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Balevian
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Posted - 2007.12.18 11:36:00 -
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When is CCP going to do something to stop the ever growing amount of macros.
Osmon Ice Fields for example, There was on average only 40 users in Osmon local before the macros could get back in game after the Trinity upgrade. It is now around 70 and will in time get to over 100 again.
It's not difficult to see who is a macro, they are on line 23 hours a day, thy never move back to the Stations except for a controller hauler, they never say anything in local.
I have seen a macro in Osmon VII icefield 1 now for 3 days mining nonestop. rats attack the macros but not hard enough to destroy the Mackinaws. maybe the rats in icefields should include Battleships, to even the odds.
Please Please CCP do something effective about this blatent miss use of the EULA, or do you keep them as paying accounts.
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.18 11:40:00 -
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oh lol did they ever leave?
this problem is a headache to solve. and also work because of repetetive gameplay operations. make it more interactive, macro will be tougher to make
for farmers tho, that doesnt work...
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Balevian
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Posted - 2007.12.18 11:44:00 -
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As I stated before though, If they cannot stop macros getting in game, Then make it harder to mine ice with nastier Rats that can destroy Mackinaws.
Any player who has a mackinaw should also be able to defend themselves. or atleast 1 person if in a gang.
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Groes Thir
Gallente
Art of War
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Posted - 2007.12.18 11:49:00 -
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Either ban china or make noob corps be ignored by concordes fist of fury
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Barthezz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 11:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Balevian
It's not difficult to see who is a macro, they are on line 23 hours a day, thy never move back to the Stations except for a controller hauler, they never say anything in local.
Two questions:
1) How do you know that their online 23/7 ?
2) Why is someone that never says anything a macro?
I dont respond to anything in local either, heck 9 out of 10 times I dont even look at local. At least not when I'm mining (when I pvp I tend to watch local like a hawk, unless there's pretty women on tv  )
And there are plenty of people online before I come online and are still online after I log off and I'm sure their not macro's as I PVP with them 
However, because their online before and after me doesnt mean their online 23/7.
Now I'm not saying macro's dont exist, nor am I not saying its not a problem. However saying stuff without proof is too easy.
I'm also pretty sure that CCP regularly checks accounts that are online 23/7 day after day, week after week.
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Almethea
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.18 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Balevian
1) they never say anything in local.
2) maybe the rats in icefields should include Battleships...
3) Please Please CCP do something effective about this blatent miss use of the EULA, or do you keep them as paying accounts.
1) I never speak in local...i'm not a macro
2) /signed and why not some faction  "i feel ice field are gonna camped by npc hunter, the problem of macro still because hunters gonna protect macro"
3) i'm think ban macro gonna completly change ore price (and not in good for manufacturer)  , may be Miner will back lucrative work  ... btw let CCP in peace, they have other work to do atm
try just to forget them 
One Isk Baby
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Balevian
Prospect Dreams
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Posted - 2007.12.18 11:59:00 -
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As you state, there is the chance that either these peaple online are robots or as you say never bother to read local.So proving it is difficult but what about common sense, or initiating contact with the individual to check they are real.
I would like to think that it is time for Rat Battle Ships to roam the Ice Belts.
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MacDowra1
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Posted - 2007.12.18 12:26:00 -
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Interesting how touchy some people are when you say something about macros. 
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.18 12:42:00 -
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well - whats wrong with an insured disco-raven...? do the community a favor and smartbomb them out of there. i'm sure you're gonna get at least four macks - one of the joys after they removed ice from very high security systems.
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.18 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Lazuran on 18/12/2007 12:57:57
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
well - whats wrong with an insured disco-raven...? do the community a favor and smartbomb them out of there. i'm sure you're gonna get at least four macks - one of the joys after they removed ice from very high security systems.
How's that a favour to the community when it's probably some alliance's alts desperately mining ice for ****ing POSes? :-/ Can't blame people for macroing when so much stuff in the game requires dumb repetitive gameplay...
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DeathMan
Minmatar
Esoteric Order
Independent Faction
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:37:00 -
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Sadly Macro'ers are a nessisary Evil in EVE. Sure maybe banning a handful at a time is about the best situation that can happen. The whole EVE economy would crash nearly instantly if you eliminated Macro'ers. Ship prices would at least double due to mineral prices. Then you'd have POS's shutting down due to inadiquate ICE and then component prices for T2 would jump and T2 ships probably would jump largely in price as well.
Its an evil cycle that would cause the economy to a stand still. Wars might pick up because well if you annihilate the peoples supplys they'll be dead in the water since items would be so expensive.
Either way its not good, but then again its not as bad as it could be.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Globaltech Industries
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:44:00 -
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why dont you just steal what inside there can, if they are robots then they wont know @.@ and plus your making some free goodies on the way until they notice then once they do pump up those disco lights
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Cruthensis
Gallente
Farmer Killers
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: DeathMan
The whole EVE economy would crash nearly instantly if you eliminated Macro'ers.
Corps would adapt and fill the niches. Mining low-end minerals would be a worthwhile business for real players. This idea that the Eve economy is somehow 'dependant' upon the ISK farmers is thoroughly erroneous when real-life driving factors are absent: we can't starve and are not permanently dead if 'killed'.
Thus, wars may be fought, prices may go up, but Eve players, being an entrepreneurial bunch, will adapt and capitalise.
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LastTraitorStanding
Amarr
The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
why dont you just steal what inside there can, if they are robots then they wont know @.@ and plus your making some free goodies on the way until they notice then once they do pump up those disco lights
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Necronomicon
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:52:00 -
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Very simple, take 1 part snake clone, 1 part vagabond, 2 parts OD2, 1 part mwd, and bump them off grid 3 times a day until macro breaks :P
KIA - Don't ask me, I was off grid.
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Yngve Den'Yngre
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Posted - 2007.12.18 13:52:00 -
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Fit a nano cruiser, gain some speed and bump their ships out of range of the asteroids? if you get a cranky response in local or if they don't move at all after a few minutes then you will know if they are macroing or not.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 18/12/2007 14:09:12
It's not that they can't stop them from getting into the game. CCP wants their money, chinese farmbots net ccp millions upon millions each year; at this time they are at least 1/3 of the playerbase. It's insane.
Originally by: Balevian
As I stated before though, If they cannot stop macros getting in game, Then make it harder to mine ice with nastier Rats that can destroy Mackinaws.
Any player who has a mackinaw should also be able to defend themselves. or atleast 1 person if in a gang.
Then they would just have a guy in a dominix or something whose job it is to sit there and put shield transfers on the macks while destroying the bs spawns.
Originally by: DeathMan
The whole EVE economy would crash nearly instantly if you eliminated Macro'ers.
If by crash you mean stabilize, then yes you are correct.
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DJ P
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:19:00 -
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Back in the pure ages (until macrominers hit the game), they were mining player corporations. They made profits by selling the tritanium at 4.8 pu, using Osprey mainly, and named T1 miners. Neither specialised skills, implants or modules existed back then.
What can be done now? CCP knows the accounts but does nothing. They are paying customers after all.
There are the game mechanics to help us but we want the cheap ships. So we close the eyes where the minerals came from.
Imho Belevian did something right. Reported their lair (Osmon). It's our duty now to kick them HARD.
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MINDPARSER
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:26:00 -
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CCP why don't u enforce players to join player corps instead of NPC ones?
I mean it's not that hard to disallow players that are older than 1month to stay in npc corp for more than a day or two?
Then he must make his own corp or join another one, that can be war decced.
Problem solved.
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Golden Dove
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:39:00 -
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i for one welcome our cheap capital ship fuel overlords
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Ari Chu
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:44:00 -
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One way to reduce the number of macros would be to change mining such that each cycle of mining gives you "some" of the ore you are mining, and "some" of a random crap ore that is completely worthless for any reason whatsoever... but fills up the cargo nicely and needs to be jetison'd...
... true, the macro's will come up with some clever ways to get around it - but by having different types of "crap material" you could get away from the macro just discarding all but the first item in the can... because the "good stuff" might be the third or fourth item depending on what other crap you happen to get.
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Dahin
Maza Nostra
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.12.18 14:50:00 -
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If I made a macro to steal from their cans,
would CCP hate me?
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Dommie Jax
Caldari
Blue Phoenix Research
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:20:00 -
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If there was only a way to get teh macro out of NPC corp we could war dec them and nuke them to hell
I personally am going to stick in a single unit of ore into a can wait for the hauler to take it, then sramble him and blow him the hell up
So much easier than stealing cans as he gets the aggro not you :)
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Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: MacDowra1
Interesting how touchy some people are when you say something about macros.
isnt it just.
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 18/12/2007 15:36:32
Originally by: Ari Chu
One way to reduce the number of macros would be to change mining such that each cycle of mining gives you "some" of the ore you are mining, and "some" of a random crap ore that is completely worthless for any reason whatsoever... but fills up the cargo nicely and needs to be jetison'd...
I've got a better idea - we just shut down the whole game! No macros anymore!
Of course, you lose all players as well, but that doesn't really bother anyone, does it?
Your "solution" will do only the following:
Macro: Huh? They changed it. OK, so I'll rewrite my macro to recognize anything that is NOT the ore I want and throw it out.
Miner 1: WTF? Now I have to spend twice as much time staring at the screen to do this boring job.
Miner 2: Gah. That's it, I'm getting a macro.
Does this solve anything? No.
[ edit ] I don't think there is any "solution" that won't punish other players as well.
Remove the need for macros, and they'll be less frequent. No idea how, though.
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Selestor
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:47:00 -
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can you still put ICE/Ore in their can and when the macro removes it he gets flagged to you = dead?
And do all these macro's use jet cans?
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Khald
Gallente
Archaic Rage
Order of Khaos
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:53:00 -
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Quote:
[ edit ] I don't think there is any "solution" that won't punish other players as well.
Remove the need for macros, and they'll be less frequent. No idea how, though.
What if Mining became more effective in short periods? IE Hour one 500% of current yield, Hour Two 400%, Hour three -700%, Hour four-twenty three -1000%. This would make players able to keep mins flowing without having to resort to 23/7 mining to be competitive. At worst it would make the macroers have to buy alot more accounts.
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DOC PIC
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Posted - 2007.12.18 15:56:00 -
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\o/ I'm in macro thread 125498776318491235445664413544
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:02:00 -
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Maybe just a change of attitude is needed.
These low paid slaves mining so we dont have too is the perfect way of exploiting the third world.
Its capitalism in a pure form.
I only hope the macros are run by small underfed children with running sores, they might make some TV ads about them over christmas so we can point and laugh while stuffing down the food.
CCP dont seem to care about this so why should we.
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Dunpeal
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.18 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Khald
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[ edit ] I don't think there is any "solution" that won't punish other players as well.
Remove the need for macros, and they'll be less frequent. No idea how, though.
What if Mining became more effective in short periods? IE Hour one 500% of current yield, Hour Two 400%, Hour three -700%, Hour four-twenty three -1000%. This would make players able to keep mins flowing without having to resort to 23/7 mining to be competitive. At worst it would make the macroers have to buy alot more accounts.
AWESOME IDEA!
Now... how to do that?
Plz stop saying that CCP don't care about it, they aren't just GOD's who are omnipotent so they can look after every player all the time.
It's their game, their game is not getting played as they want to (Macro's), this people are in violation of their EULA, so OF COURSE they care, there just isn't any solution for this problem at the moment, otherwise no MMO would have this suckers, but in reallity any popular MMO has the issue, and i'd bet EVERY MMO out there has this problem actually.
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