help then perhaps some of the older pilots in those corps might help you out. It's all just experience, sp aren't as effective as that. in other MMO's stupid people are annoying. In EVE they are a valuable resource /facebrick for those times when /facepalm just isn't enough
Mirima Thurander Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign 253	Posted - 2012.02.05 04:26:00 - [3] - Quote i THOUGHT this thread was going to be about there not being a reason to PVP in EvE any more. so far there's only 2 reasons for the KMs or because your defending your space I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh.
Kessiaan Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings 57	Posted - 2012.02.05 04:27:00 - [4] - Quote Koodo Marilias wrote: For a new player like me i would have no chance pvping without getting completely crushed Back when I was a noob and thought mining was good money, I too thought like this. Then one day I got tired of people harassing me all the time and decided to fight back. And I discovered that all that BS people had been telling me about raw SP totals not mattering much so long as you focused your skill training was actually true. Shooting people was fun. After I'd shot enough people I ended up in corps where your killboard standings and your e-peen are one and the same, which made up for the times when shooting people wasn't quite as much fun anymore, and after I'd gotten a few dozen of my own ships blown I totally stopped caring about my ships as anything other than a disposable vehicle to play EvE in. I took a couple of long breaks from EvE. I have half as much SP as an equivalent character of the same age but I do just fine because rather than being able to fly all ships poorly I can fly a couple of races very well, and it just doesn't matter anymore, if it ever did. Now I pvp to pvp. It's kind of a zen thing. I have good corpmates to fly with, we have plenty of people to shoot at, we have our little corner of Stain to carebear in (or not, depending on who's decided to come visit us), and sure there may not be any real point when all is said and done but tbh I don't see how that's any different from any other MMO out there, save in EvE I'm not a slave to an NPC (or the devs telling me what content I should and should not be running and with whom, which is even worse). My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan
Umega Solis Mensa 99	Posted - 2012.02.05 04:31:00 - [5] - Quote Combat vets purposely will roll new toons, which obviously have low SP.. to get more fights without a reputation behind them. And they will succeed and get kills because of their knowledge on game mechanics, ship fits/abilities, and their obvious experince/skill at fighting. You can, and should.. read up on game mechanics and atleast somewhat understand how tracking, sig rez, sig radius, transversal/angular velocity, MWD bloom, falloff, optimal and such work. And then go get your ass killed, a lot. Cheap frigs can kill expensive battleships. The game really can be what you make of it.. it is upto you though. Don't let other people's jaded view points hold you back.. how can you simply know and understand.. until you actually try things for yourself? Take what you keep.. defend what you own. Be a pimp, and don't be someone's ***. It is easier to be a lil ***, all you have to do is lay down and spread'em, then whine a lot.. take the harder route, be a pimp and own.
Koodo Marilias State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.02.05 04:33:00 - [6] - Quote So pretty much it's ALL about the corp your in huh. So dumb question then but how am i supposed to find a good one besides believing what they tell me cuz let's face it, truth has no place on the internet. I don't want to have to bounce through 50 corps to find a good one because that will probably look bad. Also I've noticed that even though the corp says it has like 100 members, there's only like 5 guys that actually play anymore.
Koodo Marilias State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.02.05 04:36:00 - [7] - Quote But besides getting a solid KM is there benefits to pvping or really only in 0.0
Deen Wispa Screaming War Eagles Incorporated 114	Posted - 2012.02.05 04:38:00 - [8] - Quote Koodo Marilias wrote: So pretty much it's ALL about the corp your in huh. So dumb question then but how am i supposed to find a good one besides believing what they tell me cuz let's face it, truth has no place on the internet. I don't want to have to bounce through 50 corps to find a good one because that will probably look bad. Also I've noticed that even though the corp says it has like 100 members, there's only like 5 guys that actually play anymore. Do your due diligence. Ask alot of questions, infer and extrapolate, and use various 3rd party resources to help you figure out if what they say is true or incorrect. Think outside the box. Just because this is all virtual doesn't mean you should accept the preconceived notion that you're powerless. PS- I used to recruit and was also able to deduce if an applicant was lying to me as well. So it goes both ways. Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now.
Koodo Marilias State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.02.05 04:44:00 - [9] - Quote Hey thanks for all the tips guys, guess everyone in eve isn't a complete douche better get in there and get this happening
Umega Solis Mensa 99	Posted - 2012.02.05 04:45:00 - [10] - Quote Koodo Marilias wrote: But besides getting a solid KM is there benefits to pvping or really only in 0.0 Depends why you fought in the first place. Could be revenege, could be for justice and to help others, could be to save friends, could be to get tears, could be defense of ship/ideals/space, could be they have something really expensive n shiny you want to hack off their ship for yourself. Or could simply result in being an adrenline junky. When there is actual lose.. effort into your ship's existence and the thought that the ship could very well go bye bye forever.. no waking up in a station with your ship all safe n clean. Such creates extra adrenline, atleast for me.. than other MMOs with PvP elements. Makes the eyes widen, and heart race a bit more (I suggest learning to control it over time to avoid making mistakes from unclear thought). As far as finding a good one.. check adverts of corps and see what they offer, what they do. Take it a step further and look them up on Battleclinic and/or griefwatch and see how many kills/loses per week, and how many members are active, and what kind of style fighting they seem to prefer to associate with. And then, insert what you think you are looking for.. and give the one you like a shout.
ACE McFACE Acetech Systems 569	Posted - 2012.02.05 04:51:00 - [11] - Quote Well for me i PvP for fun. Thats why I join RvB occasionally Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt!
Alara IonStorm 1530	Posted - 2012.02.05 04:57:00 - [12] - Quote You don't have to wait a year to get PvP capable. If you are worried about being crushed by higher skill players you have to learn to rely on your gang, instead of worrying about being as good as some fictional opponent think what can I do for my Gang to help them win. I hated the whole idea of PvP in EVE when I started and have a whole page of terribly fit solo loss mails to show for it. I then started researching fits, tactics and directed my training to suit them and suddenly things got a lot better for me. Waiting a year is not something you need to do to get a gang capable ship that will be a genuine help. Tackle Rifters / Merlins are an easy train and for a real combat ship the Drake and Cane are the general direction you want to go. They are the common soldiers of EVE, the Ships of the People. Basically what you want is a T2 Weapon System, 5 T2 Drones and a T2 Tank with Support Skills at 4. This does not take to long to achieve and a meta 2-3 Gun fit Battlecruiser with LvL 4 Ship, Weapon, Tank and Support Skills is quite acceptable in most gangs. The important thing is finding folks to fly with. [Hurricane, My First Cane] Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive Warp Disruptor II 425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M Medium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I Medium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1 Here was my first real PvP Ship. I got T2 Auto's soon after, researched the fit and I saw good success with it. Flying a relatively skilled Battlecruiser like a Drake or a Cane is a liberating thing. They're is a reason most people don't role around in T1 Cruisers, Battlecruisers are everywhere and once you have a well skilled, properly fitted easily replaceable Battlecruiser flying in a coordinated Gang you won't feel like a newbie anymore. The reason I fly PvP is it is just fun and excitement. It is something to do. You grind up so a ship like this doesn't hurt your wallet then you go for it. I have done RvB and it is the most Fun I ever have had in EVE. It is an amazing Corp with a very low cost entry to PvP but I would suggest a few hundred mil and pre setting up your ships at the headquarters of the Corp you choose. Mostly Cruisers and Frigates I would pick a race and start focusing. I recommend it if you have the ISK. Just remember the 3 most Important things to do before PvP'ing. 1. Find Gang Mates. 2. Research, Research, Research Everything from fits to tactics. 3. Consider your Ship gone before you fly it. I don't mean you will loose it but if life without that ship deadends your game you are not ready to fly it. Once you can take it out and its lose won't effect your PvP / PvE future you are ready to fly it. So if you want to PvP start earning a nest egg and start researching fits. Starter PvP is a Mountain in this game and you are at the Base. Staring at it won't help so start now even if it is only preparing yourself for the climb.
Plutonian Intransigent 74	Posted - 2012.02.05 04:58:00 - [13] - Quote I'm a solo lowsec 2006 character who enjoys T1 frigates. I get killed all the time by younger pilots.
Gorongo Frostfyr Shimohi Heavy Industries 36	Posted - 2012.02.05 04:58:00 - [14] - Quote killmails
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School 55	Posted - 2012.02.05 05:10:00 - [15] - Quote Because this game has the absolute worst PvE, be it shooting rocks or red crosses
Ioci Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 73	Posted - 2012.02.05 05:24:00 - [16] - Quote When you say "I'm new" I really don't know what you mean but if by new you mean 6 months? There really is a point where it is moot how many skill points you have or I have. A 6 month char can in fact cap Assault frigate skills for any given race. You would be as good as I am in that frigate and while I might beat you on experience, the raw power of the skill points and the ship in a 1 vs 1 we would end in a draw alot of times. Also, most battles as you said are fleet battles. Ships in EVE are all niche and have holes in thier function. There is no ship that can handle any situation. There are fleets that can do that but they are huge, in the thousands and hard to manage in EVE. I think like you after 7 years. I PvP with purpose or I don't PvP. I refuse to grief, I won't abide by the not blue shoot it and I will never PvP for the sole purpose of "tears". It is not in my nature to be hatefull like that, I don't find it entertaining. So I find situations that allow me to pvP within my guide. I find people who think the same way and I fleet to defend them. I have never lost a ship or got a killmail defending myself. It has 100% defending others. Thats my niche. Find yours.
Aiwha 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda 126	Posted - 2012.02.05 05:57:00 - [17] - Quote Because. Regards, LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 307	Posted - 2012.02.05 06:08:00 - [18] - Quote Making things explode is fun.
Red Teufel Blackened Skies THE UNTHINKABLES 37	Posted - 2012.02.05 06:34:00 - [19] - Quote fair fights happen but only out of chance typicaly.
Tore Vest 187	Posted - 2012.02.05 06:45:00 - [20] - Quote Why do PVP when you can be a carebear.... and live in peace and harmony ? Highsec carebear... and proud of it
Alara IonStorm 1532	Posted - 2012.02.05 06:47:00 - [21] - Quote Tore Vest wrote: Why do PVP when you can be a carebear.... and live in peace and harmony ? Peace is much easier to attain when everyone around you is in pieces.
Tore Vest 187	Posted - 2012.02.05 06:52:00 - [22] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: Tore Vest wrote: Why do PVP when you can be a carebear.... and live in peace and harmony ? Peace is much easier to attain when everyone around you is in pieces. Yeah... Sansha in pieces makes me peacefull.... And harmony comes when my wallet starts to blink Highsec carebear... and proud of it
Alaric Faelen Black Rebel Rifter Club 68	Posted - 2012.02.05 07:09:00 - [23] - Quote It doesn't matter if you are in an all T1 fit frigate, if you can get into a fleet of half decent pilots, then do it. Do it sooner than later. There is SOOOO much more to combat in Eve than just shooting at other people. It's a mind bogglingly complicated set of rules, timers, methods, attacks, counters, on and on. Even if you never find a target or if you are two-shot killed in your first engagement- you will have gained a mountain of new information by the time you're done. In fact, actual pew pew combat really is sorta hard to get to SP and isk-wise. In anything but a well fit ship you just won't last long enough to really learn much under fire. Even shiny fit ships don't survive long when primaried or just outflown by your enemy. But there's just so much more to it than the wild a$$ furballs out in space- that just getting into fleets and whoring KMs by doing .02% of the damage will still teach you volumes more than any post or guide. Get voice comms, ask questions- Eve vets freaking LOVE to blather on and on- trust me. Yes, it does make a huge difference having the ability to T2 fit a ship, or use T2 ships themselves. But that is just one very small facet to a much larger world of PvP that simple experience is the best teacher for. Plus, it's fun. That's all it needs to be.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 346	Posted - 2012.02.05 07:35:00 - [24] - Quote Okay... I'll try to articulate this as best I can (bear with me, I'm fairly inebriated)... Koodo Marilias wrote: So I'm new and from what i've seen the only pvp that takes place is a group of people getting together to just go roam around and ambush some poor sap. No competition and no benefit from doing it besides the fact of just getting a kill. To each his own. But the big part in roams is that you are never 100% sure what you might deal with. You can fit your gang of ships to be as well rounded/specialized/off-beat as you can... but there is always that chance that you will run into another gang (be it veteran or newbie) or the [rare] solo player that is specifically prepared to deal with your group. The "competition factor" comes from not being prepared for all scenarios you might run into and how you best deal with said situation. Koodo Marilias wrote: what purpose would anyone like me have to do it. I know I know its a "sandbox game" you can do what you want, but that's like saying to a high school basketball team "sure you can play ball, but only against NBA players, HAVE FUN:)". By being thrown into the "hardcore" early on you know [more or less] what to expect and can start learning sooner. Yeah... you won't "win" early on... but you will see what tactics other player use and have more time to devise counter-tactics to get around the other players' tactics... even with a "limited" skill-set. Koodo Marilias wrote: For a new player like me i would have no chance pvping without getting completely crushed so is there really any reason for me to attempt to pvp till i get like a years worth of SP and ISK, and don't say to get experience pvping because i don't think i need practice getting blown up( I'm guessing that's the easy part). Getting "blown up" is a fact of life for any PvP player. In fact... anytime you undock you should prepared for the off-chance that you will be shot at... for any reason. If you are "blown up" it means that the other player used superior tactics, ships, had superior skills, etc. and you need to find a way around that. Koodo Marilias wrote: I know pvp and all that goodness is what makes eve what it is. So really what I'm asking is grinding out missions or grinding rocks my only option for the next YEAR. Because that really sounds boring. Pro-tip: You don't need "the best" skills to compete. Outside of "core skills" (which take about a month to train) you can be PvP ready by merely getting most of your skills in a specific area to level 4. Getting skills to level 5 only adds an extra 5% here... 2% there... and that is nothing that a few well placed mods and/or tactics can't get around. Just remember... only a certain amount of skills apply to any one ship or mod at any one time... and players can only fly one ship at a time. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Darth Gustav Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 73	Posted - 2012.02.05 08:17:00 - [25] - Quote Koodo Marilias wrote: So I'm new and from what i've seen the only pvp that takes place is a group of people getting together to just go roam around and ambush some poor sap. No competition and no benefit from doing it besides the fact of just getting a kill. Besides 0.0 pvping to gain territory and protect there own, what purpose would anyone like me have to do it. I know I know its a "sandbox game" you can do what you want, but that's like saying to a high school basketball team "sure you can play ball, but only against NBA players, HAVE FUN:)". For a new player like me i would have no chance pvping without getting completely crushed so is there really any reason for me to attempt to pvp till i get like a years worth of SP and ISK, and don't say to get experience pvping because i don't think i need practice getting blown up( I'm guessing that's the easy part). I know pvp and all that goodness is what makes eve what it is. So really what I'm asking is grinding out missions or grinding rocks my only option for the next YEAR. Because that really sounds boring. P.S Take it easy I'm new and just asking To try to determine who has the better combination of pilot skills, player skills, ship fit, tactics, and strategy. Also for the lulz. Also because without pvp the market would collapse and production alts around the cosmos would go idle and CCP would lose subs and shut down the game. You don't want CCP to have to shut down, do you? Do you?!? Very good then! PVP!
Plutonian Intransigent 76	Posted - 2012.02.05 09:15:00 - [26] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Okay... I'll try to articulate this as best I can (bear with me, I'm fairly inebriated)... Your avatar, indeed, looks a bit inebriated. Quote: Pro-tip: You don't need "the best" skills to compete. Outside of "core skills" (which take about a month to train) you can be PvP ready by merely getting most of your skills in a specific area to level 4. Getting skills to level 5 only adds an extra 5% here... 2% there... and that is nothing that a few well placed mods and/or tactics can't get around. Just remember... only a certain amount of skills apply to any one ship or mod at any one time... and players can only fly one ship at a time. This ^ 1.) There are a great number of bad fits out there. A T1 frig with meta 4 hardware, backed by lvl 4 skills, can kill them easily. 2.) I consider T1 frigs the 'Great Equalizer'. There is no margin for error. The ammo you load in your guns (before the fight) can determine the winner. Take a perfectly new player... someone who's never played Eve in his life... and give him 60 trillion isk. Give him all level 5 skills. Give him faction-fit pirate battleships and every insanely-priced implant in the game. Now... put that player in lowsec and watch the train wreck commence. He will lose every damn thing he owns. Take a veteran player who has PvP'ed for a year. Biomass his character, give him a brand new one with no skills trained. He will be killing people within the week. Don't ever let low skill points stop you from experiencing what this game does best.
Sicex 50	Posted - 2012.02.05 11:15:00 - [27] - Quote @OP AHHHHHHHHHHHHH. The fact that you can even ASK this question today shows how broken EVE has become. New Eden should never present you the 'choice' of PVPing beyond the undock button.
Lady Spank Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 1448	Posted - 2012.02.05 11:40:00 - [28] - Quote Some people choose to PVP because it is the pivotal element of the game. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Tub Chil Heretic University Heretic Nation 15	Posted - 2012.02.05 11:40:00 - [29] - Quote Your question sounds like: "hey I just finished downloading BF3 from origin, I don't get it, why do I need to shoot all those people?"
Roxwar Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2012.02.05 11:48:00 - [30] - Quote Maybe PVP because its fun? Nothing in this game - admittedly my time is limited - has got my blood pumping, heart pounding and given me a rush like PVP has. Even though 9 times out of 10 i die, sometimes get podded too for good measure, i cant imagine getting the same experience from doing anything else within EVE. Skill points are important, but real skills - as in piloting, not Skillpoints - count for more i think. Many people have told me of idiot PVP'ers who fly expensive ships badly and get spanked by cheap and easily replacable ships by people that actually have skills when PVP'ing. But a load of rifters ( or your racial frig type ) and fit them out cheaply and go into low sec and learn how to use your D-scan to find other frigs and dont be afraid of dying, because it will happen A LOT at first. http://roxwar.blogspot.com/
Solstice Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 1336	Posted - 2012.02.05 13:07:00 - [31] - Quote Stop thinking about the "why", start thinking about the "how". Lack information ? Read up on the game mechanics. You can win fights as a noob too ... given you know what you're doing. Practice makes perfect. Also, blobs don't matter ... again, you just have to be smart about it. Although that's probably way beyond you for now ... but to cheer you up a little: A blob is just a bunch of single targets you can snipe separately ! :D Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire
Miss Whippy Bloody Limeys 60	Posted - 2012.02.05 13:13:00 - [32] - Quote 0 out of a possible 10 for OP troll.
Chip Flux Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.05 13:33:00 - [33] - Quote The bounty system has been broken for longer than I have been here. The original creators of eve knew full well that one was needed, but ccp have never come up with a good idea to enable it. In my opinion, EVERY action you take EVERYWHERE, should reflect a concord bounty. So in other words, if you shoot first, or steal etc, your bounty increases. This also applys to standings. Im sorry, but unless i have a good fleet around me, 99% of you (including me) are just not worth it.
Chip Flux Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.05 13:51:00 - [34] - Quote and that brings us back to doing pvp for the love of it, I love flying with the fleet. it is serious stuff. i dont `love` pvp for pvp`s sake, unless it is a fair fight and hopefully, part of a tournament. My hat is off to those amoungst us that do fight for the love of it, i give you full respect. You will probably always have the edge on me. But that is not most people... most people need reason..... a reward . to justify the risk

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 297	Posted - 2012.02.05 13:53:00 - [35] - Quote You should check out the podcast Bringing Solo Back by Kil2 and Kovorix. They have good discussion on the game mechanics of PVP and how to find good fights. Kil2's youtube channel is also pretty inspiring. CCP Nullarbor \| Exotic Dancer

Chip Flux Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.05 14:07:00 - [36] - Quote eve pvp is too fundamental to gameplay to have to need study podcasts to enable this is the heart of eve we talk about, not how to get around silly mechanics
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront 274	Posted - 2012.02.05 14:18:00 - [37] - Quote Mirima Thurander wrote: i THOUGHT this thread was going to be about there not being a reason to PVP in EvE any more. so far there's only 2 reasons for the KMs or because your defending your space "LOL", null monkeys and their tunnel vision. My prioritised list as to why I pew: Personal challenge. Fun Vengeance, Love/Hate (FW uber alles!) Fun. Experimentation. Fun. KM's (OMG! At the BOTTOMMMMmm) Doesn't matter either way, sky is falling and all that .. hahahahaha
Chip Flux Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.05 14:46:00 - [38] - Quote it is quite simple, I see you you look juicy I kill you or you kill me personally, i avoid all fights outside the fleet, where i could be said to be doing it for love
Valei Khurelem 265	Posted - 2012.02.05 14:52:00 - [39] - Quote Miss Whippy wrote: 0 out of a possible 10 for OP troll. People like you don't add anything to the conversation and very rarely have any legitimate arguments worth listening to so why post and waste our time? "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
Joran Jackson The Red Circle Inc. 2	Posted - 2012.02.05 14:57:00 - [40] - Quote Like everyone said, fly in frigs and learn stuff. By the time you get old enough to be flying expensive stuff the game becomes a huge efficiency war, so just going out and losing stuff sort of kills your reputation. I would enjoy it while you can. If I can suggest a corp Red vs Blue is a fantastic place for the young PvPer.
Chip Flux Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.05 14:59:00 - [41] - Quote the only way i have seen them make frigates more viable lately is in nerfing highsec sigs, we went out in a vexor gang of new players mostly and every sig had a gate restrictung it to frigates. its usual way ccp solves things lately, the fastest cheapest way. EXCLUSION again
Ghoest 253	Posted - 2012.02.05 16:32:00 - [42] - Quote By any rational measure an individual "wins" EVE by not fighting. There are a few exceptions where you are part of a profitable enterprise that requires defense ad conquest but even this in most cases isnt as profitable as the players think. Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Ambo I've Got Nothing 27	Posted - 2012.02.05 17:44:00 - [43] - Quote Don't know if you'll read this far bit if you do... Asking 'why pvp in eve' is pretty much the same as asking 'why play eve'. I play eve cos it's fun. I pvp cos it's fun. There really is no other reason. After all, the whole purpose of a game is to entertain you. When other aspects of eve stopped entertaining me I turned to pvp and found it to be about so much more than I ever imagined. I too thought that eve combat was all about selecting orbit and hitting f keys. The thing is, if you don't enjoy going further down that rabbit hole then you probably won't enjoy the final destination either /ramble
Valei Khurelem 266	Posted - 2012.02.05 17:47:00 - [44] - Quote Quote: Asking 'why pvp in eve' is pretty much the same as asking 'why play eve'. Industrialists and mission runners who make all your ISK and items called, they want their subscription money back. "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
Indahmawar Fazmarai The I and F Taxation Trust 230	Posted - 2012.02.05 17:47:00 - [45] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Making things explode is fun. Yes. Did it for over 2 years and 2,000 missions. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á
Fredfredbug4 Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control 35	Posted - 2012.02.05 18:34:00 - [46] - Quote Because mining and hauling is boring as hell and killing bots is extremely unsatisfying. Honestly, putting millions of dollars on the line for just a few moments in time is lots of fun and extremely satisfying. Fair fights aren't as hard to come by as people make it out to be. Generally, rolling with a fleet of at least 10 people will get you plenty of fair fights.
Koodo Marilias State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.02.05 19:04:00 - [47] - Quote Hey thanks for all the advice guys, there is certainly one sure thing i can say for eve and that's eve players seem to be the most passionate players for the game then any other I've seen
J Kunjeh 367	Posted - 2012.02.05 19:06:00 - [48] - Quote Ghoest wrote: By any rational measure an individual "wins" EVE by not fighting. So if my idea of "winning Eve" is killing the other guy in pew-pew action, the best way to do that is to not fight? Hmm...I'll have to consider that route. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á
Hainnz Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 77	Posted - 2012.02.05 19:22:00 - [49] - Quote Faction Warfare can be fun. Fleet up and destroy the evil frogs (or silly pies). When I'm solo, PVP is more fun in the avoidance of it. The most fun I have in this game is venturing out into dangerous space, avoiding some of the most clever mobs in any MMO, and coming back with my cargohold stuffed with treasure. I don't sell or even use the stuff. My deadspace mods are like trophies. :-)
nate555 GODHC INTERSTELLAR FLEET 42	Posted - 2012.02.05 19:40:00 - [50] - Quote Look up kil2. He has a mass off solo pvp videos where he talks about them. His YouTube name is jampyzero.
Kessiaan Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings 59	Posted - 2012.02.05 20:56:00 - [51] - Quote J Kunjeh wrote: Ghoest wrote: By any rational measure an individual "wins" EVE by not fighting. So if my idea of "winning Eve" is killing the other guy in pew-pew action, the best way to do that is to not fight? Hmm...I'll have to consider that route. I think one of the best things about EvE is people can define their own victory conditions. My rational measure of winning at EvE is being ranked highly on Battleclinic. From that perspective certain activites that cost a fair bit of ISK but generate a lot of points (like this weekend's suicide ganking spree in Tash Murkon , which cost about 500M when all was said and done since I purchased an Orca specifically for that purpose, ofc I still have the Orca so future ops won't be so spendy, but I digress...) move me closer to winning. But if you think winning is having a lot of ISK, then that doesn't make much sense at all. If you accept that other people have their own agendas and their own way of going about them, the actions of people who have a different playstyle than you suddenly make a lot more sense. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan
Shang Fei The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated 17	Posted - 2012.02.06 10:41:00 - [52] - Quote because dropping 20+ bombers on an alliance FC scouting his fleet home and blowing him up in 10seconds is realy fun, especially as his 100man gang jumps in as we're clearing local :D http://illuminatii.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11488797 many angry comments where made in local chat :>
Citizen Smif Comply Or Die 69	Posted - 2012.02.06 10:51:00 - [53] - Quote I'll give you some helpful advice Join a decent PvP corp - whether it be 0.0, low sec or high sec PvP. You can see whether there a decent corp by doing a simple google search on their name.. There killboard will come up and you can see how often they do PvP, whether they do small gang or blob and where abouts they do all this.. Then after you've done all of that you can choose to join or simply leave it. Most PvP corps are happy to take newer players since you're pretty much a blank slate - you can train towards skills/ships that would be most beneficial to the corp. Plus in the meanwhile some extra tackle is always helpful. High Sec corps PvP to defend their POS, merc for money or grief for money OR grief for the sheer hell of it. Low Sec PvP corps just like to blow the **** out of everything. 0.0 corps PvP to defend their space. And then theres WH corps.. But they tend to be pretty elite and hardcore imo so I'd start with one of the above first. Just have a look about and see what suits you best.. getting into a decent corp should be of no concern. Most good PvP corps have a "Training/University" corp anyway. Ultimately PvP is the endgame of eve.. Whether it is to control a profitable system, or to just build up your reputation as a decent PvPer. Even as a successful industrialist you'll ultimately be engaging in PvP because there will be others who will want to take your business/undercut you at every oppurtunity. There are plenty of practical uses for PvP (it's not completely pointless.) But personally I just PvP because I find it enjoyable.. Theres nothing better than small gang warfare, just wait until your on the winning side - you'll never look back. Good luck!
TheBlueMonkey Natural Progression 17	Posted - 2012.02.06 12:35:00 - [54] - Quote Only thing stoping you from pvping is the thought that you can't. oh and the single best reason for doing it, because you find it fun.
Honnete Du Decimer 41	Posted - 2012.02.06 14:54:00 - [55] - Quote Biggest zerg win. PMS
Aloe Cloveris The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple 77	Posted - 2012.02.06 14:58:00 - [56] - Quote The fun in fighting might be the smugness that comes with knowing player behaviors and game mechanics well enough that you can readily identify both the other guy's piloting fuckups and his ship's weaknesses and then exploit these to your advantage. The icing is that you get to keep his stuff because you are smart and he is dumb. Or maybe you get off on humiliating the loser in local. Or it could just be doing something with your internet space brosefs a little more adventurous than shooting rocks. All sorts of opportunities and crazy ** happens outside of highsec. Personally, after spending my first year grinding missions and even ***** mining, the thought of ever doing that again sickens me. But yeah, I'm gonna parrot the "Join RvB" thing. You will have fun while learning game mechanics (on the cheap with cheap-fit T1 frigates). You will like fighting. It's the only redeeming feature of this game, tbh.
Serene Repose Perkone Caldari State 218	Posted - 2012.02.06 15:10:00 - [57] - Quote You should PvP to get out that male angst driven need to prevail over someone else so your insecurity complex can be assuaged for a few minutes. It must feel good to get out from under that "I'm a nobody" feeling. Yes, just ask Charlie Sheen. It's WINNING. Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold.
Sade Onyx Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.02.07 09:52:00 - [58] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: You should check out the podcast Bringing Solo Back by Kil2 and Kovorix. They have good discussion on the game mechanics of PVP and how to find good fights. Kil2's youtube channel is also pretty inspiring. Thanks for this link! My inspiration, it is brimming! =]
Saladin Boneslash EveMerc's 0	Posted - 2012.02.07 19:25:00 - [59] - Quote Why pvp? Why do people play baseball, football (american or international versions) or tennis? Why do some race cars, motorcycles or bicycles? It's all for the fun and competition. Some people get their enjoyment out of shooting NPCs or rocks, and I have no problem with that. I've done that and it can provide a level of enjoyment. But it's kinda like going to the batting cage versus playing a game of baseball. The batting cage pitching machine throws the same kind of pitch over and over without using any kind of "strategy" to fool you. In a live game, it's real competition, though, where the pitcher is trying to do things to make you fail, and you are trying to succeed in beating his team. While it can be fun to spend some time in the cage, it just doesn't compare to the real game. I've never driven a race car, but I'll bet that driving laps around a track, trying to beat your previous best time can be a challenge and be some fun. But when you have 15 other drivers out there bumping, blocking, and trying to pass you, I bet it's a whole lot more fun. That's why I pvp. I love the tactical strategy and maneuvering, especially the "sneak". The gathering of intel, guessing about how the other guy is fit (standard setup or does he have an oddball fit that might be a perfect counter to me?), who he might have as backup, how he will react when I decloak next to him, etc. Shooting rats in a mission or site just doesn't have the same element of the unknown. They always react the same way and are always fit the same way. Ultimately, it is all a game. In real life I would never be the mean jerk. I'm about as nice a guy as you would ever meet and I'll go far out of my way to help you in any way I can. But EVE is a game where nobody actually gets hurt, and I'm gonna do everything in my power to beat you down and win. If I fail and you win, nice job. I'll go home (or wake up in a clone vat) with a smile on my face, knowing that I entered the competition rather than sitting in the stands. I'll learn my lesson and be better prepared for the next time. It's all pixels and fun.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 48	Posted - 2012.02.07 19:59:00 - [60] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: You should PvP to get out that male angst driven need to prevail over someone else so your insecurity complex can be assuaged for a few minutes. It must feel good to get out from under that "I'm a nobody" feeling. Yes, just ask Charlie Sheen. It's WINNING. Nothing like getting on something sweet like a Tengu or carrier killmail. Except maybe a titan killmail.
fuer0n Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2012.02.07 20:03:00 - [61] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: You should PvP to get out that male angst driven need to prevail over someone else so your insecurity complex can be assuaged for a few minutes. It must feel good to get out from under that "I'm a nobody" feeling. Yes, just ask Charlie Sheen. It's WINNING. mooooo
fuer0n Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2012.02.07 20:05:00 - [62] - Quote Honnete Du Decimer wrote: Biggest zerg win. .
fuer0n Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2012.02.07 20:15:00 - [63] - Quote Tore Vest wrote: Why do PVP when you can be a carebear.... and live in peace and harmony ? .
fuer0n Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2012.02.07 20:17:00 - [64] - Quote because you want to. ccp you have sa long way to go on this imo. /shrug.
fuer0n Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2012.02.07 20:21:00 - [65] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Serene Repose wrote: You should PvP to get out that male angst driven need to prevail over someone else so your insecurity complex can be assuaged for a few minutes. It must feel good to get out from under that "I'm a nobody" feeling. Yes, just ask Charlie Sheen. It's WINNING. Nothing like getting on something sweet like a Tengu or carrier killmail. Except maybe a titan killmail. LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfVC7GMi8O0&feature=autoplay&list=FLd6cp6KPtExzpJwUHq-KhxA&lf=plpp_video&playnext=11
Koodo Marilias State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.02.08 21:27:00 - [66] - Quote So by the sounds of things and the responses, it seems as if pvp is something you have to go out of your way to do. If pvp is what the main focus of fun in eve, which Basically means you have to go out of your way to have fun. That doesn't seem right.
Valei Khurelem 280	Posted - 2012.02.08 21:54:00 - [67] - Quote Koodo Marilias wrote: So by the sounds of things and the responses, it seems as if pvp is something you have to go out of your way to do. If pvp is what the main focus of fun in eve, which Basically means you have to go out of your way to have fun. That doesn't seem right. That's what I've been saying is wrong with this game the whole time, PvPers claim say you shouldn't force your playstyle on them, but their playstyle is pretty much focused on making other people as miserable as possible in the game, it doesn't make any sense. "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
Djakku Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED 39	Posted - 2012.02.08 22:39:00 - [68] - Quote Why is "cos pwning teh scrubz is phun" not a valid answer anymore?
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 857	Posted - 2012.02.08 22:49:00 - [69] - Quote Because it's exciting. And no, I'm not one of those looking to expand sov, pile up killmails, or just ambush hapless victims. I'm in it for the FIGHTS.

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