Originally by: Virgil Aquilis

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Payday is really a pretty hilarious operation name if you think about it.

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Originally by: Larry Wong

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sorry i'm going to see that will smith movie about vampires and it's probably based very very loosely on a twilight zone episode but i'm gonna see it anyway

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Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd

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Originally by: Larry Wong

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sorry i'm going to see that will smith movie about vampires and it's probably based very very loosely on a twilight zone episode but i'm gonna see it anyway

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It's actually based on a pretty decently scary/freeky book (or at least it was when I read it as a youngin).

I'm afraid it isn't a very Christian subject matter though, and therefor not appropriate to the season.

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Originally by: Larry Wong

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did you guys hear that

i think MC just shat out 45 t2 large bubbles on gates

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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Criticize us all you want BoB, at least we've never had an alliance mail telling us to nano our ships "out the wazzoo".

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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Criticize us all you want BoB, at least we've never had an alliance mail telling us to nano our ships "out the wazzoo".

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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Criticize us all you want BoB, at least we've never had an alliance mail telling us to nano our ships "out the wazzoo".

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Originally by: Kyoi

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The first rule of Pandemic Legion is you must Polycarb every ship

The second rule of Pandemic Legion is you must fit an MWD on every ship

The third rule of Pandemic Legion is every ship must have Overdrive Injector II's

The fourth rule of Pandemic Legion is to pretend you are not a nanofag

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Originally by: Rhionni

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LOL, BoB only has 5 titans? wow! That hit on their ill-gotten T2 monopoly must have really hurt their industrialists.

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Originally by: CobraBytez

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Edited by: CobraBytez on 20/12/2007 03:57:13
Edited by: CobraBytez on 20/12/2007 03:56:55
Thursday 20th December - Operation [PAYDAY]

Primary regroup; 2000; PR-, Delve

Right boys and girls. At 2000 and onwards, on thursday, you will be in the following;

1. Dreadnaughts
2. Carriers/Mommas
3. Battleships [fleetfitted]
4. Dictors [with cloaks]
5. Covert ops
6. Command ships with gangmods
7. HAC's, nanoed up the wazzoo

If you own a dread, you are in it, if you own a carrier, you are in it. The priority order is not a joke, those are the ships you should fly, and nothing else.

Pack full cargo with ammo, expect lots of fights. Capitals will require 21000 isotopes. Make sure to get fuel WAY before ops, becasue at 2000, we roll.

This operation will extend into 3 days. US regroups, aussie regroups, comes after the primary first regroup.

All titans are on call, all five of us.

I could probably blurt 50 more lines about WHY this is important that you should be there, but I wont.

It's payday

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Originally by: Liucinda

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you really think they dont know forum is full of spies? omg you all idiot

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Originally by: CobraBytez

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All titans are on call, all five of us.

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Originally by: Slayton Ford

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Originally by: CobraBytez

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All titans are on call, all five of us.

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Ok, who are the five titans for the Coalition? Evil Thug, 2 RA, and who else?

Or do Goons have a titan finally and have named it e-pen.

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Originally by: Potato Judge

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Edited by: Potato Judge on 20/12/2007 05:56:17
larry wong 4 ceo

edit: ~*fart*~

-pootato fudge

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Originally by: Zenst

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cute, but I have one question. When the biggest alliance ingame has to call for numbers you know the only thing that will die is the node.

TIMETABLE:

20:00 Takes 10 mins to get into system
20:15 Reports of disconnects
20:30 More reports of disconnects and still entering system
20:40 Reports of a dead capital that wa sjoing the party but getting ganked and only just reporting it and why wernt you psycic and helping me
21:00 TS/VENT crash's and takes 5 mins to restart - clearing out idlers so all well
21:10 Stuck petition answeared - moved to nearby system
21:20 One goon accidentely moved to NOL thru stuck petition and now inside NOl station laughing his ass off
21:40 Somebody loads
22:00 Casualties currently 1 capital - couple of scouts, one node and a beaten up forum

I hope I'm wrong and you folks get a good fight, but you know how it works and I urge you to stage multiple regroups and stagger them or you will lose alot of support.

Either way I look forward to the outcome either way.

good luck.

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Originally by: KingB

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omg i will kill myself if I read another stupid goon thread, ccp please do something out this for the love of god!

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Originally by: neusa

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u got the sicrit, i think bob will run like hell , lol

Even with your spy with yout intel there u still have the pleasure to die like beezzzzz

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Originally by: HotSeat

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WOW all that just to finish off my small POS !

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Originally by: Phoenicia

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That's what they WANT you to think! A cunning plan!

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Originally by: Louis Lane

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Originally by: neusa

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u got the sicrit, i think bob will run like hell , lol

Even with your spy with yout intel there u still have the pleasure to die like beezzzzz

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i think kia and mc will kick the living hay out of bob.

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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Criticize us all you want BoB, at least we've never had an alliance mail telling us to nano our ships "out the wazzoo".

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Originally by: Plutoinum

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Edited by: Plutoinum on 20/12/2007 13:20:38
Just wondering, how many caps die, if BoB and MC&Co crash into eachother and bring everything. If the server survives long enough, like is still alive after they released the fighters (rofl), it could become the most 'expensive' battle in eve history.

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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'if' they get a fight, mc will prob come away with the bloody nose. I think their 'conquering' of the north has given them false confidence. Not one of the northern alliances they 'crushed' were competent.

Mitch

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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'if' they get a fight, mc will prob come away with the bloody nose. I think their 'conquering' of the north has given them false confidence. Not one of the northern alliances they 'crushed' were competent.

Mitch

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Originally by: Rachel Vend

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... with 100% reliability in most cases ...

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Originally by: Don Z0LA

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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'if' they get a fight, mc will prob come away with the bloody nose. I think their 'conquering' of the north has given them false confidence. Not one of the northern alliances they 'crushed' were competent.

Mitch

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completely different from Xelas which was too much competent and thats why they had to go. Bob just couldnt stand someone better then them around. Get real, you are not in position (you are not competent) to comment anyones alliance after being one of leading roles in Xelas...

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Originally by: KingB

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omg i will kill myself if I read another stupid goon thread, ccp please do something out this for the love of god!

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Originally by: Pesadel0

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Originally by: Don Z0LA

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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'if' they get a fight, mc will prob come away with the bloody nose. I think their 'conquering' of the north has given them false confidence. Not one of the northern alliances they 'crushed' were competent.

Mitch

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completely different from Xelas which was too much competent and thats why they had to go. Bob just couldnt stand someone better then them around. Get real, you are not in position (you are not competent) to comment anyones alliance after being one of leading roles in Xelas...

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If mitch is a little biased so are you zola,and what alliances were you in charge to call him uninformed?What alliances did you form,build and destroyed in the present ?

If anything if bob goes to PB the servers are going to suffer badlly and noone will get a good figth.

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Originally by: Jallem Sims

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Originally by: Zenst

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cute, but I have one question. When the biggest alliance ingame has to call for numbers you know the only thing that will die is the node.

TIMETABLE:

20:00 Takes 10 mins to get into system
20:15 Reports of disconnects
20:30 More reports of disconnects and still entering system
20:40 Reports of a dead capital that wa sjoing the party but getting ganked and only just reporting it and why wernt you psycic and helping me
21:00 TS/VENT crash's and takes 5 mins to restart - clearing out idlers so all well
21:10 Stuck petition answeared - moved to nearby system
21:20 One goon accidentely moved to NOL thru stuck petition and now inside NOl station laughing his ass off
21:40 Somebody loads
22:00 Casualties currently 1 capital - couple of scouts, one node and a beaten up forum

I hope I'm wrong and you folks get a good fight, but you know how it works and I urge you to stage multiple regroups and stagger them or you will lose alot of support.

Either way I look forward to the outcome either way.

good luck.

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its like you have played this game before!! Right, time to get my T1 Frig, with T1 fittings (the ones dropped by the rats) and add to the lag fest that will be Delve in the next 3 days!

Anyway, i hear all bob are doing is sitting at snipe range with 200 BS in a I-WIN gate camp.....

so lets just put a small insert

20:00 - Hold on gate...... (by this time building up an equal size force, all the time waiting all the time size grows)
20:45 - Directors/VIPS/CEO/FC/FA/Alliance Leaders/all all those that think they are important discuss tactics
21:45 - 'We going to jump in soon boys'
23:40 - Europe start logging due to time zone
03:00 - 'we don't have the numbers guys' - Bob Primtime

//New Day//

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Originally by: Don Z0LA

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words

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Originally by: Franga

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Sorry, that was very personal

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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Originally by: Don Z0LA

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words

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xelas died a long time after dark moved on and the alliance that died was something quite different to the one we left.

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Originally by: Don Z0LA

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Originally by: Pesadel0

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Originally by: Don Z0LA

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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'if' they get a fight, mc will prob come away with the bloody nose. I think their 'conquering' of the north has given them false confidence. Not one of the northern alliances they 'crushed' were competent.

Mitch

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completely different from Xelas which was too much competent and thats why they had to go. Bob just couldnt stand someone better then them around. Get real, you are not in position (you are not competent) to comment anyones alliance after being one of leading roles in Xelas...

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If mitch is a little biased so are you zola,and what alliances were you in charge to call him uninformed?What alliances did you form,build and destroyed in the present ?

If anything if bob goes to PB the servers are going to suffer badlly and noone will get a good figth.

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Hi. I was in charge of FA on peak of its power, when it was strongest alliance. not solo in charge ofc but member of HQ. I (we) literally killed CFS. they are only alliance they was really killed in less then a month or so, all others slowly died affected by many factors and in longer time, while CFS was raped. Also had plenty of wars with others before i quit alliance stuff. Even now when im long time "officially" gone from eve politics im pretty sure i have more influence on it then Xelas had ever. warning epeening incoming - im known by many people in this game, be it pirates, alliance guys, industrialists etc, i have friends in plenty alliances and alts in even more. therefore young padawan, inform yourself before going to blindly defend someone ;).

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Originally by: Pesadel0

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Originally by: Don Z0LA

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Originally by: Pesadel0

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Originally by: Don Z0LA

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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'if' they get a fight, mc will prob come away with the bloody nose. I think their 'conquering' of the north has given them false confidence. Not one of the northern alliances they 'crushed' were competent.

Mitch

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completely different from Xelas which was too much competent and thats why they had to go. Bob just couldnt stand someone better then them around. Get real, you are not in position (you are not competent) to comment anyones alliance after being one of leading roles in Xelas...

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If mitch is a little biased so are you zola,and what alliances were you in charge to call him uninformed?What alliances did you form,build and destroyed in the present ?

If anything if bob goes to PB the servers are going to suffer badlly and noone will get a good figth.

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Hi. I was in charge of FA on peak of its power, when it was strongest alliance. not solo in charge ofc but member of HQ. I (we) literally killed CFS. they are only alliance they was really killed in less then a month or so, all others slowly died affected by many factors and in longer time, while CFS was raped. Also had plenty of wars with others before i quit alliance stuff. Even now when im long time "officially" gone from eve politics im pretty sure i have more influence on it then Xelas had ever. warning epeening incoming - im known by many people in this game, be it pirates, alliance guys, industrialists etc, i have friends in plenty alliances and alts in even more. therefore young padawan, inform yourself before going to blindly defend someone ;).

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I wasn¦t impliyng anything mate,if you were in the HQ of FA more a reason for you to watch this as an alliance leader ,not as "hey mitch you leaft youralliance and gone to bob" .

Werent FA killed by BoB?So are you saying that because mitch was in a now defunct alliance namelly xelas he shoulnd¦t say HIS opinion because xelas as an alliance was a failure,doenst that make FA and your opinion the same as mitch ?

To make myself clear i was too in fountain in xelas when we were fithing celes/FA/VC and we were complettly hammered and utter *** in fleet battles but we had fun,won some lost everything else but nobody gived a ***.i didn¦t reconised this xelas as my own but to their own their own i guess,we staied there when FA/VC left doesnt that make us the winners?I don¦t think so but hell that would make another forum war.

Are you saying that D2 were a competent PVP force?Etc?That was what mitch said.And i agree with him ,they could have fougth like lions insteed they foldead from within ,their choise their game don¦t give a *derek*,but they werent a PVP alliance that is for sure like xelas wasnt.

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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'if' they get a fight, mc will prob come away with the bloody nose. I think their 'conquering' of the north has given them false confidence. Not one of the northern alliances they 'crushed' were competent.

Mitch

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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'if' they get a fight, mc will prob come away with the bloody nose. I think their 'conquering' of the north has given them false confidence. Not one of the northern alliances they 'crushed' were competent.

Mitch

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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Originally by: Don Z0LA

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words

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xelas died a long time after dark moved on and the alliance that died was something quite different to the one we left.

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Originally by: Orree

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Edited by: Orree on 20/12/2007 17:02:46

Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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Originally by: Don Z0LA

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words

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xelas died a long time after dark moved on and the alliance that died was something quite different to the one we left.

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I disagree. It died the same way it was always going to die...when BoB support was removed.


...and Fallen Souls just...died...

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Originally by: Orree

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...and Fallen Souls just...died...

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Originally by: Riddlock

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All i hope is good fights , good fights that other certain enemies that are spamming CAOD are not able to give us.

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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'if' they get a fight, mc will prob come away with the bloody nose. I think their 'conquering' of the north has given them false confidence. Not one of the northern alliances they 'crushed' were competent.

Mitch

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 20/12/2007 17:20:36

Originally by: Orree

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...and Fallen Souls just...died...

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Hi Oree,

My statement is based on the way MC moved through D2, IRON RZR during their push into the north. It is well documented that they did not defend competently against the hostiles attacking them.

It may have been quite different in the field but from an observers viewpoint they did appear to be slightly 'steamrolled'. So to my point, I think most of the eve community would agree that BOB even in its current situation is quite a lot more competent than the hostiles MC previously faced.

Personally I have worked with both BOB and MC and have people I would call friends in both. Should be interesting to see how this plays out, but as my post suggests my moneys on BOB.

As a leader that has tried to achieve something am I now not allowed to post my comments on the forums, or is that priveledge reserved for players that have never risked anything?

Your a good leader and have a successful alliance, dont let your positive view of Seleene and MC affect your view of my comments. Im sure he would not be offended by what I write, therefore neither should you.

Mitch

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Originally by: DaiTengu

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Originally by: Riddlock

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All i hope is good fights , good fights that other certain enemies that are spamming CAOD are not able to give us.

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Why don't you exploit and bubble inside a POS so you can't be engaged about it?

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Originally by: Riddlock

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All i hope is good fights , good fights that other certain enemies that are spamming CAOD are not able to give us.

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Originally by: zkpqwsd

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 20/12/2007 17:20:36

Originally by: Orree

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...and Fallen Souls just...died...

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Hi Oree,

My statement is based on the way MC moved through D2, IRON RZR during their push into the north. It is well documented that they did not defend competently against the hostiles attacking them.

It may have been quite different in the field but from an observers viewpoint they did appear to be slightly 'steamrolled'. So to my point, I think most of the eve community would agree that BOB even in its current situation is quite a lot more competent than the hostiles MC previously faced.

Personally I have worked with both BOB and MC and have people I would call friends in both. Should be interesting to see how this plays out, but as my post suggests my moneys on BOB.

As a leader that has tried to achieve something am I now not allowed to post my comments on the forums, or is that priveledge reserved for players that have never risked anything?

Your a good leader and have a successful alliance, dont let your positive view of Seleene and MC affect your view of my comments. Im sure he would not be offended by what I write, therefore neither should you.

Mitch

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God plz be quite muppet.

1. A leader is not some1 ***** dear.

2. A leader doesnt leave and join BOB if things are bad in his corp.

3. You are delusional and for the love of god stop leading any1 anymore, I feel quite sorry for them allrdy you tryed you were incompetent face the facts dear.

So plz stop posting becuase you are **** and useless and you only sound foolish whne you come here and looks like you are some1.

Regards Lunas

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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Originally by: Orree

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Edited by: Orree on 20/12/2007 17:02:46

Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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Originally by: Don Z0LA

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words

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xelas died a long time after dark moved on and the alliance that died was something quite different to the one we left.

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I disagree. It died the same way it was always going to die...when BoB support was removed.


...and Fallen Souls just...died...

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Hi Oree,

My statement is based on the way MC moved through D2, IRON RZR during their push into the north. It is well documented that they did not defend competently against the hostiles attacking them.

It may have been quite different in the field but from an observers viewpoint they did appear to be slightly 'steamrolled'. So to my point, I think most of the eve community would agree that BOB even in its current situation is quite a lot more competent than the hostiles MC previously faced.

Personally I have worked with both BOB and MC and have people I would call friends in both. Should be interesting to see how this plays out, but as my post suggests my moneys on BOB.

As a leader that has tried to achieve something am I now not allowed to post my comments on the forums, or is that priveledge reserved for players that have never risked anything?

Your a good leader and have a successful alliance, dont let your positive view of Seleene and MC affect your view of my comments. Im sure he would not be offended by what I write, therefore neither should you.

Mitch

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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Originally by: zkpqwsd

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 20/12/2007 17:20:36

Originally by: Orree

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...and Fallen Souls just...died...

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Hi Oree,

My statement is based on the way MC moved through D2, IRON RZR during their push into the north. It is well documented that they did not defend competently against the hostiles attacking them.

It may have been quite different in the field but from an observers viewpoint they did appear to be slightly 'steamrolled'. So to my point, I think most of the eve community would agree that BOB even in its current situation is quite a lot more competent than the hostiles MC previously faced.

Personally I have worked with both BOB and MC and have people I would call friends in both. Should be interesting to see how this plays out, but as my post suggests my moneys on BOB.

As a leader that has tried to achieve something am I now not allowed to post my comments on the forums, or is that priveledge reserved for players that have never risked anything?

Your a good leader and have a successful alliance, dont let your positive view of Seleene and MC affect your view of my comments. Im sure he would not be offended by what I write, therefore neither should you.

Mitch

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God plz be quite muppet.

1. A leader is not some1 ***** dear.

2. A leader doesnt leave and join BOB if things are bad in his corp.

3. You are delusional and for the love of god stop leading any1 anymore, I feel quite sorry for them allrdy you tryed you were incompetent face the facts dear.

So plz stop posting becuase you are **** and useless and you only sound foolish whne you come here and looks like you are some1.

Regards Lunas

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lunas, your anti-emo pills are not working dear.

Mitch

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Originally by: Orree

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Thanks and you're absolutely right. I have no problem with any of that. I have heard that you're a great guy and a good fleet commander. That is how I view you.

My problem is your conveniently leaving out the fact that alliances in which you have been a part of the leadership (if not the founding leader) have been every bit as pathetic, if not more so. I think "most of the EVE community would agree."

It seems to me that given this fact, it's probably best for you to not comment on the competency of others. That's just me, though. I can see it's different for you.

Naturally, since pointing these things out yourself doesn't really aid whatever position you're attempting to espouse, I'm just doing my part to help you out.

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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Originally by: Orree

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Thanks and you're absolutely right. I have no problem with any of that. I have heard that you're a great guy and a good fleet commander. That is how I view you.

My problem is your conveniently leaving out the fact that alliances in which you have been a part of the leadership (if not the founding leader) have been every bit as pathetic, if not more so. I think "most of the EVE community would agree."

It seems to me that given this fact, it's probably best for you to not comment on the competency of others. That's just me, though. I can see it's different for you.

Naturally, since pointing these things out yourself doesn't really aid whatever position you're attempting to espouse, I'm just doing my part to help you out.

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Agreed, this post is about the current drama fest that is MC vs BOB tho, I suppose I could work some kind of disclaimer re: my own failings into my sig tho ;P

Lets hug and be done with it :)

Mitch

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Originally by: DaiTengu

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Originally by: Riddlock

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All i hope is good fights , good fights that other certain enemies that are spamming CAOD are not able to give us.

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Why don't you exploit and bubble inside a POS so you can't be engaged about it?

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Originally by: zkpqwsd

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PS. I might be emo but atleast i just state the blooddy facts in a prober and respectfull way

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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Originally by: zkpqwsd

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PS. I might be emo but atleast i just state the blooddy facts in a prober and respectfull way

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Dont worry about all that, tend to your own thread the goons appear to be plopping all over it.

Mitch

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Originally by: neusa

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This "intel" was placed here to justify how sad is to be a goon , to make MC and Co. a notice on whats happening :)

Goons u still doing forum w**ring. But this message show to us all "How strong u are" :)
PS: Thinking of placing bob's mail in here MC will read in here what are the plans. :)
This is a big lmfo. :)

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Originally by: New ones

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Local in tpar is now @ 270,
Gm's have LOCKED down the system, so pepole cant logg in or jump in.
this is some kinda new "feature"

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Originally by: zkpqwsd

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Originally by: Riddlock

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All i hope is good fights , good fights that other certain enemies that are spamming CAOD are not able to give us.

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preatty funny comming from an ASCN muppet

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Originally by: TWD

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I've got a party going in my head.

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Originally by: New ones

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Local in tpar is now @ 270,
Gm's have LOCKED down the system, so pepole cant logg in or jump in.
this is some kinda new "feature"

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Originally by: Orree

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Originally by: TWD

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I've got a party going in my head.

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What has the DJ got spinning at the mo'?

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Originally by: Riddlock

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Originally by: zkpqwsd

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Originally by: Riddlock

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All i hope is good fights , good fights that other certain enemies that are spamming CAOD are not able to give us.

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preatty funny comming from an ASCN muppet

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You sound bitter, did i yell at you or anything like that ? If so , sorry , wont do it again !

/emote get in christmas mood

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Originally by: Ur235

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Originally by: New ones

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Local in tpar is now @ 270,
Gm's have LOCKED down the system, so pepole cant logg in or jump in.
this is some kinda new "feature"

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Typically the GM's are interfering with the battles of the players again. sucks tbh they ahve no right to interfear with our battls

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Originally by: Zenst

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Originally by: Ur235

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Originally by: New ones

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Local in tpar is now @ 270,
Gm's have LOCKED down the system, so pepole cant logg in or jump in.
this is some kinda new "feature"

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Typically the GM's are interfering with the battles of the players again. sucks tbh they ahve no right to interfear with our battls

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LOL, when you preannounce a huge fleet fight and they make sure the nodes are playable, people moan. When you get a laggy fleet fight with lots in local and people unable to enter the system and node good as dead to all even ingame, you cry for a GM to sort it. Nodes have there finite limits by design and all a GM could possibly do is to limit the numbers like a tap and prevent it overfilling.


That said, any updates on what transpired. Or do I now have to read 15 other threads taking the 13th posts from each and the last word from each to get any form of constructive statement of events.

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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Originally by: Franga

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Sorry, that was very personal

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Yes it was, also quite old. Perhaps I should create some new material for the trolls.

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Originally by: Rachel Vend

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... with 100% reliability in most cases ...

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Originally by: Riddlock

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All i hope is good fights , good fights that other certain enemies that are spamming CAOD are not able to give us.

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Originally by: Ur235

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Originally by: New ones

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Local in tpar is now @ 270,
Gm's have LOCKED down the system, so pepole cant logg in or jump in.
this is some kinda new "feature"

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Typically the GM's are interfering with the battles of the players again. sucks tbh they ahve no right to interfear with our battls

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Originally by: Don Z0LA

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Originally by: Pesadel0

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Originally by: Don Z0LA

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Originally by: Mitch Taylor

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'if' they get a fight, mc will prob come away with the bloody nose. I think their 'conquering' of the north has given them false confidence. Not one of the northern alliances they 'crushed' were competent.

Mitch

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completely different from Xelas which was too much competent and thats why they had to go. Bob just couldnt stand someone better then them around. Get real, you are not in position (you are not competent) to comment anyones alliance after being one of leading roles in Xelas...

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If mitch is a little biased so are you zola,and what alliances were you in charge to call him uninformed?What alliances did you form,build and destroyed in the present ?

If anything if bob goes to PB the servers are going to suffer badlly and noone will get a good figth.

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Hi. I was in charge of FA on peak of its power, when it was strongest alliance. not solo in charge ofc but member of HQ. I (we) literally killed CFS. they are only alliance they was really killed in less then a month or so, all others slowly died affected by many factors and in longer time, while CFS was raped. Also had plenty of wars with others before i quit alliance stuff. Even now when im long time "officially" gone from eve politics im pretty sure i have more influence on it then Xelas had ever. warning epeening incoming - im known by many people in this game, be it pirates, alliance guys, industrialists etc, i have friends in plenty alliances and alts in even more. therefore young padawan, inform yourself before going to blindly defend someone ;).

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Originally by: Marko Zhang

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metal guy when molle finds out your posting in caod instead of fighting
you're going to get a spanking.

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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The game mechanics are at fault. CCP needs to change its philosophy of how sovereignty is held, that's the only way.

I had an idea of special sovereignty POSes with generators powering them in neighboring systems, not the core system. In order to destroy a sovereignty POS, all generators would need to be held to 10%-20% armor, spreading out a fight to say, sovereignty 4 = 4 generators in 4 neighboring systems. This way the fights are spread out over multiple systems and there's no POS spamming going on all the time, because regular POSes do not hold sovereignty, only Special POSes do and only 1 can be placed in system at a time.

Something like that would change the game mechanics and possibly make this game more enjoyable, but at the very least it might make it playable. Until then, well, enjoy paying your subscription while CCP laughs at all of us all the way to the bank.

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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The game mechanics are at fault. CCP needs to change its philosophy of how sovereignty is held, that's the only way.

I had an idea of special sovereignty POSes with generators powering them in neighboring systems, not the core system. In order to destroy a sovereignty POS, all generators would need to be held to 10%-20% armor, spreading out a fight to say, sovereignty 4 = 4 generators in 4 neighboring systems. This way the fights are spread out over multiple systems and there's no POS spamming going on all the time, because regular POSes do not hold sovereignty, only Special POSes do and only 1 can be placed in system at a time.

Something like that would change the game mechanics and possibly make this game more enjoyable, but at the very least it might make it playable. Until then, well, enjoy paying your subscription while CCP laughs at all of us all the way to the bank.

'We see nothing in our logs....bla,bla,bla' You would think that after more then five years in business, CCP would create some kind of log program that would actually show them what the problems are. Quite pathetic, actually, that they can be in programming business and don't even recognize or have tools to analyze what are the problems within their own game. Sure does not make me think that they will solve anything any time soon.

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Originally by: Larry Wong

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sorry i'm going to see that will smith movie about vampires and it's probably based very very loosely on a twilight zone episode but i'm gonna see it anyway

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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Criticize us all you want BoB, at least we've never had an alliance mail telling us to nano our ships "out the wazzoo".

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Originally by: Darklin Eldaris

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Edited by: Darklin Eldaris on 21/12/2007 14:18:33

Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Criticize us all you want BoB, at least we've never had an alliance mail telling us to nano our ships "out the wazzoo".

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No, you guys had to settle for the: "Bring as many ships as you can, bring ibis's if you have to. Whatever it takes to lag out the system," alliance mail.

Pwned yourself in the face here.

I'll break it down for you.

List of alliances who do not have a high horse on which to sit and talk **** from:

#1 Goonswarm

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Originally by: Local Her0

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Originally by: Darklin Eldaris

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Edited by: Darklin Eldaris on 21/12/2007 14:18:33

Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Criticize us all you want BoB, at least we've never had an alliance mail telling us to nano our ships "out the wazzoo".

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No, you guys had to settle for the: "Bring as many ships as you can, bring ibis's if you have to. Whatever it takes to lag out the system," alliance mail.

Pwned yourself in the face here.

I'll break it down for you.

List of alliances who do not have a high horse on which to sit and talk **** from:

#1 Goonswarm

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how does it feel to lose so many regions to goonswarm?

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Originally by: Zell

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Originally by: Local Her0

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Originally by: Darklin Eldaris

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Edited by: Darklin Eldaris on 21/12/2007 14:18:33

Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Criticize us all you want BoB, at least we've never had an alliance mail telling us to nano our ships "out the wazzoo".

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No, you guys had to settle for the: "Bring as many ships as you can, bring ibis's if you have to. Whatever it takes to lag out the system," alliance mail.

Pwned yourself in the face here.

I'll break it down for you.

List of alliances who do not have a high horse on which to sit and talk **** from:

#1 Goonswarm

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how does it feel to lose so many regions to goonswarm?

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How does goonswarm feel to be the pet monkey boys of RA?

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Originally by: Ricdic

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Ezoran is a dirty troll.
Ezoran has been repoted to mods for trolling on this and many other threads
As trolling continues Ezoran will continue to be reported
If Ezoran persists then

Originally by: Darklin Eldaris

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Edited by: Darklin Eldaris on 21/12/2007 14:18:33

Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Criticize us all you want BoB, at least we've never had an alliance mail telling us to nano our ships "out the wazzoo".

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No, you guys had to settle for the: "Bring as many ships as you can, bring ibis's if you have to. Whatever it takes to lag out the system," alliance mail.

Pwned yourself in the face here.

I'll break it down for you.

List of alliances who do not have a high horse on which to sit and talk **** from:

#1 Goonswarm

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Originally by: Malcore Trisus

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Originally by: Kyoi

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The first rule of Pandemic Legion is you must Polycarb every ship

The second rule of Pandemic Legion is you must fit an MWD on every ship

The third rule of Pandemic Legion is every ship must have Overdrive Injector II's

The fourth rule of Pandemic Legion is to pretend you are not a nanofag

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Dont forget Istabs.

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Originally by: Zell

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How does goonswarm feel to be the pet monkey boys of RA?

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Originally by: Cvuos

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Someone should make a thread about reinforced nodes. I've never heard any official explanation about it and still believe it's a myth. CCP doesn't need to make any system in game handle that kind of load at any given time, but being able to selectively increase horsepower in a specific area with due warning (1 downtime in advance is no prob) from players would be fantastic.

No really big battles happen unannounced anyway.

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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Nothing, absolutely nothing will make this game playable when the design favors the blob. People will just keeping bringing more and more people, unless the designers discourage blobbing thru redesigning the game mechanics. Anyone thinking that better technology or reinforcing nodes or any other miracle to speed will change that is just fooling themselves. Then again, we are talking about CCP here. They donÆt see any problems in their logs. It must be all of our PCs.

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Originally by: shaerc

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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Nothing, absolutely nothing will make this game playable when the design favors the blob. People will just keeping bringing more and more people, unless the designers discourage blobbing thru redesigning the game mechanics. Anyone thinking that better technology or reinforcing nodes or any other miracle to speed will change that is just fooling themselves. Then again, we are talking about CCP here. They donÆt see any problems in their logs. It must be all of our PCs.

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Agreed.

One thing which has increased the blob factor a lot is Warp to 0.

It's now vastly both easier and quicker to move fleets around. It's extremely easy to move over several regions, with many alliances congregating to attack a target.

Obviously warp to 0 has upsides too, but its an example of how game mechanics can change alliances.

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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Edited by: Metal Dude on 22/12/2007 02:49:51

Originally by: Cvuos

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Someone should make a thread about reinforced nodes. I've never heard any official explanation about it and still believe it's a myth. CCP doesn't need to make any system in game handle that kind of load at any given time, but being able to selectively increase horsepower in a specific area with due warning (1 downtime in advance is no prob) from players would be fantastic.

No really big battles happen unannounced anyway.

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Nothing, absolutely nothing will make this game playable when the design favors the blob. People will just keep bringing more and more people, unless the designers discourage blobbing thru redesigning the game mechanics. Anyone thinking that better technology or reinforcing nodes or any other miracle to speed will change that is just fooling themselves. Then again, we are talking about CCP here. They donÆt see any problems in their logs. It must be all of our PCs.

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Originally by: Moon Kitten

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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Edited by: Metal Dude on 22/12/2007 02:49:51

Originally by: Cvuos

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Someone should make a thread about reinforced nodes. I've never heard any official explanation about it and still believe it's a myth. CCP doesn't need to make any system in game handle that kind of load at any given time, but being able to selectively increase horsepower in a specific area with due warning (1 downtime in advance is no prob) from players would be fantastic.

No really big battles happen unannounced anyway.

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Nothing, absolutely nothing will make this game playable when the design favors the blob. People will just keep bringing more and more people, unless the designers discourage blobbing thru redesigning the game mechanics. Anyone thinking that better technology or reinforcing nodes or any other miracle to speed will change that is just fooling themselves. Then again, we are talking about CCP here. They donÆt see any problems in their logs. It must be all of our PCs.

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How about a 1v1 duel for delve?

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Originally by: True Sebiestor

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Originally by: shaerc

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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Nothing, absolutely nothing will make this game playable when the design favors the blob. People will just keeping bringing more and more people, unless the designers discourage blobbing thru redesigning the game mechanics. Anyone thinking that better technology or reinforcing nodes or any other miracle to speed will change that is just fooling themselves. Then again, we are talking about CCP here. They donÆt see any problems in their logs. It must be all of our PCs.

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Agreed.

One thing which has increased the blob factor a lot is Warp to 0.

It's now vastly both easier and quicker to move fleets around. It's extremely easy to move over several regions, with many alliances congregating to attack a target.

Obviously warp to 0 has upsides too, but its an example of how game mechanics can change alliances.

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Are you prefer swarm of bookmarks ??

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