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SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Deathwatch Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.18 20:05:00 - [1] Right now. We have a black ops ship class that is pre-nerfed. this is horrible for market, (no one wants them) and the players that spend nearly forever training for them. I know personally i couldnt wait to get into one, after hearing the different arguments reguarding them (Cargo Room, Covert ops cloaking devices would make them over powered, Jump Range), i have come to a few compamises. here are my proposals: 1. Increase Jump Range, 4 LY's isnt cutting it, try 5.5 or 6, that would be perfect. 2. Cargo Bay Fuel. what the heck, it costs 25 units of ozone to open a cyno, if you train for the black ops properly... Covert Cyno's cost 50 units flat. with the cyno skill trained to 5 (the pre req for the covert generator) it costs only 25 units, that is nothing... my Falcon can launch 10 cyno's with 80 units per cyno. so the cargo is perfect. 3. Covert ops Cloaking devices. every one is worried that it will make the Black Ops Solo Pwn Mobiles. well since we are required atm to use Improved Cloaking devices. i believe that we should just take the damage bounus's away and making it a bigger Recon, giving it more EW bounus's. making the black ops available to do its true purpose. Purpose: get into hostile territory, move around stealthfully. Scenario: reach hostile territory, (possibly jump friendly recons in to help out), warp around, collect intel, if found can use EW to get away, cloak, and resume. make BM's for future fleet battles, gather more intel, get active and inactive times, and them have a friendly black ops pilot open a cyno near by. jump out and give the intel out to FCs, commence attack at leasure. that is, in my head, the true purpose of a black ops, why can't that be a reality. I think ccp should reconsider the bounus's Please think of this, and post other ideas, related please, Thank you for your time Reguards SoulofAnnihilation SoulOfAnnihilation D3ATHWATCH INC. American Timezone PvP Director "åill D3ATH Do Us Parå"
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Deathwatch Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.18 21:27:00 - [2] actually, thats not a bad idea, since in refferance to the recons, the force recons (cloaking enabled) get a reduction in fire power, (less launcher slots). Very good idea bro. that could help balance it out! SoulOfAnnihilation D3ATHWATCH INC. American Timezone PvP Director "åill D3ATH Do Us Parå"
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Deathwatch Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.19 00:50:00 - [3] That is what i see it as. a ship that DOES infact stand as a flag ship for Recon Gangs, but it should be able to move with them, not just sit idle at one point in the system, and with the soon to come ability to find the prototype and improved cloaks with scan probes makes the 1 billion isk ship worthless if it cant stay conceled. it should be able to fly around the system while cloaked just like its counter parts (force recons). and with the fuel cost to jump makes it only able to jump maybe one time or 2 times. so you cant really penetrate hostile territory that well. just my 100 dollars SoulOfAnnihilation D3ATHWATCH INC. American Timezone PvP Director "åill D3ATH Do Us Parå"
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Deathwatch Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.19 20:01:00 - [4] I agree, they arent ment to "fight". i mean come on, look at the name, Black Ops, it means, covert, stealth, ect. these are the things that it needs to represent. its not like a sniper with a gili suit only puts the suit on when he is sitting still... he puts it on and MOVES with it, around the WHOLE battlefield, not just the street he is on... seriously... SoulOfAnnihilation D3ATHWATCH INC. American Timezone PvP Director "åill D3ATH Do Us Parå"
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Deathwatch Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.22 22:50:00 - [5] Bump SoulOfAnnihilation D3ATHWATCH INC. American Timezone PvP Director "åill D3ATH Do Us Parå"
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Deathwatch Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.24 10:11:00 - [6] Bumpage SoulOfAnnihilation D3ATHWATCH INC. American Timezone PvP Director "åill D3ATH Do Us Parå"
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Deathwatch Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.27 07:19:00 - [7] Personally i would reccomend NOT going with the damage bounus'. and give it either EW or Jump Drive stuff. and the damage revoktion, was because of ppl saying that if it was cloaked and COULD warp, that it woudl be too powerful. so hence the NO damage bounus. But.... That's just me. SoulOfAnnihilation D3ATHWATCH INC. American Timezone PvP Director "åill D3ATH Do Us Parå"
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Deathwatch Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.30 02:08:00 - [8] Bump SoulOfAnnihilation D3ATHWATCH INC. American Timezone PvP Director "åill D3ATH Do Us Parå"
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Deathwatch Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.31 19:42:00 - [9] Bump SoulOfAnnihilation D3ATHWATCH INC. American Timezone PvP Director "åill D3ATH Do Us Parå"
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Deathwatch Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.04 00:21:00 - [10] Edited by: SoulOfAnnihilation on 04/01/2008 00:21:21 Originally by: Saladin Edited by: Saladin on 02/01/2008 16:52:33 1. Increase jump range: It needs a slight increase. The suggested 5.5 to 6ly base range is too much. change it to 3.5ly to make it on par with titans. Well i was speaking more so, the 5.5 LY would be the Black Ops Skill to lvl IV or Battleship skill to lvl V. not as a base. would be skilled out with calibration to lvl IV or so. along those lines. Other than that, great job guys. awsome ideas, hopefully CCP reads these!! =D SoulOfAnnihilation D3ATHWATCH INC. American Timezone PvP Director "åill D3ATH Do Us Parå"
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Deathwatch Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.13 03:24:00 - [11] bump SoulOfAnnihilation D3ATHWATCH INC. American Timezone PvP Director "åill D3ATH Do Us Parå"
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Deathwatch Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.18 10:20:00 - [12] Bumpity SoulOfAnnihilation D3ATHWATCH INC. American Timezone PvP Director "åill D3ATH Do Us Parå"
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Deathwatch Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.21 07:50:00 - [13] Bump SoulOfAnnihilation D3ATHWATCH INC. American Timezone PvP Director "åill D3ATH Do Us Parå"
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Deathwatch Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.26 10:57:00 - [14] bumpity bump bump, bumpity bump bump, bumpity bump bump, bumpity bump bump, bumpity bump bump, bumpity bump bump! SoulOfAnnihilation D3ATHWATCH INC. American Timezone PvP Director "åill D3ATH Do Us Parå"
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Deathwatch Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.29 04:41:00 - [15] Bump SoulOfAnnihilation D3ATHWATCH INC. American Timezone PvP Director "åill D3ATH Do Us Parå"
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SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.09 08:24:00 - [17] Bump SoulOfAnnihilation Four Rings PvP Wing PA FC
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SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.01 14:39:00 - [21] i think that they could at least extend the range of the jump portals, imo, they are too short. SoulOfAnnihilation Four Rings PvP Wing PA FC
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SoulOfAnnihilation Heretic Army DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Damien Arcuri Someone on the interviews for this tourney said they were looking at making a battleship-hull flagship. I think the blackops BS might be modified to fill that role: 1. Change the name to something like "covert fleet command." 2. Reduce turret/missile slots by 1, and take away turret/launcher/drone related bonuses, to nerf damage output. 3. Give them command bonuses, and let them use 3 warfare links by default. ... and the main suggestions in this thread... 4. Let them use covops cloaks. 5. Give them a large fuel bay or a fuel reduction bonus, and a jump range boost. I think with changes like that, people would give up on gank-fitting them, and fit them more like command ships. They'd be somewhere between a command ship and a carrier, except focusing on stealth and logistics rather than having BS-class damage. If blackops ships could fight effectively, jump small gangs, and use covops cloaks, they might be overpowered no matter how much effort is put into balancing them. Nerfing their damage while providing real stealth and allowing them to effectively jump and command a small gang might be a good niche for them to fill. I like that idea requarding Warfare Links, with no dps.
SoulOfAnnihilation Heretic Army DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.03.16 16:29:00 - [24] bump
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SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.04.19 05:26:00 - [28] bump
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.04.21 19:20:00 - [29] /bump
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.04.28 16:22:00 - [30] Personally, i think that Black Ops aren't ment to move around by them selves as the only Black ops in a fleet. Then it makes them more viable, in a group of 2 (minium) to 3. Also this decreases the amount of Fuel for the bridge, as a BO will inherently provide the fuel, in, and the other, the fuel out. or split the fuel req's 50/50, half the recons go through one, the other through the other. but great ideas guys, thanks for replying!! /Signed, (again)
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.04.30 19:10:00 - [31] bump
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:51:00 - [32] /bump
SoulOfAnnihilation 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.25 07:55:00 - [33] /bump
SoulOfAnnihilation 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.28 08:44:00 - [34] /bump
SoulOfAnnihilation 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.10 21:43:00 - [35] /bump Any more Ideas? i personally think the thread has gone very well. but just imo.
SoulOfAnnihilation 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.22 07:37:00 - [36] They just think that its not a big factor of the eve universe at the moment imo.
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.23 07:53:00 - [37] /Bump
SoulOfAnnihilation Amarr 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.08.04 01:56:00 - [38] Bump

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