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Vjorn Angannon
Fleet Escort Services
12
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Posted - 2012.02.06 14:14:00 -
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I have been living in w-space now for well over 2 years, currently in a C3, and have just seen something that is giving me a WTF happened moment.
Earlier today our D845 HS static exited to Kaimon. Did a bunch of trips buying/selling, scanned for rabbit holes, etc.
I logged on at about 1300, did some POS maintenance/PI stuff, and then hopped into an indi to go to Jita for more stuffs. Set up security at all entries inside our system, and take my hauler alt outside. Lo and behold!!! I'm in Gallente space, a few systems from Dodixie??????
Ok, obvious answer is someone collapsed old HS and scanned new entry, right? And then didn't update our MOTD.
Except that only one other corp member was on after I had logged off earlier today....and right before DT, he had inserted himself into one of the rabbit wholes in Kaimon. Also, it was the Kaimon corp location that I had just warped to, and ended up in Gal-space.
CCP, did something happen during DT that changed the outbound location????
Inquiring minds wanna know 
Edit: I do know what time the original exit is supposed to close and will be watching for it. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
321
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:02:00 -
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Vjorn Angannon wrote:I have been living in w-space now for well over 2 years, currently in a C3, and have just seen something that is giving me a WTF happened moment. Earlier today our D845 HS static exited to Kaimon. Did a bunch of trips buying/selling, scanned for rabbit holes, etc. I logged on at about 1300, did some POS maintenance/PI stuff, and then hopped into an indi to go to Jita for more stuffs. Set up security at all entries inside our system, and take my hauler alt outside. Lo and behold!!! I'm in Gallente space, a few systems from Dodixie?????? Ok, obvious answer is someone collapsed old HS and scanned new entry, right? And then didn't update our MOTD. Except that only one other corp member was on after I had logged off earlier today....and right before DT, he had inserted himself into one of the rabbit wholes in Kaimon. Also, it was the Kaimon corp location that I had just warped to, and ended up in Gal-space. CCP, did something happen during DT that changed the outbound location???? Inquiring minds wanna know Edit: I do know what time the original exit is supposed to close and will be watching for it.
Wormholes are unstable. We're just glad it didn't put you inside a star. Count your blessings and move along... 
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Tarkoauc
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:04:00 -
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and you really think this is worth a post in "EVE General Discussion"?
I am sure CCP singled you out to **** with. Just like God has been hiding dinosaur fossils to **** with Evolutionists when everyone knows the world is only 6000 years old ;) |
Tanaka Aiko
ICE is Coming to EVE
Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:14:00 -
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so you're saying the destination of your wormhole changed during downtime, but it was at the same location as the BM was still working ?
so either there was a bug, either a new WH opened just at the same place the previous one was before ? |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
70
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:14:00 -
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Tarkoauc wrote:and you really think this is worth a post in "EVE General Discussion"?
I am sure CCP singled you out to **** with. Just like God has been hiding dinosaur fossils to **** with Evolutionists when everyone knows the world is only 6000 years old ;) Sure, why not post this experience up for folks to read and review? People post far worse **** in here compared to OP.
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Messoroz
AQUILA INC
0ccupational Hazzard
150
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:14:00 -
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Had 4 H296s spawn in a c5, the server crashed ~ 10 minutes later. |
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:37:00 -
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Several players have reported wormholes doing strange things since the last patch. According to CCP none of the code has changed. I would confirm and file a bug report (they would like to get them the day something happens).
I suspect issues are more widespread but a lot of people simply shrug when a WH does strange things and think that it is intended. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
0ccupational Hazzard
150
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Posted - 2012.02.06 17:06:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:Several players have reported wormholes doing strange things since the last patch. According to CCP none of the code has changed. I would confirm and file a bug report (they would like to get them the day something happens).
I suspect issues are more widespread but a lot of people simply shrug when a WH does strange things and think that it is intended.
The problem with filing bug reports for anything wspace related is they will always be closed by bug hunters without being looked at. It's why the hilarious AHARM + RNK exploiting occured at one point. The bug hunters are inept and also it's really hard for them to reproduce anything in wspace that requires random wormhole spawning or multiple people to anything. |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:40:00 -
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FYI, something similar happened to me a while ago, after Incarna but before Crucible.
The static was on its way out, "reaching the end of its lifetime", when I logged for the night which was an hour or two before DT. The following morning the static was exactly where the dying one was, nice and fresh, and leading to a different system.
Also, the plural of anecdote isn't data, but I'll say that I've noticed more weird wormhole behavior since Crucible. There was a period of a couple weeks when I had anywhere from 2 to 4 Z142's (not the static, my system is a C5) every single day, and since then I get them a LOT more often than I did before Crucible. Every one of them has the "has not yet begun its lifecycle" type message upon warping to. This is likely just a weird coincidence though, and an obnoxious one since while scanning it's not possible to tell if I have 4 Z142's or 4 K162's without actually checking out the signatures by warping on grid with them. I also seem to get more 24-hour wormholes than before that have the "has not yet begun its life cycle" message, which may point to an increase in seeing wormholes with noticeable deviations in their lifespan, or might just be something random on my end.
-shrug- the joy of wormhole space is worth every nuisance that arises from their nature. as long as these nuisances aren't caused by bugs, but yeah, lol @ reporting wormhole bugs. Tried that, nothing. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
340
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Posted - 2012.02.06 21:08:00 -
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For those of us who don't live in wormholes, what's a rabbit hole?
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Dark Drifter
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:22:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:For those of us who don't live in wormholes, what's a rabbit hole?
a hole in which a rabbit lives i believe. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
253
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:25:00 -
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A rabbit hole aslo stands for a symbolic hole that if you go down it, things start to get really wierd and crazy, but at the end of it your suppose to make sense of things better.
Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
Locked. |
Vjorn Angannon
Fleet Escort Services
Exotic Matter Coalition
12
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:29:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:For those of us who don't live in wormholes, what's a rabbit hole?
Ever gone chasing rabbits and they run to their burrows and hide :)
It's what we in Fleet call a w-space system filled with carebears. (Tho tbh, we ended up being the rabbits for a while a few days ago.....darned Ducks )
As far as bug reporting this.....all I have at this point is conjecture and circumstantial evidence, hence I haven't reported it. Also why I brought it to General 
Additional info; this particular D845 is now approximately 27 hours old and still not EOL, still in same spot I scanned 27 hours ago, same bookmarks and tacs.....but a different outbound location after DT. I have talked to all corp members logged on at that time and verbally confirmed that no one in corp collapsed or scanned new D845 in past 27 hours.
At this point, I'm just chalking it up to a database glitch upon reboot, but I posted to see if anyone else had same experiences.
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
32
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:35:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:For those of us who don't live in wormholes, what's a rabbit hole?
A rabbit hole is basically an underground maze of intersecting tunnels and exits; W-space is basically an interstellar maze of intersecting (and constantly changing) tunnels and exits.
This is partly why it is pretty common for a wormhole, or series of wormholes, to be referred to as a 'rabbit hole'.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Psychotic Tendencies.
944
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:53:00 -
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So what are rabbit wholes then?  |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
1028
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Posted - 2012.02.06 23:06:00 -
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Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:Tarkoauc wrote:and you really think this is worth a post in "EVE General Discussion"?
I am sure CCP singled you out to **** with. Just like God has been hiding dinosaur fossils to **** with Evolutionists when everyone knows the world is only 6000 years old ;) Sure, why not post this experience up for folks to read and review? People post far worse **** in here compared to OP.
No ****...this is actually rather interesting unlike the usual crap that is posted on here.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
32
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Posted - 2012.02.06 23:11:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:So what are rabbit wholes then?
Whole rabbits, ie. Rabbits that are not in several pieces.
Not sure why one of the OP's corpmates was inside one though
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Swidgen
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.06 23:22:00 -
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Vjorn Angannon wrote:At this point, I'm just chalking it up to a database glitch upon reboot, but I posted to see if anyone else had same experiences.
I noticed a similar thing on the test server a few weeks ago. Not sure if it happened during a DT or when the static was supposed to de-spawn, but there was a new static wh to a different place in the exact same location as the old one. It happened more than once over the course of a week, but it didn't happen all the time. Since wormholes on sisi get even less love than on TQ, I chalked it up to test code running on the server and never filed a bug report on it. There is a bug in the wh spawn/de-spawn code somewhere, that's clear. CCP has been notoriously silent on exactly how wormholes are supposed to work, which makes it very hard to know if something is working as intended or not (see recent discussions on mass-limit variance for example). IMO "wormholes are supposed to be weird and unpredictable" is a convenient excuse for CCP to cover up a lot of problems in their wormhole coding. |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
45
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Posted - 2012.02.07 00:32:00 -
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Tarkoauc wrote:Just like God has been hiding dinosaur fossils to **** with Evolutionists when everyone knows the world is only 6000 years old ;)
Well if you accept an all-powerful creater who made us in his image, it's not unreasonable to assume he would troll us. |
Brock Nelson
330
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Posted - 2012.02.07 00:58:00 -
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I wish I fell in a rabbit hole after reading OP twice
I'm a isk *****, bitches love isk |
Harlequin Sweetlips
Emergent Entity
KONZERN
7
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Posted - 2012.02.07 01:36:00 -
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This happened to me too a few weeks ago. Before DT, a hole from a C6 into a C5 was in end of life phase. I knew where it went, as we'd been using it as part of an exit route.
Then DT happened. After DT, I went for a look to see if it was still there or died yet - and it appeared to have regressed back to mid-life phase. Curious, I jumped through to find myself in a totally different system. It was a new hole in the exact same location as the old one. The same BM as before took me right to it.
I have no explanation for this but I reckon it is what happened to you too. |
Jem Orebreaker
The Golden Koo Koo Roos
1
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Posted - 2012.02.07 18:29:00 -
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wormholes have been screwey since the second patch of the latest expansion. We do a TON of static rolling and have seen all manner of oddities occur.
Im the main hole roller for our tiny guild so i cycle our static on average 3-5 times a day. Ive seen fresh wormholes open that close with less than half the mass. Half the time. Weve seen while cycling wormholes, one of the previous statics re-open (same book mark same destination exactly) that we had closed earlier in the session. Our statics also seem to be going to the same system MUCH more frequently.
In a couple of channels, among other things, its been theorized that they messed up the "mass/time can very on wormholes" calculation somehow. But its been screwey, and a little harrowing sometimes moving ships through dangerous grounds after a wh collapses prematurely. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
515
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Posted - 2012.02.07 18:31:00 -
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Tarkoauc wrote:and you really think this is worth a post in "EVE General Discussion"?
I am sure CCP singled you out to **** with. Just like God has been hiding dinosaur fossils to **** with Evolutionists when everyone knows the world is only 6000 years old ;)
Your contribution on the other hand [/sarcasm]Marvelous[/sarcasm]
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The Blind Watchmaker
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:57:00 -
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ARISE DEAD THREAD! ARISE! |
Failccpfails
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 19:11:00 -
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WAIT WHAT EVE IS BROKEN?! NO WAY!
O wait normal **** nothing to see here move along.
CCP does not need to change any WH code... eve is nothing but a pile of ****, toss in anything else and you can break something... the code is nothing but patches on patches...
TBH I am shocked it still works. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
169
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:26:00 -
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I thought that, no matter what, WH are 'working as intended'?
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How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 21:05:00 -
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OP stated several times he checked that no one in corp scanned down new WH and replaced the BM...
Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out it WAS someone in corp trying to make the OP think he was going crazy?
You know, like in that movie?
... with that guy?
Oh GD...I posted to a necro-thread
"The next time airport security tells you to put your hands over your head and hold that vulnerable position for seven seconds, ask yourself: Is this the posture of a free man?" |
Jonah Gravenstein
135
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Posted - 2012.04.13 21:05:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:I thought that, no matter what, WH are 'working as intended'?
pretty much this, wormholes are meant to have screwed up physics and whatnot, they exist outside of the normal space time malarky.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
52
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Posted - 2012.04.13 21:08:00 -
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New WHs appearing in the same spot as the old WH has been around for ages. |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
108
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Posted - 2012.04.14 02:24:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:Several players have reported wormholes doing strange things since the last patch. According to CCP none of the code has changed. I would confirm and file a bug report (they would like to get them the day something happens).
I suspect issues are more widespread but a lot of people simply shrug when a WH does strange things and think that it is intended. If this is the same CCP that repeatedly re-introduces old bugs and breaks previously-working features due to either very poor code version control or developmentally-challenged regression testing, then it isn't unreasonable to be skeptical of their claims.
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