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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.12.20 20:25:00 -
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A 99% role reduction in CPU cost of drone control units and a 19.95%/level reduction in grid cost of drone control units. 
Just a thought. At max engineering and command ship and what not an eos could do a 2xMAR2 tank with 3 gang mods and 3 drone control units with some grid to spare.
I don't think this would be horribly overpowering since it'd be sacrificing its guns for extra drones which would not only further the "command" aspect by giving it more drones but also boost the drone boat aspect more than just an extra 75m3 of drone space does.
Besides that, with only 75m3 of drone bandwidth the ship'd toss out 7 mediums and 1 light drone with 3 DCUs. Not the most over-powering thing in the world but it could let the eos assign combat drones to one ship while using logistics drones to repair other ships or to just spread some EW love across a lot of ships at once.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.20 20:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Shereza
A 99% role reduction in CPU cost of drone control units and a 19.95%/level reduction in grid cost of drone control units.
Just a thought. At max engineering and command ship and what not an eos could do a 2xMAR2 tank with 3 gang mods and 3 drone control units with some grid to spare.
I don't think this would be horribly overpowering since it'd be sacrificing its guns for extra drones which would not only further the "command" aspect by giving it more drones but also boost the drone boat aspect more than just an extra 75m3 of drone space does.
Besides that, with only 75m3 of drone bandwidth the ship'd toss out 7 mediums and 1 light drone with 3 DCUs. Not the most over-powering thing in the world but it could let the eos assign combat drones to one ship while using logistics drones to repair other ships or to just spread some EW love across a lot of ships at once.
Lets also give my absolution capital pulse lasers.
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Antikas Sourr
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.20 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Antikas Sourr on 20/12/2007 20:51:04
Originally by: Shereza
A 99% role reduction in CPU cost of drone control units and a 19.95%/level reduction in grid cost of drone control units.
Just a thought. At max engineering and command ship and what not an eos could do a 2xMAR2 tank with 3 gang mods and 3 drone control units with some grid to spare.
I don't think this would be horribly overpowering since it'd be sacrificing its guns for extra drones which would not only further the "command" aspect by giving it more drones but also boost the drone boat aspect more than just an extra 75m3 of drone space does.
Besides that, with only 75m3 of drone bandwidth the ship'd toss out 7 mediums and 1 light drone with 3 DCUs. Not the most over-powering thing in the world but it could let the eos assign combat drones to one ship while using logistics drones to repair other ships or to just spread some EW love across a lot of ships at once.
I find this idea rather interesting, even if I never intend to poke an Eos with a stick. Would give this ship a more defined role anyways.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.12.20 20:50:00 -
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Why? Is the absolution supposed to be a short-range heavy-bombardment ship that fails at that role due to border-line to outright useless bonuses?
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.20 20:53:00 -
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triage module for my scimitar plz
- not that it could carry the required stronz, but hey...
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Rhadamantine
Game Community
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Posted - 2007.12.20 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Shereza
Good idea worth some thought.
Lets also give my absolution capital pulse lasers.
Did you even read the suggestion?
Regards.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.20 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 20/12/2007 21:04:23
Originally by: Rhadamantine
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Shereza
Good idea worth some thought.
Lets also give my absolution capital pulse lasers.
Did you even read the suggestion?
Yeah, Id also like to add capital weapons to all my broken amarr ships to solve the problem. Yeah I read the post and Im giving it as much thought as everyone else is giving thought about amarr problem solutions posted on the forums.
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Rhadamantine
Game Community
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Posted - 2007.12.20 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Yeah, Id also like to add capital weapons to all my broken amarr ships to solve the problem. Yeah I read the post and Im giving it as much thought as everyone else is giving thought about amarr problem solutions posted on the forums.
I'll take that as a no then. 
Regards.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.12.20 21:12:00 -
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The drone bay bonus is as useless as a bonus can be, tbh.
knowing CCP tho, they will just shrink the Eos's drone bay so you then need the bonus to function.
Originally by: Snuggly
It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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J Valkor
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.12.20 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shereza
Why? Is the absolution supposed to be a short-range heavy-bombardment ship that fails at that role due to border-line to outright useless bonuses?
That is not the role of the Eos, either.
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.12.20 21:24:00 -
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wow modules that cost what 50 mil a piece.
I know gal got hit by the bat especially hard this year (whether it may have been deserved or not) but you need to understand the fact that the eos was just brought fairly inline with the other races ships in its class.
if you still want a combat command get good at blaster skills and take the astarte out, its not half bad, and if you still want a small drone boat take out the ishtar, its actually pretty good
but asking for capital modules on a subcapital ship is going a bit far.
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Forty Three
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.20 21:28:00 -
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Amarr are fine.
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UNITY!!!
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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.12.20 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: J Valkor
Originally by: Shereza
Why? Is the absolution supposed to be a short-range heavy-bombardment ship that fails at that role due to border-line to outright useless bonuses?
That is not the role of the Eos, either.
True, but then I'm not suggesting the eos mount capital blasters.
I'm suggesting that the eos get, in a sense, +1 drone control/level while working within the confines of current mechanics and, in the process, imposing a heavy cost for people who want more tactical flexability with their drones.
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Malken
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.12.20 21:49:00 -
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the EOS is actually quite fine with only 5 guns.
i do fly a EOS and got good skills for it the only thing i dont like is the bandwith change, it needs more heavies as it is a Drone CS.
or swap the 5 heavy drone bay to the Astarte and give it just enough room to have and field 5 heavies and set the EOS guns up to 6 and limit it to a smaller drone bay that can hold max 5 small and 5 mediums with enough bandwith to field 5 meds.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.12.20 21:52:00 -
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wow modules that cost what 50 mil a piece.
41-42m in domain, but yeah, expensive.
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I know gal got hit by the bat especially hard this year (whether it may have been deserved or not) but you need to understand the fact that the eos was just brought fairly inline with the other races ships in its class.
if you still want a combat command get good at blaster skills and take the astarte out, its not half bad, and if you still want a small drone boat take out the ishtar, its actually pretty good
but asking for capital modules on a subcapital ship is going a bit far.
Maybe you should do the math first.
This isn't about DPS. In fact this idea would further reduce the eos' DPS if you were to put it into play.
At max (read that as EFT + All skills at 5) and eos with 7 DCUs would field 12 drones. With only 75mb of bandwidth that's 9 T2 hobs and 3 T2 hammerheads for a total of 273 dps. With 5 T2 rails using standard antimatter and 5 T2 hammerheads the eos can put out 329 dps.
Frankly, this idea is of more use to non-DPS drones than DPS drones.
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2007.12.20 22:21:00 -
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erm.... you know ccp limited ships to 5 drones each for a reason right?
that's ok then we can scrap the idea
p.s. 12 ecm drones will screw people over so bad it wouldn't be funny it wouldn't matter if you had low dps a couple of neuts on it with some guns and you'll break any tank eventually
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royal killer
Amarr
The Funkalistic
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.20 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shereza
Edited by: Shereza on 20/12/2007 21:01:42
A 99% role reduction in CPU cost of drone control units and a 19.95%/level reduction in grid cost of drone control units.
Get outta here......
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.20 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rhadamantine
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Yeah, Id also like to add capital weapons to all my broken amarr ships to solve the problem. Yeah I read the post and Im giving it as much thought as everyone else is giving thought about amarr problem solutions posted on the forums.
I'll take that as a no then.
Bingo.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.20 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Forty Three
Amarr are fine.
EOS is fine.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.20 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Shardrael
wow modules that cost what 50 mil a piece.
Thats an argument for letting it have capital mods fitted? It costs alot? Let me tell you this, there are craploads of people flying commandships that have mods on them for several hundred millions. I dont think 50mill is gonna stop people from fitting it. Failed argument.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.12.20 22:39:00 -
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Why go to all the trouble to creat all these weird bonuses, like fitting cap ship mods on a CS, when you can just change the ship bonus to something more simple, like +1 drone controlled per CS level?
IMO everything would be just fine if they replaced the 7x guns, removed the damage bonus from the guns, removed the drone bay bonus and gave it a static drone bay, a double active armor rep bonus, and a drone dps/hp bonus, and changed the slots back to 7/5/5. Maybe reduce the grid a bit so you can't fit 2x reps/7x neutrons w/o some major compromises with fitting mods.
Frankly I like the idea of a drone speed bonus (like +20% per level), so that it would make the Eos unique, and make it's drones have a bit more effective range (able to get to greater ranges faster).
As it stands, the Eos is a non-player in the PVP game until it's fixed.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.20 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Frankly I like the idea of a drone speed bonus (like +20% per level), so that it would make the Eos unique, and make it's drones have a bit more effective range (able to get to greater ranges faster).
As it stands, the Eos is a non-player in the PVP game until it's fixed.
Hmm so at cs lvl5 we gonna have warrior IIs flying around 12600m/s killing off every inty in its way with a push of a button? I think not.
Eos will be in good company outside th pvp game. Say hello to his new friends, apoc, omen, maller and prophecy
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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.12.20 22:56:00 -
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Why go to all the trouble to creat all these weird bonuses, like fitting cap ship mods on a CS, when you can just change the ship bonus to something more simple, like +1 drone controlled per CS level?
I already suggested something similar to that and the results were less than pleasing.
Then there's the fact that at +1/level the eos could toss out 10 drones with 5 guns and no drawback, aside from cramped bandwidth. The folks in charge of EVE have, for whatever reason, decided that the Eos needs to be less than it was so the smaller the boost or the boost having drawbacks to compensate would probably be much more palatable to the current design establishment.
Besides that, +1/level leaves me 2 drones short of sending out 12. ;-)
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.12.20 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 20/12/2007 23:25:19
ill never understand why people cannot accept that the Eos is not supposed to be another Astarte.
If you are close enough to the enemy to be hitting him with blasters in an Eos you either:
1. Screwed Up, and the enemy got the jump on you
2. Are doing it wrong. Astarte. Buy it.
thats really all there is to it. for crying out load just show info on a damnation if you dont understand. The Eos needs work to fit into its ACTUAL role, this is true. But its role is NOT to be a better Astarte then the Astarte.
AND if you are still confused as to why the nerf happened, just realize that prior to trinity, the Eos has SEVEN bonused guns, while the other 3 in this class had FIVE, and the Eos had 500% MORE drone bandwidth than the Damnation!! it was fricking stupid, tbh.
Eos needs to be a rail boat with an optimal range bonus (alothough this steps on the vulture too much) with a role bonus to use heavy logistics drones, BUT NOT 5x heavy drones.
and LOL at the guy who wants to give the Astart 5x heavy drones with no drawbacks. gallente pilots...amazes me sometimes.
Originally by: Snuggly
It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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Imaos
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Posted - 2007.12.20 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Rhadamantine
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Yeah, Id also like to add capital weapons to all my broken amarr ships to solve the problem. Yeah I read the post and Im giving it as much thought as everyone else is giving thought about amarr problem solutions posted on the forums.
I'll take that as a no then.
Bingo.
Just remember: It is a no issued by Lyria. So feel free to ignore. Unless it a boost to amarr like bandwidth for fighters on amarr bs should wont give even a might think about it.
Giving the Eos the ability to field more drones without increasing the bandwidth could give it more flexibility. And in no case could it field 12 drones. You need one level advanced interfacing per drone control unit. +1 drone per command ship skill would also be capped at 10 drones. With the reduced bandwidth it would still be bad in the command role. Every fitted DCU would also remove one gun/link you could have used before.
Imaos
PS: Crosstrained to amarr before MKII.
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Spenz
Gallente
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.12.21 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 20/12/2007 23:25:19
ill never understand why people cannot accept that the Eos is not supposed to be another Astarte.
If you are close enough to the enemy to be hitting him with blasters in an Eos you either:
1. Screwed Up, and the enemy got the jump on you
2. Are doing it wrong. Astarte. Buy it.
thats really all there is to it. for crying out load just show info on a damnation if you dont understand. The Eos needs work to fit into its ACTUAL role, this is true. But its role is NOT to be a better Astarte then the Astarte.
AND if you are still confused as to why the nerf happened, just realize that prior to trinity, the Eos has SEVEN bonused guns, while the other 3 in this class had FIVE, and the Eos had 500% MORE drone bandwidth than the Damnation!! it was fricking stupid, tbh.
Eos needs to be a rail boat with an optimal range bonus (alothough this steps on the vulture too much) with a role bonus to use heavy logistics drones, BUT NOT 5x heavy drones.
and LOL at the guy who wants to give the Astart 5x heavy drones with no drawbacks. gallente pilots...amazes me sometimes.
It ceases to amaze me that some people STILL don't understand why eos pilots are upset. Let me spell it out in very simple terms for the uneducated. THE. EOS. IS. (you following me?). A. TERRIBLE. FLEET. COMMAND. SHIP.
Must I repeat it? I think I will. THE. EOS. IS. A. TERRIBLE. FLEET. COMMAND. SHIP.
The ONLY thing the eos had going for it was its DPS. EVERYONE agreed that the DPS was out of line, but to not only nerf its DPS, but to nerf its ROLE when it was already subpar in that area to begin with..., one must think someone was on ***** when they did the nerfs.
Now, with its unique drone abilities all but dead, its warfare links nerfed, and NOTHING to show for it other than a 6th low slot (which ironically brings it closer to the Astarte which people seem to want to complain about) that doesn't change the sub-standard tanking ability of the eos, it is a ship left without a role.
Why use an eos for drones when you can use an ishtar, and why use it for FCS when ANY of the other command ships can do it MUCH better? Eos is dead. There is no reason to fly it. The only way to resurrect it is to completely restructure its role. After hitting it with a nerfbat FIVE times, I doubt CCP will even bother.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.21 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Spenz
Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 20/12/2007 23:25:19
ill never understand why people cannot accept that the Eos is not supposed to be another Astarte.
If you are close enough to the enemy to be hitting him with blasters in an Eos you either:
1. Screwed Up, and the enemy got the jump on you
2. Are doing it wrong. Astarte. Buy it.
thats really all there is to it. for crying out load just show info on a damnation if you dont understand. The Eos needs work to fit into its ACTUAL role, this is true. But its role is NOT to be a better Astarte then the Astarte.
AND if you are still confused as to why the nerf happened, just realize that prior to trinity, the Eos has SEVEN bonused guns, while the other 3 in this class had FIVE, and the Eos had 500% MORE drone bandwidth than the Damnation!! it was fricking stupid, tbh.
Eos needs to be a rail boat with an optimal range bonus (alothough this steps on the vulture too much) with a role bonus to use heavy logistics drones, BUT NOT 5x heavy drones.
and LOL at the guy who wants to give the Astart 5x heavy drones with no drawbacks. gallente pilots...amazes me sometimes.
It ceases to amaze me that some people STILL don't understand why eos pilots are upset. Let me spell it out in very simple terms for the uneducated. THE. EOS. IS. (you following me?). A. TERRIBLE. FLEET. COMMAND. SHIP.
Must I repeat it? I think I will. THE. EOS. IS. A. TERRIBLE. FLEET. COMMAND. SHIP.
The ONLY thing the eos had going for it was its DPS. EVERYONE agreed that the DPS was out of line, but to not only nerf its DPS, but to nerf its ROLE when it was already subpar in that area to begin with..., one must think someone was on ***** when they did the nerfs.
Now, with its unique drone abilities all but dead, its warfare links nerfed, and NOTHING to show for it other than a 6th low slot (which ironically brings it closer to the Astarte which people seem to want to complain about) that doesn't change the sub-standard tanking ability of the eos, it is a ship left without a role.
Why use an eos for drones when you can use an ishtar, and why use it for FCS when ANY of the other command ships can do it MUCH better? Eos is dead. There is no reason to fly it. The only way to resurrect it is to completely restructure its role. After hitting it with a nerfbat FIVE times, I doubt CCP will even bother.
Actually youre the one that is wrong. EOS pilots are complaining because they lost their overpowered ship. You are making this look like EOS pilots are complaining about the role and racial bonus of the EOS wich is not the case. Because if that had been the case there would have been equal amount of threads about how crappy eos is, as a fleet command BEFORE THE NERF.
No one complained. Everyone was happy with their solo pwn mobile. Now youre trying to play the sympathy card. Fail.
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Concordokken Plox
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Posted - 2007.12.21 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shereza
Edited by: Shereza on 20/12/2007 21:57:57
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7 DCUs would field 12 drones.
I did not know there were 7 levels to Advanced Drone Interfacing 
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Cambarus
Swordbruden Mining and Security Service Inc.
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2007.12.21 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Actually youre the one that is wrong. EOS pilots are complaining because they lost their overpowered ship. You are making this look like EOS pilots are complaining about the role and racial bonus of the EOS wich is not the case. Because if that had been the case there would have been equal amount of threads about how crappy eos is, as a fleet command BEFORE THE NERF.
No one complained. Everyone was happy with their solo pwn mobile. Now youre trying to play the sympathy card. And with the sympathy card you think you can get capital mods on eos so it can rule again with 10 ecm drones or 5 warrior IIs going 12600m/s like some of the proposals. FAIL..
1)The eos always sucked as a fleet command ship, the reason people didn't complain was that it had other uses.
2)I honestly think there would be no problem with giving it the ability to fit DCUs, it's only like giving other ships capital guns if you limit them to using the cap guns with medium ammo... a DCU on an astarte gives less damage then the blaster would,but allows the ship to maintain its niche, a role of it's own because let's face it: the eos just isn't useful as a bonus giving ship.
3)The people who think that the eos was fine before the nerf are idiots, but that does not make their arguments of the eos being underpowered now any less valid. You seem to think that because there are some amarr ships that have no use that it makes it ok. It doesn't. Especially when the ship in question is something as skill intensive as a command ship. Quite frankly complaining about the uselessness of a couple ships that take at most a week to train for, and using that as an argument concerning a ship that takes many months to train for is even worse then arguing that the Eostarte of the past was fine the way it was.
4)If this idea were to go through in order to field 10 ecm drones the eos would need to have less dps then a gank fit frigate,and as far as warrior IIs going 12km/s, they can already do that with the right ships, and realistically speaking the eos would then be no more useful for frig killing then a hughin.
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Suitonia
Gallente
interimo
The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.21 05:21:00 -
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How about a role bonus for -50% bandwidth for logistics drones, This would allow it to field 5 heavy rep drones without increasing it's dps, and would at least make it a bit better for gangs.
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