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gahazord huffengaf	Posted - 2007.12.23 03:45:00 - [1] i do not understand this concept. please explain.
RogueWing Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.23 03:49:00 - [2] The outside actually spins faster. If you were to unroll the frisbee into a straight line, then the "outside" line would be longer than the "inside" line. They both spin for the same amount of time. But, since the outside covers further territory than the inside does in the same amount of time, then it must be traveling faster. If goons are giving you "respect" on CAOD, you pretty much know what you just did was a pile of .
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.23 05:28:00 - [3] 42.
Tallen Zek	Posted - 2007.12.23 05:56:00 - [4] wow nice reply RogueWing, vary detailed.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2007.12.23 12:09:00 - [5] It doesn't. The inside spins at exactly the same angular velocity as te outside. If you're talking about transversal velocity (which would be silly), then the outside would be moving faster than the inside. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.23 12:26:00 - [6] Do we have "transversal velocity" in real life? Or were you just using a term we already "understand"? If pressed, I would have called it "tangential velocity". ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Psycho John Petrucci If there's any point where you feel it's too difficult, then just stop. Because you just, you don't have it, you're just not good.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.23 12:36:00 - [7] Because it is circular. - DesuSigs
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.23 12:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Crumplecorn Because it is circular. You... asked for it: Ever notice when ducks are flying together in V formation, sometimes one side of the V is longer than the other? Know why that is? ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Psycho John Petrucci If there's any point where you feel it's too difficult, then just stop. Because you just, you don't have it, you're just not good.
Gladiator Jonny Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:03:00 - [9] Originally by: Sister Impotentata Originally by: Crumplecorn Because it is circular. You... asked for it: Ever notice when ducks are flying together in V formation, sometimes one side of the V is longer than the other? Know why that is? Because one duck got drunk and passed out, leaving one side without a duck?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Sister Impotentata Originally by: Crumplecorn Because it is circular. You... asked for it: Ever notice when ducks are flying together in V formation, sometimes one side of the V is longer than the other? Know why that is? Because they are ducks, and thus cannot count. - DesuSigs
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Gladiator Jonny Because one duck got drunk and passed out, leaving one side without a duck? Ducks don't pass out. Those duckers can drink like the **ens. But basically, yes. "One side has more ducks." ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by:** Psycho John Petrucci If there's any point where you feel it's too difficult, then just stop. Because you just, you don't have it, you're just not good.
Gyfrex Minmatar Defile.	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:26:00 - [12] I always thought it was because someone shot down some of the ducks on one side and so they were retreating from their attack run, silly formation to use to be fair but still!. Anyway to the OP: The inside spinning faster is just a trick of the eye, as others have said the outside is moving faster. ---
Karma Gallente Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Sister Impotentata Ducks don't pass out. Those duckers can drink like the ****ens. But basically, yes. "One side has more ducks." it could potentially also be because the distance between the ducks in the longer side is bigger.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:30:00 - [14] Or perhaps the ducks on the shorter side are smaller. I'll be disappointed if someone doesn't drag relativity into this. I won't do it, because I don't like to hog all the fun. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Psycho John Petrucci If there's any point where you feel it's too difficult, then just stop. Because you just, you don't have it, you're just not good.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.12.23 13:30:00 - [15] i'm having duck for dinner christmas eve, mb that's the one that's missing in the v formation
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2007.12.23 15:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Sister Impotentata Do we have "transversal velocity" in real life? Or were you just using a term we already "understand"? If pressed, I would have called it "tangential velocity". Moot point really, the two terms mean exactly the same thing. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Victor Ivanov Minmatar The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.23 15:56:00 - [17] Little known fact about ducks: Due to their hollowed bone structure as well as their reality warping squawking noise, gravity does not actually pull a duck downwards. No, as scientists have observed, a duck's gravitational pull is actually angular in a direction inversely relative to its mass. Thus, the position of any arbitrary duck on the space time continuum plane (Imagine a large rubber blanket with dents relative to the mass of the objects) is slightly to the side of where it should be. This obviously makes whatever embodiment of deified omnipotence you believe in extremely vexed, thus the ducks, far more intelligent than they are usually given credit for, have compensated for this by flying in unsymmetrical formations. This also explains a duck's waddling. ----------------------
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Victor Ivanov Little known fact about ducks: Due to their hollowed bone structure as well as their reality warping squawking noise, gravity does not actually pull a duck downwards. No, as scientists have observed, a duck's gravitational pull is actually angular in a direction inversely relative to its mass. Thus, the position of any arbitrary duck on the space time continuum plane (Imagine a large rubber blanket with dents relative to the mass of the objects) is slightly to the side of where it should be. This obviously makes whatever embodiment of deified omnipotence you believe in extremely vexed, thus the ducks, far more intelligent than they are usually given credit for, have compensated for this by flying in unsymmetrical formations. This also explains a duck's waddling. We will debate anything on these forums! I would have to go with because ducks try to travel in even numbers so therefore, there is always going to be one leg of the v that is shorter. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Karma Gallente Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:16:00 - [19] if they were smart, they'd travel in single file, to hide their numbers.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:37:00 - [20] Originally by: Karma if they were smart, they'd travel in single file, to hide their numbers. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:45:00 - [21] Thye fly in a V because the distortion in wind behind a duck will disrupt any other ducks that will fly behind thus a V means they dont get diry air or whatever you call it. But the reason why some are more on one side than the other is due to Farmer George and his 12 bore. -------- The Derek Quote Pyramid
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.23 16:48:00 - [22] Originally by: Araxmas Thye fly in a V because the distortion in wind behind a duck will disrupt any other ducks that will fly behind thus a V means they dont get diry air or whatever you call it. But the reason why some are more on one side than the other is due to Farmer George and his 12 bore. For what it's worth, the ducks on the ends are doing the most work. The one up front is almost getting a free ride. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Psycho John Petrucci If there's any point where you feel it's too difficult, then just stop. Because you just, you don't have it, you're just not good.
Avery Fatwallet	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:07:00 - [23] i always thought birds flying in v formation is an aerodynamic thing. just like a team of bicycle racers. and if one side has more than the other, it probably has something to do with the direction of the wind, no? i never spend much time thinking about it, i just assumed thats the most logical explanation...
Max Nero Endless Fury	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:21:00 - [24] But will it blend? Originally by: Niklo Game to become is more and more similar to prison for not aggressive people.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:51:00 - [25] Originally by: Avery Fatwallet i always thought birds flying in v formation is an aerodynamic thing. just like a team of bicycle racers. and if one side has more than the other, it probably has something to do with the direction of the wind, no? i never spend much time thinking about it, i just assumed thats the most logical explanation... You've already spent too much time thinking about it . It was a -type joke and I made the mistake of not giving the punchline right away, which opened it up to Serious OT Contemplation. Once more, for clarity: Ever notice when ducks are flying together in V formation, sometimes one side of the V is longer than the other? Know why that is? Because there's more ducks on that side. Now you and groan, and ask me never to do that again. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Psycho John Petrucci If there's any point where you feel it's too difficult, then just stop. Because you just, you don't have it, you're just not good.
Avery Fatwallet	Posted - 2007.12.23 19:12:00 - [26] no, now i get it, and i find it very funny :) im not very concentrated atm. i had to work with vista an hour ago. anyways... is my v-flight assumption correct, in rl?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.23 19:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Karma if they were smart, they'd travel in single file, to hide their numbers. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.23 19:29:00 - [28] Originally by: Avery Fatwallet is my v-flight assumption correct, in rl? Don't really know exactly. Alls I know is that the bird up front rides the bow wave of the bird behind it, like dolphins riding a ship's bow wave. No idea how you would adjust the technique to account for wind. If I had to speculate, I'd say that on a broad reach (wind from a rear quarter), I think you might want more birds on the windward side. Birds to leeward would tend to have their bow waves blown away from the formation, while those to windward, the bow wave would blow right up the forward birds arse. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Psycho John Petrucci If there's any point where you feel it's too difficult, then just stop. Because you just, you don't have it, you're just not good.
Motokko	Posted - 2007.12.23 19:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Sister Impotentata Originally by: Avery Fatwallet is my v-flight assumption correct, in rl? Don't really know exactly. Alls I know is that the bird up front rides the bow wave of the bird behind it, like dolphins riding a ship's bow wave. No idea how you would adjust the technique to account for wind. If I had to speculate, I'd say that on a broad reach (wind from a rear quarter), I think you might want more birds on the windward side. Birds to leeward would tend to have their bow waves blown away from the formation, while those to windward, the bow wave would blow right up the forward birds arse. I dont think there's that much too it. Simply, every so often the bird at the front will fly to one of the ends to give another bird a break at the front. This is how they can keep flying for so long since they all help each other out. This behaviour however isn't the result of active team co-operation and communication, its just a built in instinct that has developed over time. When the bird at the front decides its time to give someone else a go it just picks left or right indiscriminently. Therefore the v is likely to deviate from symmetry but statistically never that far. I'm sure if you were to observe birds flying in formation in the same winds you'd see formations distorted in each direction
Jaerl Caldari	Posted - 2007.12.23 21:16:00 - [30] You know, I think this has deviated somewhat from the OP's original subject. From frisbees to the finer points of aviation formations of ducks isn't really a great comparison... The way I see it - Point A (near the centre) and Point B (near the edge) both have the same angular velocity, hertz, or rotations around the same point (centre) in a certain amount of time. Speaking of terms of actual distance travelled, Point B has travelled much further in the same amount of time, so Point B travels faster. For example (a non-duck related one, a good one...) it's very much the same with the gears of a bicycle. Higher gear (small size, 'A') is less pedal energy input for more tyrespin output (bigger tyres than gears, 'B'). I can't honestly see how the inside of a frisbee would be travelling faster than the outside, unless you're seeing it from some strange extra-dimensional perspective.

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