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Exlegion
Caldari
New Light
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:01:00 -
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I'm currently experimenting with heat and the effects on Marauders. But as it stands it doesn't seem like it's worth it (atleast on missions). Even with offlined modules acting as heatsinks and the skill at lvl 4 (currently training to lvl 5) the guns start taking damage almost immediately. I was thinking maybe a boost from 5% to 7.5% per level may help. Hell, I wouldn't mind replacing the tractor beam bonus on Marauders with a flat % increase to the Thermodynamics skill. Would this change be game-breaking? What do devs and players think about this idea?
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FawKa
Gallente
x13
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:08:00 -
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I would rather want a skill that makes them take more heat before getting dmg'd. Thermo is fine tbh, they do not take that much dmg at lvl. V but we still have to repair all the time..
I guess we have to wait for Tech 3 tho 
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Vrenth
Gallente
23rd Armor
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Exlegion
I'm currently experimenting with heat and the effects on Marauders. But as it stands it doesn't seem like it's worth it (atleast on missions). Even with offlined modules acting as heatsinks and the skill at lvl 4 (currently training to lvl 5) the guns start taking damage almost immediately. I was thinking maybe a boost from 5% to 7.5% per level may help. Hell, I wouldn't mind replacing the tractor beam bonus on Marauders with a flat % increase to the Thermodynamics skill. Would this change be game-breaking? What do devs and players think about this idea?
Tech 1 and 2 items are not designed to be overloaded. Only in extreme situations or emergencies should they be overloaded. There is almost never a time like this in PvE as long as your prepared. Overheating, as it is right now, is pretty much pvp only. A short, but very impacting advantage.
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Exlegion
Caldari
New Light
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.17 20:27:00 -
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True. However, it would be nice to see heat become more than just that last-minute-before-you-pop-in-PVP extremely situational skill. I think Marauders are great candidates to introduce heat as a viable alternative to the conventional fittings out there.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2007.12.17 20:55:00 -
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Overloading is fundamentally a short term thing. So no, I don't think it'll _ever_ be worth using in missions. (Well, unless it's to kill that last NPC with the insane tank or something).
As is, a thermodynamics boost on Marauders wouldn't really be game breaking. It'd just be a sucky bonus.
Even with a reduced damage rate from overloading, they still won't last the amount of time you need to complete a mission. (or if they did, then that _would_ be broken).
Incidentally, a Golem takes very significantly longer to burn out than a Raven does, if you lay the modules out right.
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Zeph Solaris
NYIT Gangstaz
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.17 21:00:00 -
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Instead of doing that, give the modules more HP.
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Gordon Red
SteelVipers
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.12.17 22:03:00 -
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IMHO the hole damage thing is a little bit useless.
The damage to modules and their "destruction" is totally impractical, if I overheat my weapons they are gone in a matter of seconds and NOTHING is won.
The only useful act is to overheat my MWD to escape a gate camp or to overheat my webber to catch someone right out of my range (because they don't generate too much heat).
To counter the damage right away with the nanite paste is a step in the wrong direction. It only a conclusion for the symptoms, but does not remove the impractical situation.
=> Better and more useful would be, if the overheated modules go into a semi off-line status and will come back online, after the heat is fully dissipated.
Like modern technology, the system will be shut down, BEFORE damage is done.
After it cooled down it will be operational again.
Naturally it will take longer to get rid off the heat as to produce it. 
Later with even more advanced technology it might be available to fit "real" heat sinks or ships will be developed that get rid off the heat faster.
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Rogerano
Minmatar
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.12.18 05:56:00 -
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Remember though, that CCP gave most ships a 25% increase to shield, armour and structure hit-points. This in an effort to lengthen combat. If heat is made into anything more than a very short "burst" of extra ability (damage, range, what-have-you), the net effect of the hp increase will only be 5% (assuming weapon dmg when over-heated is +20%). Uncool. Any initiative which increases damage output goes directly against CCP's stated aims of making pvp combat last longer.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.12.18 08:05:00 -
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On Marauders, I didn't expect to be able to overheat all 4 weapons permanently.
But how about overheating just one of the four, with 3 modules as heatsinks ?
And have you noticed any difference between, say, 3 offlined small nos and 3 offlined heavy NOS as a heat sink (just an example) ?
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.12.18 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
On Marauders, I didn't expect to be able to overheat all 4 weapons permanently.
But how about overheating just one of the four, with 3 modules as heatsinks ?
And have you noticed any difference between, say, 3 offlined small nos and 3 offlined heavy NOS as a heat sink (just an example) ?
I've tried it with all sorts of diff stuff in the heatsink spots. All modules have 40hp it seems, and they all take heat at the same hp/sec it seems as well.
I experimented with this by just overheating, then docking to see exactly how man hp of damage was done, with various mods, for the same amount of vollies etc.
Damage seems random, but fairly consistant.
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Dristra
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.18 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gordon Red
IMHO the hole damage thing is a little bit useless.
The damage to modules and their "destruction" is totally impractical, if I overheat my weapons they are gone in a matter of seconds and NOTHING is won.
The only useful act is to overheat my MWD to escape a gate camp or to overheat my webber to catch someone right out of my range (because they don't generate too much heat).
To counter the damage right away with the nanite paste is a step in the wrong direction. It only a conclusion for the symptoms, but does not remove the impractical situation.
=> Better and more useful would be, if the overheated modules go into a semi off-line status and will come back online, after the heat is fully dissipated.
Like modern technology, the system will be shut down, BEFORE damage is done.
After it cooled down it will be operational again.
Naturally it will take longer to get rid off the heat as to produce it.
Later with even more advanced technology it might be available to fit "real" heat sinks or ships will be developed that get rid off the heat faster.
I agree, when I heard about heat I thought that we had this heat meter, and only if you let the meter go to red would you damage your mods, well, trust ccp to make things harder by making them annoying and time consuming instead.
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