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Riddick37
Bladerunner Research and Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.05 05:58:00 -
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After playing Eve for awhile and other games Eve has stood out with its Skill train way... other games you kill something you get EXP ((experience points)) and that allows skills to level, here yah just wait... could it get anymore boring? Yes Mine? PVE? PVP? but there is a line where Making Isk and losing isk gets boring... How about work for something worth more.... something we all want.. SKILL POINTS
Angents reward Loyalty points some dont, couldnt CCP make ones the reward Skill points? not rediculous amounts but a reasnoble amount. like
Level 1 missions Range From 0-100 SP
Level 2 Missions Range From 101-200SP
Level 3 Missions Range From 201-300SP
Level 4 Missions Range From 301-400SP
and
Level 5 Missions Range From 401-500SP
Im not sure if someone has tried to sugest and idea like this before or not...
this would Promote missions alot more... added we get abit of ISK as well with the Reward... And even have a choice to have a LP reward OR SP Reward..
I know i would be doing Missions that rewarded like that, Instead of just waiting 30+days with lvl 4 Inplants to train a skill and it wouldnt detour new gamers from playing this game if they found out there was also a quick way to train skills...
CCP you guys would be making a killing off this game cause for some reason i love it i have 4 accounts on here of my own.. and im slowly getting bored of the game because im sick of making isk and losing it.... waiting to long to try out a new mod or ship cause i have to wait almost 2-3 months to fly it properly... If anyone else can sugest/argue to my idea go ahead.. end of the day its just a sugestion to Promote missioning and game play. |
Craggus
Brothers of Madness
The Aslyum
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Posted - 2012.02.05 06:46:00 -
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Good luck. I have no suggestion or argument, except that this will never happen. |
Riddick37
Bladerunner Research and Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.05 07:01:00 -
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One can only try. CCP doesnt have to do it like that but with in reason of something like that.. CCP needs to give something other then just ISK and LP To work for... its starting become abit boring now... |
Craggus
Brothers of Madness
The Aslyum
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Posted - 2012.02.05 07:30:00 -
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Riddick37 wrote:One can only try. CCP doesnt have to do it like that but with in reason of something like that.. CCP needs to give something other then just ISK and LP To work for... its starting become abit boring now...
Getting something more than ISK and LP won't fix boredom. They would need to rework how missions are done to fix that. |
Ifly Uwalk
Concentrated Evil
Mining For Profit Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.05 07:36:00 -
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You want EXP? gb2wow
Stop poasting.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2012.02.05 07:42:00 -
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Riddick37 wrote:
Im not sure if someone has tried to sugest and idea like this before or not...
Frequently. Usually in the Skills subforum where it invariably meets a fiery demise.
Linking gameplay to SP is anathema to everything that makes EVE unique. Specifically linking missions to SP is particularly bad in a self-described PvP-driven game. Why, pray tell, should mission runners get something extra and unique for grinding L4s with little to no risk -- to keep them doing it? |
Riddick37
Bladerunner Research and Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.05 07:47:00 -
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Craggus wrote:Riddick37 wrote:One can only try. CCP doesnt have to do it like that but with in reason of something like that.. CCP needs to give something other then just ISK and LP To work for... its starting become abit boring now... Getting something more than ISK and LP won't fix boredom. They would need to rework how missions are done to fix that.
Well its more to the point that i think SP would be more value to people and, it'd help people skill train somewhat faster and spend a month PVPing/ratting/Missioning/Mining With there new ships and test out there new skills quiker... and it wouldnt to much more boring, |
Riddick37
Bladerunner Research and Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.05 07:51:00 -
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End of the day guys its a game and a sugestion... toward the game. really appreciating the comments. but dont tell me or anyone else here to stop posting... Dont read this subject.. if you disagree |
Riddick37
Bladerunner Research and Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.05 08:10:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Riddick37 wrote:
Im not sure if someone has tried to sugest and idea like this before or not...
Frequently. Usually in the Skills subforum where it invariably meets a fiery demise. Linking gameplay to SP is anathema to everything that makes EVE unique. Specifically linking missions to SP is particularly bad in a self-described PvP-driven game. Why, pray tell, should mission runners get something extra and unique for grinding L4s with little to no risk -- to keep them doing it?
Whats stoping a pvper from running missions? I pvp myself and i still have the time to run missions because well i need the isk somehow to pay for lost ships... i also mine if i feel like it...
If your pvper that holds Pods for ransom get your isk and have no need to do missions. well not anyone problem but yours..
Everyone can it its availble to everyone and CCP could make a reason to put a risk behind the mission so its not as easy as it looks to complete it....
Even another sugestion came to mind where pvpers kill someone with out an updated Clone get there SP thats lost split amongst there fleet... yes another bad sugestion.. but then your gonna go on about miners.. they sit for hours on end making isk no need to go missioning, again.. missioning is available TO EVERYONE whether you chose to do it or not is your problem...
That is the way i see it.. |
Oryx Lux
The Drones Club
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Posted - 2012.02.05 08:57:00 -
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This seems like a bad idea. Why not give miners skill points for mining ore? How about PI people for doing PI? PVPers for killing other players? Belt ratters for belt ratting? Do you see where this is going? EVE has a skill queue for a reason; it's to prevent this sort of thing from happening.
Missions already have substantial rewards in the form of isk, salvage and LP. EVE is not McDonald's. |
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Riddick37
Bladerunner Research and Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.05 09:00:00 -
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Ofcourse its not a Mc'Donalds more expensive and classy i want to try get most out of it i can.. |
CausticS0da
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.05 09:51:00 -
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This is one of those times when it IS appropriate to tell the OP to 'go back to WoW.
Doing this would destroy Eve. I've got better things to do than farm XP.
Lol I just noticed you spelt 'ridiculous' as 'rEdiculous'. That just about tells me all I need to know about the mind from which this terrible thread sprang forth. |
Amthala
Lapse Of Sanity
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:02:00 -
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Don't be a ****... horrible idea |
Frank Millar
The Corporation Incorporated
The Revolution.
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:10:00 -
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Right now, EvE is different from all those other so-called MMO's, because there is no level grind.
Awarding SP for Missions or whatever, would make EvE exactly the same as those other so-called MMO's.
And me having tried LotRO, I'd want to avoid that at all costs. Level Grind is boring as ****, so I honestly don't see how that would solve your problem of boredom.
So basically, you're doing it wrong and EvE might not be for you. WoW, LotRO and all that generic crap is that way. ---> |
Arnold Blackthorne
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:27:00 -
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Maybe we should have SP for podding the OP instead for even thinking this idea in the first place |
K1RTH G3RS3N
New Eden Trading and Resources
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:29:00 -
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Frank Millar wrote:Right now, EvE is different from all those other so-called MMO's, because there is no level grind.
Awarding SP for Missions or whatever, would make EvE exactly the same as those other so-called MMO's.
And me having tried LotRO, I'd want to avoid that at all costs. Level Grind is boring as ****, so I honestly don't see how that would solve your problem of boredom.
So basically, you're doing it wrong and EvE might not be for you. WoW, LotRO and all that generic crap is that way. --->
dont forget the other 20 wow clones for when you get bored of wow. |
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:50:00 -
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Patience is a virtue and we don't need or want any aspect of EVE to be dumbed down. If EVE is boring for you please go and do something else. |
Firebolt145
ghostco.
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Posted - 2012.02.05 12:11:00 -
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Terrible idea, would turn EVE into a grind. Nty. |
Lemok Sonji
Little Miss Duck
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Posted - 2012.02.05 12:24:00 -
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Hmm I thought EvE giving you only moderate ISK and LP from L4s is because they encourage you to do other things than grind missions.
So why asking them to do the opposite?
Skill points are per how old your character is, not how much free time you have to play 15 hours a day.
That will make this game utterly silly, finding just a couple of months old characters having tens of millions of skill points.
Not that I complain about having 100 million SP in 2 months and able to max every skills I want, but it will completely kill the "epicness" feel of the game. |
Sir Livingston
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.05 14:19:00 -
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Riddick37 wrote:After playing Eve for awhile and other games Eve has stood out with its Skill train way... other games you kill something you get EXP ((experience points)) and that allows skills to level, here yah just wait... could it get anymore boring? Yes Mine? PVE? PVP? but there is a line where Making Isk and losing isk gets boring... How about work for something worth more.... something we all want.. SKILL POINTS
Angents reward Loyalty points some dont, couldnt CCP make ones the reward Skill points? not rediculous amounts but a reasnoble amount. like
Level 1 missions Range From 0-100 SP
Level 2 Missions Range From 101-200SP
Level 3 Missions Range From 201-300SP
Level 4 Missions Range From 301-400SP
and
Level 5 Missions Range From 401-500SP
Im not sure if someone has tried to sugest and idea like this before or not...
this would Promote missions alot more... added we get abit of ISK as well with the Reward... And even have a choice to have a LP reward OR SP Reward..
I know i would be doing Missions that rewarded like that, Instead of just waiting 30+days with lvl 4 Inplants to train a skill and it wouldnt detour new gamers from playing this game if they found out there was also a quick way to train skills...
CCP you guys would be making a killing off this game cause for some reason i love it i have 4 accounts on here of my own.. and im slowly getting bored of the game because im sick of making isk and losing it.... waiting to long to try out a new mod or ship cause i have to wait almost 2-3 months to fly it properly... If anyone else can sugest/argue to my idea go ahead.. end of the day its just a sugestion to Promote missioning and game play.
Dear OP,
It's not CCP's fault you are bored with EVE, it's your lack of creativity. Missions weren't designed to entertain players for the lifespan of their character. Move on to greater things. EVE......is......a......sandbox. Go play
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Rat Farmer
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.05 14:53:00 -
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For the record, I like eve but I'm also confused with the whole skill point thing.
It is pretty daunting as a new person realizing that I pretty much have some skills to train before I can become effective at pvp, pve, industry or trading. I admit that the skill gain mechanic is cool in the way of being able to train offline but what's the motivation to play? If I'm a low skill point toon I'm not really effective at anything. It would be nice to gain skills based on what you do when you're in the eve universe. In the real world, the more you practice the better you get at something but it seems eve rewards you for doing nothing except buying and training skills.
I know, everyone that's been playing for 2 plus years don't like this idea because they have so much time (skill training not real experience) invested in eve.
Everyone that doesn't like constructive criticism says to go play wow, well, at least the wow people are earning their levels, not logging on once every 21 days to train a new skill. but the wow people are considered the care bears, go figure. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
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Posted - 2012.02.05 14:58:00 -
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Your idea is not a good one as it would be ruinous to the game mechanics.
If you get extra SP from doing missions then people will flock to missions so that they can grind up faster. This causes several issues:
-It pulls people away from the other PVP activities.
-It artificially increases the number of higher SP player, thereby depressing the character bazaar
-Given the speed at which one can simply get to higher content faster it would devalue the lower ranking equipment in the game which would have a negative impact on the market.
-Mission bots would be an even greater problem
-Your concept makes no adjustment for attributes, making it a pump for your low attribute settings (not all SP are equal).
-It is exploitable by a group of players and could allow for artificial 'super toons'. One guy grabs a bunch of missions in a shuttle and has his friends do them all, he then turns them all in and gets the credit. By your scoring system he could get a Level V skill a day.
You have an idea, a common one, but you don't really have a plan. Many ideas that get posted here need to be looked at in an overall light and many simply don't take in to account the impact on the overall system. Your idea is based on the current trend of 'instant gratification' which in and of itself is fine if the game was designed around it, just like micro-transactions can be fine. Eve was not designed to be that way.
Why are my neocom icons so tiny? Oh, you can widen and narrow the bar. Cool.-á |
Ifly Uwalk
Concentrated Evil
Mining For Profit Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.05 15:13:00 -
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Arnold Blackthorne wrote:Maybe we should have SP for podding the OP instead for even thinking this idea in the first place
Now this I could agree with!  |
Lemok Sonji
Little Miss Duck
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Posted - 2012.02.05 15:43:00 -
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Rat Farmer wrote:
Everyone that doesn't like constructive criticism says to go play wow, well, at least the wow people are earning their levels, not logging on once every 21 days to train a new skill. but the wow people are considered the care bears, go figure.
That is the whole point you are missing.
CCP doesn't want EvE to be a grind game like wow (or any other RPG game), where you grind long enough, you get better gear, and you are now "better" and things.
EvE is about skill of the player and the community around him, not of his character.
You are encouraged to want to come online to do something while learning to deal with what you have.
Not grind another skill, and another, and than be bored and leave because you have 3 characters at 200 million skill points, and nothing to do.
Missions is one of the smaller part of the game.
Hell, in a month you can get into a ship and start blowing stuff up in low/null sec.
Or within a week start probing stuff in high sec.
People who reached the point of not having something to learn but wait 21 days, are logging in to do other things with friends.
Once you can fly a fleet ready ship, you can still log on and do it. You don't have to wait 21 days more until you join the next fleet.
Or if you trained a frigate and kill small things in null, you don't stop playing because you are now waiting to skill for a cruiser. You keep blowing things until you can also kill better things.
There is SOO much to do in EvE with or without much skills.
You don't need skills to have fun.
If you don't get that, you are in the wrong game (go play swtor instead of wow if you don't like wow  ). |
Bibosikus
Inside out.
The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2012.02.05 16:10:00 -
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Indirectly, of course, you do benefit sp-wise from missioning. Virtually every lp store sells attribute-enhancing implants which you can purchase using a combination of lp acquired from completed missions plus isk.
Anyone not missioning has to pay pure isk for said implants.
So missioning gets the right, balanced advantage imho.
The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
Rat Farmer
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.05 16:18:00 -
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Lemok Sonji wrote:You don't need skills to have fun.If you don't get that, you are in the wrong game (go play swtor instead of wow if you don't like wow ).
Just to be clear, IGÇÖve been playing for 21 or 22 days. I actually do play the game when real life permits and the people in the Gallente starter corporation are very friendly and give good advice. In my short time here, IGÇÖve already completed the SOE Epic Arc (solo) and knocked out the beginning (level 1) Gallente Epic Arc missions. I also run missions for the SOE both level 1 and 2GÇÖs. I struggle a little on the 2GÇÖs as IGÇÖm only flying a frigate and trying to get all my core skills to at least 4 before I jump into a cruiser.
I read somewhere (I donGÇÖt recall where) that if you were going to train all the skills in EVE that it would take you around 21 years with maximum skill placement or something. 21 years? Really? And thereGÇÖs no way to gain skill other than passively? IGÇÖm not saying spoon feed everyone, but maybe you should get gain a little skill in combat if you are actually spending time PVE or PVPGÇÖing. Maybe you should gain skill if you (online) manufacture or trade in those respective areasGǪ Also, IGÇÖm not stupid, I do realize that you donGÇÖt need to train for 21 years or even 3 months to be effective at doing something, as I stated above, IGÇÖm just skimming the surface and I am able to do lower level content.
Everyone has an opinion, itGÇÖs not that anyone persons is right or wrong, it can just be different from your own. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
48
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Posted - 2012.02.05 16:20:00 -
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It should be two way SP system some skills should be skilled old way and some should be gained with work ie you shoot alot you get bonus 1% tracking or what ever being that achieved thru pve/pvp is not relevant at all.
As long as it is balanced i see no reason to have both more stuff in game the better and believe me when i said that you couldn't fathom the amount of frak i don't give about Wow liners some of you are trowing around.CCP simply can do it better.
I would like to see EXP based system applied on a ship crew as well if there ever gonna be one that is. |
myFORUMalt alts
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.02.05 16:27:00 -
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Rat Farmer wrote:Lemok Sonji wrote:You don't need skills to have fun.If you don't get that, you are in the wrong game (go play swtor instead of wow if you don't like wow ). Just to be clear, IGÇÖve been playing for 21 or 22 days. I actually do play the game when real life permits and the people in the Gallente starter corporation are very friendly and give good advice. In my short time here, IGÇÖve already completed the SOE Epic Arc (solo) and knocked out the beginning (level 1) Gallente Epic Arc missions. I also run missions for the SOE both level 1 and 2GÇÖs. I struggle a little on the 2GÇÖs as IGÇÖm only flying a frigate and trying to get all my core skills to at least 4 before I jump into a cruiser. I read somewhere (I donGÇÖt recall where) that if you were going to train all the skills in EVE that it would take you around 21 years with maximum skill placement or something. 21 years? Really? And thereGÇÖs no way to gain skill other than passively? IGÇÖm not saying spoon feed everyone, but maybe you should get gain a little skill in combat if you are actually spending time PVE or PVPGÇÖing. Maybe you should gain skill if you (online) manufacture or trade in those respective areasGǪ Also, IGÇÖm not stupid, I do realize that you donGÇÖt need to train for 21 years or even 3 months to be effective at doing something, as I stated above, IGÇÖm just skimming the surface and I am able to do lower level content. Everyone has an opinion, itGÇÖs not that anyone persons is right or wrong, it can just be different from your own.
You know, for the new guy, that's an excellent idea. Have specific sp allocation. build a ship, 1000 industry sp. Kill a player, 1000 gunnery or missile sp. Mine something 100,000 v3 of something. more industry. Do so much invention, 1000 science sp. Do missions, get sp towards engineering/ electronics/ spaceship command.
This would actually encourage all players to dive into other core functions and game plays of eve. Awesome idea from some one only playing the game 3 weeks. BTW three week dude, what ever you do, dont train gallente or caldari weapons, minmatar for the win.
Yes, I complain about things I don't like. |
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.05 16:28:00 -
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ahh the old 21 years.
First off, there is NO need to ever train all skills. EVER. A titan pilot doesnt need maxed out industry/science skills. Most science characters for instance (since that is what this toon does) have little need for advanced ship skills. Fly the orca/charon.. check.. ok thats about it for my ship skills really (what i can fly a lot more well.. yes because i have the science skills i need now).
Most of us who start getting up in skill points look and go "ok i dont have a lot more to train) and many stop training to skill up another alt instead on that account for more flexibility.
You can do a lot with low skillpoints, IF you stop looking at it like: i must have xxx before i can have fun. Heck grab a t1 fitted rifter.. go pew pew.. Its that simple. can do it within what.. 2 weeks easily? Sure some things take longer.. you cant just get into invention within 2 weeks.. BUT those things usually requier a TON of more ISK that a normal 2 week char has available. And if you REALLY are impatient, get some plexes, convert to isk, buy a frikkin character on the bazzar. Done.
Your idea is HORRIBLE!!!! i for one play this game.. well not only but one large reason is: i dont have to grind! I HATE grinding. I am married, with my own business. I dont have time to grind like i did in wow when i was in my 20s and hadnt met the most wonderful man in the world to marry. |
myFORUMalt alts
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.02.05 16:31:00 -
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[quote=Linda Shadowborn]ahh the old 21 years.
women dont play eve, its all a lie
Yes, I complain about things I don't like. |
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