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Kerchingo	Posted - 2007.12.17 09:42:00 - [1] When will we see it if ever?
Wyliee Taurus Inc	Posted - 2007.12.17 09:52:00 - [2] dunno but it would be such a good idea to have some kinda killright/bounty trade thing.
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2007.12.17 09:55:00 - [3] You are posting with an alt. Demonstrating why killright trading is simply not viable.
Dinilysia Interregional Market Watch	Posted - 2007.12.17 10:00:00 - [4] Originally by: Fifth Horseman You are posting with an alt. Demonstrating why killright trading is simply not viable. That was completely unintentional. Elaborate please.
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2007.12.17 11:15:00 - [5] Every time a change goes in to make ganking people harder, either via suicide or via lowsec, the gankers have to adapt. When I see the gate gankers in the usual highsec hotspots gathering, you might see a couple of corp mains, but the rest are alts. And the vast majority of "seriously more hardcore than thou" -10 pies are alts, or at least have a selection of alts to pick from, and they don't give two hoots anyway since everybody is allowed to shoot at them, and freedom is just a GTC sale away. So how much do you think some anti pie is prepared to pay for a tradable killright, that will likely be an alt that will never log in, or probably get recycled - and don't think shouting exploit will help. The best you can hope for is role players, and even then, they will be very selective. The sorts of people who give away killrights don't care, because they are either hidable alts or welcome the shooting anyways and you wouldn't need a killright to find them and shoot them.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.12.17 11:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Fifth Horseman Every time a change goes in to make ganking people harder, either via suicide or via lowsec, the gankers have to adapt. When I see the gate gankers in the usual highsec hotspots gathering, you might see a couple of corp mains, but the rest are alts. And the vast majority of "seriously more hardcore than thou" -10 pies are alts, or at least have a selection of alts to pick from, and they don't give two hoots anyway since everybody is allowed to shoot at them, and freedom is just a GTC sale away. So how much do you think some anti pie is prepared to pay for a tradable killright, that will likely be an alt that will never log in, or probably get recycled - and don't think shouting exploit will help. The best you can hope for is role players, and even then, they will be very selective. The sorts of people who give away killrights don't care, because they are either hidable alts or welcome the shooting anyways and you wouldn't need a killright to find them and shoot them. So what's the problem? If pirates have to pay the victim to get their killrights back, isn't that a win-win situation? Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2007.12.17 13:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Tamia Clant So what's the problem? If pirates have to pay the victim to get their killrights back, isn't that a win-win situation? What? Why would anybody do that? What Eve Universe are you living in? I thought it was a single shard.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.12.17 13:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Fifth Horseman Originally by: Tamia Clant So what's the problem? If pirates have to pay the victim to get their killrights back, isn't that a win-win situation? What? Why would anybody do that? What Eve Universe are you living in? I thought it was a single shard. Nevermind, I misunderstood your post, I thought you were saying pirates would buy their own killrights with alts to avoid someone else getting them and killing them. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Friedrich IX Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.12.17 14:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Fifth Horseman Every time a change goes in to make ganking people harder, either via suicide or via lowsec, the gankers have to adapt. When I see the gate gankers in the usual highsec hotspots gathering, you might see a couple of corp mains, but the rest are alts. And the vast majority of "seriously more hardcore than thou" -10 pies are alts, or at least have a selection of alts to pick from, and they don't give two hoots anyway since everybody is allowed to shoot at them, and freedom is just a GTC sale away. So how much do you think some anti pie is prepared to pay for a tradable killright, that will likely be an alt that will never log in, or probably get recycled - and don't think shouting exploit will help. The best you can hope for is role players, and even then, they will be very selective. The sorts of people who give away killrights don't care, because they are either hidable alts or welcome the shooting anyways and you wouldn't need a killright to find them and shoot them. Aside from war decing them, bying the kill right would be cheaper and it would garantee that you woun't get a standing hit when you kill those pirates in low sec. And i wouldn't imagine that the killrights would cost anything significant, that the antipirate wouldn't or couldn't buy them. And if the kill right would be sharable with the corp members(many have the right to kill him, but if his killed the shared kill right disappears) they could be dedicated anti pirate corps, who can go after one guy with a gang. --- Hadean Drive Yards
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.17 15:18:00 - [10] I support transferable kill rights. I'd buy them up just for some pvp action. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.17 15:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Fifth Horseman Every time a change goes in to make ganking people harder, either via suicide or via lowsec, the gankers have to adapt. When I see the gate gankers in the usual highsec hotspots gathering, you might see a couple of corp mains, but the rest are alts. And the vast majority of "seriously more hardcore than thou" -10 pies are alts, or at least have a selection of alts to pick from, and they don't give two hoots anyway since everybody is allowed to shoot at them, and freedom is just a GTC sale away. So how much do you think some anti pie is prepared to pay for a tradable killright, that will likely be an alt that will never log in, or probably get recycled - and don't think shouting exploit will help. The best you can hope for is role players, and even then, they will be very selective. The sorts of people who give away killrights don't care, because they are either hidable alts or welcome the shooting anyways and you wouldn't need a killright to find them and shoot them. All good points, but look at the market, there are a bunch of things that don't sell well... Kill Rights could be a commodity, bought and sold like any other item... and let the market set the value. From what I understand, recycling Alts for Suicide Ganking is an exploit, a bannable offense, who better to help monitor and report these then a player who has lost the "Kill Rights" because an alt was recycled... Its one thing to toss away a ship and some standing, facing a ban where a report may just be filed (opposed to now when they are rarely if ever noticed) may be too much for some to face. While I may not like Suicide Ganking, I think it should stay in the game... but the cost needs to be born for the attack... 1) Concord needs to show up instantly if the Gankers are in an NPC corp (Gankers can be wardeced) 2) No Insurance for ships popped by Concordà 3) Make kill rights a tradable commodityà --------*****-------- It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
Brianna Talnor	Posted - 2007.12.17 17:06:00 - [12] Originally by: Hamfast Originally by: Fifth Horseman Every time a change goes in to make ganking people harder, either via suicide or via lowsec, the gankers have to adapt. When I see the gate gankers in the usual highsec hotspots gathering, you might see a couple of corp mains, but the rest are alts. And the vast majority of "seriously more hardcore than thou" -10 pies are alts, or at least have a selection of alts to pick from, and they don't give two hoots anyway since everybody is allowed to shoot at them, and freedom is just a GTC sale away. So how much do you think some anti pie is prepared to pay for a tradable killright, that will likely be an alt that will never log in, or probably get recycled - and don't think shouting exploit will help. The best you can hope for is role players, and even then, they will be very selective. The sorts of people who give away killrights don't care, because they are either hidable alts or welcome the shooting anyways and you wouldn't need a killright to find them and shoot them. All good points, but look at the market, there are a bunch of things that don't sell well... Kill Rights could be a commodity, bought and sold like any other item... and let the market set the value. From what I understand, recycling Alts for Suicide Ganking is an exploit, a bannable offense, who better to help monitor and report these then a player who has lost the "Kill Rights" because an alt was recycled... Its one thing to toss away a ship and some standing, facing a ban where a report may just be filed (opposed to now when they are rarely if ever noticed) may be too much for some to face. While I may not like Suicide Ganking, I think it should stay in the game... but the cost needs to be born for the attack... 1) Concord needs to show up instantly if the Gankers are in an NPC corp (Gankers can be wardeced) 2) No Insurance for ships popped by Concordà 3) Make kill rights a tradable commodityà That's a cool idea. I love suicide ganks and everything associated with them and I think that your ideas will not hinder suicide ganks but lead to more overall ganking. Having kill rights be a commodity is the best idea for making more gankage in the game that I smile just thinking about it. Give EVE more gank plz !
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.17 17:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Hamfast From what I understand, recycling Alts for Suicide Ganking is an exploit, a bannable offense I'm fairly certain you're wrong. Personally, I suicide on my main. If you want me, come get me. Originally by: Hamfast , who better to help monitor and report these then a player who has lost the "Kill Rights" because an alt was recycled... Its one thing to toss away a ship and some standing, facing a ban where a report may just be filed (opposed to now when they are rarely if ever noticed) may be too much for some to face. While I may not like Suicide Ganking, I think it should stay in the game... but the cost needs to be born for the attack... Let me guess, you lost 500M+ in a t1 hauler with only cargo expanders fitted? Originally by: Hamfast 1) Concord needs to show up instantly if the Gankers are in an NPC corp (Gankers can be wardeced) Why? CCP never intended high sec to be absolutely safe. Originally by: Hamfast 2) No Insurance for ships popped by Concordà As an occasional suicide ganker myself I can tell you in no uncertain terms, that this will not stop suicide ganking. As long as people continue to haul ludicrously valuable things in ships that cannot adequately protect the goods, there will be suicide gankers. Originally by: Hamfast 3) Make kill rights a tradable commodityà I support this and eagerly anticipated kill rights on me being transferred to a pvper for random acts of pvp fun. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Merdaneth Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.17 17:22:00 - [14] Trade of kill right will (inevitably) cause killrights to be used more often, thus leading to more PvP (ganks or not). That seems to be a good thing to me. Also, it would make people think twice about just ganking every noob in sight. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2007.12.17 17:23:00 - [15] +1 for tradable kill rights. Even if suicide gankers kill with alts, that let the anti pirate corp hunt the alts if they are used a second time. Anyway, the bounty system is BROKEN, it must be fixed by this way or another one...
Kurogauna	Posted - 2007.12.17 18:03:00 - [16] adding more pvp into the empire, i like it /signed Maybe no more baby blue ! Check on sisi and on this thread.
Red Gabba M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.12.17 18:27:00 - [17] interesting idea, i like it :) -
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2007.12.18 10:04:00 - [18] It might mean a teeny tiny bit more empire PvP, but that wasn't the goal, the goal was to allow people to get revenge exacted upon a person very directly. And tradable killrights aren't the answer, since you can't trade the killright you have on "SuicideAlt00009" to some MercenaryPilot and allow him to shoot at "TheMainWhoStoleTheLootInstead". If you really want to be able to exact such a revenge, AND introduce more empire PvP, AND keep it balanced, then introduce Personal Skirmish Wars. 1 million isk to declare. 15 minute countdown to a 15 minute war. 1v1 - Standard aggresion spreading. Somebody would have to think up some other stuff, like multiple declaration cost stacking etc. Once you can declare against a peron, if only for a short time, you can sort out amongst yourselves who gets to shoot at who, for whatever reason, for whatever reward.
Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2007.12.18 11:41:00 - [19] Edited by: Vito Parabellum on 18/12/2007 11:45:12 Originally by: Fifth Horseman It might mean a teeny tiny bit more empire PvP, but that wasn't the goal, the goal was to allow people to get revenge exacted upon a person very directly. And tradable killrights aren't the answer, since you can't trade the killright you have on "SuicideAlt00009" to some MercenaryPilot and allow him to shoot at "TheMainWhoStoleTheLootInstead". If you really want to be able to exact such a revenge, AND introduce more empire PvP, AND keep it balanced, then introduce Personal Skirmish Wars. 1 million isk to declare. 15 minute countdown to a 15 minute war. 1v1 - Standard aggresion spreading. Somebody would have to think up some other stuff, like multiple declaration cost stacking etc. Once you can declare against a peron, if only for a short time, you can sort out amongst yourselves who gets to shoot at who, for whatever reason, for whatever reward. Lol, that would be excellent. No more suicide ganking needed at all, you just pay 1M to kill that fat freighter that just undocked? The idea of tradable killrights has been around since before killrights were introduced and behold! Nothing. Also tracking targets in empire is very hard with the stupid locator agents having a cooldown time, lookup delay and being sparse. It's difficult doing it with two chars, can't see it happening with a single bountyhunter. ------ When you say "no one's perfect", Chuck Norris takes this as a personal insult.
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2007.12.18 12:04:00 - [20] Originally by: Vito Parabellum Lol, that would be excellent. No more suicide ganking needed at all, you just pay 1M to kill that fat freighter that just undocked? The idea of tradable killrights has been around since before killrights were introduced and behold! Nothing. Also tracking targets in empire is very hard with the stupid locator agents having a cooldown time, lookup delay and being sparse. It's difficult doing it with two chars, can't see it happening with a single bountyhunter. I'm for the fighting, but I recognise the need of balance, the 15 minute countdown would give the freighter time to dock. Whatever on screen representation would also be employed by macro miners to initiate a 30 minute dock sequence. 1 million isk to make a macro dock for 30 minutes. Bargain. Illegal isk price reach $25 for 100 million before you can say "GTC".

CCP Hammer	Posted - 2007.12.18 12:07:00 - [21] We would like to see this happen some day but we would like to put some more game mechanics around it. We have some plans for improving the bounty hunting profession.

N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.12.18 12:45:00 - [22] Trading killrights is a good idea. I also like the idea of buying killrights. Effectively its a player to player war declaration. You buy the right to ship and podkill a player once. It would work just like a corp to corp declaration with steep costs for trying to personally wardec someone who has other people doing the same thing. To expand on that idea I think there should be some relation to the relative skillpoints of the two players. Wardeccing on a newb with your 70Mil SP char should be outrageously expensive to the point where its simply not worth it. This would at least give new players a fair fight if a veteran decided he was going to start personal wardeccing on them. Realistically he would need to set up an alt with only a couple million SP's. There could also be a cooloff period after the kill has been made or the time has lapsed, it could be 2 months before you can declare again, or you could redeclare with much higher costs. =============================================
Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.18 13:31:00 - [23] Trading with killrights it's a very fun idea. Pirates would be hesitant to blow shuttles or noobships too, making them to engage only worthy preys instead "everything at sight". ________________________________________
Jovoich Towers Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.18 13:40:00 - [24] Ok, a little bit of topic. But how much do u think chribbs kill rights would cost?
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.18 13:42:00 - [25] brilliant idea. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Lobo13 Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.18 13:43:00 - [26] Originally by: CCP Hammer We would like to see this happen some day but we would like to put some more game mechanics around it. We have some plans for improving the bounty hunting profession. I'd hit that up! I'm no alt, your an alt, in fact your mom is an alt too!
Jonny JoJo Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.12.18 14:00:00 - [27] Originally by: CCP Hammer We would like to see this happen some day but we would like to put some more game mechanics around it. We have some plans for improving the bounty hunting profession. Sounds good. I personaly would love to see bounties come out of ship insurance, so a 1bil bounty on someone really is a billion worth of pain! Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2007.12.18 14:10:00 - [28] Trading kill rights (KR) is actually a novel idea, I can see a whole industry growing around. Lots of people have neither interest nor skills/stomach to PvP. Scenario: Anti-pirate corporation moves into an area, shops around for KR on the local pirates and goes to town. No concord interference, no security status hit. Sort of a single-person-wardec. Could be balanced by shortening the KR when traded to say a week from time of trade. Price would have to be pre-determined, probably based on the evil-doers security status or the amount of outstanding KR active. Could be a lot of fun and breathe new life into low-sec :D
Ignatius Armitage	Posted - 2007.12.18 14:27:00 - [29] Edited by: Ignatius Armitage on 18/12/2007 14:28:12 Originally by: CCP Hammer We would like to see this happen some day but we would like to put some more game mechanics around it. We have some plans for ~~improving~~ implementing the bounty hunting profession. FIFY /bitter
Darina Rea Naqam	Posted - 2007.12.18 15:08:00 - [30] Imagen the new trade spam... "Selling kill rights to <list of names>, 20 million each" yea... _________ Time is on our side.

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