Originally by: Balevian

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It's not difficult to see who is a macro, they are on line 23 hours a day, thy never move back to the Stations except for a controller hauler, they never say anything in local.

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Originally by: Balevian

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1) they never say anything in local.

2) maybe the rats in icefields should include Battleships...

3) Please Please CCP do something effective about this blatent miss use of the EULA, or do you keep them as paying accounts.

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Originally by: Roemy Schneider

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well - whats wrong with an insured disco-raven...? do the community a favor and smartbomb them out of there. i'm sure you're gonna get at least four macks - one of the joys after they removed ice from very high security systems.

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Originally by: DeathMan

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The whole EVE economy would crash nearly instantly if you eliminated Macro'ers.

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Originally by: Armoured C

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why dont you just steal what inside there can, if they are robots then they wont know @.@ and plus your making some free goodies on the way until they notice then once they do pump up those disco lights

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Originally by: Balevian

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As I stated before though, If they cannot stop macros getting in game, Then make it harder to mine ice with nastier Rats that can destroy Mackinaws.

Any player who has a mackinaw should also be able to defend themselves. or atleast 1 person if in a gang.

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Originally by: DeathMan

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The whole EVE economy would crash nearly instantly if you eliminated Macro'ers.

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Originally by: MacDowra1

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Interesting how touchy some people are when you say something about macros.

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Originally by: Ari Chu

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One way to reduce the number of macros would be to change mining such that each cycle of mining gives you "some" of the ore you are mining, and "some" of a random crap ore that is completely worthless for any reason whatsoever... but fills up the cargo nicely and needs to be jetison'd...

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[ edit ] I don't think there is any "solution" that won't punish other players as well.
Remove the need for macros, and they'll be less frequent. No idea how, though.

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Originally by: Khald

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[ edit ] I don't think there is any "solution" that won't punish other players as well.
Remove the need for macros, and they'll be less frequent. No idea how, though.

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What if Mining became more effective in short periods? IE Hour one 500% of current yield, Hour Two 400%, Hour three -700%, Hour four-twenty three -1000%. This would make players able to keep mins flowing without having to resort to 23/7 mining to be competitive. At worst it would make the macroers have to buy alot more accounts.

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Originally by: Dunpeal

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Originally by: Khald

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[ edit ] I don't think there is any "solution" that won't punish other players as well.
Remove the need for macros, and they'll be less frequent. No idea how, though.

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What if Mining became more effective in short periods? IE Hour one 500% of current yield, Hour Two 400%, Hour three -700%, Hour four-twenty three -1000%. This would make players able to keep mins flowing without having to resort to 23/7 mining to be competitive. At worst it would make the macroers have to buy alot more accounts.

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AWESOME IDEA!
Now... how to do that?

Plz stop saying that CCP don't care about it, they aren't just GOD's who are omnipotent so they can look after every player all the time.
It's their game, their game is not getting played as they want to (Macro's), this people are in violation of their EULA, so OF COURSE they care, there just isn't any solution for this problem at the moment, otherwise no MMO would have this suckers, but in reallity any popular MMO has the issue, and i'd bet EVERY MMO out there has this problem actually.

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Originally by: Groes Thir

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Either ban china or make noob corps be ignored by concordes fist of fury

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Originally by: Michael McNeil

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easyest salution is see would be, you report a player, if you give a good enough reason for reporting this person. (i bumped the miner 3000km from the rock he/she was mining and the player said nothing, i convoed him but he said nothing, i killed him... he said nothing and returned with a new ship... yes some good macros can do this or so ive been told.)

ccp respons with first action.
1) a dev that reads your report opens a convo with the player.

2) upon failer to communicate the dev looks up the players log history, how many hours the player is on. if the player has a normal playing time of 20hours plus per day. the player is flagged to a watch list.

3) after a month of no respones to the eve mail in the players account and real email, ccp stops billing the account and freezes the account until the player respons vie email or other methods set furth by ccp.

this is just how i would handle it, but thats me. on the other hand you must look at this, if a person can make real life money that warents them makeing say 10 accounts a month, use 2 to 3 of them to mine. train the other accounts to replace the accounts that get blocked you would run into the problem of the player being able to make more accounts then ccp could block. ccp would need a macro crime devition. SMU (special macro crime unit) anyone?

In the end this seems to be just a case of one side builds a better sheild the other a better sword. and unfortently unless ccp wants to block ip address's of the mother boards or the internet cards which would make the use of macros to expensive if you had to buy a new mohterboard every time you got banned.

I comepletly expect ppl to not know what i ment by banning the ip address that the motherboard gives off. so heres an explanation that was given to me by my web page design instructer. "every computer has an identifaction code, its how the fbi tracks computer users. the ip address most of you are familer with is your internet ip, this Ip is given to you by the service provider, it changes with providers and in some cases everytime you log on. however your hard wear like the mother board has its own identifaction code which can be tracked by gov't or others with powerful enough programs."

only problem i see is if this could cause problems with privacy rights of the player. in which case ccp would only start to track this ip after 1 month of noncommunication with ccp.

now the issue of communication and macros, if a macro was created with preprogramed responses to questions ccp should record the convos and adjust their questions to random methods of answering their by making it hader fo the macros to respond. yes not everyone is good with english, you probably have found many mistakes in my post. but im speaking about repeated responses and a nutral tone in the respons. much like how cops repeat a question 5 to 6 times to get diffent responses.

hope this gives some ppl an idea of one possible fix or hurddle to throw at the macro users.

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Originally by: Khald

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Originally by: Michael McNeil

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easyest salution is see would be, you report a player, if you give a good enough reason for reporting this person. (i bumped the miner 3000km from the rock he/she was mining and the player said nothing, i convoed him but he said nothing, i killed him... he said nothing and returned with a new ship... yes some good macros can do this or so ive been told.)

ccp respons with first action.
1) a dev that reads your report opens a convo with the player.

2) upon failer to communicate the dev looks up the players log history, how many hours the player is on. if the player has a normal playing time of 20hours plus per day. the player is flagged to a watch list.

3) after a month of no respones to the eve mail in the players account and real email, ccp stops billing the account and freezes the account until the player respons vie email or other methods set furth by ccp.

this is just how i would handle it, but thats me. on the other hand you must look at this, if a person can make real life money that warents them makeing say 10 accounts a month, use 2 to 3 of them to mine. train the other accounts to replace the accounts that get blocked you would run into the problem of the player being able to make more accounts then ccp could block. ccp would need a macro crime devition. SMU (special macro crime unit) anyone?

In the end this seems to be just a case of one side builds a better sheild the other a better sword. and unfortently unless ccp wants to block ip address's of the mother boards or the internet cards which would make the use of macros to expensive if you had to buy a new mohterboard every time you got banned.

I comepletly expect ppl to not know what i ment by banning the ip address that the motherboard gives off. so heres an explanation that was given to me by my web page design instructer. "every computer has an identifaction code, its how the fbi tracks computer users. the ip address most of you are familer with is your internet ip, this Ip is given to you by the service provider, it changes with providers and in some cases everytime you log on. however your hard wear like the mother board has its own identifaction code which can be tracked by gov't or others with powerful enough programs."

only problem i see is if this could cause problems with privacy rights of the player. in which case ccp would only start to track this ip after 1 month of noncommunication with ccp.

now the issue of communication and macros, if a macro was created with preprogramed responses to questions ccp should record the convos and adjust their questions to random methods of answering their by making it hader fo the macros to respond. yes not everyone is good with english, you probably have found many mistakes in my post. but im speaking about repeated responses and a nutral tone in the respons. much like how cops repeat a question 5 to 6 times to get diffent responses.

hope this gives some ppl an idea of one possible fix or hurddle to throw at the macro users.

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Motherboards do not have ip address assigned to them they have serial numbers. You cannot access a motherboards serial number as it is stamped onto it not programed into a chip. CPU's have serial numbers but you have to grant access to this in the BIOS. HDD also have serial numbers.

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Originally by: John McDuff

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Originally by: Khald

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Originally by: Michael McNeil

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easyest salution is see would be, you report a player, if you give a good enough reason for reporting this person. (i bumped the miner 3000km from the rock he/she was mining and the player said nothing, i convoed him but he said nothing, i killed him... he said nothing and returned with a new ship... yes some good macros can do this or so ive been told.)

ccp respons with first action.
1) a dev that reads your report opens a convo with the player.

2) upon failer to communicate the dev looks up the players log history, how many hours the player is on. if the player has a normal playing time of 20hours plus per day. the player is flagged to a watch list.

3) after a month of no respones to the eve mail in the players account and real email, ccp stops billing the account and freezes the account until the player respons vie email or other methods set furth by ccp.

this is just how i would handle it, but thats me. on the other hand you must look at this, if a person can make real life money that warents them makeing say 10 accounts a month, use 2 to 3 of them to mine. train the other accounts to replace the accounts that get blocked you would run into the problem of the player being able to make more accounts then ccp could block. ccp would need a macro crime devition. SMU (special macro crime unit) anyone?

In the end this seems to be just a case of one side builds a better sheild the other a better sword. and unfortently unless ccp wants to block ip address's of the mother boards or the internet cards which would make the use of macros to expensive if you had to buy a new mohterboard every time you got banned.

I comepletly expect ppl to not know what i ment by banning the ip address that the motherboard gives off. so heres an explanation that was given to me by my web page design instructer. "every computer has an identifaction code, its how the fbi tracks computer users. the ip address most of you are familer with is your internet ip, this Ip is given to you by the service provider, it changes with providers and in some cases everytime you log on. however your hard wear like the mother board has its own identifaction code which can be tracked by gov't or others with powerful enough programs."

only problem i see is if this could cause problems with privacy rights of the player. in which case ccp would only start to track this ip after 1 month of noncommunication with ccp.

now the issue of communication and macros, if a macro was created with preprogramed responses to questions ccp should record the convos and adjust their questions to random methods of answering their by making it hader fo the macros to respond. yes not everyone is good with english, you probably have found many mistakes in my post. but im speaking about repeated responses and a nutral tone in the respons. much like how cops repeat a question 5 to 6 times to get diffent responses.

hope this gives some ppl an idea of one possible fix or hurddle to throw at the macro users.

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Motherboards do not have ip address assigned to them they have serial numbers. You cannot access a motherboards serial number as it is stamped onto it not programed into a chip. CPU's have serial numbers but you have to grant access to this in the BIOS. HDD also have serial numbers.

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It called a MAC adress, physically identyfying a network adapter. Afaik these cannot be detected over TCP however. Also, a new netword adapter is quite cheap, not bad on a monthly basis to keep farming.

imo not a viable approach in whatever way

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Originally by: John McDuff

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It called a MAC adress, physically identyfying a network adapter. Afaik these cannot be detected over TCP however. Also, a new netword adapter is quite cheap, not bad on a monthly basis to keep farming.

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Originally by: Khald

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Originally by: John McDuff

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Originally by: Khald

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Originally by: Michael McNeil

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Motherboards do not have ip address assigned to them they have serial numbers. You cannot access a motherboards serial number as it is stamped onto it not programed into a chip. CPU's have serial numbers but you have to grant access to this in the BIOS. HDD also have serial numbers.

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It called a MAC adress, physically identyfying a network adapter. Afaik these cannot be detected over TCP however. Also, a new netword adapter is quite cheap, not bad on a monthly basis to keep farming.

imo not a viable approach in whatever way

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MAC address is another identifier and proably what he was trying to identify. But you dont need multiple cards as the burned in MAC address is put into a regkey which you can change at will. So no new cards needed.

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Originally by: Cruthensis

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Originally by: DeathMan

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The whole EVE economy would crash nearly instantly if you eliminated Macro'ers.

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Corps would adapt and fill the niches. Mining low-end minerals would be a worthwhile business for real players.

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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto

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It's not that they can't stop them from getting into the game. CCP wants their money, chinese farmbots net ccp millions upon millions each year; at this time they are at least 1/3 of the playerbase. It's insane.

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Originally by: Armoured C

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why dont you just steal what inside there can, if they are robots then they wont know @.@ and plus your making some free goodies on the way until they notice then once they do pump up those disco lights

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Originally by: Christari Zuborov

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Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 18/12/2007 19:15:52
Pilots must be in a corp to fly an industrial ship.
You cannot leave a corp unless you are docked.
7 day cool down timer to join another corp after leaving original corp.

Very easy to fix.

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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Hah! Vengeance is sweet!

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Originally by: Dirk Magnum

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There is no way to solve the problem of macros and farmers by taking out the people doing those activities. They will be replaced by others (or just get on a new trial account themselves.)

The real jackasses are the regular players who continue to purchase isk or farmed goods for real money. CCP should secretly open a bunch of isk-selling websites and then permanently ban the account of whoever's credit card gets used to try to buy anything from those sites. If nobody trusts isk-selling sites any more, that by itself will go a long way towards solving the farmer problem.

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Originally by: Cecil Montague

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They should change that warning on entering low sec to:

"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."

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Originally by: ZerKar

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There are ways to tell a Macroer.

I have a few in my home system as well. Likewise the are on ALL the time. I watch their movements. They sit at a Station for a long time then finally warp to a belt. They begin mining in their Hulk. I can bump them away from their roid. If I do they auto select another close Roid. If that gets bumped away and they have no more roids to eat they just sit there for a few moments then warp to another belt. They hit the exact same spots in the belts every time, mine everything they can, just going back and forth from the station to our home system belts all day long. You can Convo them, nothing, you can talk to them in Local, Nothing, you can Target Lock them, Nothing. No response at ALL. Been in a Newb Corp all their life with an Industrail Background and hardly any Ratting experience. Honestly, I would wonder how they even afforded their Hulk and Strippers.

I think it is easier to tell a Macroer than some people think and most people would respond if accused of being one.

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Originally by: Balevian

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It's not difficult to see who is a macro, they are on line 23 hours a day, thy never move back to the Stations except for a controller hauler, they never say anything in local.

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Originally by: Barthezz

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Originally by: Balevian

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It's not difficult to see who is a macro, they are on line 23 hours a day, thy never move back to the Stations except for a controller hauler, they never say anything in local.

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Two questions:

1) How do you know that their online 23/7 ?
2) Why is someone that never says anything a macro?

I dont respond to anything in local either, heck 9 out of 10 times I dont even look at local. At least not when I'm mining (when I pvp I tend to watch local like a hawk, unless there's pretty women on tv )

And there are plenty of people online before I come online and are still online after I log off and I'm sure their not macro's as I PVP with them

However, because their online before and after me doesnt mean their online 23/7.

Now I'm not saying macro's dont exist, nor am I not saying its not a problem. However saying stuff without proof is too easy.

I'm also pretty sure that CCP regularly checks accounts that are online 23/7 day after day, week after week.

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Originally by: Death Kill

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Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.

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Originally by: Balevian

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As I stated before though, If they cannot stop macros getting in game, Then make it harder to mine ice with nastier Rats that can destroy Mackinaws.

Any player who has a mackinaw should also be able to defend themselves. or atleast 1 person if in a gang.

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Originally by: Dristra

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...make mining sort of interactive, so that your personal skill in some mining-mini-game will affect your yeild, this way it is harder, but in a good way!

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Originally by: Forando

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Originally by: Dristra

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...make mining sort of interactive, so that your personal skill in some mining-mini-game will affect your yeild, this way it is harder, but in a good way!

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This could be fun and a nice change. I remember playing Saga of Ryzom for a while. The way you gathered resources was more involving, as you could stress the process perhaps get lucky or get blown up, or you could be gentle. Basically, try to extract materials with better quality. It was a bit more advanced than that, but generally was a little game in itself to gather materials, where you had to react to how the node was reacting. Was fun!

Might deserve a topic on it's own though, as I guess it not directly about macroing.

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Originally by: Michael McNeil

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Originally by: Forando

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Originally by: Dristra

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...make mining sort of interactive, so that your personal skill in some mining-mini-game will affect your yeild, this way it is harder, but in a good way!

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This could be fun and a nice change. I remember playing Saga of Ryzom for a while. The way you gathered resources was more involving, as you could stress the process perhaps get lucky or get blown up, or you could be gentle. Basically, try to extract materials with better quality. It was a bit more advanced than that, but generally was a little game in itself to gather materials, where you had to react to how the node was reacting. Was fun!

Might deserve a topic on it's own though, as I guess it not directly about macroing.

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i like it... atlest lets try it for a test run. but dont allow a person to afk this other wise macros will be able to do it.

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Originally by: Khald

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i like it... atlest lets try it for a test run. but dont allow a person to afk this other wise macros will be able to do it.

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Macroers use AI software all this will do is get them better yields.

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Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...

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