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Hanover Fists	Posted - 2007.12.20 23:53:00 - [1] why have torpedos been nerfed so bad?? 6sec flight time with 1500m/s flight time b4 skills? for those who cant add thats only 9000m
Battleclash	Posted - 2007.12.20 23:56:00 - [2] They....oh forget it...... Originally by: Vladimir Ilych Stupidity is universal.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.20 23:57:00 - [3] Check your Torpedo DPS. ---------------- Tarminic - 30 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.76.2
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.20 23:57:00 - [4] Originally by: Hanover Fists why have torpedos been nerfed so bad?? 6sec flight time with 1500m/s flight time b4 skills? for those who cant add thats only 9000m You spelt "buffed" wrong. B-U-F-F-E-D. Buffed.
Hanover Fists	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:02:00 - [5] what does the dps have to do with it, before skills it still says 450 damage, thats the same as it was, isnt it???
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:03:00 - [6] Originally by: Hanover Fists what does the dps have to do with it, before skills it still says 450 damage, thats the same as it was, isnt it??? Launchers. Check the launchers. ---------------- Tarminic - 30 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.76.2
Kushan	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:05:00 - [7] Launchers received a ROF increase. Now torps are a short-range PVP oriented weapon.
Hanover Fists Gallente The Black Pearl Inc. Alternative Realities	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:09:00 - [8] ok, so I must be dense, there is nothing changed except shorter flight time. I don't see any adjustments to the launchers except that it says its for against stations and battleships. but with maxed skills you will only get a 30KM max locking range. My God, It's full of stars!!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Hanover Fists ok, so I must be dense. Yar? ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Hanover Fists ok, so I must be dense, there is nothing changed except shorter flight time. I don't see any adjustments to the launchers except that it says its for against stations and battleships. but with maxed skills you will only get a 30KM max locking range. D P S What does the "P S" stand for...? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Yer Buddy	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:16:00 - [11] um, no, it's a nerf....what are you supposed to do with a raven and a 15km torpedo range. nano it and mwd toward your target? this nerf was intended to hinder ratting and mission running and complexes by lowering the isk-per hour. it sucks. so much for 0.0 ratting tripple 1.85 battleship spawns with a trusty torpedo raven.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:17:00 - [12] Torpedo DPS increased via ROF buff. Range decreased.
ry ry StateCorp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:18:00 - [13] CCP should filter 'nerf' with the word 'buff' and vice versa. these random complaints still wouldn't make much sense, but it'd be mildly ammusing to hear people endlessly demanding to see amarr nerfed. and stuff. *again.
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:18:00 - [14] Edited by: Larg Kellein on 21/12/2007 00:19:19 Originally by: Hanover Fists ok, so I must be dense... Quote: Quite. Look at the rate of fire on the launchers. Torps have now been brought in line with the other short range, high damage weapons. You spew more torps over less distance. They're now the huge rockets they're supposed to be. If you want range, use cruise missiles.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Yer Buddy um, no, it's a nerf....what are you supposed to do with a raven and a 15km torpedo range. nano it and mwd toward your target? What are you supposed to do with a Megathron with Blaster range, Nano it and mwd toward your target? Try adapting instead of whining. ---------------- Tarminic - 30 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.76.2
Hanover Fists Gallente The Black Pearl Inc. Alternative Realities	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:21:00 - [16] Thanks, I see the rof increase. My God, It's full of stars!!
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:21:00 - [17] this thread was just getting tasty Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Maraude Fury Minmatar Shadow Of The Light	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:22:00 - [18] Think of the difference between rockets and light missles. Light missles - long range, moderate speed, moderate damage, Low ROF Rockets - Short range, high speed, high damage, High ROF Now, for BS size weapons you have Cruise Missles - Long range, high speed, moderate damage, Low ROF Torps - Short range, Moderate speed, high damage, high ROF. They were changed to come more in line with the way other weapons work. Every races weapon system has 2 types, one short range and high damage, and one long range and low damage. Do Blasters, AC's, Pulses reach out to 100km? No. So why should Torps. that's not all the nitty gritty details, but that's the basis reasoning. Maraude Fury CEO: Shadow Of The Light .SOL. ]
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:24:00 - [19] Originally by: Yer Buddy um, no, it's a nerf....what are you supposed to do with a raven and a 15km torpedo range. nano it and mwd toward your target? Yes. Just like Blasterboats, ACboats and Pulseboats. Ravens are slow, but nothing is really THAT slow in this game. A Raven is the same speed as an Apocalypse, and faster than an Abaddon. Its even the same speed as a Maelstrom. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:35:00 - [20] plus you get far more than 15km with a decently skilled raven --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Caligulus Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:35:00 - [21] Edited by: Caligulus on 21/12/2007 00:36:09 Originally by: Patch86 Edited by: Patch86 on 21/12/2007 00:26:19 Originally by: Yer Buddy um, no, it's a nerf....what are you supposed to do with a raven and a 15km torpedo range. nano it and mwd toward your target? Yes. Just like Blasterboats, ACboats and Pulseboats. Ravens are slow, but nothing is really THAT slow in this game. A Raven is the same speed as an Apocalypse, and faster than an Abaddon. Its even the same speed as a Maelstrom. Its also worth pointing out that the passive speed mods (nanos, overdrives and such) are all low slots. Armour tankers have a much rougher time of squeezing in the speed then a shield tanker. True, but all Caldari ships are gimped at PvP thanks to MWDs, disruptors, webifiers being mid slot dependent. An armor tanker can still fit a full tank while a Caldari Raven will have to forgo 75% of a tank to compete. Now that being said, Caldari (according to the lore) are supposed to be militarily superior do to their obsession with military technology. It occurs to me that military of any sort never runs as a one man show. If your caldari you had best bring friends or go home now. ------------------------------------------------- ** Name ONE thing that your windows comp can do that my MAC cant ** Right click.
Iyachtu Achlysiel Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:40:00 - [22] Torps are seriously brutal now, and the range nerf really isn't such an issue in PvP. Raven gets its velocity bonus, increasing the range to 29.6km at maximum, and AC Typhoon will fight very close anyway. As for Raven's speed, sure it is a brick, but so is any plated armour tanker too. Even without speed mods, you can get it to about 1km/s, which is plenty enough. For PvE, it is a nerf, but well deserved one. Before, no ship really compared to torp Raven in 0.0 ratting and lvl 4 missions. It definitely wasn't a good thing that a single ship was simply the best. Now, Raven can still use cruises, and it's very good rat-killer when equipped with them, just not overpoweringly so. Yeah, definitely one of the best changes lately.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.21 00:53:00 - [23] Edited by: cal nereus on 21/12/2007 00:54:10 Its a buff. A torpedo buff. They've lost range, but now they do more damage. As it is, the Torp Raven does the most damage of any battleship in the game. It's a buff. The Torp Raven is for PvP, not PvE. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.12.21 01:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Yer Buddy um, no, it's a nerf....what are you supposed to do with a raven and a 15km torpedo range. nano it and mwd toward your target? this nerf was intended to hinder ratting and mission running and complexes by lowering the isk-per hour. it sucks. so much for 0.0 ratting tripple 1.85 battleship spawns with a trusty torpedo raven. Whine whine whine. I hit L4's just after the supposed 'nerf' where Ravens have been deemed useless now and I built a cruiseboat. I have 84km range and my missiles do just fine tanking down battleships. Hasn't slowed down my mission running one bit.
Yer Buddy	Posted - 2007.12.21 01:19:00 - [25] it is a torpedo NERF, people! you realistically can't take the raven into 0.0 ratting anymore. for pvp, you have to sacrifice all the 5 low slots (and your tank!) to nano it in order to get into range. even if you are within range, another tanked battleship will whipe you out before you can break his tank. you will need BS 5 and bombardment 5 to even have a chance with torps. that exlcudes, oh, i dont know, 95% of the raven pilots! and lets see what happens when you engage something within range. at 5 seconds RoF it will look silly to have all these huge explosions and not being able to hit an interceptor, for example.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.21 01:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Yer Buddy it is a torpedo NERF, people! you realistically can't take the raven into 0.0 ratting anymore. for pvp, you have to sacrifice all the 5 low slots (and your tank!) to nano it in order to get into range. even if you are within range, another tanked battleship will whipe you out before you can break his tank. you will need BS 5 and bombardment 5 to even have a chance with torps. that exlcudes, oh, i dont know, 95% of the raven pilots! and lets see what happens when you engage something within range. at 5 seconds RoF it will look silly to have all these huge explosions and not being able to hit an interceptor, for example. Makes me wonder how those blastermega pilots survive,,, CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Yer Buddy	Posted - 2007.12.21 01:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Yer Buddy um, no, it's a nerf....what are you supposed to do with a raven and a 15km torpedo range. nano it and mwd toward your target? this nerf was intended to hinder ratting and mission running and complexes by lowering the isk-per hour. it sucks. so much for 0.0 ratting tripple 1.85 battleship spawns with a trusty torpedo raven. Whine whine whine. I hit L4's just after the supposed 'nerf' where Ravens have been deemed useless now and I built a cruiseboat. I have 84km range and my missiles do just fine tanking down battleships. Hasn't slowed down my mission running one bit. what? whine? son, don't tell me it has not slowed you down because doing level 2, 3, and 4 missions is chump change compared to chain ratting tripple 1.85m battleship spawns...especially in isk per hour.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.12.21 01:27:00 - [28] Torps aren't nerfed, just players.
Incantare Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.12.21 01:30:00 - [29] Torp... change.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.21 01:33:00 - [30] Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 21/12/2007 01:33:10 looks like Yer is loading the torp into the wrong "launcher" Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."

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