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RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.05 03:47:00 -
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Katy Ling wrote:Riddick37 wrote:One can only try. CCP doesnt have to do it like that but with in reason of something like that.. CCP needs to give something other then just ISK and LP To work for... its starting become abit boring now... i feel it's a long shot and certainly will not pass / approved / will be trolled / what ever ... but i congratulate you for trying and hopping! totally support any idea of extra skillpoints, because ccp keeps adding new skills with the years pass, and new players have more and more things to train. some of them end up being useless with with time, and people waste some time training for things that will be nerfed and obsolete ...
So you're saying that New Players have more options like it's a bad thing? Huh? As for nerfed things, nerfs are a risk you take when following FotM; sorry if that burned you. As for useless, what commonly available skill has absolutely no use? (Whether or not you *make* use of your skills is up to you. For instance, I have a ton of mining SP that I don't use at all, but I don't complain about it).
More importantly, why are your tits sharp? Single-Shard, Player DrivenSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Zanza Mechonis
Vulkan Innovations
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:19:00 -
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You can get faster skill points through missioning. Just buy the implants with LP. (The advantage of EVE is that people with a lot of time to spend have no "ability-advantage" compared to people with little time. Only advantages they get is experience with game mechanics, isk, and possibly LP, killmails, epic ores, or the chance to see that pretty titan blow up... Also more social contacts in-game. |
Herr Ronin
Malum Crusis
31
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:12:00 -
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Riddick37 wrote:After playing Eve for awhile and other games Eve has stood out with its Skill train way... other games you kill something you get EXP ((experience points)) and that allows skills to level, here yah just wait... could it get anymore boring? Yes Mine? PVE? PVP? but there is a line where Making Isk and losing isk gets boring... How about work for something worth more.... something we all want.. SKILL POINTS
Angents reward Loyalty points some dont, couldnt CCP make ones the reward Skill points? not rediculous amounts but a reasnoble amount. like
Level 1 missions Range From 0-100 SP Level 2 Missions Range From 101-200SP Level 3 Missions Range From 201-300SP Level 4 Missions Range From 301-400SP and Level 5 Missions Range From 401-500SP
Im not sure if someone has tried to sugest and idea like this before or not... this would Promote missions alot more... added we get abit of ISK as well with the Reward... And even have a choice to have a LP reward OR SP Reward..
I know i would be doing Missions that rewarded like that, Instead of just waiting 30+days with lvl 4 Inplants to train a skill and it wouldnt detour new gamers from playing this game if they found out there was also a quick way to train skills...
CCP you guys would be making a killing off this game cause for some reason i love it i have 4 accounts on here of my own.. and im slowly getting bored of the game because im sick of making isk and losing it.... waiting to long to try out a new mod or ship cause i have to wait almost 2-3 months to fly it properly... If anyone else can sugest/argue to my idea go ahead.. end of the day its just a sugestion to Promote missioning and game play.
Just putting this out there, You are a Idiot.
Go back to your DeathKnight and raid some Panda's. Management Of ISN - Incursion Shiny Network
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Gibbeous Moon
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
3
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Posted - 2012.05.07 07:23:00 -
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If Eve was all about Experience Points gained from mashing rats or doing the same mission fifty times (how many times do we need to kill the same Heiress?) then one fundamental change is going to happen to the game.
For example I could spend my time, as I do, poring over spreadsheets and maps trying to improve my position. I may not be out killing rats or earning XP but I am still contributing to EVE.
look further at applications such as Eve HQ, EFT, the industry applications, the trade apps, Aura thats' on my phone. Would any of these have been built if the developers were out grinding? I expect that other MMOs will have some similar apps by the player communities but how many of those have the quality and depth as these provide? These developers have used their non-grind time to make great things.
In the course of next week I am planning on moving my market alt into, starting from scratch, LoSec with 100 Rifters and see what I can do in a month. One doesn't need XPs in Eve. |
Zarere
Team Pizza Viro Mors Non Est
36
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Posted - 2012.05.07 09:45:00 -
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Dear OP, i have two words for you:
**** off |
Iron Civire
Brothers At Arms Hades.
2
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Posted - 2012.05.07 10:06:00 -
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Gotta <3 those ppl who think missioning is the only way to play EvE.
EvE is hard, you have to remember this. |
Niko Takahashi
United Starbase Systems
38
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Posted - 2012.05.07 10:32:00 -
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Ifly Uwalk wrote:You want EXP? gb2wow
Stop poasting.
While I agree this is really getting old.
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Boz Wel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:04:00 -
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If you want to level faster, take advantage of the free market in EVE and save up your ISKs to buy a higher SP character. |
Signal11th
478
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:11:00 -
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Riddick37 wrote:After playing Eve for awhile and other games Eve has stood out with its Skill train way... other games you kill something you get EXP ((experience points)) and that allows skills to level, here yah just wait... could it get anymore boring? Yes Mine? PVE? PVP? but there is a line where Making Isk and losing isk gets boring... How about work for something worth more.... something we all want.. SKILL POINTS
Angents reward Loyalty points some dont, couldnt CCP make ones the reward Skill points? not rediculous amounts but a reasnoble amount. like
Level 1 missions Range From 0-100 SP Level 2 Missions Range From 101-200SP Level 3 Missions Range From 201-300SP Level 4 Missions Range From 301-400SP and Level 5 Missions Range From 401-500SP
Im not sure if someone has tried to sugest and idea like this before or not... this would Promote missions alot more... added we get abit of ISK as well with the Reward... And even have a choice to have a LP reward OR SP Reward..
I know i would be doing Missions that rewarded like that, Instead of just waiting 30+days with lvl 4 Inplants to train a skill and it wouldnt detour new gamers from playing this game if they found out there was also a quick way to train skills...
CCP you guys would be making a killing off this game cause for some reason i love it i have 4 accounts on here of my own.. and im slowly getting bored of the game because im sick of making isk and losing it.... waiting to long to try out a new mod or ship cause i have to wait almost 2-3 months to fly it properly... If anyone else can sugest/argue to my idea go ahead.. end of the day its just a sugestion to Promote missioning and game play.
This happens and the day after EVE dies, in fact you can almost see Hilmar switching the lights off with a sad look on his face. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:06:00 -
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Imo just sell SP for cash... $1 for 1000 SP, *kaching* all proceeds go towards Soundwave's retirement fund. |
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Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
242
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Posted - 2012.05.09 02:57:00 -
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I read the EVE forums and have therefor come across some of the dumbest **** on the internet. But this....WOW....
W. I. E. O. D. V. R. E. E. S. A . R. T.
Yes, it needed to be said vertically. |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
158
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Posted - 2012.05.09 03:19:00 -
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You say EVE doesent have "level grind" .... Are you blind ? ... EVE has a grind that last years ... just to get on the same "support skills + ships mandatory skills" line as the older players.
When you think about it ... This is worse in many ways. |
Malamber
Lightning Squad
7
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Posted - 2012.05.09 14:50:00 -
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To be one of the cool kids, you have to say "badpoast", "gbtWoW", "Ur an idiot" to every new post that rehashes an exsisting idea that has been shot down before. People are so caught up in cool new ways to snipe newbies, that they skim posts and assume that because all the other cool kids are bashing it, that the post deserves it without reading the thread.
To those people - grow up, and learn to think for yourselves. Please.
I personally agree with SOME of this idea, and not with other aspects. I can't articulate like some of the other good posters, because I don't have the experience in-game to comment on some of the more telling points. But... I also see the logic in newer players not wanting to grind through the "lower levels". As a newbie, you are going to want to grind - this is all new, and exciting. And you get nothing FOR that grinding. I think if newer characters saw early progress - even knowing it won't last - they may just stick around to learn the intricasies of the douche population, and decide intelligently if they can hack that. After all, in a PVP game it should be learning to deal with the people not the game itself that determines if a person wants to stick around.
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Orlacc
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
141
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Posted - 2012.05.09 16:22:00 -
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Can we let this die please?
Every new arrival wants to plop the template for their Skinner Box game on EVE. Won't happen. Ever. |
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
191
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Posted - 2012.05.09 16:57:00 -
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The reason that we flame every noobiot that starts this thread isn't JUST that we are bittervets.
Mainly, it's that this is a bad idea. No matter how many times you propose it, it is still bad.
I'll try to stay away from gb2wow, but really, if this progression style doesn't suit you, then this is not the game for you. SP are fundamentally vital to the unique nature of EVE, it forces people to take a long-term view, and this lets EVE avoid a bunch of the things people don't like about other MMOs. When you remove the "kill for experience" setup, you free people from the necessity of questing/missioning/grinding to stay competitive. Is there a grind? Yes, but you can do that same grind while you mission, mine, haul, trade, research, copy, troll, scam, FW, PVP, hotdrop, afk-cloaky-camp, explore, ninja salvage, or forum warrior.
As soon as you institute action->sp, you take that freedom away. |
Arc Typ
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:57:00 -
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I absolutely love the idea. I'm a new player and I would love a way to earn some skill points to help make myself more powerful and create more options for my character.
Although, the character bazaar is an abstract way of turning missions into SP, and is probably more efficient in regards to time per SP earned. |
RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1485
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Posted - 2012.05.10 01:13:00 -
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Arc Typ wrote:I absolutely love the idea. I'm a new player and I would love a way to earn some skill points to help make myself more powerful and create more options for my character.
Although, the character bazaar is an abstract way of turning missions into SP, and is probably more efficient in regards to time per SP earned.
What activities can you do at high SP that you can't do now? Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
stoicfaux
1046
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Posted - 2012.05.10 01:35:00 -
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Looks like the Faction Warfare overhaul is the answer to the OP's proposal: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28659
Instead of free skill points, FW can get you cheaper LP items (skill requirements are very low for faction items,) cheaper implants, better isk for your LP, etc.. Never mind the exciting PvP necessary for taking, holding and upgrading systems for even more bonuses.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Tarn Kugisa
Space Mongolian Pinked
76
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Posted - 2012.05.10 01:44:00 -
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reduce it to tenths of a skillpoint and it might be better. I Endorse this Product and/or Service [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16580[/url] |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
63
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Posted - 2012.05.10 04:24:00 -
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well you may trust in stupidity the rest of us do not. |
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Koritougamaw
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2012.05.10 08:32:00 -
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NO.
Riddick37 wrote: And even have a choice to have a LP reward OR SP Reward..
LOL
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Sola Mercury
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.05.10 08:46:00 -
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NO |
Sunviking
The Shining Knights
60
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Posted - 2012.05.10 11:14:00 -
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This is a Terrible idea, and one that never be implemented. Because giving SP as mission rewards will create even more of an incentive for Mission-Bots. Think about it. Bot runs missions 23/7, and very quickly builds up a vast amount of SP on top of the ISK pile they are creating, enabling the owner of the account to make even more illegal ISK by selling the character for huge ISK and huge RMT. Because it is so profitable to Bot missions, Botting programs/macros will get more sophitisticated, becoming even more difficult to spot. End result: Game ruined.
Seriously, don't do this. |
Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
102
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Posted - 2012.05.10 12:55:00 -
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This is the worst idea ever written on these forums.
I hope you feel bad for what you've done. |
Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
89
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Posted - 2012.05.11 19:05:00 -
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So many straw men in this thread
EVE is a veteran heavy game but remember that when you fly a Rifter with decent skills the other pilot may have 100 mil SP but they very well may not be directed at Rifters or weapons and modules that Rifters commonly use.
My Large Railgun Spec V is of no use when I'm flying a Cormorant with T2 blasters.
Edit: No, SP for missions is stupid. Play the game don't grind it. |
Ymmi Stenson
Aquila Crysaetos
0
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Posted - 2012.05.12 12:35:00 -
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Hell no. |
The Cake
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.12 21:06:00 -
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OP, why? If you want to catch up to vets it's already easier.
In the character bazaar you can buy a year old character for 10Bil. That's about 18-20m skillpoints or 500isk per skp.
An hour of lvl 4 missions nets from 12m-60m depending on ships, missions, standings, location & skill. Doing the math that's anywhere from 24000 to 120,000 skp per hour of grinding.
Just glancing at the char bazaar I see one guy is selling a 33m skp industrial char for 8 Bil min bid. Do the math on that grind. If you want to grind skp then there's already a mechanic for you to do that. (242.2 isk per skp or approximately 50,000 to around 250,000 skp per hour) |
Katalci
Creative Cookie Procuring Veto Corp
82
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Posted - 2012.05.12 23:27:00 -
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No. Not now, not ever. |
Jakob Anzomi
Anzomi Enterprise
0
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Posted - 2012.05.12 23:58:00 -
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Katalci wrote:No. Not now, not ever.
So, you are saying, there's a chance?
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Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
114
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Posted - 2012.05.13 00:09:00 -
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Jakob Anzomi wrote:Katalci wrote:No. Not now, not ever. So, you are saying, there's a chance?
No. Never there will be anything resembling a chance that this will be acceptable. |
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