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Evenfall Phoenix The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.18 05:41:00 - [481] Originally by: Sobic Kurophsky Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 18/12/2007 04:00:21 Hey, guys, I was around in 2006 so I can speak on the issue of how BoB behaved and I can compare it to some of the activity from BoB's foes. My personal opinion is that you are right to say that BoB was arrogant and dismissive and deserved whole heartedly what they got. Especially considering the whole t20 issue... I mean don't you remember before it was an admitted fact that members of BoB were getting developer support how BoB kept screaming tinfoil hattery? However, times have changed. During the year and a half I've been in-game I've noticed that the BoB opponents aren't too respectable either. Lets take the Goons for instance. They've purposefully attempted to disrupt the game for all of us. So much so that their place of origin (and the community that they are loyal too) the SA forums have had to take measures to distance themselves from the overt activity of their members visa vis EvE Online and CCP. Then you have a certain someone referring to MCs as Jews in a distasteful, hurtful, and sick manner. You've also got the Goons constant bombardment of the forums with their senseless drivel... And when you link that to the Goons scamming people with Capitals who want to help fight BoB by letting them in the alliance long enough to kick them and gank them... I for one begin to think of BoB a little differently. This isn't 2006 its almost 2008. AGAIN, when one of the most vocal anti-bob alliances uses racial slurs, blows people up who want to help fight BoB, and generally disregards the health of the eve-community BoB starts to look like the "better" of the two evils. That's just my 2 cents so feel free to ignore it (or if you are a goon feel free to spam me and refer to me as a member of a racial minority.) -Karl Amen(Fully expect some kind of religious slur to be made for just saying that) Goons are the worst kind of public "Champion", kinda like some major groups that tried to conquer the world but failed because all the "Hero" talk was only there to cloak the actual result of this entire ordeal. Goons get to make there interlives worth living though the frustrations of others and grow bigger e-peens though the labors of EVE's real veteran s. Mittani is the perfect example of someone who is truly pathetic, his post count alone shows were his priorities in life stand while he banters on about how Molle and gang did the exact same thing. Hypocrisy at its finest. I know it could kill you to think about it Goonswarm but that dash you call a life when you logoff is the one that history actual cares about. See you on grid...(If it loads) Talk about taking the actions of a select few and applying it to a greater majority... I think there is a word for that... Good luck down there MC/KIA/Evoke/Outbreak.
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 06:27:00 - [482] Originally by: Sobic Kurophsky Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 18/12/2007 04:00:21 Hey, guys, I was around in 2006 so I can speak on the issue of how BoB behaved and I can compare it to some of the activity from BoB's foes. My personal opinion is that you are right to say that BoB was arrogant and dismissive and deserved whole heartedly what they got. Especially considering the whole t20 issue... I mean don't you remember before it was an admitted fact that members of BoB were getting developer support how BoB kept screaming tinfoil hattery? However, times have changed. During the year and a half I've been in-game I've noticed that the BoB opponents aren't too respectable either. Lets take the Goons for instance. They've purposefully attempted to disrupt the game for all of us. So much so that their place of origin (and the community that they are loyal too) the SA forums have had to take measures to distance themselves from the overt activity of their members visa vis EvE Online and CCP. Then you have a certain someone referring to MCs as Jews in a distasteful, hurtful, and sick manner. You've also got the Goons constant bombardment of the forums with their senseless drivel... And when you link that to the Goons scamming people with Capitals who want to help fight BoB by letting them in the alliance long enough to kick them and gank them... I for one begin to think of BoB a little differently. This isn't 2006 its almost 2008. AGAIN, when one of the most vocal anti-bob alliances uses racial slurs, blows people up who want to help fight BoB, and generally disregards the health of the eve-community BoB starts to look like the "better" of the two evils. That's just my 2 cents so feel free to ignore it (or if you are a goon feel free to spam me and refer to me as a member of a racial minority.) -Karl Amen(Fully expect some kind of religious slur to be made for just saying that) Goons are the worst kind of public "Champion", kinda like some major groups that tried to conquer the world but failed because all the "Hero" talk was only there to cloak the actual result of this entire ordeal. Goons get to make there interlives worth living though the frustrations of others and grow bigger e-peens though the labors of EVE's real veteran s. Mittani is the perfect example of someone who is truly pathetic, his post count alone shows were his priorities in life stand while he banters on about how Molle and gang did the exact same thing. Hypocrisy at its finest. I know it could kill you to think about it Goonswarm but that dash you call a life when you logoff is the one that history actual cares about. See you on grid...(If it loads) Hell yeah!
Jangizal Caldari NYIT Gangstaz SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.18 08:17:00 - [483] I 'r' excited. Blog.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.12.18 08:59:00 - [484] I support this endeavor wholeheartedly! - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.18 09:08:00 - [485] War. War never changes.
Laboratus Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.12.18 09:11:00 - [486] Originally by: Phoenicia Edited by: Phoenicia on 17/12/2007 13:41:38 Originally by: Gary John Originally by: Seleene We ask for no quarter and shall give none. Hey I think I have heard that before. From hither? Mmmm... Laphroaig... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Von Kleist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 09:29:00 - [487] Edited by: Von Kleist on 18/12/2007 09:29:27 Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 18/12/2007 04:00:21 Hey, guys, I was around in 2006 so I can speak on the issue of how BoB behaved and I can compare it to some of the activity from BoB's foes. My personal opinion is that you are right to say that BoB was arrogant and dismissive and deserved whole heartedly what they got. Especially considering the whole t20 issue... I mean don't you remember before it was an admitted fact that members of BoB were getting developer support how BoB kept screaming tinfoil hattery? However, times have changed. During the year and a half I've been in-game I've noticed that the BoB opponents aren't too respectable either. Lets take the Goons for instance. They've purposefully attempted to disrupt the game for all of us. So much so that their place of origin (and the community that they are loyal too) the SA forums have had to take measures to distance themselves from the overt activity of their members visa vis EvE Online and CCP. Then you have a certain someone referring to MCs as Jews in a distasteful, hurtful, and sick manner. You've also got the Goons constant bombardment of the forums with their senseless drivel... And when you link that to the Goons scamming people with Capitals who want to help fight BoB by letting them in the alliance long enough to kick them and gank them... I for one begin to think of BoB a little differently. This isn't 2006 its almost 2008. AGAIN, when one of the most vocal anti-bob alliances uses racial slurs, blows people up who want to help fight BoB, and generally disregards the health of the eve-community BoB starts to look like the "better" of the two evils. That's just my 2 cents so feel free to ignore it (or if you are a goon feel free to spam me and refer to me as a member of a racial minority.) -Karl I dont mean to be too out of the realm of PC, but youre a**got. edit:**got
Bookmarking Wench The Bookmark Shop	Posted - 2007.12.18 09:31:00 - [488] Do you think he knows about the secret hidden forum on SA made for EVE?
thebold MASS	Posted - 2007.12.18 09:53:00 - [489] Originally by: Bookmarking Wench Originally by: thebold Originally by: Bookmarking Wench Do you think he knows about the secret hidden forum on SA made for EVE? Rubbish. The first rule of forumid=196 is you do not talk about forumid=196 What?
Dkiler Gallente Dkiller Delta Force Corp. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.18 12:15:00 - [490] oohhhnozz look what da cat dragged in Sig removed as it is way too big. Please resize to 400 x 120 with max size of 24000b - Valorem
Euxinus RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.18 12:15:00 - [491] Interesting step in EVE history. Its good that MC has show us all that *they don't have eternal friends, nor eternal enemies, but eternal interests..* just like a merc corp should be. Thats classy when you look from one point of view. On the other hand.. BoB has great credit on what MC is today, yeah people will never like it whatever MC does.. They help BoB and called "Another pet of BoB" and they leave BoB and they get called "Traitors". But if i was BoB i would be really dissapointed by the way that step is taken. I dont like BoB i hope they go down in flames.. But for the sake of what BoB did for MC (Noone can deny this i guess, BoB made MC that strong) they could at least tell BoB their plans and make them arrange their war strategy on that and should have taken necessary steps and then make an official announcement. (Well maybe they did i can't know that its just an assumption) These are just my feelings tho i am not blaiming anyone : ) Anyways GL to the Tortuga on its next contracts..
Platte Okeefe Happy Joymaker Corp	Posted - 2007.12.18 12:29:00 - [492] Map props, and lots of Happy Hunting to this New Alliance. The future in EVE continues to get more interesting everyday
Zzleeper Amarr levisomnus spectatrix	Posted - 2007.12.18 14:07:00 - [493] When BOB dies, guess who's next This'll be fun to watch I sincerely doubt Valorem put that, don't do it again -GM What yah gonna do about it if i do? -Zz
Rochel Hakiri principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:01:00 - [494] A bit late,but hell yeah this good news I hope you guys kill each other a lot!! Let the Mom slaughtering begin, and I expect at least 2 Titan kills /cheers
Oli4Oli4 Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:05:00 - [495] YARRRRRRRRRR
Moon Kitten GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:50:00 - [496] Originally by: Zzleeper When BOB dies, guess who's next It's you, you, the alt poster is next.
Perianwyr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:56:00 - [497] Originally by: Euxinus On the other hand.. BoB has great credit on what MC is today, yeah people will never like it whatever MC does.. I really don't know enough history to say whether this is true but my gut feelings say **** no
motomysz DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:04:00 - [498] BoB hired MC to fulfill a contract. I don't see how they could possibly expect a relationship that starts out like that to end in friendship. Do people who hire prostitutes expect a commitment afterwards? ~~I don't.~~ Not where I come from, they don't.
LASER WATCHER GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:06:00 - [499] mercenaries are just that. after a contract, they are neutral and seek out what is in their best interests, regardless of friendships formed. _____
Kera Delacour Evenstar Industries	Posted - 2007.12.18 16:33:00 - [500] I've got mixed feelings about the whole BoB/MC thing. While yeah, according to posts from both BoB and MC people, apparently there was a contract of sorts stating that MC wouldn't attack BoB or whatever. However I fault BOB for thinking that contract would remain 'inviolate' for eternity. MC is, after all is said and done, a Mercenary unit. BoB leadership should have known and expected that if the situation ever got to a point where MC felt BoB were incapable of honoring their part of the agreement they would terminate the contract. Now, I'm not in MC so I don't pretend to know what went on behind closed doors I do know what I would have done in MC's shoes. Simple observed facts: BoB has shown, in recent months, a disturbing willingness to sacrifice both allies and regions for time. Witness the recent 'evac order' given out by bob command ordering their allies/pets/whatever to withdraw to fountain. Just so that BoB could continue a stalled offensive in Catch when MC's contract ended. BoB has treated all it's allies with pure contempt in most cases. Witness Yaay's "peptalk" widely published here on CAOD. BoB has a track record of not really caring what happens to their allies/friends as long as BoB's core interests aren't threatened. Now.... if I were MC leadership, knowing all that... knowing that BoB's offensive had stalled and they were now threatened from the rear in Fountain by MM & MH forces. Knowing that Catch couldn't possibly hold. Knowing that BoB would be forced to fight on 2 fronts and knowing that I'd have to defend my home systems against yet another attack from the coalition? I'd have probably null-and-voided the contract as well. Because, face it. Once offensives started from fountain, catch and in Delve itself by PL and friends? There's no way BoB would be able to defend Period Basis anyway. Was it a bit trecherous? Sure if you consider MC an ALLY rather than remembering that they were only 'friends' due to a 'contract' which BoB had already shown they can't keep. Now... is it a bit underhanded? Yeah... but... then again... we're talking about Mercenaries. We can all wave E-Honor around all we want but to a mercenary the only thing that is important is keeping THEIR people happy. They really don't care what happens to folks around them. Nor should they. Their commitment is to themselves and their client (in that order). BoB was n o longer a client in that MC did not feel BoB was capable of honoring their part of the contract any longer. From MC's perspective it was a sound business decision. From BoB's perspective, because they'd forgotten that MC was an employee, not an ally, it was trechery. From an outsider's perspective? Well, for me, I think we need to remember that MC are mercs. Outbreak and Ev0ke both have axes to grind against BoB and KIA is pretty much as neutral as they come. All 4 of these entities gain by this action. From their perspective it's just a good solid move to provide stability for themselves. Sucks to be BoB but painting them as Traitors is silly. Regardless of what 'contract' may have been inked years ago. No contract lasts forever, especially when it involves mercenaries. Time came to renew, and MC decided not to. It's really just that simple. Then again I'm a huge buff of Mercenary fiction so the move doesn't surprise or shock me at all :) ----------- EVNS, bringing quality carebearing to a solar system near you!
Tarantelita Ragna Rok Corp	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:03:00 - [501] I hope BoB invades you and make you there pets!
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:18:00 - [502] Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 18/12/2007 04:00:21 Hey, guys, I was around in 2006 so I can speak on the issue of how BoB behaved and I can compare it to some of the activity from BoB's foes. My personal opinion is that you are right to say that BoB was arrogant and dismissive and deserved whole heartedly what they got. Especially considering the whole t20 issue... I mean don't you remember before it was an admitted fact that members of BoB were getting developer support how BoB kept screaming tinfoil hattery? However, times have changed. During the year and a half I've been in-game I've noticed that the BoB opponents aren't too respectable either. Lets take the Goons for instance. They've purposefully attempted to disrupt the game for all of us. So much so that their place of origin (and the community that they are loyal too) the SA forums have had to take measures to distance themselves from the overt activity of their members visa vis EvE Online and CCP. Then you have a certain someone referring to MCs as Jews in a distasteful, hurtful, and sick manner. You've also got the Goons constant bombardment of the forums with their senseless drivel... And when you link that to the Goons scamming people with Capitals who want to help fight BoB by letting them in the alliance long enough to kick them and gank them... I for one begin to think of BoB a little differently. This isn't 2006 its almost 2008. AGAIN, when one of the most vocal anti-bob alliances uses racial slurs, blows people up who want to help fight BoB, and generally disregards the health of the eve-community BoB starts to look like the "better" of the two evils. That's just my 2 cents so feel free to ignore it (or if you are a goon feel free to spam me and refer to me as a member of a racial minority.) -Karl I agree! too be honest I always like BoB and I know bob will never die! Trinity Corporate Services
luaPnoRetoV Priority of all States Together	Posted - 2007.12.18 17:45:00 - [503] Originally by: northwesten Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 18/12/2007 04:00:21 Hey, guys, I was around in 2006 so I can speak on the issue of how BoB behaved and I can compare it to some of the activity from BoB's foes. My personal opinion is that you are right to say that BoB was arrogant and dismissive and deserved whole heartedly what they got. Especially considering the whole t20 issue... I mean don't you remember before it was an admitted fact that members of BoB were getting developer support how BoB kept screaming tinfoil hattery? However, times have changed. During the year and a half I've been in-game I've noticed that the BoB opponents aren't too respectable either. Lets take the Goons for instance. They've purposefully attempted to disrupt the game for all of us. So much so that their place of origin (and the community that they are loyal too) the SA forums have had to take measures to distance themselves from the overt activity of their members visa vis EvE Online and CCP. Then you have a certain someone referring to MCs as Jews in a distasteful, hurtful, and sick manner. You've also got the Goons constant bombardment of the forums with their senseless drivel... And when you link that to the Goons scamming people with Capitals who want to help fight BoB by letting them in the alliance long enough to kick them and gank them... I for one begin to think of BoB a little differently. This isn't 2006 its almost 2008. AGAIN, when one of the most vocal anti-bob alliances uses racial slurs, blows people up who want to help fight BoB, and generally disregards the health of the eve-community BoB starts to look like the "better" of the two evils. That's just my 2 cents so feel free to ignore it (or if you are a goon feel free to spam me and refer to me as a member of a racial minority.) -Karl I agree! too be honest I always like BoB and I know bob will never die! Even if BOB loses all their space, they will still be the most powerful alliance in the game! Just imagine how strong they will be when they are no longer held back by such assets such as POSes and Stations.
Platinum Sapphire Minmatar Epsilon Financial Bureau GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 18:55:00 - [504] Originally by: Vasili Z Sup backstabbers, took some lessons from 0utbreak on how to kick alliances when they're down eh? Friends no less, I hope your face gets stomped, though it probably won't, you did afterall pick the perfect time to stick the knife in didn't ya? LOL!! I see what you are trying to do here... Irony, thy name is Vasili Z...
Atama Cardel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 19:07:00 - [505] Originally by: luaPnoRetoV Originally by: northwesten Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 18/12/2007 04:00:21 Hey, guys, I was around in 2006 so I can speak on the issue of how BoB behaved and I can compare it to some of the activity from BoB's foes. My personal opinion is that you are right to say that BoB was arrogant and dismissive and deserved whole heartedly what they got. Especially considering the whole t20 issue... I mean don't you remember before it was an admitted fact that members of BoB were getting developer support how BoB kept screaming tinfoil hattery? However, times have changed. During the year and a half I've been in-game I've noticed that the BoB opponents aren't too respectable either. Lets take the Goons for instance. They've purposefully attempted to disrupt the game for all of us. So much so that their place of origin (and the community that they are loyal too) the SA forums have had to take measures to distance themselves from the overt activity of their members visa vis EvE Online and CCP. Then you have a certain someone referring to MCs as Jews in a distasteful, hurtful, and sick manner. You've also got the Goons constant bombardment of the forums with their senseless drivel... And when you link that to the Goons scamming people with Capitals who want to help fight BoB by letting them in the alliance long enough to kick them and gank them... I for one begin to think of BoB a little differently. This isn't 2006 its almost 2008. AGAIN, when one of the most vocal anti-bob alliances uses racial slurs, blows people up who want to help fight BoB, and generally disregards the health of the eve-community BoB starts to look like the "better" of the two evils. That's just my 2 cents so feel free to ignore it (or if you are a goon feel free to spam me and refer to me as a member of a racial minority.) -Karl I agree! too be honest I always like BoB and I know bob will never die! Even if BOB loses all their space, they will still be the most powerful alliance in the game! Just imagine how strong they will be when they are no longer held back by such assets such as POSes and Stations. Here my brothers drink this kool-aid as to escape the earthly bonds of POSes and stations
Shayleigh Snowflower DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 19:37:00 - [506] Originally by: Zzleeper When BOB dies, guess who's next This'll be fun to watch when BOB dies. The next alliance to die will be the poor alliance that absorb FinFleet... and whatever corp get that fat lady that sings when it is over
Shayleigh Snowflower DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 19:41:00 - [507] Originally by: luaPnoRetoV Even if XETIC loses all their space, they will still be the most powerful alliance in the game! Just imagine how strong they will be when they are no longer held back by such assets such as POSes and Stations. Originally by: luaPnoRetoV Even if ASCN loses all their space, they will still be the most powerful alliance in the game! Just imagine how strong they will be when they are no longer held back by such assets such as POSes and Stations. Originally by: luaPnoRetoV Even if D2 loses all their space, they will still be the most powerful alliance in the game! Just imagine how strong they will be when they are no longer held back by such assets such as POSes and Stations. Fixed it for you... This phrase have been used multiple times before look where they are.
luaPnoRetoV Priority of all States Together	Posted - 2007.12.18 19:47:00 - [508] Originally by: Shayleigh Snowflower Originally by: luaPnoRetoV Even if XETIC loses all their space, they will still be the most powerful alliance in the game! Just imagine how strong they will be when they are no longer held back by such assets such as POSes and Stations. Originally by: luaPnoRetoV Even if ASCN loses all their space, they will still be the most powerful alliance in the game! Just imagine how strong they will be when they are no longer held back by such assets such as POSes and Stations. Originally by: luaPnoRetoV Even if D2 loses all their space, they will still be the most powerful alliance in the game! Just imagine how strong they will be when they are no longer held back by such assets such as POSes and Stations. Fixed it for you... This phrase have been used multiple times before look where they are. It is foolish to compare the Band of Brothers with the other alliances you mention. In fact, any other alliance in the game would crumble almost immediately after being threatened by a force as large as those who are currently hostile to BoB. BoB held off virtually all of EVE for almost an entire year and stayed strong, the only thing that finally broke them was being stabbed in the back by those who were supposed to be their closest allies.
Kera Delacour Evenstar Industries	Posted - 2007.12.18 19:51:00 - [509] Edited by: Kera Delacour on 18/12/2007 19:52:46 Originally by: luaPnoRetoV It is foolish to compare the Band of Brothers with the other alliances you mention. In fact, any other alliance in the game would crumble almost immediately after being threatened by a force as large as those who are currently hostile to BoB. BoB held off virtually all of EVE for almost an entire year and stayed strong, the only thing that finally broke them was being stabbed in the back by those who were supposed to be their closest allies. They did it with the help of: Xelas LV MC FIX RISE ISS DR M.Pire YouWhat D-L and a few others Of those 'friends' that helped them for over a year BoB has screwed over: Xelas - Evicted LV (didn't send help when it was really needed) YouWhat - Didn't send help RISE - Helped them only when 'caps' were involved. And otherwise left them out to dry. Then abandoned them to their fate in Fountain after ordering them to go there. ISS - kicked them out of stations in order for RISE to take over (that went well) D-R - RISE helped D-R more than BoB did. And of those allies exactly how many are still allied to BoB? 1... yes ONE of those friends is still allied to BOB. FIX.... God help them if they become seen as a 'weakness' or 'liability' by BoB because they'll get hung out to dry as well. ----------- EVNS, bringing quality carebearing to a solar system near you!
Shayleigh Snowflower DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 19:54:00 - [510] Originally by: Karlemgne Lets take the Goons for instance. They've purposefully attempted to disrupt the game for all of us. So much so that their place of origin (and the community that they are loyal too) the SA forums have had to take measures to distance themselves from the overt activity of their members visa vis EvE Online and CCP. Then you have a certain someone referring to MCs as Jews in a distasteful, hurtful, and sick manner. You've also got the Goons constant bombardment of the forums with their senseless drivel... -Karl I am deeply offended by these accusations. You call me here a racist..? You call me here an evil-doer that try to destroy the game? You use your own personal preferences to call game content senseless? You Karl, have taken the actions of a few to talk down on a whole group and keep the group collectivly responsible for what ever it is that do not go your way. I can not remember that goons have been known to probe out n00bs in missions, steal the salvage, suicide frigs or disrupt other things in Concord controlled space. You are no better than the people walking around in Amarr waring they're scary hood, white shoelaces and some Minmatar women with black eyes and bruises from physical abuse in the name of the emperor. You Karl, sounds like a racist!!

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